What kind of dog should I get?

bratok

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Here is a small description of the environment and expectations that I have.

I live in the house and we have a fenced yard, but I don't think that
dog will live outside. I have 3 cats, who have never lived with the
dog and I am sure that they will really hate it in the beginning. The
house has a finished basement and that is where I will have some space
available for the dog when I am not at home. I will be fine if dog
spends time outside, but I am not sure my wife will ever agree to that.

I have never had a dog in my life. I work from 9. I think I can spend
30 minutes to walk a dog every evening, when I come from work. I will
be able to take time for dog obidience class.

I think I will like smart dogs such as Labrador Retriever and Doberman
Pincher. I am looking for dogs which require little maintenance when
it comes to their coats. It is likely to be a dog from a rescue
organization, since that is what my wife wants to do. I don't want to
get a dog affraied of everybody and that is what I expect to see at the
rescue. At the same time I am not sure I will be able to handle
dominant or agressive dog since I have no experience.

Although it seems silly, I like Doberman Pincher, because of its
defense abilities and his look. I definetly don't want to have vicious
dog, since I am sure I will not be able to handle it.

It is not going to be a puppy. It is either going to be a yong or an
adult dog. Is it really difficult to train an adult dog?

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HOWEDY bratok,

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums. I'm Jerry Howe, The Amazing Puppy
Wizard <{); ~ ) >

A word of CAUTION: DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

bratok wrote:
> Here is a small description of the
> environment and expectations that I have.

From: "It's Only Alimentary, Dear Watson" <PerryS...@Animail.Net>

Date: 16 Jul 2005 18:22:35 -0700

Subject:

The SCIENTIFIC METHOD -
HOWE Genetics, Pryor EXXXPERIENCE And Environment
Effect Behavior

Aug 2, 2004 15:05:17

HOWEDY People,

Here's a DISS-CUSSION abHOWET HOWE
to ANAL-WIZE and DISCREDIT the DHOWEBLE
TALK of traditional behaviorISTS:

Nevyn says: can u help me with a animal behaviors paper?
"Describe how Genetics, previous experience and present
environment can influence an individuals behaviour"

Jerry says:

That's a tough question

Jerry says:

The only effective way to address a tough question
is to ANAL-WIZE it and DISCREDIT THE QUESTION
and RESTATE IT CORRECTLY AS A SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Jerry says:

1) genetics ONLY PREDISPOSES an individual
to gentic propensities

2) pryor EXXXPERIENCE is EZily rehabilitated using
effective behavior modification techniques on accHOWENT
of "ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

3) ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT, PREDICTABLE and
REPEATABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY,
if you know HOWE.

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not
Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Jerry says:

EZ, hunh?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

> I live in the house and we have a fenced yard,

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting
a modular home here within the next few years... put more
fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play
bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....

~misty

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given you a bum
steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of losing their careers
and reputations.... Jerry.

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping
my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

=====================

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

--------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12208-3BB...@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

Hi Cathy! Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person.. I post in
misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes( not
lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the neighborhood
with my neighbors 2 male dogs. An e-fence couldn't keep them home,
chains pulled up and Peach could jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped down my
throat. Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it hit home hard
that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry treats
some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_) a way to
teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break will mean
she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever come home...like
her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started applying
Jerry's methods. One time of "bad slipper!" and she never chewed
another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems needing
solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative lnks. I just
feel that my limited experience precludes me from jumping in every
thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me. We would have to set up a
time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only have 1 phone line.

~misty

> but I don't think that dog will live outside.

CONtraWIZE to pupular opinion of the mentally ill
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards you're askin
for advice, your dog can be HAPPY whether he's
livin inside or HOWET of your HOWES. Dogs is
ANIMALS. They was BUILT to LIVE HOWEtside <{); ~ ) >

> I have 3 cats,

Kats an dogs go together like a child and paddle.

> who have never lived with the dog and I am sure
> that they will really hate it in the beginning.

It took The Amazing Puppy Wizard WON WEEK to train
a kat aggressive 6 y.o. Dane to LOVE HIS new kitty.
LikeWIZE it took The Amazing Puppy Wizard WON WEEK
to train a FRAIDY KAT to LOVE HIS (a different dog
an kat) Great Dane who'd NEVER KNOWN a kat in person.

> The house has a finished basement and that is where
> I will have some space available for the dog when
> I am not at home.

Your dog should have free roam of his HOWES to PROTECT it.

> I will be fine if dog spends time outside, but I
> am not sure my wife will ever agree to that.

Seems you DON'T WANT a HOWES dog?

> I have never had a dog in my life.

Oh? You'll LOVE havin a dog if you learn HOWE
to pupperly handle them, bratok.

> I work from 9. I think I can spend 30 minutes to
> walk a dog every evening, when I come from work.

Your dog won't need any more than that.

> I will be able to take time for dog obidience class.

THAT will be the BIGGEST mistake of your life, bratok.

> I think I will like smart dogs such as Labrador Retriever
> and Doberman Pincher. I am looking for dogs which require
> little maintenance when it comes to their coats.

Then forget abHOWET the Lab.

> It is likely to be a dog from a rescue organization,

FORGET abHOWET so called RESCUE organizations,
they're the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
frauds who perpetuate breed specific paranoia
and legislation. We got PLENTY of them postin
here abHOWETS. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE.

> since that is what my wife wants to do.

We'll WIZE her up pryor to gettin your dog.

> I don't want to get a dog affraied of everybody
> and that is what I expect to see at the rescue.

No. What you'll find at "RESCUES" are dogs who've
been DISADVANTAGED by their former owners by the
frauds who CAN'T TEACH THEM HOWE to rehabilitate
their behavior problems and TAKE their dogs FOR
A WEE BIT OF MONEY and SELL THEM to SUCKERS who
can DEAL with those problems which could be trained
EZ GENTLY FAST and FOR FREE to boot, was they to
LEARN HOWE to pupperly handle and train dogs
INSTEAD OF MAKIN MONEY off of playing musical
dogs.

> At the same time I am not sure I will be able to handle
> dominant or agressive dog since I have no experience.

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> Although it seems silly, I like Doberman Pincher,

LikeWIZE.

> because of its defense abilities

For THAT The Amazing Puppy Wizard prefers English Mastiffs <{); ~ ) >

> and his look.

For THAT The Amazing Puppy Wizard prefers Great Danes <{);~ ) >

> I definetly don't want to have vicious dog,

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

> since I am sure I will not be able to handle it.

Pupperly handling and training ANY dog is EZier
than tending your garden or basic computing.

Here's ALL the INFORMATION YOU NEED:

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> It is not going to be a puppy.

Could be IF you WANTED it to be...

> It is either going to be a yong or an adult dog.

Then go to a pubic P-HOWEND and SAVE a LIFE.

> Is it really difficult to train an adult dog?

NOPE. IT'S EZ if you know HOWE.

Here's ALL the INFORMATION YOU NEED:

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HOWEDY Lisa,

Lisa wrote:
> Hi group,

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums. I'm Jerry Howe, The Amazing Puppy
Wizard <{); ~ ) >

Here's your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual:

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> I'm looking for the right type of breed to fit my family.

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.

> I'm in an apartment right now but plan to move to a home
> with a garden. I won't be getting the dog until then, and
> now I'm researching.

A WIZE idea. HOWEver, UNFORTUNATELY you AIN'T gonna be
gettin no doGdameneD INFORMATION from these lying dog
abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic long term
incurable mental cases you're askin here abHOWETS.

> I have two children at home, one two, one thirteen.

Parents FEAR and HATE The Amazing Puppy Wizard even
more than the lying dog abusing punk thug coward active
acute chronic long term incurable mental cases and
professional domestic puppy dog trainers and university
trained behaviorists whom The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Forums <{); ~ ) >

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

PERHAPS you HADN'T NOTICED?

> I expect the youngest child to be below ten
> years old when I get the dog.

That's IRRELEVENT.

> The traits I'm looking for are these:
>
> -medium to low energy (would be content with going
> out for pee-poo walks + one play walk per day)

THAT'S IRRELEVENT:

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not
Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

> -calm if possible (doesn't climb the walls or rip
> stuff up if I'm not paying it constant attention)

THAT'S IRRELEVENT:

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

"Hoku Beltz" <h...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10...@twister.socal.rr.com...

Aloha Sunny,

Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.

I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes
as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.

I went the training route first, and still had problems until I
found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.

Good luck,

Hoku

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

====================

> -not a yapper (please)

There AIN'T NO SUCH THING:

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?

"With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
--John Galsworthy.

Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
our words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Barking is a SYMPTOM of anXXXIHOWESNESS, not a BREED TRAIT:

Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry
and have spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for
one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.

Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!

=====================

> -not aggressive with children, strangers or other dogs,

ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING:

"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.

Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.

His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!

> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.

Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.

You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.

<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>

Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida

-----------------------

"Zack Pellers" <ZackPell...@GUESSWHERE.cc>
wrote in message

dlin...@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
697700b8.0405202039.5c737...@posting.google.com:

Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.

Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com

You can start by downloading the free training
manual available on the site above. I used it on
my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.

When I first brought him home from rescue, he
was similar to the way you decribed your dog.
After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
was cured within 72 hours.

-Jack

Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@corp.supernews.com

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)

Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: m...@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227

> doesn't have to be a guard dog

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

> -wouldn't mind co-existing with children (I wouldn't
> let the children abuse or over-excite it, it would be
> treated with the proper care, love and respect)

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"I Got To Tell You His Amazing Progress Almost
Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive
Training To The Next Level And Should Really
Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves
Trainers," Kay Pierce, Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

From: BNTDO...@aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always

Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was diagnosed
aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by my side where
he belongs.

Thank you so much.

Kay

===================

> -would be an only pet

THAT'S IRRELEVENT. PROTECTION is a NORMAL NATURAL
INNATE INSTINCTIVE PACK behavior, not a DIS-EASE.

> -*not difficult to housebreak*

HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.
ONLY a professional dog trainer or university
trained behaviorist could CONfHOWEND Nature's
PERFECT HOWEsbreakin Plan.

> (are there any breeds like this?)

"JoeTheGuru" <joetheg...@hotmail.com.NOSPAM wrote in message

JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!!

or it could be a troll <are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....

would you use it on your best friend.....

I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of it and now.

I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.<great dane X mastiff

I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.

I have a dog that comes when ever I call.

I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs away.

I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.

I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.

I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it

I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some ones there.

I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park <only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training the dog
spending the time with the dog.

jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train
them.

I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog> so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.

the dog I have now was when I picked her up from
the RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead <no idea.
cowered from every noise <and wet her self, messed
in the house at every turn. acted like I was killing her
when I dragged her over to the mess.

this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten
<2.5 feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to
be a dog.

the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog
to be proud to walk down the street with <3 feet to
the shoulder and still growing.

so well behaved even when people walk passed with
a out of control dog. gentle with my child and trustworthy
< I never have to worry that my dog will bite her, only
have to worry if a stranger comes over to my child.
still that is not a worry, she places herself between my
child and the stranger.

I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
crap out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking
and everything else. so jerry save this lad from
ruining his dog. later, Joe

===================

> -short hair, non-shedding

So find a short haired / non shedding breed.

> -loving, of course - but I find most dogs are

NOT if they're locked in boxes offered and withheld
of bribes attention affection and so called rewards
and jerked and choked on pronged spiked pinch choke
collars shocked and sprayed in the face with aversives
as your newfHOWEND MENTALLY ILL LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK
THUG COWARD PALS do to their dogs, Lisa.

> Those are my top priorities.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's top priority is IDENTIFYING
EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING the MENTALLY ILL LYIN DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE BRIBE CRATE
and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters.

> I've been reading about different breeds online,

You mean, from ETHICKAL BREEDERS, Lisa?

> many different breeds, but every time I have interest
> in one I find it has characteristics which are deal
> breakers,

Oh? DO TELL??? HOWE COME do you suppose the BREED
FANCIERS, the EXXXPERT PROFESSIONAL BREEDERS, warn
folks like YOU not to become interested in their
own favorite breed over BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS THEY CAN'T
TRAIN, Lisa?

Do you suppose THEY got DIFFERENT DOGS than what The
Amazing Puppy Wizard has been training NEARLY INSTANTLY
by simply DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE the EXXXPERT ETHICKAL BREEDERS and dog fanciers
like the LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES you're askin, Lisa?

> as in being notoriously difficult to housebreak

THAT'S INSANE, Lisa.

> (Dachshund, Italian Greyhound) or too aggressive
> and don't get on well with children,

THAT'S on accHOWENT of the ABUSE they call TRAININ.

> or a long-haired coat that sheds much and
> requires expensive care, etc.

Seems THAT'S the ONLY VALID QUESTION, Lisa.

> The one breed I'm really leaning toward is the Boxer.

We got LOTS of Boxer dog LOVERS here abHOWETS, Lisa.
Here's tara o. aka tee, Boxer Rescue Of N.C.:

From: "Tara O." <tara29...@yahoo.com> -
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:55:53 -0500

Subject: Update

I wanted to thank all of you again for your input.

This boy's name was Ty, short for Tyson by the way.

I sent him to the bridge yesterday.

I wasn't going to although I also wasn't sure I would
ever adopt him out but I wanted to give him the chance
and I did NOT want to send another dog to the bridge.

Two days ago when I came home from work, my house was
destroyed, there were 18 piles of poop, the countertop
contents were on the floor and Ty was standing there
eating that day's dinner.

The mess, while not pleasant to clean up wasn't a problem
but I did learn that he could escape the wire crate I had
him in by raising enough hell in it.

That was the first day he'd been placed between two other
dogs and not kept in my office space. Fancy was visibly
shaken and Pebbles (Min. Dach.) was huddled in the far back
corner of her crate which was moved about 3' from where it
had been.

I think he had intimidated my dogs but luckily they were crated.
This made me wonder more about my decision to keep him in my home.
Had any or all of my pets not been crated, I may have come home to
more than a cleaning problem.

Still though, I had his HW treatment scheduled for yesterday
afternoon and I just couldn't bring myself to change the reason
for the appointment.

When I went home yesterday at noon to let the dogs out I had
a big problem. Ty was still crated (I put him back in the plastic
crate) luckily. I put my 3 plus my deaf foster out back then took
Ty out front. We came back in and went to the kitchen so he could
get some water. He saw the other 4 dogs outback although they didn't
see him. He was fine and relaxed then started lapping up water.

Suddenly and with no provocation, he bolted towards the french
doors and hit them so hard that he broke them open. He was almost
off the deck before I regained my footing enough to stop him.

The only reason I was able to stop him was due to my never
letting go of his leash but he managed to catch me totally
by surprise and I'm the one who knew better than to trust
his actions.

I was able to get him back in and pull the door back before
the deafie came lunging from the other side. I let my guard
down for just a few seconds and that's what happened. Had I
not had his leash still in hand, he would've gotten to my dogs
for sure. I still have no idea what made him do that because
he wasn't watching them and they weren't watching him so there
was no provocation except their mere existence.

We went to the vet and I told them that I was sending him to
the bridge. While we waited outside (he couldn't be trusted
inside due to other dogs in the waiting room) he was so
wonderful and loving.

He sat next to me and we just played for a bit.

Twice I got in the car with him to leave because he was
just so beautiful and wonderful with me and the other
people that he met that I had a really hard time doing
what I did.

At least he went down in my arms while I talked to him
rather than going alone in a shelter. Things like this
are enough to make a person want to quit.

--------------

> Are there any Boxer owners here who could give me
> some info on how it went with their animal?

Oh, INDEEDY:

shelly couvrette OUR NEWEST MVP (MOST VALUABLE PSYCHOTIC)

All in the Mental Family

shelly: severe OCD
shelly's mom: chronic depression
shelly's brother: severe BiPolar

Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil
for mental illness, but claims she does
not take it, resulting in an obsessive
basket case online persona. Posts more than
any other female in all dog newsgroups

(familial mental illness, possibly related
to family bed) obsessively starves her
dogs according to friends, family,
strangers and 3 different vets, but
not herself (see below). Still thinks
of herself as a five year old ballerina
despite the fact that she is a fat
adult in her mid thirties.

PAGE ALL THE WAY UP FOR BONUS COVERAGE
NEW, HATTIE DOWN TO 47 POUNDS!!

NEWER, SHELLY GOES KUCKOOO!!! Over
shih tzu's being fed almost as much
as hattie (page to top)

Dateline: rec.pets.dogs.* newsgroups
Breaking Mental Illness News, JUNE 2004!

HATTIE @ 47 lbs!

Hattie, a boxer owned by shelly couvrette is
now down to 47 pounds. Couvrette, a librarian
at Indiana U. who suffers from obsessive/
compulsive disorder (OCD), was told by three
different Veterinarians that Hattie was "way
too skinny" when Hattie weighed 53 lbs.

Undeterred by that, and the reactions from
family and strangers on the street, shelly
continued shopping for vets and cutting
calories until Hattie,a chronic counter
surfer at age 5 now weighs just 47 lbs!

shelly finds all the symptoms of a starving
dog searching for nutrients to be
entertaining. Couvrette has developed a unique
technique to fool dogs who are having
pangs of starvation. She feeds them
green beans and canned pumpkin, so there
will be some "filler" in their stomachs
when they give her the "I'm Starving--no,
really" routine.

shelly is not nearly as obsessed with her
own weight, and has never been told by a
medical professional that she is "way too
skinny." If so, that medical professional
would be end up on this crazy person list
as well.

For a complete recap of the shelly and
hattie show, page down to the bottom of
this list.

============================

> Or if anyone could give me some clues on what breed
> to check into that best describes the characteristics
> I've mentioned above?

You AIN'T gonna be gettin no doGdameneD advice
from these MENTALLY ILL LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK
THUG COWARDS who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters.

> I'm reading very much on my own,

Perhaps you should READ THIS instead:

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> but I find the best teacher is experience

EXXXPERIENCE is sumpthin you gain JUST AFTER havin
needed it. The Amazing Puppy Wizard got 45 years
EXXXPERIENCE specializing in temperament and behavior
problems and protection training of mostly giant breed
workin dogs and IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING
incomptent lying dog abusing punk thug cowards.

> so I'm asking owners what they think.

You've come to the right place, Lisa...

> Thanks a bunch in advance.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting
a modular home here within the next few years... put more
fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs could play
bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never will....

~misty

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given you a bum
steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of losing their careers
and reputations.... Jerry.

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)

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