Deer or Dog?
shelly
mistaken for a deer by some clueless stranger. Ridiculous as that
is, I have a new sympathy for the clueless stranger. As I was
driving home yesterday, I took the back road, which is twisty and
hilly and full of things like, oh, deer. Deer, which are really
active right now. I rounded a curve to see what I *thought* was a
large dog running toward me. Nope, it was a fawn. It was kind of
nerve wracking for a minute, because mamma was on the *other* side
of the road, making me the filling in a deer sandwich. She was not
happy about be being between her and her baby, but she managed to
stay put until I was able to get clear. Whew!
Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look
like deer, right?
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Opinicus
> Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look like
> deer, right?
I remember farmers who used to hang big signs that said "COW" on their
cattle during the hunting season when I was a kid in Seattle WA. Never heard
of a dog being mistaken for a deer though.
But isn't that why hunting dogs have been bred to have lots of white in
their coats? So that they (hopefully) won't be mistaken for game?
--
Bob
http://www.kanyak.com
shelly
> This is one of the standing jokes in our house and it has come to the
> point where I can no longer identify animals while inside of a car...
You should take advantage of it by just making up random IDs.
> Be we were driving on a highway and I saw what I thought was a brown dog
> by the side of the road, I pointed to it and said, "doggie." DH burst
> out laughing. No doggie. Deer.
For example, you could have said, "Look, camel!"
> The only good news is that I also have one on him from the night that he
> leaned out the window to call "Here kitty" to the... masked animal on
> the roof outside our bedroom window...
Ha! At least he didn't try to play with one of those cute black and
white "kitties."
shelly
> I remember farmers who used to hang big signs that said "COW" on their
> cattle during the hunting season when I was a kid in Seattle WA. Never heard
> of a dog being mistaken for a deer though.
Worse, if I'm recalling correctly, one of Chris Jung's smoothies was
once mistaken for a llama.
> But isn't that why hunting dogs have been bred to have lots of white in
> their coats? So that they (hopefully) won't be mistaken for game?
I don't know, but as the owner of an extra flashy dog, it sure does
help make her more visible in underbrush and under low-light conditions.
pfoley
"shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
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======
I remember, in the newspaper, when I was young, a big to-do about a loose
panther prowling the neighborhood, which just turned out to be black Great
Dane, who I knew. I also heard of another similar story of people thinking
a panther was spotted and it turned out to be a Great Dane. These sightings
usually take place at night, when they are not that clearly visible.
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
>I remember someone (Suja or Sally, maybe?) saying their dog was
>mistaken for a deer by some clueless stranger. Ridiculous as that
>is, I have a new sympathy for the clueless stranger. As I was
>driving home yesterday, I took the back road, which is twisty and
>hilly and full of things like, oh, deer. Deer, which are really
>active right now. I rounded a curve to see what I *thought* was a
>large dog running toward me. Nope, it was a fawn. It was kind of
>nerve wracking for a minute, because mamma was on the *other* side
>of the road, making me the filling in a deer sandwich. She was not
>happy about be being between her and her baby, but she managed to
>stay put until I was able to get clear. Whew!
>
>Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look
>like deer, right?
I don't recall whether I posted that here, but fawn greyhounds are
frequently mistaken for deer. Here's one to top that, though. The
day I took Anna to the vet for the last time, she was pretty ill, was
regurgitating all day, and I knew it was time, but the vet's schedule
was full and they had to work me in. I was not going to sit in the
waiting room hearing people say how pretty she was, what was she? so
I waited outside with her, and Anna was able to enjoy the beautiful
day. A woman with an obnoxious dog that 'just wanted to say hi'
("don't worry, he doesn't bite") also did not know what breed Anna
was; she said she looked like an anteater.
Mustang Sally
shelly
> I don't recall whether I posted that here, but fawn greyhounds are
> frequently mistaken for deer.
I can *almost* understand that.
> Here's one to top that, though. The
> day I took Anna to the vet for the last time, she was pretty ill, was
> regurgitating all day, and I knew it was time, but the vet's schedule
> was full and they had to work me in. I was not going to sit in the
> waiting room hearing people say how pretty she was, what was she?
I'm sorry. I have been through that, and it is not very nice.
> so
> I waited outside with her, and Anna was able to enjoy the beautiful
> day. A woman with an obnoxious dog that 'just wanted to say hi'
> ("don't worry, he doesn't bite")
"Maybe not, but I do!"
> also did not know what breed Anna
> was; she said she looked like an anteater.
Awww! Not the most flattering thing, but I think anteaters are
actually kinda endearing.
Kathleen
> I remember someone (Suja or Sally, maybe?) saying their dog was mistaken
> for a deer by some clueless stranger. Ridiculous as that is, I have a
> new sympathy for the clueless stranger. As I was driving home
> yesterday, I took the back road, which is twisty and hilly and full of
> things like, oh, deer. Deer, which are really active right now. I
> rounded a curve to see what I *thought* was a large dog running toward
> me. Nope, it was a fawn. It was kind of nerve wracking for a minute,
> because mamma was on the *other* side of the road, making me the filling
> in a deer sandwich. She was not happy about be being between her and
> her baby, but she managed to stay put until I was able to get clear. Whew!
>
> Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look like
> deer, right?
I was mountainbiking at a local multi-use trail and up ahead, across the
meadow I saw a hiker bopping along with headphones on, groovin' to his
tunes and obviously oblivious to his surroundings. Following a couple
of paces behind him was what my dog-centric brain interpreted as a fawn
colored great dane.
Well, I had the "fawn" part right, anyhow. It was a doe. I stopped to
see how it would play out and the deer followed this guy for probably 50
yards. Then she apparently lost interest, or maybe just reached her
destination (Whoops, this is my stop, see ya!") and turned off and
vanished into the brush. He never knew she was there.
Kathleen
sighthounds & siberians
wrote:
>sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>
>> I don't recall whether I posted that here, but fawn greyhounds are
>> frequently mistaken for deer.
>
>I can *almost* understand that.
>
>> Here's one to top that, though. The
>> day I took Anna to the vet for the last time, she was pretty ill, was
>> regurgitating all day, and I knew it was time, but the vet's schedule
>> was full and they had to work me in. I was not going to sit in the
>> waiting room hearing people say how pretty she was, what was she?
>
>I'm sorry. I have been through that, and it is not very nice.
>
>> so
>> I waited outside with her, and Anna was able to enjoy the beautiful
>> day. A woman with an obnoxious dog that 'just wanted to say hi'
>> ("don't worry, he doesn't bite")
>
>"Maybe not, but I do!"
>
>> also did not know what breed Anna
>> was; she said she looked like an anteater.
>
>Awww! Not the most flattering thing, but I think anteaters are
>actually kinda endearing.
I know it was rude, but I just couldn't find an answer to that. I
walked away.
Mustang Sally
shelly
> ... well, the reason I well and truly earned the description of "can't
> distinguish animals from the car" was because I pointed out a "horsie"
> that was, in fact, an Alpaca.
Now *that's* more like it! You should have insisted that you were
correct.
shelly
> Well, I had the "fawn" part right, anyhow. It was a doe. I stopped to
> see how it would play out and the deer followed this guy for probably 50
> yards. Then she apparently lost interest, or maybe just reached her
> destination (Whoops, this is my stop, see ya!") and turned off and
> vanished into the brush.
*Very* cute!
> He never knew she was there.
That's a good illustration of the unfortunate side of tuning out.
On the other hand, if the hiker had been paying attention, the doe
might not have felt safe enough to follow him.
shelly
> I know it was rude, but I just couldn't find an answer to that. I
> walked away.
Good for you! That was probably the best response, actually. You
didn't have to take responsibility for teaching her manners and she
is more likely to think about why you responded that way than if you
had spoken to her.
Suja
"shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message:
> I remember someone (Suja or Sally, maybe?) saying their dog was
> mistaken for a deer by some clueless stranger.
I have a pony/cow and a Wolf. Kind of hard to have two mostly black dogs
mistaken for a deer.
> Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look
> like deer, right?
If you say so.
The strangest one I've heard so far is a drunken girl mistaking a fawn Dane
for a Giraffe.
Suja
shelly
> I have a pony/cow and a Wolf.
I would not argue with that. Personally, I have a goat.
> Kind of hard to have two mostly black dogs mistaken for a deer.
Stranger things have happened.
> The strangest one I've heard so far is a drunken girl mistaking a fawn Dane
> for a Giraffe.
She gets points for creativity!
Judith Althouse
You is one lucky girl. I am thankful no one was injured or killed in
the deer, fawn, and Shelly roadway thing. I remember living in Mi and
the deer were huge, down here (Fl) when I first saw em I thought they
were dogs. They are smarter too....They just graze right by the rode
not in it.. You never see one dead on the road I always wondered. I
have since discovered the Buzzards eat them in no time. They are very
adept at dragging em just back from the road and .........picked clean
Dogs too.....sorry about the gruesome OT note, I originally started to
wish you well Shelly..
Be Free,
Judy
Judith Althouse
Yeah that happens all the time doesn't it? Domestic pets being
mistaken for wild animals and vice versa, it usually ends in the local
townspeople beating the bushes for the predator that is snatching
children off the school bus. (The Great Dane) :)
I am sure they are about to open season on Black bear. It is not
uncommon to see one in subdivision neighborhoods.
Be Free,
Judy
shelly
> Shelly
> You is one lucky girl. I am thankful no one was injured or killed in
> the deer, fawn, and Shelly roadway thing.
Thanks! The deer have been really active lately, so driving the
back roads can be a little exciting.
> I remember living in Mi and
> the deer were huge, down here (Fl) when I first saw em I thought they
> were dogs.
We have white-tailed deer here, and they can be quite large.
Funny deer story: Ralph, my current landdude, stopped by a couple
of weeks ago. He works construction, so he has a sun-up to sun-down
sort of schedule. I leave home at 5am, so I'm gone well before
sun-up. He told me that on days that I work, when he drives past my
place, there are usually about 20 deer in my dog yard. I guess they
know that when the car is gone, it's safe. And, since it's fenced,
it's pretty well protected, and makes a nice, safe place for them to
stop and rest for awhile. I, however, have never, *ever* seen a
deer in my dog yard. Weird, huh?
> They are smarter too....They just graze right by the rode
> not in it.. You never see one dead on the road I always wondered. I
> have since discovered the Buzzards eat them in no time. They are very
> adept at dragging em just back from the road and .........picked clean
> Dogs too.....sorry about the gruesome OT note, I originally started to
> wish you well Shelly..
I'm not bothered by that sort of gruesome. I regularly stop to look
at roadkill, and have even photographed/sketched some of the
fresher, more intact ones. Also, if you note where the roadkill
are, and where the turkey vultures drag the carcasses to, you can go
back later and collect the bones.
ceb
>> Kind of hard to have two mostly black dogs mistaken for a deer.
>
> Stranger things have happened.
>
The day I met Zoe at the SPCA, I took her out for a walk and someone in the
parking lot said "what's that you've got there -- a little bear cub?" Her
nickname was Little Bear until she outgrew puppitude.
--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Max the Pomeranian
& Rosalie the calico
Darla Vladschyk
wrote:
>... A good hunter IDENTIFIES the target before shooting though. IDENTIFY
>is a key word. I should put "positively"identify.
If only Dick Cheney read this group. *sigh*
-=D=-
--
"I'm still here, you bastards!"
---Papillon
http://www.yougotta.com/DARLA/
--
Darla Vladschyk
wrote:
>... if you note where the roadkill
>are, and where the turkey vultures drag the carcasses to, you can go
>back later and collect the bones.
Why would you want to do that?
Suja
"shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message:
> Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look
> like deer, right?
This is timely.
http://www.shepherdrescue.org/pages/max22.html
Suja
Handsome Jack Morrison
<Darl...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:46:59 -0500, diddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net>
>wrote:
>
>>... A good hunter IDENTIFIES the target before shooting though. IDENTIFY
>>is a key word. I should put "positively"identify.
>
>If only Dick Cheney read this group. *sigh*
Do you know anything about shotguns, or bird-hunting?
No?
<sigh>
A rule of bird-hunting, when there's several hunters in a group, is
that everyone walks in a line, at each other's side. And if you're
forced to dropout of the line for some reason, you're obligated to let
everyone know, so that the line can shift accordingly. The guy Cheney
accidentally shot didn't do that. No one in the hunting party knew
that he had wandered off.
The first rule of shooting birds with a shotgun in the field is that
you broadly SWING THROUGH the target, usually starting behind the bird
and then quickly SWINGING on through and well past the bird as it's
flying along, left to right, right to left, etc.. It's the only way
that the *cone* of shot (and those very small pellets) can catch up
with and actually hit a bird (and a quail is a very small bird) that
may be flying by at speeds exceeding 40 mph, and only 30-40 yards
away.
And because the gunner is always focused on the *bird,* not on his
sights (like a rifleman), a shotgunner can't really see anything else
but the *bird* when he slaps that trigger.
Accidents like that happen. Bird hunters spray each other with shot
all the time. This accident wasn't Cheney's fault; it was the fault of
his hunting companion.
So the moral of the story is: Don't sneak up on bird hunters carrying
shotguns. You might get shot.
Even by the Vice President of the United States.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/09/10/a_new_low_in_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22450_Deranged_Democrat_Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. <spit>
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22395_Reality-Based_Community_Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/09/the_azzam_threat_a_prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTkxNzhlZDBmZTI0ZTc1ZDlmNjRkYTZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365246-details/President+Bush+assassinated+in+new+TV+docudrama/article.do
Shelly
wrote:
>Why would you want to do that?
Because I am sick. Just ask Diddy! I really like bones. I like to
draw and paint them, and I like to use them in artwork.
One of the first things you do in figure drawing class is studies of the
human skeleton. One of my profs had lived her whole life on a farm, so
she brought in all sorts of farm animal skeleton parts that she'd
collected over the years.
--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
You must have chaos in your heart to give birth to a dancing star.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
Shelly
>This is timely.
>
>http://www.shepherdrescue.org/pages/max22.html
Oh my. What an appealing goofball! You can just tell he's a dog you
could have all sorts of fun with.
--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
The moon's all sticky. It's covered in jam...
-- Eddie Izzard
TaraG
"Shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
news:dijjg2h6c2ue92nho...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:48:41 GMT, Darla Vladschyk <Darl...@Gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Why would you want to do that?
>
> Because I am sick. Just ask Diddy!
Yabbut, she also thinks I work for Petsmart.
> I really like bones. I like to
> draw and paint them, and I like to use them in artwork.
An artist friend of mine has a drawing she did of a pile of bat bones she
found in New Mexico. I keep trying to get her to give it me. No luck so far.
Tara
Darla Vladschyk
That was a real buzz-kill, Jack. Way to step all over a joke with the
facts! LOL
Darla
Darla Vladschyk
wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:48:41 GMT, Darla Vladschyk <Darl...@Gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Why would you want to do that?
>
>Because I am sick. Just ask Diddy! I really like bones. I like to
>draw and paint them, and I like to use them in artwork.
>
>One of the first things you do in figure drawing class is studies of the
>human skeleton. One of my profs had lived her whole life on a farm, so
>she brought in all sorts of farm animal skeleton parts that she'd
>collected over the years.
All righty then! I'll bet you're a riot at Boston Pizza's "All You
Can Eat" rib night.
Heh!
Darla
AMB
wrote:
>Anyway, if deer can look like dogs,
One of my coworkers recently had a looong day and that evening she was
driving to her home on the outskirts of town. Suddenly she sees two
Great Danes walking down the middle of the road. Hmm, she thinks, why
are there two Great Danes walking down the middle of the road? As she
gets closer she thinks, hmm, why does that Great Dane have antlers??
THEN she "got it."
Like I said, it had been a long day.
Handsome Jack Morrison
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 00:37:31 GMT, Darla Vladschyk
<Darl...@Gmail.com> wrote:
[]
>>So the moral of the story is: Don't sneak up on bird hunters carrying
>>shotguns. You might get shot.
>>
>>Even by the Vice President of the United States.
>
>That was a real buzz-kill, Jack. Way to step all over a joke with the
>facts! LOL
Just setting the record straight, Darla!
Judith Althouse
You posted about your last day with Anna and how you had to wait
outside as the Vet had a busy schedule. You also mentioned Anna was ill
and regurgitating.
Some bitch had the audacity to approach you and Anna with the chatty
chat "does she bite?" What is she an Anteater? To that I must reply I
am so sorry you and Anna had to be bothered by some stupid ass Chatty
Kathy. I dunno maybe it was her FIRST trip in life to the Vet's office
or maybe you do a good job of not showing your emotions. But normal
people can usually sense if you are there for puppy shots, nails
trimmed, etc or something serious or final as was Anna's trip to be
euthanized. WTF is wrong with people. I admire your composure. I
would have probably started crying while quietly speaking the words "get
out of my face" to keep from frightening Anna.....if not for Anna I
would have been a little more vocal. Your strenth in showing restraint
is to be admired. It was really all about Anna at that point anyway.
Be Free,
Judy
shelly
> All righty then! I'll bet you're a riot at Boston Pizza's "All You
> Can Eat" rib night.
No, not so much! I am vegetarian. But, I *would* ask my friends to
bring the rib bones home for me.
--
Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
shelly
> I collect skulls. When I conduct a scent seminar, I use them to demonstrate
> the turbinants and nasal construction of various species.By the anatomy,
> you get a pretty good idea how much the use their noses in comparison, and
> how much of their brain is dedicated to scent.
I recently was given some owl pellets that were chock full of mouse
and vole skulls (and fur and other skeletal bits). They're
absolutely gorgeous! I've also got a box turtle skull (and
vertebrae and most of her shell, including tortoiseshell plates).
--
Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
shelly
> Yabbut, she also thinks I work for Petsmart.
I noticed she's made no further mention of it, nor has she retracted
her obviously untrue statement.
> An artist friend of mine has a drawing she did of a pile of bat bones she
> found in New Mexico. I keep trying to get her to give it me. No luck so far.
If she doesn't want to part with it, you could try commissioning her
to do one just for you.
--
Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
pfoley
"shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
news:4mtft9F...@individual.net...
You photograph and sketch roadkill and then collect the bones? You are a
lot stranger than I have given you credit for. That is really weird!
Melinda Shore
pfoley <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You photograph and sketch roadkill and then collect the bones? You are a
>lot stranger than I have given you credit for. That is really weird!
I think it's weird to be so wrapped up in a personal
vendetta that you're more committed to attempting to score
points than you are to trying to stick more-or-less to
reality. Without the process Shelly described your people
would still be painting yourselves blue, running around the
woods carrying sticks and rocks as weapons, and dying from
tooth infections. The history of science is rife with
examples of exactly what Shelly posted.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
shelly
> You photograph and sketch roadkill and then collect the bones?
That's what I said.
> You are a
> lot stranger than I have given you credit for. That is really weird!
Not really. People have been collecting and painting/drawing bones
for a long, long time.
As for photographing and sketching roadkill, sometimes that's the
best way to get a good look at certain wildlife. Yesterday I passed
the body of a young adult red-tailed hawk, lying on the side of the
road. I don't know how it died, but I stopped and took some photos.
The tail and one of the wings were in excellent condition, so it
was a good opportunity to observe the feathers. I'm hoping that
I'll have time this afternoon to go back and do some sketching.
shelly
> The history of science is rife with
> examples of exactly what Shelly posted.
Yes, well, some people think science *is* Really Weird.
Melinda Shore
Come to think of it, science is really weird. But still,
it's better than the alternative.
shelly
> Ok I have horse, cow, deer, cat, possum, bear, coyote, cougar, moose and
> elk skulls. what do you have?
Small stuff, mostly. Box turtle, mouse, and vole skulls. Also, pig
jaw bones (teeth intact but missing one tusk). And, the lower jaw
bones (teeth intact), pelvic bones, and leg bones from something I
haven't been able to identify. It's cat-sized, so there are a lot
of possibilities.
Somewhere I've got stacks and stacks of sketches and drawings of
larger skulls, from when I was in school. One of my profs grew up
on a farm out west, and saved all sorts of skulls from stuff like
coyotes, buffalo, cattle, horses, etc. Also, large animal
vertebrae, which are a lot of fun to draw.
FYI for Pfoley, dog walking is a *great* opportunity for
bone/carcass spotting, especially road-sides and wooded areas.
shelly
> You photograph and sketch roadkill and then collect the bones? You are a
> lot stranger than I have given you credit for. That is really weird!
Also, FYI (and anyone else's who might be interested):
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/dreamanatomy/index.html
There are some exquisite anatomical illustrations in this on-line
exhibition. Examining and drawing dead stuff (in this case, human)
is not anything new.
If I'm "really weird," at least I'm in good company.
Kathleen
> Kathleen wrote:
>
>> Well, I had the "fawn" part right, anyhow. It was a doe. I stopped
>> to see how it would play out and the deer followed this guy for
>> probably 50 yards. Then she apparently lost interest, or maybe just
>> reached her destination (Whoops, this is my stop, see ya!") and turned
>> off and vanished into the brush.
>
>
> *Very* cute!
>
>> He never knew she was there.
>
>
> That's a good illustration of the unfortunate side of tuning out. On the
> other hand, if the hiker had been paying attention, the doe might not
> have felt safe enough to follow him.
>
I really hate I-Pods and their ilk out on the trails. Just because
there are no cars to run you over doesn't mean there's nothing to watch
out for. Those trails are used by mountain biker, hikers, dog walkers
and horseback riders. Imagine being so oblivious that a wild animal
could approach so close and follow along for so long... He's lucky it
was just a deer.
Kathleen
Les Hilliard
news:4mvk58F...@individual.net:
> pfoley wrote:
>
>> You photograph and sketch roadkill and then collect the bones? You
>> are a lot stranger than I have given you credit for. That is really
>> weird!
>
> Also, FYI (and anyone else's who might be interested):
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/dreamanatomy/index.html
>
> There are some exquisite anatomical illustrations in this on-line
> exhibition. Examining and drawing dead stuff (in this case, human)
> is not anything new.
>
> If I'm "really weird," at least I'm in good company.
>
Personally I think this is interesting. Actually in the nineteenth
century, before we had photographs and x-ray, the only way to learn
anatomy, both human and animal, was to look at, sketch, and collect bones.
Nothing wierd about that, it's basic science. I also do a lot of sketching
and drawing and bones are often used to teach basic form when learning to
draw figures.
I love taking apart owl pellets and examining the bones inside. At
one time I even tried to reconstruct a vole but the bones are so delicate
that it's extremely difficult. When I worked as a teacher, owl pellets are
a basic part of the science curriculum when teaching about wildlife.
By the way, thanks for the link, I found it very facinating.
--
Les Hilliard & Nikki the Super Shih-Tzu
shelly
Good grief! Can I blame Tara's demon spell-check for that errant 's?
> Personally I think this is interesting. Actually in the nineteenth
> century, before we had photographs and x-ray, the only way to learn
> anatomy, both human and animal, was to look at, sketch, and collect bones.
> Nothing wierd about that, it's basic science.
It is. I will admit that I'm probably more than normally fascinated
by dead things, though. I think I was the only kid in high school
who wasn't disgusted when we did animal dissections.
> I also do a lot of sketching
> and drawing and bones are often used to teach basic form when learning to
> draw figures.
Yep. One of the first thing most figure drawing classes do is
skeletal studies.
> I love taking apart owl pellets and examining the bones inside. At
> one time I even tried to reconstruct a vole but the bones are so delicate
> that it's extremely difficult. When I worked as a teacher, owl pellets are
> a basic part of the science curriculum when teaching about wildlife.
That's how I got these owl pellets. A friend took a wildlife class
from the local forestry folks. They brought in a bunch of pellets
for the class to pick apart and look at. No one wanted to keep
their pellets, so she collected them and brought them to me. (Well
trained friends are Teh Awesome!)
> By the way, thanks for the link, I found it very facinating.
You're welcome!
TaraG
"shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
news:4mvddfF...@individual.net...
> TaraG wrote:
>
>> Yabbut, she also thinks I work for Petsmart.
>
> I noticed she's made no further mention of it, nor has she retracted her
> obviously untrue statement.
Much like the other times she's clearly srossed the line, she acts a though
if she laws low for a few days, maybe it'll just disappear.
>> An artist friend of mine has a drawing she did of a pile of bat bones she
>> found in New Mexico. I keep trying to get her to give it me. No luck so
>> far.
>
> If she doesn't want to part with it, you could try commissioning her to do
> one just for you.
She's mostly into sculpture and pottery these days.
Besides, I can't afford New York artists :-)
Tara
shelly
> Much like the other times she's clearly srossed the line, she acts a though
> if she laws low for a few days, maybe it'll just disappear.
That's her MO. On the bright side, at least you haven't been
cancelled lately.
> Besides, I can't afford New York artists :-)
Barter?
TaraG
> TaraG wrote:
>
>> Much like the other times she's clearly srossed the line, she acts a
>> though if she laws low for a few days, maybe it'll just disappear.
>
> That's her MO. On the bright side, at least you haven't been cancelled
> lately.
Or cursed at in some coded seekret language :-D
>> Besides, I can't afford New York artists :-)
>
> Barter?
I just wait for birthdays. This last Birthday, she had just gotten her first
large Kiln for firing. So she made me a set of gorgeous mugs (great GREAT
big'uns....using one now) and big comfy soup bowls (I looooove good deep
bowls of soup when I'm sick, and didn't have any). I was pretty happy with
it.
I made her a necklace for Xmas, and I think I'll make her some metal
earrings this year. Not sure if I'll stick with cold metal work, or use what
will then be my brand new soldering/annealling metal techniques (class
starts next week! yay!). Once I really get going with jewelry making, I'll
have some good stuff to barter with :-)
Tara
pfoley
Oh so you do this sort of thing for science purposes; I thought you did it
to gather the bones to paint and then display in your home. They must smell
awful; nothing worse than a dead animal smell. And what do you do with the
photos of the decaying animals then?
Melinda Shore
pfoley <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh so you do this sort of thing for science purposes; I thought you did it
>to gather the bones to paint and then display in your home. They must smell
>awful; nothing worse than a dead animal smell. And what do you do with the
>photos of the decaying animals then?
Hey, Shelly - now you've got *two* buttsniffers!
shelly
> Oh so you do this sort of thing for science purposes;
Yes and no.
> I thought you did it
> to gather the bones to paint and then display in your home.
Yes. And no.
> They must smell awful; nothing worse than a dead animal smell.
Clean bones do not have a scent that is detectable by humans.
> And what do you do with the photos of the decaying animals then?
Define "do with." My photos are cataloged in a database and backed
up online and on CD/DVD, but somehow, I don't think that's what you
meant.
shelly
> Hey, Shelly - now you've got *two* buttsniffers!
Jeebus! Do I at least get some sort of prize?
pfoley
And what do you do with your database of dead animals?
shelly
> That is just deeply weird.
*snort*
shelly
> And what do you do with your database of dead animals?
Add to it when I take new photos. Use it to locate images. That's
pretty much what a database is for.
shelly
> Seen recently on a billboard in Caldwell, Idaho:
> "I'd rather go joy riding with Ted Kennedy than hunting with
> Dick Cheney".
Heh.
> And, it doesn't get much more Republican than Idaho.
Sure it does: Owen County, Indiana. That billboard would not last
a minute here.
Melinda Shore
>And, it doesn't get much more Republican than Idaho.
Boy, I dunno. I spent much of this week at a meeting in
Washington. I drove down and left the behemoth in the
long-term lot at Dulles, which meant ... driving through
Pennsylvania (I hate driving through Pennsylvania). The
road signage gets more threatening every year, and it's
gotten to the point where it's just hundreds of miles of
"DIE! YOU'RE GOING TO DIE DIE DIE! DO WHAT WE SAY OR
YOU'RE GOING TO DIE DIE DIE! DEATH! CARNAGE! DIE DIE
DIE!! DO WHAT WE SAY OR DIE DIE DIE!" which struck me as
just about as Republican as you can get.
ObDog: stopped at Cabela's, examined their "dog energy
treats," was profoundly unimpressed.
ceb
@dukeread04:
>
> "shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message:
>
>> Anyway, if deer can look like dogs, then I suppose dogs can look
>> like deer, right?
>
> This is timely.
>
> http://www.shepherdrescue.org/pages/max22.html
>
> Suja
>
>
>
I am feeling all smitten with Max #22. I think it would be hilarious to
have him come running when I turned on the shower!
--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Max the Pomeranian
& Rosalie the calico
pfoley
No, I mean who has the necessity to use these photos of dead animals. Are
you a animal forensic scientist?
shelly
> No, I mean who has the necessity to use these photos of dead animals.
Me.
> Are you a animal forensic scientist?
Whatever that is, I am not it.
Marcel Beaudoin
@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:
> And what do you do with your database of dead animals?
Do you read previous posts and retain them??
She said a couple times that she sketches, and uses the photos of to learn
how to draw her sketches more accurately.
--
Marcel and Moogli
http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/
TaraG
"pfoley" <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZCyOg.1835$UG4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Now you're just being ridiculous. I assume this is in order to maintain your
pissing contest with shelly? Fine, but at least pick a topic that's actually
worth arguing over fergawdsakes.
Many, MANY artists do this. They see things differently, they view things
differently, and they are *trained* differently. Every visual artist that I
know has studied not only human cadavers, but animal carcasses (and those
far more often). That's just how it is. There's no darker motive, or serial
killer aspect, its a fascination with form, with what's *underneath* the
form, and the visual interpretation of that form....among other things.
I have many friends that are visual artists. One of them can't actually see
an animal dying or suffering in any way without sobbing herself
(overidentification with animal suffering to a paralytic degree. Makes her
useless when it comes to helping in rescue), but she can still sketch them,
and adores the sketches that our mutual friend has done of animal bones and
remnants. Its just a differently way of looking at something.
Tara
shelly
> Do you read previous posts and retain them??
Apparently not. And, how much do you want to bet that next week,
he'll be picking on Sally for being a bone collector?
> She said a couple times that she sketches, and uses the photos of to learn
> how to draw her sketches more accurately.
There ya' go! It's amazing what a little reading comprehension and
information retention will do, isn't it?
Marcel Beaudoin
news:4mvrsuF...@individual.net:
> Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
>
>> Do you read previous posts and retain them??
>
> Apparently not. And, how much do you want to bet that next week,
> he'll be picking on Sally for being a bone collector?
pssst...over in breeds he is already picking on Sally.
Silly her, wanting people to give accurate information to others.
shelly
> pssst...over in breeds he is already picking on Sally.
>
> Silly her, wanting people to give accurate information to others.
Yes. And he's not the only one. Jack can't tell Sally and I apart,
either. Maybe Pfoley is *Jack's* sock-puppet?
shelly
> Many, MANY artists do this. They see things differently, they view things
> differently, and they are *trained* differently. Every visual artist that I
> know has studied not only human cadavers, but animal carcasses (and those
> far more often). That's just how it is. There's no darker motive, or serial
> killer aspect, its a fascination with form, with what's *underneath* the
> form, and the visual interpretation of that form....among other things.
That sums it up nicely.
> I have many friends that are visual artists. One of them can't actually see
> an animal dying or suffering in any way without sobbing herself
> (overidentification with animal suffering to a paralytic degree. Makes her
> useless when it comes to helping in rescue), but she can still sketch them,
> and adores the sketches that our mutual friend has done of animal bones and
> remnants.
That's not surprising. Bones can be appreciated as objects in their
own rights. It's possible to relate to them in a way that doesn't
require empathy with the being they were once part of.
> Its just a differently way of looking at something.
Exactly. It's hard for me to imagine *not* being curious about the
underlying structures, but I know that there are many folks who aren't.
Melinda Shore
>Many, MANY artists do this.
Nerds, too. I think curiosity about the world is a good
thing, and active exploration of it is better.
shelly
> Since I'm working my dog in Search and Rescue,it was just suggested last
> night, that I purchase human bones for cadaver collections to train him
> from the boneroom. http://www.boneroom.com/bone/humanbones.html
The only problem with human bones is the cost.
> Now watch pfoley uggy out.
He really does seem intent on being an ignoramus, doesn't he?
shelly
> Nerds, too. I think curiosity about the world is a good
> thing, and active exploration of it is better.
Absolutely. I cannot fathom what it must be like to lack that sort
of curiosity.
Marcel Beaudoin
news:2006091510584311272-montana@wildhackcominvalid:
> On 2006-09-15 10:52:15 -0400, sh...@panix.com (Melinda Shore) said:
>
>> In article <COyOg.4$Se.1@trndny03>, TaraG <tarag...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Many, MANY artists do this.
>>
>> Nerds, too. I think curiosity about the world is a good
>> thing, and active exploration of it is better.
>
> The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity.
Not to be gruesome, but IMO, the cure for curiosity is death.
shelly
> Well.yeah. I was told to buy Femurs. They leave the most scent and the
> easiest to train a dog on, for the least amount of money. the A2 quality is
> the cheapest. He's not going to eat them. He's going to FIND
> them (hopefully) so using them over and over as a permanent
> one time expenditure makes the cost not so bad.
They have packages of random bones and bone fragments for search and
rescue dogs. Those seem to be pretty affordable, but if femur bones
are what works best, then that's what I would get. A2 quality
shouldn't be *too* expensive (A1s are $100, so A2s should be
significantly less than that).
TaraG
> Melinda Shore wrote:
>
>> Nerds, too. I think curiosity about the world is a good
>> thing, and active exploration of it is better.
>
> Absolutely. I cannot fathom what it must be like to lack that sort of
> curiosity.
Me. I love looking at interesting things, but I rarely care what is
underneath that "interesting". Well, I care,, but not enough to read a bunch
of books on it.
I love yummy and amazing food, and yet I could care less how it was made
(unless I could, somehow, recreate it....which given my poor cooking skills
is less than likely).
Is there such a thing as an intellectual luddite? Its been getting worse
over the years. I figure by the time I'm 60, I'll pretty much just be a lump
of flesh saying things like "mmmmmmmmm......donuts"
Tara
shelly
> They said $50, pelvis at $40 are good too.
That's not bad!
> The SAR packages contain very
> small bone packages so It was suggested to get either the A2 Femur, or $40
> pelvis, or the $100 SAR package.
If you don't need a bunch of individual bones, it sounds like an A2
femur might be a better deal.
shelly
> Me. I love looking at interesting things, but I rarely care what is
> underneath that "interesting". Well, I care,, but not enough to read a bunch
> of books on it.
There are things that don't really spark my interest, and I think
that's normal. It's the folks who, in general, lack *any* sort of
curiosity that baffle me. I have a friend like that, and I don't
understand how she gets through the day. She's also perpetually
bored and doesn't have (or want) a hobby.
I don't think you're at *all* in the same category.
> I love yummy and amazing food, and yet I could care less how it was made
> (unless I could, somehow, recreate it....which given my poor cooking skills
> is less than likely).
But if it's a subject you *are* interested in, wouldn't you be
curious enough to learn more about it? Like, say, dog training or
behavior?
> Is there such a thing as an intellectual luddite? Its been getting worse
> over the years. I figure by the time I'm 60, I'll pretty much just be a lump
> of flesh saying things like "mmmmmmmmm......donuts"
I have days like that *now*. I am *so* screwed.
Melinda Shore
>Me. I love looking at interesting things, but I rarely care what is
>underneath that "interesting". Well, I care,, but not enough to read a bunch
>of books on it.
I think that enjoying looking at interesting things gives
you a leg up on (too) much of the rest of the population. A
lot of people look at interesting things and go "DIE DIE
DIE! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE DIE DIE" (still haven't gotten
over the drive through Pennsylvania, or the 9/11
presidential speech). Being in NYC you're fortunate to be
exposed to a huge variety of stuff all the time. Frankly,
it seems to me that if you tried to find out more about even
1/2 of them you'd have no time for anything else.
sighthounds & siberians
Althouse) wrote:
>Mustang Sally,
> You posted about your last day with Anna and how you had to wait
>outside as the Vet had a busy schedule. You also mentioned Anna was ill
>and regurgitating.
>Some bitch had the audacity to approach you and Anna with the chatty
>chat "does she bite?" What is she an Anteater? To that I must reply I
>am so sorry you and Anna had to be bothered by some stupid ass Chatty
>Kathy. I dunno maybe it was her FIRST trip in life to the Vet's office
>or maybe you do a good job of not showing your emotions. But normal
>people can usually sense if you are there for puppy shots, nails
>trimmed, etc or something serious or final as was Anna's trip to be
>euthanized. WTF is wrong with people. I admire your composure. I
>would have probably started crying while quietly speaking the words "get
>out of my face" to keep from frightening Anna.....if not for Anna I
>would have been a little more vocal. Your strenth in showing restraint
>is to be admired. It was really all about Anna at that point anyway.
Anna had surgery last October for laryngeal paralysis. About 3 weeks
later, while she was hospitalized with her first bout of aspiration
pneumonia, she was diagnosed with megaesophagus. Usually tieback
surgery is not done on dogs with megaE, because megaE dogs are
guaranteed to regurgitate frequently and post-tieback dogs aspirate
easily, but Anna didn't show any signs or symptoms of megaE prior to
her surgery. Anyway, at that point we knew it was just a matter of
time. She had numerous episodes of aspiration pneumonia over the last
11 months and there were a couple of times that I thought it was
'time', but she had a strong will underneath her incredibly lazy
Borzoi exterior, and she always rallied. I was pretty exhausted and
not in the mood to hear anyone tell me what a beautiful dog she was
last Wednesday, and since Anna loved walks we stayed outside until
they had time for us. She probably didn't look all that ill to a
stranger, because she did briefly perk up for the car ride and walkies
around the vet's property. Closer inspection would have shown that
she'd been lying in what she regurgitated, and that she was congested
and having difficulty breathing. I wasn't openly weeping at that
point, that came later, but I hardly think I looked cheerful and/or
inviting conversation. It should have been pretty obvious to all but
the morons of this world that we were trying to stay off by ourselves.
I don't know what's wrong with some people. I have nothing against
anteaters, but telling someone their dog looks like an anteater
doesn't seem like a compliment to me. At least it didn't seem like
one then.
It's too bad the woman was leaving. If she'd been coming to the
vet's, she'd still have been in the waiting room when I left. Quite a
few people were able to see Anna lying on the floor when I opened the
door to leave the exam room, and anybody who couldn't would have known
what just happened from my demeanor and the empty harness I carried.
If that woman had been there, she might have learned something. Or
not.
Mustang Sally
shelly
> The $40 pelvis is even better, but they are currently out of stock.
> I'm trying to decide if to go on the wish list. or purchase an a2 femur.
> Since I'm leaning toward the femur, because waiting for someone to die
> just to save $10 seemed ghoulish.
In that case, I'd go with the A2 femur. Instant gratification can
be a big motivator.
> Skulls are also good. But they are
> very expensive and on the wish list as well.That would also cover my
> collection of skulls to study for nasal turbinates for my SCENT! classes.
> But alas.. A skull that I used for those classes, I would NOT be using to
> train my dog with. too expensive compared to expected results.
> Their skulls at http://www.skullsunlimited.com/are so expensive, it's
> unreal. Heck dog skulls are $99!
A skull is what I want. I'd also like a pelvis with sacrum, and
some vertebrae. I just can't justify spending that sort of money on
something like that right now.
Handsome Jack Morrison
[]
>I think it's weird to be so wrapped up in a personal
>vendetta that you're more committed to attempting to score
>points than you are to trying to stick more-or-less to
>reality.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
IRONY-O-METER
. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
^
She's pegged, babe. PEGGED!
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
The Iraqi Truth Project:
http://www.iraqitruthproject.com/
Payback's gonna be a real bitch.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/09/10/a_new_low_in_bush_hatred/
Deranged Democrat Watch
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22450_Deranged_Democrat_Watch#comments
Joe Wilson: The End of an Error
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16896
Cindy Sheehan. <spit>
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19117
http://www.slate.com/id/2124788/
"Reality Based" Community Watch:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22395_Reality-Based_Community_Watch#comments
The "Azzam" Threat: A prelude to Future Jihad in America:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/09/the_azzam_threat_a_prelude_to.php
The Plamegate Hall of Shame:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/648ygtoe.asp
The Waiting Game:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTkxNzhlZDBmZTI0ZTc1ZDlmNjRkYTZiNzM1NTI4NjY=
Border War. Another must-see movie.
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/31/border-war/
Playing with fire, the commie pinko liberal way:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365246-details/President+Bush+assassinated+in+new+TV+docudrama/article.do
Handsome Jack Morrison
<handsomeja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 15 Sep 2006 10:00:27 -0400, sh...@panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote:
>
>>In article <4mvph3F...@individual.net>, Terri <Te...@micron.net> wrote:
>>>And, it doesn't get much more Republican than Idaho.
>>
>>Boy, I dunno. I spent much of this week at a meeting in
>>Washington. I drove down and left the behemoth in the
>>long-term lot at Dulles, which meant ... driving through
>>Pennsylvania (I hate driving through Pennsylvania). The
>>road signage gets more threatening every year, and it's
>>gotten to the point where it's just hundreds of miles of
>>"DIE! YOU'RE GOING TO DIE DIE DIE! DO WHAT WE SAY OR
>>YOU'RE GOING TO DIE DIE DIE! DEATH! CARNAGE! DIE DIE
>>DIE!! DO WHAT WE SAY OR DIE DIE DIE!" which struck me as
>>just about as Republican as you can get.
And this would be about as Democrat as you can get:
WE SURRENDER! WE SURRENDER! WE SURRENDER! WHAT CAN WE DO TO APPEASE
YOU? WHAT CAN WE DO TO APPEASE YOU? WE'LL CONVERT! WE'LL CONVERT!
WE'LL CONVERT! IT'S OUR FAULT THAT YOU DON'T LIKE US! IT'S OUR FAULT
THAT YOU DON'T LIKE US! WE DON'T LIKE THE JEWS EITHER! WE DON'T LIKE
THE JEWS EITHER! WE DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS MUCH EITHER! WILL YOU HELP
US KILL ALL THOSE MEAN OLD REPUBLICANS? WE CAN'T BEAT THEM BY
OURSELVES! WE LOVE YOU OSAMA! VOTE DEMOCRATIC! WE SUBMIT! WE SUBMIT!
WE SUBMIT! WE SUBMIT! PLEASE DON'T HURT US! PLEASE DON'T HURT US! IF
WE WEAR BURQAS, WILL YOU PROMISE NOT TO CHOP OUR HEADS OFF? WHERE CAN
WE BUY NICE BURQAS? WHERE CAN WE BUY HALAL? WE LOVE YOU, OSAMA! WE
LOVE YOU OSAMA! WE LOVE YOU OSAMA! MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR! MAKE LOVE, NOT
WAR! MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR! WE LOVE YOU OSAMA! WE LOVE YOU OSAMA!
<spit>
Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:
[]
>Yes. And he's not the only one. Jack can't tell Sally and I apart,
Sure I can! You're the one sporting pink hair, a red Che Guevara
t-shirt, combat boots, and nipple rings the size of horseshoes!
And Sally's the one sporting pink hair, a red Che Guevara t-shirt,
combat boots, but no nipple rings (her husband has very sensitive
teeth)!
>Maybe Pfoley is *Jack's* sock-puppet?
Jack done need no steeeenkin' sock-puppets!
He's already got beaucoup grand-kids.
pfoley
> diddy wrote:
>
> > Ok I have horse, cow, deer, cat, possum, bear, coyote, cougar, moose and
> > elk skulls. what do you have?
>
> Small stuff, mostly. Box turtle, mouse, and vole skulls. Also, pig
> jaw bones (teeth intact but missing one tusk). And, the lower jaw
> bones (teeth intact), pelvic bones, and leg bones from something I
> haven't been able to identify. It's cat-sized, so there are a lot
> of possibilities.
>
> Somewhere I've got stacks and stacks of sketches and drawings of
> larger skulls, from when I was in school. One of my profs grew up
> on a farm out west, and saved all sorts of skulls from stuff like
> coyotes, buffalo, cattle, horses, etc. Also, large animal
> vertebrae, which are a lot of fun to draw.
>
> FYI for Pfoley, dog walking is a *great* opportunity for
> bone/carcass spotting, especially road-sides and wooded areas.
>
> --
> Shelly (Warning: see label for details)
> http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
> http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
Well, when I see my next road kill, I will definitely think of you. You
must have some lovely artwork hanging in your home. I paint also, but I
never once thought of roadkill as subject matter, nor would it be something
that I would want to photograph in order to get a more detailed idea of an
animal's skeleton; very morbid. There must be other ways you could find out
the bone structure of an animal without photographing dead ones. Your
animal art must be extremely detailed. But, who knows, maybe you will be
the next
Leonard De-Vinci of animal art.
shelly
> I paint also, but I
> never once thought of roadkill as subject matter, nor would it be something
> that I would want to photograph in order to get a more detailed idea of an
> animal's skeleton;
You should do as you see fit.
> very morbid.
It's not at all morbid.
> There must be other ways you could find out
> the bone structure of an animal without photographing dead ones.
Why would I want to do that? Examining the actual object is
generally the best approach. Considering that these animals are
already long dead, why not take advantage of the opportunity to go
right to the original source?
> Your animal art must be extremely detailed.
Nope. I do pencil/ink studies mostly, and have done a couple of
abstract paintings based on those studies.
The bones themselves usually end up *in* the artwork:
http://cat-sidh.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-903
http://cat-sidh.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-904
http://cat-sidh.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-363
http://cat-sidh.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1022
http://cat-sidh.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-331
> But, who knows, maybe you will be
> the next Leonard De-Vinci of animal art.
Hardly. My ego is pretty healthy, but I'm not *that* delusional.
Melinda Shore
pfoley <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>But, who knows, maybe you will be
>the next
>Leonard De-Vinci of animal art.
That should be "Lenny." I know Lenny. He hangs out at one
of the downtown bars and does caricatures for a buck
apiece. They're really pretty bad.
shelly
> That should be "Lenny." I know Lenny. He hangs out at one
> of the downtown bars and does caricatures for a buck
> apiece. They're really pretty bad.
Ow. Donut make me laugh when my head hurts. MeanyPants!
sighthounds & siberians
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
> >Yes. And he's not the only one. Jack can't tell Sally and I apart,
>
> Sure I can! You're the one sporting pink hair, a red Che Guevara
> t-shirt, combat boots, and nipple rings the size of horseshoes!
>
> And Sally's the one sporting pink hair, a red Che Guevara t-shirt,
> combat boots, but no nipple rings (her husband has very sensitive
> teeth)!
You are *such* an asshole.
Mustang Sally
shelly
> You are *such* an asshole.
I'm baffled at what on earth he thinks is wrong with pink hair, etc.
Being a freak sure as hell beats being an asshole!
Melinda Shore
In ever so many ways, but you've still got to credit him for
updating those tired church organist stereotypes.