Boston Terrier "Humping"
LDRS News Glo
Terrier, who is now 11 months. The problem was he was "humping" my two Pugs.
It's subsided a lot. He does, however, still try to do it to dogs at the park.
I have him on a 15 ft. lead, so I can monitor his behavior. Is there any trick
to making him stop this unacceptable behavior? Again, he's MUCH better at home.
He gets a LOT more supervised time with the other Pugs and he's behaving for
longer periods of time. The squirt bottle works wonders with him. I can tell
he's going to be a great dog. I've had 3 Bostons in the past and I've never had
this problem. JJ is larger than most Bostons, he's 28 lbs and will probaby get
a little bit bigger, he'll fill out. He's handsome, he's extremely playful. If
he were the only dog in the house, he'd be a wonderful little guy. I believe
he's also trying to establish some "top dog" issues. One good thing is none of
them fight, they're all GREAT dogs. Two Pugs and a Boston is a handful, but
once JJ gets over this...um..."hump" he'll be great. Advice about the humping
in the park would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Gloria
The Puppy Wizard
everyWON at the park... that'll subordinate him
pubicly and he won't do it noMOORE.
Better put lemon juice and vinegar in your squirt gun
in case he likes gettin humped and won't let you stop.
If he objects to you humpin his leg or won't let you
stop when you've finished, that means he's being
dominant so you'll need to train him:
sinofabitch writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> >> posts from two different people,
> >> took pieces of them out of context,
> >> cobbled them together,
> >> then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> >>and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> >> Which is exactly what he did.
> >> The actual quote is misleading
> >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
> >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
>
> >Here's Jerry's version
>
> > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
>
> >Here's yours;
>
> > "I dropped the leash, threw my
> > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> > grabbed her opposite foot with my
> > left hand, rolled her on her side,
> > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> > nipped her ear.
> > --Sara Sionnach
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"LDRS News Glo" <> wrote in message
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LDRS News Glo
Your posts are absolutely worthless. I see by reading other posts that that's
all you do all day is post worthless posts. LOL Go away, worthless.
Gloria
Perry Templeton
I have a female Boston who is spayed. But definitely has some humping, "I'm
top dog" issues.
Gotta love 'em.
But I have begun squelching the humping. At first it was infrequent and
minor, then went through a spell where it was all about humping.
If you have had other Bostons you know their personalities.
But I would think the main thing would be, especially in a male, neutered
vs. not neutered.
Perry
"LDRS News Glo" <ldrsn...@aol.com> wrote in message
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The Puppy Wizard
"Perry Templeton" <perr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> Is he neutered?
Surgical mutilation is no remedy for anxiHOWESNESS.
> I have a female Boston who is spayed.
You also got a DEAD DOG from eatin Gorilla Glue.
> But definitely has some humping, "I'm top dog" issues.
THAT'S INSANE.
Humpin is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.
Dominance is a HUMAN trait. Your dominance
in PUNISHING your DEAD DOG Maggie for
STEALIN STUFF TAUGHT HER to STEAL
STUFF as soon as you're not standing there
to HURT and INTIMIDATE her.
> Gotta love 'em.
You're DEAD DOG Maggie would be ALIVE
had you learned NOT to HURT and INTIMIDATE
her to teach her not to STEAL STUFF.
> But I have begun squelching the humping.
Well, S-HOWENDS like YOU GOT THE SAME PROBLEM.
> At first it was infrequent and minor, then went
> through a spell where it was all about humping.
THAT'S a result of your ineffective inapupriate
fear force and intimidation methods to CON-TROLL
her anxiHOWES obsessive behaviors.
> If you have had other Bostons you know their personalities.
A dog is a dog, you doGgamened MENTAL CASE.
> But I would think the main thing would be,
Learnin HOWE to make your dogs HAPPY and CALM.
> especially in a male,
A dog is a dog.
> neutered vs. not neutered.
Well, HOWE COME a spayed female humps?
> Perry
Your a dog abusing mental case who got the
same same same same PROBLEM for the
same same same same REASON.
> "LDRS News Glo" <> wrote in message
> news:20040919101339...@mb-m29.aol.com...
>
> > I wrote a few weeks ago
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ: "DECENT
PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS."
And it's TRUE. Read The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
Archives on Google. Only dog abusers liars and
mental cases post here abHOWET dog behavior
PROBLEMS.
> > about my problem
INDEED. REMEMBER THAT.
All behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> > with my new 10 month old Boston Terrier,
A dog is a dog.
> > who is now 11 months.
Any dog by three weeks of age has all the
BRAIN he needs to learn anything you got
the INTELLECT to train.
> > The problem was he was "humping" my two Pugs.
Humpin is a SYMPTOM of STRESS. We recently
had a thread abHOWET humping. Seems MOST
of HOWER DOG LOVER'S dogs DO that for the
same same same same REASONS:
They're INTIMIDATED by their abusers.
> > It's subsided a lot.
That so? You mean you STILL got the PROBLEM
for the SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON it started.
> > He does, however, still try to do it to dogs at the park.
Well, THAT'S on accHOWENT of you can't hurt and
intimidate him IN FRONT OF DECENT PEOPLE as
you PREFER to do in the PRIVACY of your own HOWES.
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
is here to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
the lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and active
long term incurable MENTAL CASES who HURT
and INTIMDATE their dogs and THEN WONDER
HOWE COME they CAN'T FORCE CON-TROLL
when their dog is HOWETA RANGE of gettin HURT.
> > I have him on a 15 ft. lead, so I can monitor his behavior.
RIGHT. THAT'S HOWE COME you CAN'T TRAIN HIM.
> > Is there any trick
The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't TRICK dogs.
> > to making him stop this unacceptable behavior?
You CANNOT "make him stop" any unacceptable behavior.
> > Again, he's MUCH better at home.
Yeah. That's where you can hurt and intimidate
him withHOWET EMBARRASSMENT.
> > He gets a LOT more supervised time with the other Pugs
IOW, you've got to keep them SEPARATED.
> > and he's behaving for longer periods of time.
BWEEEAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
You MEAN, you're VARIABLY REINFORCING his BAD behavior.
> > The squirt bottle works wonders with him.
Aversives CAUSE dogs to DO those behaviors
when you're not able to HURT and INTIMIDATE
them.
> > I can tell he's going to be a great dog.
If you don't make him viciHOWES.
> > I've had 3 Bostons in the past and I've never had
> > this problem. JJ is larger than most Bostons, he's
> > 28 lbs and will probaby get a little bit bigger, he'll
> > fill out. He's handsome, he's extremely playful.
That EXXXTREME playfulness is HYPERACTIVITY.
> > If he were the only dog in the house, he'd
> > be a wonderful little guy.
That so?
> > I believe he's also trying to
> > establish some "top dog" issues.
You mean he's INSECURE on accHOWENT
of YOU PUNISH and INTIMIDATE and EMBARRASS
him in front of the other dogs on accHOWENT
of you don't have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog even after
The Amazing Puppy Wizard and all HIS 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students told you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot.
> > One good thing is none of them fight,
They WILL if you CONtinue molesting him.
> > they're all GREAT dogs.
They're AFRAID of you.
> > Two Pugs and a Boston is a handful,
THAT'S on accHOWENT of they're ILL TRAINED.
> > but once JJ gets over this...um..."hump"
JJ AIN'T got nuthin to GET OVER. YOU are his problem.
> > he'll be great.
That so?
> > Advice about the humping in the park
> > would be much appreciated.
Your use of aversives REQUIRES CONSTANT
AVERSION until lthe PROBLEM is EXXXTINGUISHED.
That MEANS, ANY instance of NOT REPRESSING
the behavior will VARIABLY REINFORCE it, and you'll
NEVER TRAIN HIM NOT TO DO IT unless you're ABLE
to HURT and INTIMIDATE HIM EVERY TIME HE DOES IT.
> > Thanks.
So, even WON moment of HUMPIN will REINFORCE it.
> > Gloria
THAT MEANS, you'll NEVER SUCCEED.
And THAT MEANS, your dog will FEAR YOU.
And THAT'S HOWE COME dogs ATTACK.
GOOD LUCK.
Subject: Re: The vet called, Maggie died.
Date: 2003-05-26 08:03:34 PST
HOWEDY bentcajungirl,
"bentcajungirl" <perr...@bellsouth.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> My world seems so empty.....
Like mikey sez, "you'll get over it," just like HOWE
The Puppy Wizzzard did. LUCKY thing we got ed
w of PET LOSS DOT CON.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite
Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal
Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll
Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."
> When I left her last night,
Poisoned, near death, at the vet? The vet who refused
to see her till you kept INSISTING she was SICK?
> I looked in those sweet eyes and I felt so bad...
Well, you shoulda taught her to not steal stuff.
> she's never slept away from home,
She didn't come back from the vet...
> under the covers with me.
Like mikey sez, "you'll get over it."
> I am not the poetic writer that some of you are,
You mean like ed w of PET LOSS dot CON? He'll
be along no dHOWET, to beg some change off you
for a nice cyber memorial. eddie likes fifties, just so
you'll know. It's a full time job warnin folks abHOWET
The Puppy Wizzzard's DANGERHOWES and INEFFECTIVE
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method manual...
> but my heart aches.
Oh, INDEEDY! It's a LUCKY THING you got PLENTY
of company here who've been through the same same
same same because they won't stop trying to hurt and
intimidate their dogs to train them not to do stuff.
That's HOWE COME eddie recommends koehelr and
LIES abHOWET The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE 100%
safe, EZ, FAST, proven effective methods.
That's HOWE COME dogs DO THAT when you turn
your back on them. YOU KILLED MAGGIE.
The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't FEEL SORRY for
your dog Maggie. Maggie is a POSTER CHILD
for The Puppy Wizzzard's WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual. Maggie is gonna save
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and believe that we don't got to HURT and
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DOG Maggie...
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> Perry
> bentcajungirl
From: bentcajungirl (perr...@bellsouth.nospam.net)
Subject: Re: All over
Date: 2003-04-03 14:48:43 PST
Too bad spaying/castration isn't mandatory for stupid humans.
Makes you
want to scream. My kids always thought I was the meanest thing
around, but
now that they are grown and out of
the house (27 and 20 yo) they always tell me how rotten kids
are in the grocery, doctor's office, etc.
Perry
bentcajungirl
==========================
> bentcajungirl
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witse...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
=========================
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpa...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out
of a cat bowl without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls
although Roz licks up any bits that have been
dropped around the bowls :-)
I used a can with stones in it to create a
distraction anytime the dogs tried to eat
the cats food, followed with immediate praise.
It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually
there is food left over but the dogs don't eat it,
even if we go out and leave the dogs with
access inside through a dog door.
Paul
--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html
Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!
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"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
> I do know she's not here with us. I really
> can't blame anyone here for her loss.
> I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did
> it because of how you write/wrote. I was
> unwilling to accept the idea that my using
> a shock collar could have any bearing on
> Peach not wanting to stay home.
> Up until I started using it my main concern
> had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
> Once I started using the e-fence...well, then
> my concern became how to keep them from
> running off for days on end.
> I lost valuable training time becoming
> embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
> the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
> the world now <g>
> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is
> completely housetrained, doesn't chew
> up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark
> all the time.
> IOW a great companion and friend.
> Thanks Jerry!
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"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence
> this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We
> now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence,
> not want to come back in the yard and would
> run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come
> back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn
> how to train my dog. She is now border trained.
> A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to
> stay in the yard.
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can
> stop her from chasing cats and she no longer
> cringes when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much
> I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't
> get a regular fence then you need to train your
> dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to
> keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
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"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry has taken the time to help me out
> off the NG. I have a very loud cockatoo
> who has been having problems adjusting
> to my 8 month old son.
> Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use
> Buddy's cage as a hold on for dear life
> object.
> Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior
> to Joey.. my older two boys went through
> this stage in a different house where
> Buddy had his own room and the boys
> had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
> Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny"
> humans. Joey has been driving him nuts!
> He showed his disapproval by non-stop
> screaming. A cockatoo scream can be
> heard a block away with all the widows
> shut <g> being in the house it makes
> your ears pop and your nerves crawl.
> Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent
> instructions on how to use it. He answered
> my questions quite politely.
> I have been using the DDR in my kitchen
> ( where Buddy is located~ teensy 4 room
> house) for 3 weeks.
> At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's
> behavior. Then I realized after a week that
> he no longer screamed for hours on end.
> This isn't to say he stopped completely <bg>
> he still demands his share of all meals. But
> he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when
> he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.
> Last week he had a day where he screamed
> all day. My nerves were frazzled. I went to
> turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's
> instructions. I discovered the DDR was shut off!
> I turned it back on and left it on the lowest
> setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit
> screaming.
> In the time that I've had the DDR on I've
> had a lot of c*ts come to my house. One I
> adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
> He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means
> c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids
> and Zelda.
> I may not like how Jerry treats other posters
> but I do like the methods he shares. Being
> on a limited budget I like things that are free.
> I also like the fact that I can e-mail
> him and get advice whenever I need it.
> Even my DH who is a technical minded
> kind of guy thinks the DDR is working.
> ( He went to Devry and has a degree in
> electronics, knows alot about radios and
> anything mechanical... he's a jack of all
> trades around the house <g>). He does
> NDT for a living.
> We don't expect to need the DDR forever..
> As soon as Joey is walking, Buddy will
> realize that he's not a strange animal..
> some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.
==============================
<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading
> his posts and watching him extract his soggy
> foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2
> naive childs come forward and actually
> believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two
naive childs since I freely admit to having
read and, I hope, understood enough of the
manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you
to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with
a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had
been posting earlier, maybe we would not have
had to hold the head of a really magnificent
animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until
he gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can
terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is
believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use
their real names.
Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better
than those that have studied and lived by their
craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are.
Really stupid is believing that people like
Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like
fools. Why do you act like fools? I really
have no idea, and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come
> forward and actually admit to buying and
> having success with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's
day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for
their use and testing. You would never believe
the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
> coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
> is sure to be coming to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen
to the box first?)
The Puppy Wizard
"Perry Templeton" <perr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> Is he neutered?
You got the same problem with your FEMALE dog.
> I have a female Boston who is spayed.
Here's your CASE HISTORY:
Subject: Re: Upsurge of hormones after spaying?
Date: 2004-05-16 19:27:55 PST
HOWEDY tara o. aka tee,
Don't FORGET, tara o. aka tee MURDERED
her own DEAD DOG Summer for FEAR AGGRESSION
of SMALL CHILDREN.
"Tee" <crappol...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> "Perry Templeton" <perr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:RsNpc.10852$yF6....@bignews5.bellsouth.net... .
> > My youngster mixed breed, mostly Rat with
> > some Boston terrier (terrorist) was spayed
> > 2 weeks ago.
On accHOWENT of you couldn't handle and train her.
> > I know, I know, she's a terrier.
A dog is a dog. All behavior problems
are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not
breed hormones or genes.
> > But in the last couple of days, she has
> > been particularly aggressive.
The dog is seven months old and
has been ABUSED since day WON.
> > She and our other dog play constantly,
> > and it has always been good natured
> > banter and bitey face, one or the other
> > laying on top of their playmate.. lots of
> > tumbling, running and general rough-housing.
IOW, they're inapupriately handled.
> > But in the last couple of days, the youngster
> > "tone" has changed. And especially since
> > we threw new toys in the mix.
Dogs are taught aggression greed and
fear by fearsome greedy aggressive ABUSERS.
> > The little one, gets snitty, raises her upper
> > lip in a ugly, aggressive expression and
> > doesn't back down.
While perry aka bentcajungirl stands there
like a big dumb marlmaluke. Like yourself,
tara o. aka tee.
> > The playmate, a Boston, who is usually top dog,
IOW, her MENTALLY ILL DOG ABUSING
caretaker doesn't know HOWE to handle
and train her dogs no damn better than you.
> > replies with a "I'm really going to kick
> > your ass in lightning speed" kind of tone.
Perhaps she should spray them with the
garden hose like you do, tara o. aka tee,
at least till it's time to hurt and murder them
someMOORE?
> > I'm wondering if A. the youngster has a
> > surge of hormonal activity since her surgery.
That's INSANE. Every thing was taken HOWET.
> > (kind> of the body adjusting and not
> > getting it quite right yet)
Neutering CAUSES FEAR AGGRESSION
in 15% of critters unnecessarily inapupriately
mutilated.
> > B. Is she just trying to move up the rank?
THAT'S INSANE.
The dog is AFRAID. All aggression is FEAR.
> > C. or is it just some adolescent behavior,
BWEEEAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
> > and just like any "kid" she's pushing her
> > luck every which way she can.
Any "kid" who "pushes their LUCK" has
been MISANDLED and ABUSED by like
minded ABUSERS as yourselves.
> > How much should I intervene?
BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
That'll make them MOORE fearful cause
all perry aka bentcajungirl knows is to
PUNISH and SCOLD BRIBE and AVOID.
> It may very well be all of the above.
THAT'S INSANE. ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> The age is right for challenging behavior.
That's a load of crap. The so called adolescent
rebelliHOWES stage is CAUSED by REPRESSION.
> The hormones are still leaving the body and,
Therefor they should be REDUCED, not increased.
> as a woman
You mean as a mother of a first grader
taking anti psychotic medications who
likeWIZE MURDERED your own DEAD
DOG Summer for FEAR AGGRESSION
of small children cause you locked IT in
a box and punished IT when the neighborhood
kids visited your own child.
> I think most of us can relate to hormonal
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
You cannot blame your own MENTAL ILLNESS
on HORMONES cause your HORMONES go
HOWETA WHACK cause you're a goddamned
PSYCHOPATH.
> changes & their behavioral effects.
Those "changes" are CAUSED by bein
a psychopath.
> I'd let the Boston handle the youngster
You mean let them fight it HOWET.
Perhaps they should do that while
under supervision of the garden hose
as you ordinarily unsuccessfully attempt
to break dog fighting?
> except for things that you feel are general
> household rules that need to be reinforced.
BWEEEAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
> If she's trying to adjust her position in the home
THAT'S INSANE. That's the alphalpha BUNK again.
> then you'll have to let her work that out
> with the other dog.
BWEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
They could kill each other.
> Give it a couple of weeks and see what happens.
Unless perry aka bentcajungirl MURDERS
WON of them herself first, cause she's AFRAID,
as any RESPONSIBLE dog lover here abHOWETS
would do to save their dog from being hurt.
> Tara
Oh, bye the bye, you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamened MOORE
cause you're a dog abuser a liar and
a doGgamened MENTAL CASE.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without
physical contact and she does seem to listen
better than when I would praise with it. I agree
that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from
her since I started the Witts End.
"MaryBeth" <marb...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:3cfcdcfb$2...@news.teranews.com...
>
> "MaryBeth" <marb...@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
> wrote in message
>
> > Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M.
> > Holmes ?????
>
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie
> M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
>
> MB <G>
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holm...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.
All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to separate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out
of the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the
guy is pretty clever, you're letting him get
under your skin.
It makes for a very amusing game I think.
I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't
be playing everyday.
He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.
I have changed her from an aggressive dog
to one who is willing to please her owner,
willing to listen, willing to assume her role
in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?
Friday, 5/31/02:
HOWEDY Valerie,
"Valerie M. Holmes" <Holm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:vVAJ8.14474$LC3.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
...
> I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old
> dalmatian from a no-kill shelter.
Nice goin.
> She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally
> she has some socialization issues to overcome.
Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time
shouldn't have problems associated with it if the facility
was reasonable, and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't
be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson
and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE.
> My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these
> issues. .
Don't worry about it! I got all the answers and none
of the calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything
Jerry sez and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership card,
secret password, secret
decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,
secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
member's benefits, and secret Contract Signed
In Werewoof And Elf Blood with a lifetime
GUARANTEE NEVER to have a dog behavior
problem again and your dog will ALWAYS
WANT to do as you ask.
IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER! Stick around...
> 1. She is aggresive toward **ALL** other dogs,
Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here. I hope you're fit,
dog training is a physical skill not easily learned through
books, the written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.
Every dog is an individual, and we got to SEE the behaviors to
even GUESS what's going on with
your dog. THEN we got to formulate a training
program based on the individual dog's requirements
for physical and emotional PRESSURE and learn
the fine art of attrition and have the expertise to hurt
your dog PRECICELY, and ONLY WHEN NECESSARY.
But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order. Any sudden changes in
behavior needs to be examined by the
veterinarian and he'll be able to give you a referral
to such an expert who knows HOWE and when to
HURT your dog properly to make it friendly or advise
you when to KILL IT TO BE FAIR.
So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make an appointment in 15
days to put your dog to sleep.
Ask him HOWE MUCH. Hang up the phone and
SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!
SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into an
envelope with your dog's name PRINTED on it
in UPPER CASE thingys.
MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE BANK, SPEAK
NOTHING!, and withdraw ONLY NEW BILLS!
If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP GOIN!
We need CLEAN MONEY for this SACRIFICE.
When you accept this money DO NOT TOUCH!
HAVE THE TELLER PUT THE BILLS INTO THE
ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.
ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME
ON THE BACK,
Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression.
Hand the teller a note. DON'T SPEAK!
NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE
SACRIFICIAL ENVELOPE IN UPPER
CASE THINGY'S.
Now you can speak, but don't, nobody
will believe you. Trust me. Take the
envelope to your HOWES and put it
inside your pillow case and FORGET
ABOUT IT. Don't need that for two weeks yet.
> even dogs that have shown that they are
> willing to be submissive.
Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand doggietalkie.
You mean she attacks other dogs, boys, girls,
puppys, all dogs? Good. That tells me we
consistency going for us to fix it.
When does she get an opportunity to have a dog cower?
> Upon sight of a dog, she lunges and snarls.
O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can
probably break the lunging in a few minutes
of work. Maybe five, but we'll need to repeat
it a few times to generalize the idea.
And we'll need to do a little work to learn to
handle her properly, maybe an hour over
several 15 minute sessions and a half dozen
5 minute sessions. I hope your ciphering is
keepin up with us.
> 2. She is usually kind and affectionate
> toward her owner (me),
Well, usually? I don't like usually. I like always,
consistent, 100%, that's what's good. Always
consistent. Consistent behaviors change to
other, often seemingly un related, consistent
behaviors.
Dogs like consistency too, but not repression.
You'll see.
> but recently began turning sour
Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest of
the problem is as I thought, JUST a little
mishandling. I'll teach you every thing you
need to know. We're about half way
done training aready. WATCH!
> and for no apparent reason
All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE
direct result of our ineffective and inappropriate
responses to our dog's innate normal natural
instinctive reflexive responses to circumstances
of their environment WE create for them.
I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to respond
differently to your dog's instinctive reflexes to you,
which will cause your dog to reflex differently to
your CONDITIONED reflexive responses and
interactions towards him, compelling him
to NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING
you ask, cause THAT'S THE NATURE OF
THE BEAST.
Once YOU have learned proper handling techniques
and appropriate non physical control through conditioned
distraction and praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe
less,) you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning and desensitization
techniques and demonstrated self
control as explained in our Contract.. err, your
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com .
Ahem.
Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION dog that's
gonna throw Jerry the dew claw. Don't let that happen.
I'll work you through the whole process and you'll see
results tommorow.
You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should be
ready to start introducing her to a couple select
dogs in about fifteen minutes of work and then
we'll repeat that again a couple times and again
with a couple moore dogs and then we'll be
ready to start with the first dog again for the off
lead introduction and you're DONE.
Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez we're gonna
need a couple moore days to work this introduction
business till the aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract,
I'm err, shall we say OUTTA HERE FOREVER?
Of course I could handle this a lot faster in person
myself cause I can control you and your dog to insure
the result, so nobody's got to do nothin noHOWE,
but speak when I ask, and hush as I speak and relish
each word like candy you'd eat, and jump when I say,
ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and tout tributes to
Jerry's manual whenever you open your mouth...
That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope you don't
faint at the sight of blood. WE got to sign a contract.
HOWE MUCH do you want this dog to turn out
PERFECT in about two weeks? I'm willing to...shall
we say STAKE my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it???
BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> and...
And NUTHIN. I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME
OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!
You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and sing
for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...I'll stop at
at nuthin to save your dog's life, include sell the souls
of my dog and my wife, to prove there's no way to make
a dog lover right. I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's
lives, I'll fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears. They
been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs and now I
got them all by their balls in my jaws...
Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just
make me laugh.
I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.
> snarls toward me!
Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once
you learn to handle her like any of my students.
> This has completely destroyed the trust
What trust? The trust established with your
choke collar and corrections?
Don't worry about a thing. WE got a
CONTRACT. Remember?
> we were building over the past month.
BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
Got me laughin in Spanish and I don't even speak
Spanish.
> 3. She deals with visitors,
Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy. Don't
worry about it. I'm the only game in town. I got the deal
and Jerry don't make no deals... Well not no moore,
since I'm temporarily HOWETA... mmm, currency.
Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer to
hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours trying to show the
dog HOWE to live instead of forcing IT to
choose the degree of pain it prefers to tolerate in
between spurts of life, anxiety, and repression.
> but is very anxious around people she doesn't know.
Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being
aggressive cause she's shy, or maybe just from back
when a puppy jumpin up onto a guest and gettin kneed
in the chest or toes stepped on or alphaphalpha rolled
and growled into their throat pr just SCRUFF SHAKE
and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin CHUKED and
bit on the ears till they piss themselves or jerked and
choked on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or
burned with a medical grade static like stimulation device
or containment system like our dog lovers at k9 web and
cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooron recommend TO ENHANCE THE
BOND between 'trainer' and dog.
Our traditional training methods are what's making
your dog turn on you for hurting and scaring her during
her meetings with other dogs. Our pal lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn and janet boss recommend pronged
spiked pinch choke and shock and citronella collars
for training this kind of dog... and they'd rather not put
IT through all that when there's SO MANY dogs that
are deserving of their HELP. And then they'll deny
it, despite it's archived FOREVER.
You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.
> At first she would scream if a stranger petted
> her with 2 hands.
I'd probably come real close to dropping the
hammer on them myself. My dogs will bite
you if a stranger meeting us put their hands
on us in a restraining manner. We don't like that.
Trust me. Strangers touching us means we got
to run and find an adult or a policeman. RIGHT?
Either that or...
> I just don't trust her around anyone yet.
Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my training methods and
then we don't got to worry about what
the heel the dog cares... who the heel's the
goddamned trainer, you or the dog?
THE DOG!
You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to his
needs properly and then he'll reflex to his natural
instinct and be able to use his dog skills as part
of your family pack, equally with you and the other
family members.
Every thing you've been taught about handling your dog
is DEAD WRONG and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog behavior industry
for bringing us every dog behavior problem we've got.
> 4. She lunged at my sisters 2 year old
$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for
me aren't ya, pullin the fear/guilt double high
card trump tryin to make Old Jerry roll over
and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???
NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!
IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE YOU,
DOG LOVERS!!!
> the same way she lunged toward other
> dogs, aggressively.
Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!!
BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> I really really like this dog,
THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs on general principle and
individual dogs on merit and don't like
nobody no moore than me...and mine. You got your
copy of The Contract?
Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are
comin through this alive... sort of, in a sense.
> when she is calm and able to relax.
Vs what? I would like to know when she's not
calm and able to relax... tell us what she's doin.
THOSE are the anxiety relief mechanisms WE
need to deal with so I can fulfill OUR Contract
and... finish you off, and that little dog too!
> I want to keep her,
LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract.
Haven't we?
> but I don't really know what the best way
> to establish the necessary trust.
Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS
here. Let me INTRODUCE you around?
> Any ideas out there?
Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to
another forum. Weren't you, dog lovers?
We'll introduce our new found friends later.
Right now our OP's got some studying to do
before she has an accident cause she won't
know HOWE to handle her lead to stop
triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin
time with dog abusers who jerk and choke
dogs.
That's moore then half of what gets IT angry.
Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.
I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND. Jerry.
j;~)
Nevyn writes:
Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive
had with your training manual! My two mutts have
gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND
My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!
I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female
today and she was being an angel after like an hour
of working with her! it is AMAZING!!
I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)
Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
================
Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.
Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.
Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn
Nevyn says:
How are you?
Jerry says:
sup?
Nevyn says:
Oh nothing
Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!
Jerry says:
fine
Jerry says:
tell me
Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@%
about other
dogs
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
Yup
Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?
Nevyn says:
No
Nevyn says:
Praised them
Jerry says:
ahh!
Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better
Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears
at them and
pours water on them
Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!
Nevyn says:
muahaha
Jerry says:
ok
Jerry says:
I'll go for that
Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if
you're
consistent
Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them
Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends
Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath
Nevyn says:
muahahaha
Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind
teat?
Nevyn says:
eh
Nevyn says:
nah
Nevyn says:
cant
Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin
Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it
Jerry says:
why not.
Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server
Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would
prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?
Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't
already know,
huh?
Nevyn says:
hah
Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die
Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much
Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now
Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?
Nevyn says:
pfftt
Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training
Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual
Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!
Jerry says:
hhahahahaha
Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING
you're
wanting them to do?
Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.
Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and
LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???
Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Nevyn says:
LOL
Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!
Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune
=====================
Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL
Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!
Nevyn says:
lol
Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.
Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------
From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST
Hello
I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly
are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes)
x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don't laugh!).
They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home
with them, and they are friendly with unknown
people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant
over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;
Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they
are very good whilst I'm walking them, some
days they are not. They are 3 years old and
have only been walking for about 12 months
because my mom didn't walk them and now
I'm home so I walk them for about an hour
and half every afternoon. I take them to the
park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.
This is my problem :
The less-dominant dog viscously barks at
every other dog we walk past; I have tried
using a stick and giving her a tap when
she does it, and treating her with treats
when she doesn't, using a choke chain,
a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff
in her mouth when she barks.
She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]
Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know
this is WRONG, when the other dog barks,
she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other
dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then
the barking one attacks the more-dominant
one and they fight on the leash... it is
quite disturbing to the people walking past.
And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores
them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday.
The less dominant one I must keep on a
leash if a person brings there dog to the park.
How do I stop them attacking other dogs?
I have tried all the methods I have used
above for 10 months every afternoon.
Is it just a pack-behaviour thing?
It can really be quite embarrassing when your
dogs attack some old lady's or little girl's dog.
They are good dogs, when at home or when
there are no other dogs around. Today there
were hundreds of sparrows flying around the
park and they were chasing them and jumping
up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes
(They went straight to bed when I bought them home!).
Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails
address, ali...@wasp.net.au coz this list is
tooo crowded.
Thanks,
Nevyn
The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who
isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds,
especially on a long term basis, and it's
not pretty. You become another person, if
it's not the correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."
--MaryBeth
"I noticed that antidepressants cut
libido into the dead zone and I had no
real emotions, like not laughing at funny
stuff, couldn't cry either.....except
about my suicidal thoughts (but at the
time I thought there was no other way out)."
--MaryBeth
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today. I talked with RE and pharmacist
re: zoloft (50 mg daily) and ineraction
with Clomid.
They reported none. Not sure about the
prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to
intorduce myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself>
<G>
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
lost many many treasured ppl and things.
Please don't do the same.
(((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the
TKR, as 'it really wasn't that
bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so
bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
gone thru"
--MaryBeth
FurPaw
I wish I had the answer, Gloria! I have an 8 year old yellow lab who
was neutered at 9 months, and he is still Mr. Hormones!
Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous reddish-brown and tan
mixed female (part lab, weim?, something with pricked ears?). She was
spayed and a year old. After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try
to entice him to play and body-slammed him a couple of times. He
started to try to hump the little flirt - and not just the sideways air
humps that he tries on our GSD - he was grabbing her around the waist.
I yanked him off and put him in a sit - several times. But this
shameless little hussy kept backing up to him with her tail in sideways
position - an invitation if I've ever seen one!
Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious... but we sure don't
know what to do about Mr. Hormones' behavior!
FurPaw
--
"In a sense, we are hallucinating all the time.
What we call normal vision is our selecting the
hallucination that best fits reality."
- V. S. Ramachandran
To reply, unleash the dog
The Puppy Wizard
"FurPaw" <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:47WdneMTJ_9...@comcast.com...
> LDRS News Glo wrote:
> > I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with
> > my new 10 month old Boston Terrier, who is now
> > 11 months.
And she's wrtiting AGAIN for THE SAME PROBLEM.
> > The problem was he was "humping" my two Pugs.
The PROBLEM is LDRS is a IMBECILE.
<snip idiocy>
> I wish I had the answer, Gloria!
You've NEVER had a "answer," funky foots.
IN FACT, your own dogs have had EVERY
behavior problem in creation.
> I have an 8 year old yellow lab who
> was neutered at 9 months, and he is
> still Mr. Hormones!
Your dog is HYPERACTIVE on accHOWENT
of you're a DOG ABUSER, funky foots.
> Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous
> reddish-brown and tan mixed female (part lab, weim?,
> something with pricked ears?). She was spayed and
> a year old. After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try
> to entice him to play and body-slammed him a couple
> of times. He started to try to hump the little flirt - and
> not just the sideways air humps that he tries on our
> GSD - he was grabbing her around the waist.
>
> I yanked him off and put him in a sit - several times.
Well THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN
your dog NOT to DO that, dog abuser.
> But this shameless little hussy kept backing
> up to him with her tail in sideways position -
> an invitation if I've ever seen one!
You've probably never had WON.
> Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious...
> but we sure don't know what to do about Mr.
> Hormones' behavior!
You're a MENTAL CASE, funky foots.
> FurPaw
Subject: Re: 8 month old misbehaving
Date: 2004-04-08 18:35:59 PST
HOWEDY funky foots,
Doesn't it ever EMBARRASS you that your own
dogs have had EVERY behavior problem in
creation cause you don't have the intellect to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog?
"FurPaw" <furpaw...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Vd-dnRI1eOK...@comcast.com...
> Bill F wrote:
>
> > Looking for more suggestions on how to appropriately
> > correct misbehaviors as well as moral support.
>
> FWIW, our GSD, Dylan, was very destructive when
> she was a pup. When we were out of the house we
> kept her confined in a pen in a small room, with toys
> and chewies.
>
> One time when we came home she proudly presented
> us with the pieces of carpet that she'd ripped up (it was
> very old carpeting). She was around ten months old.
>
> And one time we tried confining Oppie (Lab) in the
> bathroom when we went out for a couple of hours.
> We returned to a door that was deeply gouged
> with his claw marks.
>
> He'd also tried to climb out the window (closed
> and locked) and bent up the aluminum miniblinds.
>
> Our mistake was that we hadn't adapted him to
> the bathroom.
>
> Stupid Mommy Dog!
>
> We took the tactic that other posters have suggested,
> that is, don't give the dogs the opportunity to be destructive
> by confining them with interesting toys and not much else.
>
> Sometimes, despite your best efforts, they manage
> to destroy anyhow, but mostly they'll sleep.
>
> The good news was that both dogs were out of their
> destructive phase by the time they were about a year
> and a half old.
>
> Good luck with yours...
>
> FurPaw
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
LDRS News Glo
<< But I would think the main thing would be, especially in a male, neutered
I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he was neutered about 3 weeks
ago, a day before I got him. I think that's part of the problem, he's still
feeling his "oats". It has tapered significantly around the house. The problem
now is taking him to the park. I hate it when he starts humping the other dogs,
especially the small ones. Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes
it as a game and goes back. I'm sure it will stop as he matures, I just thought
someone would have a suggestion for now when I take him to the park. Thanks,
Perry.
Gloria
LDRS News Glo
<< THAT'S INSANE. >><BR><BR>
No, YOU'RE insane. Go away.<< You're DEAD DOG Maggie would be ALIVE
had you learned NOT to HURT and INTIMIDATE >><BR><BR>
You are one sick bastard, wimp-wizard. Go away.
<< A dog is a dog. >><BR><BR>
You oughta know, wimp-wizard. Go away.
<< Any dog by three weeks of age has all the
You oughta know, wimp-limp-wizard. Go away.
<< THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard >><BR><BR>
Go back to the ward, bubba. Your medication awaits.
Gloria
LDRS News Glo
Medicate yourself, wimp-limp-wizard. You'll feel MUCH better.
LDRS News Glo
<< Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious... but we sure don't
Thanks for the reply, FurPaw. Unfortunately, some owners don't think it's so
funny. There MUST be a book addressing this issue somewhere.
Gloria
FurPaw
Killfile this guy and above all don't respond to him. His biggest
thrill is getting a rise out of someone.
The Puppy Wizard
"FurPaw" <> wrote in message
news:pMudnX0-Cro...@comcast.com...
> LDRS News Glo wrote:
>
> > << From: "The Puppy Wizard" >><BR><BR>
> > << BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! >><BR><BR>
> > Medicate yourself, wimp-limp-wizard. You'll feel MUCH better.
> >
> Killfile this guy and above all don't respond to him.
Furpaw
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
> His biggest thrill is getting a rise out of someone.
From: FurPaw (furpa...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: OT:urk..cat poop
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Date: 2002-07-03 16:23:10 PST
Frankenmel wrote:
> <gross alert>
<snip>
yecchh! Now, why was he demanding that YOU clean it up?
Once I had a housemate who acquired a stray cat while I was on
vacation. Before I knew about the cat, when I walked into the
bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn, Sarah must not have
done laundry for WEEKS!" Shortly after that, I spotted the cat.
Further investigation revealed that the damned cat had been
sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's shoes. MINE.
Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm allergic and he
was treading on thin ice in that domain already. He clinched it
a couple of days later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom
(now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white Shepherd mix)
came trotting around the corner. Cat freaked, clawed and bit me.
Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter the next
day. (I would have had the same reaction if the dog had bit me.)
FurPaw
------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
> FurPaw
That's not the only critter you've murdered.
From: FurPaw (furpaw...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: dog ripping up cushion
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2003-05-16 07:58:16 PST
Clearly punishing your dog isn't working. And probably
never will. So I'd suggest you try a different tactic. You
don't have to yell and hit in order to get your dog to behave
well. But you may have to be a little more creative.
You've gotten him afraid of you+cushion, but not afraid of
cushion. So remove the cushion, so that the temptation is
no longer there, until you can get other aspects of his behavior
working with you. Does he have "interesting" toys to keep him
occupied, like a Kong stuffed with peanut butter, or a Hava-Ball
filled with treats for him to extract?
If your dog is only "good" when you're "not his friend"
it sound like you've managed to teach him to be afraid
of you.
If he's peeing when you're shouting, he's afraid of you.
That's submissive peeing. Is that the relationship you
want with your dog?
How much time do you spend together? How much
exercise do you give him? How many hours a day is
he alone? It sounds to me like he may be bored;
our GSD was pretty destructive at that age until we
rearranged our schedule and spent more time playing
and exercising her.
Have you tried obedience training? Did you take your
dog to any classes to train both you and the dog?
Having an ongoing program of *positive* (no punishment)
training with your dog might go a long ways in improving
his behavior and your relationship with him.
There are a lot of good books on training your dog out
there. I used and like Brian Kilcommons' "Good Owners,
Great Dogs", but there are others that are more recent
and that emphasize clicker training.
I'm not a dog trainer, so others will be along with
more specific suggestions for you.
FurPaw
From: FurPaw (furpaw...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: de-lurking with puppy questions
Date: 2003-07-19 13:33:18 PST
Karlee in Kansas wrote:
> I've been reading here for a while (long enough to figure
> out the resident troll anyway) and have a few questions
> about my puppy
>
> I have an 7 month old Pomeranian puppy, adorable as
> all get out, but she won't play.
<snip>
Hi, Karlee -
Looks like your thread got hijacked :-(
I don't have a lot to contribute, except to say that some dogs
don't seem to have the play drive that others do. My male
chihuahua, Gordo, played with his sister as a puppy, but wouldn't
play with us, except to fetch. He's very submissive, and even
the most gentle approaches to play got him cowering. He and his
sister still play now and then (at age 12), but only if they
think no one is watching them. Weird. He does like to chew on
rawhide, however.
Is your dog's regular food kibble or soft food? If you could
induce her to eat a bit of kibble, maybe that would be a start on
the teeth problem.
She sounds like a sweetie!
FurPaw
_michael 2.76
> Go back to the ward, bubba. Your medication awaits.
> Gloria
Hello Gloria,
there is no shame in using medication for mental problems.
in fact, a large proportion of our "regulars" have serious
mental problems, but they deserve respect and understanding
and you should not make fun of them.
Here is a special profile on shelly, one of our craziest
regulars (AND NEW MVP) who starves her dogs and goes
KUCKOOOO!! when she finds out someone is feeding a shi
tzu more than half as much as she feeds her starving dogs
which are more than five times bigger (or at least should
be if they weren't being starved in a case of munchausen's
anorexia by proxy courtesy of their mentallly ill owner)
than a shih tzu.
Please be understanding of her mental problems and do
not make fun of her. We must all join together to heelp
her.
========================================
BREAKING NEWS.
SHELLY DETHRONES NESSA AS OUR NEW MVP (most valuable psychotic)
Nessa loses MVP title due to inactivity
so shelly takes over by default)
========================================
ALL NEW as of 9/19/2004
A SPECIAL BONUS ON shelly couvrette,
========================================================
All in the Mental Family
shelly: severe OCD
shelly's mom: chronic depression
shelly's brother: severe BiPolar
shelly's dogs are victims of Munchausens
Anorexia by proxy Syndrome. Here, she goes
off the deep end because she OCD'd on a
conversation she overheard about the quantity
of food being fed to her coworker's son's
shih tzus.
hattie, shelly's starving boxer (who,
theoretically, if she was not being
systematically starved by a psychotic
owner) should weigh at least five times
more than a shih tzu, yet she doesn't
get five times as much food. She
doesn't even get twice as much.
Can you say "KUCKOOOO!!!"
IT DRIVES ME CRAZY THAT MY COWORKER'S SON
DOESN'T STARVE HIS DOG
SHIH TZUS EAT MORE THAN HALF AS MUCH AS
HATTIE
one of my cow-orkers was just on the phone
with her son.....
and, get this! the were discussing feeding
amounts. her Shih Tzus eat more than half
as much as my dogs! i don't know if that's
because Iams is less calorically dense than
the foods my dogs eat or what, but i'm
boggled. *boggled*, i tell ya'.
so, anyway, i've bitten my tongue nearly
in half.
-- shelly (perfectly foul wench) and
elliott and harriet
EMACIATED, VET WAS SURPRISED
"when i got harriet she was emaciated, so
i asked my vet for advice on slowly adding
weight to her. six months later i took
harriet in for her spring check-up and my
vet was surprised that at how thin she still
was."
--shelly couvrette
STILL VET SHOPPING
"<raises hand> i've been told by three
different vets that harriet (53lbs) is
*way* too skinny. we're still vet-shopping,
BTW."
--shelly couvrette
THE OL' "I'M STARVING" ROUTINE
"if you really can't resist it when your dog pulls
the "i'm starving!" routine <G>, you can give
him some frozen green beans or a small amount
of plain pureed pumpkin. i would also suggest
putting the food out of his sight. i keep my
food--still inside the bags, which are tightly
rolled down--inside trash cans in the closed
laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps
it out of my dogs' sight."
--shelly couvrette
POSITIVELY STARVED
"heh. i get the opposite response. people think
that poor little harriet is positively starved
to death. i've actually had people stop me in
the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to
fatten her up!"
--shelly couvrette
WHO WANTS TO BE TOLD YOU ARE HURTING YOUR
WIDDLE PRECIOUS?
"i think that may be part of the problem. who
wants to go to a vet who tells you you're
hurting your .widdle precious? i think the
other part is that some vets really don't
*realize* that what they consider proper weight
is fat. after having been told by a couple of
vets that my dogs are too thin, i've got a dim
view of vets on that topic."
--shelly couvrette
JUST A BITE WON'T HURT
--shelly's mom
FEED HER AND I'LL RIP YOUR
ARM OFF, BITCH
-shelly
"my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad.
she thinks that harriet is awfully skinny,
so feeding her table snax is okay. she
tells me that just a bite won't hurt."
--shelly couvrette
March 2004, HATTIE DOWN TO 47 POUNDS
"while i was sick,
elliott was *pretty* good (he got really
needy and pathetic toward the end), but
harriet turned into 47lbs of pure
orneriness."
--shelly couvrette
NOBODY IS STARVING SHELLY
NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET
AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF
shelly's fat face
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg
=======================================================
There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who
starve their dogs out of vanity, but shelly is a
special case.
shelly is more than a little bit beyond the pale
Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little
obsessive about measuring out extra tiny and
discrete portions with a tiny measuring
cup, or counting out pieces of green bean or
pumpkin that she gives her dogs when they give
her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma
tried to give Hattie a snack, shelly probably
went apeshit, because it was in violation of
her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny
calorie that goes into her widdle precious'
mouth.
shelly's a special case, a special kind of
dog abuser.
Disclaimer:
=========================================
MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in the dog newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think
it's only fair that we have an accurate list of who
is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid
any misunderstandings and promote group harmony.
This list is strictly for group harmony purposes.
=======================================
NEW!
LYNN K. Staunch Law and Order type
CAUGHT ON TAPE AT WOODSTOCK!
Passing Joint to Cameraman
From: Lynn K. (jav...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Using Zoloft or Prozac as a one shot treatment
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2001-09-27 23:13:46 PST
Gwen Watson <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:<3BB2402B...@ig.utexas.edu>...
> At Woodstock?????? Oh you lucky, lucky women!
> I will be forever jealous of you devulging this tid
> bit of info! GGGGggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
More of us than you know. I'm even in the movie.
Let me tell you about trying to advise a teenager
about drugs after the ever-helpful uncle points out
your 15 seconds of fame - passing a joint to the
cameraman as Arlo Gutrie croons "coming into Los
Angeleeeze......." in the background :-( Kind of
undermines the parental authority thing.
Lynn K.
THE COMPLETE DOG NEWSGROUP MENTAL ILLNESS
LIST (WHEW!) AS OF 8/6/2004
BREAKING MENTAL ILLNESS NEWS!
DATELINE: August 6, 2004
NEWSGROUPS: Dog Related + ARK
California Mormon Mom come Kibologist Paula
Makes Dog Newsgroup Mental Illness History
OUR FIRST CRAZY MORMON
Paula is a divorced Mormon Mom who dabbles freely
in Kibology, leaving herself at risk for being
Smite into a pile of rubble by either an angry,
vengeful God or worse yet, a Kibo unglued.
As a California based youth counselor, Paula
helps children deal with physical & emotional
problems while dealing with mental problems of
her own. Particularly chronic depression for
which she is drugged.
Paula has a long history of questioning her
faith, questioning her mother and worrying about
whether or not she'll be excommunicated for the
thoughts in her head. With good reason, after
spending so much time fraternizing with free
thinking, blaspheming Kibologists.
At one point, when Paula was suffering from a
heavy bout of depression, and in violation of
Mormonology and her mother's own advice, she
eschewed prayer and instead enlisted the heelp of
Harco Industries own twillis, who cruelly
flaunted her vaunted Paxil supply
"Sorry, go ride a horse, hands off my
Paxil."
says HARCO's twillis
WON'T SHARE MY PAXIL WITH PAULA
From: HarCo Industries (tdwi...@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: I need
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Date: 2003-05-13 09:48:41 PST
mmmtob...@earthlink.ent (Paula) wrote
> I need something to get me out of this
> deepening depression.
I prescribe a horseback ride.
Really.
I'd share my Paxil with you, but I'm selfish.
twillis
To which Paula responded:
THE PAXIL IS NOT ENOUGH
"HAH! Paxil stopped working for me
and I had to switch to Celexa, for the
really and truly messed up!"
Paula
From: Paula (mmmtob...@earthlink.ent)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION DOCTROID DOCTROID: Thad Van Cenks
paula's concise thesis on depression:
THE PRINGLES ARE NOT ENOUGH
Oh, honey! Pringles are never an adequate defense
against depression. It takes large amounts of premium
ice cream, at the very least.
THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
BUT ZOLOFT IS TOO MUCH
BETTER FAT THAN DEAD
Also, zoloft is not a good anti-depressant because it
makes you fat. Or so an acquaintance of mine told me.
I refrained from pointing out to her that being fat
was not exactly a bad trade-off if you stopped being
suicidal in so many words.
SERIOUSLY, CHRONIC DEPRESSION IS LIKE THIS
Seriously, chronic depression is all about feeling
like shit and not knowing why. If there were a reason,
it would be "the blues" or something equally not quite
fuzzy but not really serious sounding.
YOU KNOW, LIKE FEMALE TROUBLE
THAT'S WHERE GOOD DRUGS COME IN
UNLESS YOU LISTEN TO MY MOM
You know, like "female trouble." This is where good
drugs come in. Unless you listen to my mom, who
thinks that you should be able to pray and read your
scriptures and serve others to happiness and full
enjoyment of living. The rest of us wish she would
It seems that Paula's mom tries to make her feel bad for
being mental, just like Sighthounds aka Mustang Sally
tried to make Kelly aka Culprit feel bad about her mental
problems
WISH YOU WOULD SHUT THE HELL UP AND
GET ON SOME MEDS YOURSELF, MOM!
not only shut up about how to treat our issues but
also stay on some good meds herself.
DRUGS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PRAYERS OR PRINGLES
BUT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, DRUGS WORK BETTER
Anyway, I have to say the good drugs route works much
better and takes less time, too. It's more expensive
than praying and pringles, but it's worth it. Get
thee to a good psychiatrist. If you can find a good
therapist, that helps, too.
DO NOT BEAT YOURSELF UP
Do not in any way, shape or form beat up on yourself
for your depression making no sense or not being made
worse by commercials, however. That is an order.
Paula
Paula's mother would prefer that her children pray to
the Mormon God or Jesus, or whomever the Mormons pray
to, but Paula and her brother prefer drugging themselves
instead.
MY BROTHER, MY PAXIL
rmh...@mindspring.com wrote:
> >Youre talking to someone on meds for
> >Social Phobia.
Sarah Cherlin <sche...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Ummm...what are those? I need to know for,
> like, a friend.
Paula (mmmtob...@earthlink.net) responds
PAXIL MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE
For my brother, paxil made all the difference.
He feels like a new person, and acts like one
too. And he has been living with a hawt chyk
for years now when before he had problems with
supervisors at work, with friendships and with
wimmin because he just never felt socially
comfortable. It really has made a huge
difference for him.
Paula
Paula discussing both her own, and more
specifically, the mental problems of her husband
before they got divorced, exhibiting a slight
masochistic bent:
From: Paula (mmmtob...@earthlink.ent)
Subject: Re: Marriage and Kids
Newsgroups: soc.religion.mormon
Date: 2003-11-02 08:28:04 PST
ASKED HUBBY TO BEAT ME
Yes. I once told my husband that I wished he
would hit me. He didn't believe me. I asked him
what was more hurtful and had the longest lasting
and most devastating effect on him, the physical
abuse or the emotional abuse he suffered as a child.
HE COULD ONLY CRY
BUT AGREED TO GO TO COUNSELING
He could only cry. He agreed to go to counseling
immediately after processing that question. I don't
think you have to sit around while your spouse beats
WHO IS BEATING WHOM?
up your spirit any more than you are expected to sit
around waiting for the next physical beating. There
are other reasons cancellations of sealings have been
granted, even in the stricter days, so it appears
there are various "legitimate" reasons for divorce,
even when it is a temple marriage
Paula uses her own mental illness experience to help
her in her capacity as counselor to others who
are suffering with mental problems. Here, Paula
coaches Matt into taking some Paxil, so that
Skylab won't fall on him.
Matt McIrvin <mmci...@world.std.com> wrote:
PAULA, I KNOW SKYLAB IS GOING TO FALL ON ME
> No, it's a sign that *I personally* have a
> tendency to become worried about catastrophic
> consquences of everything. I've known this
> for a long time-- when I was twelve, I was
> convinced that Skylab was going to fall ON
> ME PERSONALLY--
MATT, TAKE IT EASY AND TAKE SOME PAXIL
Matt, you are a sweetheart, but definitely a
worrying sweetheart. I hope you can find a way to
calm down your fears and turn off that cycle of
escalating worry. I have an aunt like that and
she has literally driven herself crazy....
I don't want you to end up like that. Take it
easy and take some paxil.
Paula
==========================================
REC.PETS.DOGS CRAZY PERSON LIST
as of
8/1/2004
-----------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------
BREAKING MENTAL ILLNESS NEWS
DATELINE: AUGUST 1, 2004
Tara O. aka, Tee is an Anorexia Survivor
UNTIL YOU'VE LIVED WITH THIS DISORDER
YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW DEVASTATING
Tara O. aka Tee, is in many ways a typical suburban
South Carolinian soccer mom. Upon casual inspection,
nothing appears to be amiss. Tara, aka Tee spends her
free time surfing the internet and is a big fan of the
WB's "Gilmore Girls." Tara is also a passionate member
of the Carolina Boxer Rescue network. The only sign of
controversy or untowardness is that Tara's own Boxer
Summer was suddently put to sleep in October 2001,
despite several offers from an Orlando, FL dog expert
(Jerry Howe) to adopt her, claiming he could easily
cure Summer's behavioral problems.
Looking at Tara today, you'd never know that when she
was a teen, she suffered for five years with the
debilitating mental disorder, known as anorexia.
Tara is now a healthy weighted (some would say
plump) mom in her thirties, but during her teens
Tara O. (along with her Bulimic Friend), looked like
a skeleton.
like so many of the mentally ill before her, Tara O.
is coming forward because she wants to educate those
who come after her. The message Tara is sending is
clear. Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
"We don't have to hide any longer!" she seems to be
saying.
Tara O. aka, Tee attributes her anorexia to
a lack of self esteem, which sprung from peer
pressure and an upbringing that could have been
more nurturing.
Determined that the same fate not befall her daughter
Amie, and out of a belief that no child should have to
follow the same path of self destruction and starvation,
Tara, in graphic and sometimes excruciating detail
relives the drama of how she was bowed and broken by,
but ultimately came back to beat anorexia.
YOU GO (gilmore) Girl!
Tara and Amie's harrowing saga (below) is a cautionary
tale and a must read for all of those, who care deeply
about the future of young girls in America. This is an
issue that affects both young and old, black and white,
male and female all across America.
Tara is doing everything in her power, including
medicating her daughter Amie with Ritalin, so that Amie
does not have to feel the sting of self esteem issues,
brought on by peer pressure courtesy of the cliques of
marauding "mean girls" who prey on young females
struggling to find their way and their indentity during
the precarious and perilous passage from adolescence
to young adulthood. We can only be thankful that Tara
prevailed and lived to tell her story.
We wish Tara O and her daughter Amie nothing but success
in overcoming mental illness and mental disorders. Tara
and Amie, you are an inspiration to us all!
I BATTLED ANOREXIA FOR MOST OF MY TEEN YEARS
WE BOTH LOOKED STICK THIN
Well if you had one and you did it to gain attention
then quite frankly you'd be the first person I have
ever heard of taking that approach. I battled anorexia
for most of my teen years and had a very good
acquaintance who was bulimic and almost died. We both
looked stick thin but could cover the circles around
our eyes with makeup and the colorless, chapped lips
with lipstick. How often did any of us see Diana out
in public during this time with no makeup on as well
as up-close & personal?
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
UNTIL YOU'VE LIVED WITH THIS DISORDER
YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW DEVASTATING
IT'S NOT LIKE SLITTING YOUR WRISTS
Until you've lived with an eating disorder, you cannot
understand how devastating they can be or what goes on
in the person's head during the time. Book smarts are
all good and well but there is never just one
cut-and-dried reason for becoming bulimic or anorexic.
Your whole theory is shot simply by the fact that the
vast majority of bulimics and anorexics go out of their
way to HIDE their problems. They do not want attention
drawn to themselves. Its not like slitting your wrists
in the wrong direction so that people will know you want
or need help.
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
------------
From: Tara O. (tara...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Does Liza Weil have anorexia?
Newsgroups: alt.tv.gilmore-girls
Date: 2002-10-10 10:54:39 PST
SORRY TO BE GRAPHIC
HER NICE-SIZED CHEST WOULD SHRINK AND DROOP
She doesn't look anorexic to me. She'd be much
skinner, much bonier and her nice-sized chest would
shrink & droop. Sorry to be graphic but I know a
good bit about the disease and the effects it has
on appearance
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
http://cbr.homestead.com
--------------------
"Tom" <toml...@hotmail.com> wrote
> So, from your view, why did Diana write a book by
> way of Andrew Morton that talked ALL about it? And
> then, why did she go on PANOROMA and talk about it
> some more?
FOR FIVE YEARS, I LOOKED LIKE A SKELETON, AND I
WANT TO HELP OTHERS. I'M STEPPING FORWARD, TOM
For the same reason that I've talked about my 5-year
problem with anorexia to others.....to educate others
and to help explain why when anyone sees pictures of
me during my teens, I look like a skeleton.
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
----------
LEAVE PRINCESS DI ALONE, TOM
Newsgroups: alt.gossip.royalty
Date: 2002-08-06 05:35:07 PST
"Tom" <toml...@hotmail.com> wrote
> If she had been as sick as she said she was
> she would not have looked as good as she did.
> Her hair and teeth and
> skin would have been ragged and spotty.
> It's really that simple.
YOU'VE NEVER SUFFERED FROM THIS ILLNESS, TOM
YOU'VE NEVER STARVED YOURSELF, DAMMIT, I HAVE
No its not and you've obviously never suffered from
this illness or anorexia which is related. Firstly,
I've seen pictures of her where she did look deathly.
It was very likely only due to heavy makeup and help
with her hair that she even managed to look
presentable.
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
---------
PEIR PRESSURE AND ANOREXIA
"Tom" <toml...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Bulimia is a sympton of a personality disorder.
> I'm not sure what doctor's you're talking to.
> Diana was absolutely a textbook example
> of a borderline personality:
LOOK, TOM, I SAW A DOCTOR FOR MY ANOREXIA
SO I KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THIS THAN YOU
"I've never heard of low self-esteem being
classified as a personality disorder. The doctors
I refer to are the ones who lectured at one of my
high school as well as a doctor I had to see for my
anorexia."
> Borderline personality disorder is characterized
> by mood instability
> and poor self-image.
PIER PRESSURE IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR TEENS, TOM
"Low self-esteem affects alot of people at some
point in their life, usually in their teens when
pier opinion is very important. Then there is
the lack of self-esteem created by a verbally
abusive friend or family member. You tell
someone something enough times and they might
just start believing you."
> Everything is related to personality.
> I don't see how you can say
> that any mental illness is NOT related to
> a personality disorder.
> Where are you getting your information?
MENTAL DISORDERS HAVE A WAY OF SHOWING
THEMSELVES THROUGH WORDS, TOM
"Related yes as in mental disorders have a way
of showing themselves through someone's words &
actions which can be interpreted as personality.
But mental issues and personality issues are not
one in the same."
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
http://cbr.homestead.com
WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, TOM
From all I know of bulimia, it is not normally
a symptom of a personality disorder such as manic
depression, bi-polar, or anything else. It is,
most of the time from what I have come to know,
a byproduct of someone having too little
self-esteem. There are other reasons but none
that cause bulimia as often as lack of
self-esteem from what I have learned.
--
Tara
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TARA'S DAUGHTER AMIE IS BEING DRUGGED FOR ADHD
From: Tee (crappol...@netscape.net)
Subject: Re: OT - ADHD
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2004-02-07 21:09:37 PST
I'M NOT A RITALIN PUSHER
I should add that I'm not an ADHD or
Ritalin pusher. While there are diehard
disbelievers there are also diehard believers,
almost fanatical. My contributions to this
thread on children are based solely on my own
experience with Amie for the last 3.5 years
...
ONLY A WEEK
Amie has only been on the medication for a week.
We and the teacher have already noticed a
significant change in her ability to not only pay
attention
...
CLEARED ALL THE CHAOS AND NOISE
Its like someone cleared all the chaos & noise
out of her head and took the earplugs out of her
ears. That's not to say I swear by the drug because
its still in the trial phase with her but if this is
what we can expect from this medication then she'll
remain on it until she chooses not to.
...
MY DAUGHTER WILL NEVER BE AN HONOR STUDENT,
BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT
My daughter will never be an honor roll student and
I don't care about that, I just don't want her to
fail school and watch her friends move on for something
she can't control.
--
Tara
------------------------------------
-------------------------------------
SPECIAL THANKS TO CHRIS JUNG
for the PROZE and CONS of PROZAC
CHRIS JUNG on the
PROZE and CONS of PROZAC
I have to comment here. Anti-depressants such
as Prozac do not have any "drugging" effect. It
doesn't tranquilize, make euphoric, or cause
any sort of change in behavior except for
bringing the brain imbalances back to normal
and thus reducing depression. I take Prozac and
the difference between being on Prozac and not
is very subtle. I still feel everything (happy,
sad, nervous, mad) but I'm just not as
unreasonably bummed about it.
==================================
DATELINE: JULY 23, 2004
REC.PETS.DOGS NEWSGROUPS
A WARM WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST CRAZY PERSON
BETHGSD
Please, all mental cases on deck! We need to
Welcome Bethgsd, and let her know that she is
not alone. If any of you can heelp, with some
encouraging words, that would be great.
You are not alone, Beth!!
REC PET DOGS NEWSGROUPS CRAZY KLUB
NEWEST INDUCTEE BETHGSD
July 2004
=======================================
From: Bethgsd (bet...@aol.comnojunk)
Subject: Re: failed attempt to rehabilitate aggressive dog
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2002-04-11 16:42:08 PST
Gwen wrote:
>Absolutely! And I personally find it somewhat
>insulting that the comparisons of this were made.
>Since I do have epilepsy myself and it is a very
>life threatening disease when one is not on
>medication. Very.
>
>Gwen
>
>
[Bethgsd Responds]
[GWEN, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS...
CHEMICAL IMBALANCES CAN BE LIFE THREATENING]
Well, Gwen I suffer from severe depression which
is controlled by a particular SSRI and I find it
insulting that you don't feel that chemical
imbalances can be lifethreatening. No, I don't
go into status but I've attempted to commit
suicide a few too many times. And no, those
weren't little "cries for help" they were honest
to G-D attemts to get out of the pain.
So get your head out of your ass and realize that
chemical imbalances can be as life threatening,
if in a different way, than electrical misfiring.
Beth [aka Bethgsd]
not to be confused with
the non crazy (as far as we know, BethF)
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Disclaimer:
=========================================
MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in the dog newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think
it's only fair that we have an accurate list of who
is and who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid
any misunderstandings and promote group harmony.
This list is strictly for group harmony purposes.
=======================================
Dateline: rec.pets.dogs.* newsgroups
Breaking Mental Illness News, JUNE 2004!
HATTIE @ 47 lbs!
Hattie, a boxer owned by shelly couvrette is
now down to 47 pounds. Couvrette, a librarian
at Indiana U. who suffers from obsessive/
compulsive disorder (OCD), was told by three
different Veterinarians that Hattie was "way
too skinny" when Hattie weighed 53 lbs.
Undeterred by that, and the reactions from
family and strangers on the street, shelly
continued shopping for vets and cutting
calories until Hattie,a chronic counter
surfer at age 5 now weighs just 47 lbs!
shelly finds all the symptoms of a starving
dog searching for nutrients to be
entertaining. Couvrette has developed a unique
technique to fool dogs who are having
pangs of starvation. She feeds them
green beans and canned pumpkin, so there
will be some "filler" in their stomachs
when they give her the "I'm Starving--no,
really" routine.
shelly is not nearly as obsessed with her
own weight, and has never been told by a
medical professional that she is "way too
skinny." If so, that medical professional
would be end up on this crazy person list
as well.
For a complete recap of the shelly and
hattie show, page down to the bottom of
this list.
=================================
=================================
In other news....
JUNE 2004
LEAH ditches Effexor for Zyban.
Leah Roberts, a professional dog
trainer and former Jew who has turned
her life over to Jesus, has graduated
from the ranks of PetSmart Trainers and
has signed on with a progressive agility
and family pet focused Dog Training outfit
Canine Action based in Orlando, Fl.
http://www.canineaction.com
As part of the move, Leah has switched
mental medications from from Effexor to
Zyban in an attempt to quit smoking. As a
result, she has much more energy, which
has allowed her to pass a colonoscopy exam
with flying colors.
Said Roberts:
"I'm wondering if it was the
med [effexor] and not the CFS that was
affecting me so badly."
Leah continues to improve her life and is
considering buying herself a motorcycle for
her 50th birthday later this year. Leah is
almost to the point where we can remove her
from the crazy person list. But not yet.
We wish her continued success in becoming
crazy-free.
============================================
RPD* MeNTally Ill All_StaRz as of 7/23/2004
LYNN K. 20 plus years on Lithium
LOIS E. 25 plus years on tricyclics
Hello Fans,
here is our latest NEW AND IMPROVED crazy person update,
including our latest mentally unstable person, Lois E.
of Gary and Lois fame who has been on Tricyclics
pushing 25 years. She is no longer afraid to talk about it.
Neither is Lynn K. who embraces her mental illness and
opens up about her 20 plus years on Lithium, as well as
her love afair with Zoloft.
I TOO HAVE A BIPOLAR MOOD DISORDER (MANIC DEPRESSION)
I ALSO CARE ABOUT DOGS
COMMUNITY IS AN EVOLUTIONARY THING
WORDS OF WISDOM from our own
Lynn Kosmakos
=======================================
From: Chris Kosmakos (chri...@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: complaints and goodbye
Lisa K. Baird (lba...@infinet.com) wrote:
:
: Sheesh, if everyone would start taking responsibility for their own
: actions, wouldn't life be grand?
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
(manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care
about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post
such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully
outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."
Lynn K.
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
-----------------------------------------
LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation
on Mental problems.
LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined
-----------------------------------------
> But I think what Lois was referring to
> was the fact that Darlene actually
> stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work
> for her--so she was prone to major-league
> ups and downs and sudden
> enthusiasms..
"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."
Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------
LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
----------------------------------------
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Date: 1999/09/03
BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read
> "The Unquiet Mind"?
Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.
Lynn K.
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MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
YOU DO THE MATH
"What's really terrific, is
now days you can say proudly, 'I take anti-depressives'"
-------------------------------------
Message 52 in thread
From: Gary & lois Edwards (ga...@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Date: 1999/09/02
BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,
"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted." The
good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.
No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."
Lois E.
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Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING! list as of 7/27/2004:
list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
Most of whom are women or homosexuals
RPD CRAZY PERSON ROLL CALL and BIOS
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=============================================
NESSA
NUTCASE
FORMER MVP (Most Valuable Psychotic) of
dog newsgroups
Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP but
lost her title to shelly due to inactivity
Nessa blames all the problems in her life
on ADD, ADHD Or some other empowering acronym
which encapsulates her futility for her
Her dog bagel, a large newf mix
has used her house liberally
as a toilet since February of 2002. Drives
a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in
suburban MD, recently got a raise/promotion
to US goverment grade 11 (circa $50,000) and
promptly decided she couldn't afford her two
dogs. With help from non crazy regular
(Paulette) and witchcraft practicing regular
Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided to keep her
dogs for the time being. She is undergoing
training from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery
and getting Run Over for the Family Pet" Boss.
Her results have not been dramatic.
CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular
Leah helping Nessa
=============================
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote
Nessa use...@nessa.info wrote:
"As far as the depression goes,
it's not related to Bagel at all.
I have chronic major depression and
I'm just having a flare."
Leah asks
"Are you on any medication?"
Nessa responds
yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
I have been for over 10 years.
--nessa
Nessa is Fat as well as crazy
=============================
"For what it's worth...
I picked up 30 pounds when I started
Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another
20 on risperidol.
I hate that I was a size 8-10 before meds and
now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.
Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
The positive effects
are too much to part with."
--nessa
============================
NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH
==============================
Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. His name is
Martin Stein
1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
Suite 907
Arlington Va 22209
703-807-2471
email 75120...@compuserve.com
Marty is wonderful. He is really the best.
He has also given me permission to post his
infomation on this Newsgroup. If you call
him and see him by all means tell him Nessa
sent you.
--nessa
================================
ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS
=============================
from: Nessa (ne...@ix.netcom.com)
Hi,
I often have to rotate my stimulants.
You can become used to them and sometimes
need a different one for a while. Until I
got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
Dexedrine every 3 months or so.
It is true that anti-depressants or
anti-anxiety pills will help with the
stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However,
perhaps she needs to check into the idea that
a switch from cylert to something else might
be in order.
warm thoughts,
Nessa
=============================
=============================================
=============================================
Lois E.
(of Gary and Lois fame)
Lois' has been on tricyclic antidepressants for
approximately 25 years. This may be a record.
Husband is a cop but there is no evidence
that he beats the crap out of her, or that he
has for 25 years.
Had a traumatic experience as a child with a
horse running wild in the Pantry and living room.
In recent years, shot neighbor's dog from point
blank range while it was chewing on her pigmy goat,
teaching son to solve problems with the neighbor's
using shock and awe levels of violence."
BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,
"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted." The
good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.
No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."
Lois E.
=============================================
=============================================
Kelly/
culprit
Systems engineer at Microsoft, owner of two
pitbulls, proving that Bill Gates does not
discriminate against crazy people or pit bull
owners.
psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
forward so that others like her will have the
strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
she is one of our most entertraining regulars
Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
about her mental illness/crazy problems.
Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
being crazy, aka wacked in the head
culprit standing up for herself against rude and condescending Mustang
Sally
-----------------------------------------------
I WON'T DENY MY PROBLEMS, MUSTANG SALLY!
"but i stand by the fact that OCD is an
illness, major depression with psychotic features
certainly is, panic disorder is too. and the
other stuff just makes it all the more fun.
i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to
accept it, because ignoring it wasn't working out
too well. i need to do that to make changes to my
life so that i can become healthy. and you say
you're not trying to be condescending, but you're
doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
"people who think they're mentally ill are
wallowing in their disabilities and letting them
consume their life"
you come across as though you would be able to
handle any of these illnesses, and anyone who
can't is just copping out. well we're all
different. and i don't accept your idea that i
would have a more productive life if i denied my
problems. i tried it for years, and believe me,
it didn't work very well."
-kelly aka culprit
systems engineer @ Microsoft
----------------------------------------------
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MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)
(super psycho bitch
lunatic queen of the
mentally fucked in
the head)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid,
MaryBeth has suffered from or been:
TIDAL WAVES OF PMS
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
--MaryBeth
ME NOT SO HORNY
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."
--MaryBeth
NEW TO GROUP
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>
WASTED 10 YEARS
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
WAS HORRIBLE
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"
--MaryBeth
=============================================
=============================================
Theresa Willis
(paxil, depression, robot displacement)
Theresa is a gang banger who comes out
of cutesy robot mode when it's time to
gang attack people with her pal shelly
Victim is usually Leah, but may be a
random person.
=============================================
=============================================
shelly
couvrette
OUR NEWEST MVP (MOST VALUABLE PSYCHOTIC)
All in the Mental Family
shelly: severe OCD
shelly's mom: chronic depression
shelly's brother: severe BiPolar
Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil
for mental illness, but claims she does
not take it, resulting in an obsessive
basket case online persona. Posts more than
any other female in all dog newsgroups
(familial mental illness, possibly related
to family bed) obsessively starves her
dogs according to friends, family,
strangers and 3 different vets, but
not herself (see below). Still thinks
of herself as a five year old ballerina
despite the fact that she is a fat
adult in her mid thirties.
PAGE ALL THE WAY UP FOR BONUS COVERAGE
NEW, HATTIE DOWN TO 47 POUNDS!!
NEWER, SHELLY GOES KUCKOOO!!! Over
shih tzu's being fed almost as much
as hattie (page to top)
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=============================================
lynn
kosmakos
RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1
(Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
depression) will "put down a biter
as fast as anyone" yet claims to
be a saintly dog rescuer. Murders
dogs because of insurance rates
Her brother was attacked by a Golden
Retriever when she was young. For
this reason, she murders easily
trainable dogs. Condemns dogs to
death who are easily trainable
with her "evaluations."
Is nice to people in person, but
her true dog hating nature comes
out on newsgroups with
extreme clarity.
Advocates shooting dogs on sight, when
they chase deer. Sees no other
option. Her own dog Java had to be shocked
with a shock collar to keep him from
chasing deer.
has been on lithium for approximately
20 years. Zoloft for an undetermined
number of years
1200mg LITHIUM
50mg ZOLOFT
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
(manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium
and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care
about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post
such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
WE EARN THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."
Lynn K.
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."
Lynn K.
From: Chris Kosmakos (chri...@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Prozac - Good medication or no?
I TAKE A SIMILAR DRUG MYSELF
"Yes, for very specific behaviorial problems.
I would have to trust my vet and behaviorist
a lot, and be very sure that I had exhausted
every other option before I used Prozac to
deal with a dog problem - and I take a
similar drug, Zoloft, myself."
Lynn K.
CAUGHT ON TAPE AT WOODSTOCK (I'M IN THE MOVIE)
From: Lynn K. (jav...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Using Zoloft or Prozac as a one
shot treatment
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2001-09-27 23:13:46 PST
Gwen Watson <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
news:<3BB2402B...@ig.utexas.edu>...
> At Woodstock?????? Oh you lucky, lucky women!
> I will be forever jealous of you devulging this tid
> bit of info! GGGGggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
More of us than you know. I'm even in the movie.
Let me tell you about trying to advise a teenager
about drugs after the ever-helpful uncle points out
your 15 seconds of fame - passing a joint to the
cameraman as Arlo Gutrie croons "coming into Los
Angeleeeze......." in the background :-( Kind of
undermines the parental authority thing.
Lynn K.
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Leah
Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems. Leah is
improving as a dog trainer and wants
to open her own training/boarding
kennel soon and write a book.
This drives her fellow
mentally ill regulars nuts (read shelly
Lynn K.), especially if Leah succeeds
while other loonies continue to sit on
their fat behinds
Leah is a relatively stable crazy person
but she just might be the agent that drives
others to jump off of a cliff
NEW, Leah gets a new job. Switches mental
medication from Effexor to Zyban
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Bethgsd
German Shepherd enthusiast Bethgsd is
taking an unamed SSRI for severe
depression.
Here, Bethgsd, points out to Gwen the
importance of being understanding about
the mental problems of crazy people.
GWEN, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
I SUFFER FROM SEVERE DEPRESSION
"Well, Gwen I suffer from severe depression
which is controlled by a particular SSRI and
I find it insulting that you don't feel that
chemical imbalances can be lifethreatening.
No, I don't go into status but I've attempted
to commit suicide a few too many times. And
no, those weren't little "cries for help"
they were honest to G-D attemts to get out of
the pain.
So get your head out of your ass and realize
that chemical imbalances can be as life
threatening, if in a different way, than
electrical misfiring."
Beth [aka Bethgsd]
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Tara O. aka Tee
UNTIL YOU'VE LIVED WITH THIS DISORDER
YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW DEVASTATING
Tara O. aka Tee, is in many ways a typical suburban
South Carolinian soccer mom. Upon casual inspection,
nothing appears to be amiss. Tara, aka Tee spends her
free time surfing the internet and is a big fan of the
WB's "Gilmore Girls." Tara is also a passionate member
of the Carolina Boxer Rescue network. The only sign of
controversy or untowardness is that Tara's own Boxer
Summer was suddently put to sleep in October 2001,
despite several offers from an Orlando, FL dog expert
(Jerry Howe) to adopt her, claiming he could easily
cure Summer's behavioral problems.
Looking at Tara today, you'd never know that when she
was a teen, she suffered for five years with the
debilitating mental disorder, known as anorexia.
Tara is now a healthy weighted (some would say
plump) mom in her thirties, but during her teens
Tara O. (along with her Bulimic Friend), looked like
a skeleton.
like so many of the mentally ill before her, Tara O.
is coming forward because she wants to educate those
who come after her. The message Tara is sending is
clear. Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
"We don't have to hide any longer!" she seems to be
saying.
Tara O. aka, Tee attributes her anorexia to
a lack of self esteem, which sprung from peer
pressure and an upbringing that could have been
more nurturing.
Determined that the same fate not befall her daughter
Amie, and out of a belief that no child should have to
follow the same path of self destruction and starvation,
Tara, in graphic and sometimes excruciating detail
relives the drama of how she was bowed and broken by,
but ultimately came back to beat anorexia.
YOU GO (gilmore) Girl!
Tara and Amie's harrowing saga (below) is a cautionary
tale and a must read for all of those, who care deeply
about the future of young girls in America. This is an
issue that affects both young and old, black and white,
male and female all across America.
Tara is doing everything in her power, including
medicating her daughter Amie with Ritalin, so that Amie
does not have to feel the sting of self esteem issues,
brought on by peer pressure courtesy of the cliques of
marauding "mean girls" who prey on young females
struggling to find their way and their indentity during
the precarious and perilous passage from adolescence
to young adulthood. We can only be thankful that Tara
prevailed and lived to tell her story.
We wish Tara O and her daughter Amie nothing but success
in overcoming mental illness and mental disorders. Tara
and Amie, you are an inspiration to us all!
I BATTLED ANOREXIA FOR MOST OF MY TEEN YEARS
WE BOTH LOOKED STICK THIN
Well if you had one and you did it to gain attention
then quite frankly you'd be the first person I have
ever heard of taking that approach. I battled anorexia
for most of my teen years and had a very good
acquaintance who was bulimic and almost died. We both
looked stick thin but could cover the circles around
our eyes with makeup and the colorless, chapped lips
with lipstick. How often did any of us see Diana out
in public during this time with no makeup on as well
as up-close & personal?
--
Tara
Carolina Boxer Rescue
Page to the top for more...
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Paula
OUR FIRST CRAZY MORMON
Paula is a divorced Mormon Mom who dabbles freely
in Kibology, leaving herself at risk for being
Smite into a pile of rubble by either an angry,
vengeful God or worse yet, a Kibo unglued.
As a California based youth counselor, Paula
helps children deal with physical & emotional
problems while dealing with mental problems of
her own. Particularly chronic depression for
which she is drugged.
Paula has a long history of questioning her
faith, questioning her mother and worrying about
whether or not she'll be excommunicated for the
thoughts in her head. With good reason, after
spending so much time fraternizing with free
thinking, blaspheming Kibologists.
At one point, when Paula was suffering from a
heavy bout of depression, and in violation of
Mormonology and her mother's own advice, she
eschewed prayer and instead enlisted the heelp of
Harco Industries own twillis, who cruelly
flaunted her vaunted Paxil supply
"Sorry, go ride a horse, hands off my
Paxil."
says HARCO's twillis
WON'T SHARE MY PAXIL WITH PAULA
From: HarCo Industries (tdwi...@earthlink.net)
Subject: Re: I need
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Date: 2003-05-13 09:48:41 PST
mmmtob...@earthlink.ent (Paula) wrote
> I need something to get me out of this
> deepening depression.
I prescribe a horseback ride.
Really.
I'd share my Paxil with you, but I'm selfish.
twillis
To which Paula responded:
THE PAXIL IS NOT ENOUGH
"HAH! Paxil stopped working for me
and I had to switch to Celexa, for the
really and truly messed up!"
Paula
Page to the top for much more on
this mental case
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Tara Green
Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York
City left rpd* claiming that she could
not afford internet access and/or a computer,
but her story is of value nonetheless
was on antidepressants for a few years
prior to her marriage. During her
marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my
marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as
chemical simply because of our too human
ability to prolong the impact of the
causal situations indefinitely"
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also had
problems with other substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:
"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they
are separate issues.....so which camp does
that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people don't have
a problem with drugs even though they are
alcoholics. I'm not one of those people,
but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
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Kevin
Michael
Vail
various mental illness drugs, started with
zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
antidepressant, stopped after sufficent
side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy
Kevin is a homosexual but there is no
evidence that this is the cause of him
being crazy
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Furpaw
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person
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Chris Jung
(Prozac and Welbutrin,
cognitive therapy)
CHRIS JUNG on the
PROZE and CONS of PROZAC
I have to comment here. Anti-depressants such
as Prozac do not have any "drugging" effect. It
doesn't tranquilize, make euphoric, or cause
any sort of change in behavior except for
bringing the brain imbalances back to normal
and thus reducing depression. I take Prozac and
the difference between being on Prozac and not
is very subtle. I still feel everything (happy,
sad, nervous, mad) but I'm just not as
unreasonably bummed about it.
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Charlie
Wilkes
drugged out, crazy, fucked up all his
life, Christ the shit he's been through
including psych wards and electroshock
treatments but now pulling down major cash
as a business consultant. Triumphing over
adversity, with a damn good life and a
well trained dog. One of our most lucid
regulars, despite (or maybe because of?)
a penchant for phat philly blunts.
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Karen
DuChateaux
aka Karibear
suffered from clinical depression for years
until some drug or something brought her out
of it. Some of her best friends "are
certifiable" and have various degrees of
psychoses. Familial mental disability.
Refuses to say whether or not she is
currently using drug or cognitive therapy
for mental illness.
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Mike
"DumbOxDumb"
Dufort
threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe
with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's
HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)
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Jim "Brain
Shivers"
Sabatke
Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
because of his depression/mental problems.
Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had
trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
the "brain shivers"
From: Jim Sabatke (jsab...@execpc.com)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST
EFFEXOR
"I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
wonders for me. The only down side is
that my blood pressure has elevated
somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
be really bad.
Good luck!
Jim
"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil
and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
time."
Jim
"After several years on Effexor IR, my
pdoc tried switching me to XR. I
experienced fairly severe Effexor
withdrawel until I went back to the IR."
Jim
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<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders specific to you,
if you are also mentally ill). If we all come forward, we can help
each other with our problems. Remember, mental illness is nothing to
be ashamed of. It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which
may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or idiot and/or
robot without your being aware of it).
Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and have been
added to this by mistake, so we can make our corrections and remove
you from the crazy person list.
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Michael Further Explains The Mental Illness List
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In the past, before Michael fixed things, this was a
way to shut people up and discredit people. Calling
them mentally ill. shelly told us not to even talk
to the mentally ill.
But it turned out most of the people doing the
accusing and finger pointing and "you better take
your meds" etc... were mentally ill themselves.
That's a huge story, and I SCOOPED IT.
MaryBeth for instance, was constantly telling
people to take their meds. Once I started to
do a little research, the floodgates opened
and an amazing story unfolded.
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LDRS News Glo
<< Killfile this guy and above all don't respond to him. His biggest
thrill is getting a rise out of someone.
FurPaw >><BR><BR>
Gotcha, thanks. I just banned him from emailing me too. Sheesh. Why is it that
every news group has to have at least one troll? Is it in the contract? LOL
Gloria
flick
> I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he was neutered about 3 weeks
> ago, a day before I got him. I think that's part of the problem, he's still
> feeling his "oats". It has tapered significantly around the house. The problem
> now is taking him to the park. I hate it when he starts humping the other dogs,
> especially the small ones. Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes
> it as a game and goes back. I'm sure it will stop as he matures, I just thought
> someone would have a suggestion for now when I take him to the park. Thanks,
> Perry.
It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to
completely leave his system after neutering, is what I
understand.
flick 100785
> Gloria
Rocky
> He does, however, still try to do it to dogs at the park.
> I have him on a 15 ft. lead, so I can monitor his behavior.
> Is there any trick to making him stop this unacceptable
> behavior?
A 6 foot lead.
Really, you have to have better control over your dog - no
tricks involved, just training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
The Puppy Wizard
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri9569EBA489CACau...@rocky-dog.com...
LDRS News Glo
<< It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to
completely leave his system after neutering, is what I
Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. LOL I'm certainly going to stick with
the little fellow. He's very playful and very funny. I've had Boston Terriers
since I was 15 and they're sooo funny. Pugs are funny also. I'm constantly
being entertained by them. Thank you for responding.
Gloria
