Transitioning dog to new owner

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Paul E. Schoen

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Sep 3, 2006, 4:25:50 PM9/3/06
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I put an ad on FreeCycle offering Muttley to someone who could give him a
better home, and offering to help by taking Muttley back for short periods
of time if they needed to go on vacation, or for any other reason. I got
one response that indicated this might cause him to become deeply
depressed. I have on two occasions had a friend keep Muttley for about a
week at a time while I was away, and he seemed to be OK. I feel like I
would enjoy seeing him again from time to time, but it might be better for
him (and also possibly for me) to have a "clean break". Of course I would
want the new owners to contact me if they had a problem with him, rather
than taking him to the pound, but I would think he would be happier with me
rather than at a boarding kennel, especially with his dislike of being
confined.

It will probably be a while before I find the right person to adopt him,
but I'd appreciate your opinions about this.

Thanks,

Paul


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Judy

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Sep 3, 2006, 5:09:16 PM9/3/06
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"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote in message
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>I put an ad on FreeCycle offering Muttley to someone who could give him a
>better home, and offering to help by taking Muttley back for short periods
>of time if they needed to go on vacation, or for any other reason. I got
>one response that indicated this might cause him to become deeply
>depressed.

I think it is entirely an individual thing.

We used to dog-sit for some friends who would leave their dog here for a
weekend or even a week or two at a time. She always adjusted, although it
was clearly a little confusing for her at times. When the friends could no
longer keep her, and we didn't want to add another dog to our household,
they found her a new, wonderful, home. They took her there for a few days'
trial and when it all worked out well, just never went back and got her.
They said they were concerned that it would confuse her but I suspect it had
more to do with them.

My SIL used to board her dog a half a dozen times a year. The place was
rather free and open - the dogs all lived together on one floor of the
house. While happy to see his family again, he always seemed to look on it
as his own vacation time.

Our breeder currently has a dog out "on loan" with a woman who has some
serious health problems. The woman wanted a dog but, because of her short
life expectancy, it really wasn't a good idea to make that commitment. So
she has a loaner. The dog is a real cuddler, quiet and just what the doctor
ordered. When the woman dies or has to go into a nursing home, the dog will
return to the breeder's house. She was never "for sale" and the breeder
will be very happy to get her back when her job as Full Time Therapy Dog is
over. (The dog has already made one trip back home and then was returned to
the woman when her health improved enough to stay at home again.)

My only hesitation in your situation - not knowing the dog or the people
involved - is that the dog's history is one of being moved around. For some
dogs, this will make them more adaptable. For others, it may make them more
worried each time their household changes, not knowing how it will affect
them. If I were in your position, I think I'd mention that I was willing to
board the dog in the future as long as it wasn't distressing to the dog.

Judy

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pfoley

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I don't see anything wrong with telling them that. I, personally, would
prefer someone who likes my dog mind my dog while I am away, rather than
boarding her in a kennel. Some dogs get depressed and can also pick up
germs in boarding kennels. In fact, that is what I do, I hire a friend of
my daugher's to live at my house with my dog if I go away for a few days.
She loves my dog and my dog loves her; so it works out good. My dog does
not do well in a kennel; she gets too stressed out and then stops eating.
I would also clearly state to the the new owners that you want them to
contact you first, if they decide they do not want the dog any longer for
any reason, and you will gladly take the dog back, if that is what you wish.
Some people might not have the right facility for such a large dog, and
since the dog is not trained yet might find the dog just too much for them
to handle.
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Sep 3, 2006, 5:50:27 PM9/3/06
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HOWEDY paulie,

Paul E. Schoen wrote:
Subject: Re: Transitioning dog to new owner

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From: Eric
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in...

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding
submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing
great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I
stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can
teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me
look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em,
and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their
heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T",
I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate
their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any
of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal
to someone who beat MY ass lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out
there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A
horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any
more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun
intended)... Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

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From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@crneckiy.com>
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!

"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:rQpW8.66560

> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to
> come to EVERY member of the family if you knew
> HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.

Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.

One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
here, to try the method and *judge the results
for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive
and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by
previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months.

They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her

Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.

Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him.

I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
He's offered help for free.)

M.

But that ain't good enough for you and your dog is it, paulie.

> I put an ad on FreeCycle offering Muttley to
> someone who could give him a better home,

On accHOWENT Of the pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin dog abusin mental cases you been askin for
advice can't tell you HOWE to make your dog not
choke when you walk IT on leash ten miles a day
so IT won't MURDER your kitty kat.

> and offering to help by taking Muttley back for
> short periods of time if they needed to go on
> vacation, or for any other reason.

That's NEVER a good idea.

> I got one response that indicated this might
> cause him to become deeply depressed.

Yeah. The same same happens to kids of divorced "weekend" parents.

> I have on two occasions had a friend keep Muttley for
> about a week at a time while I was away, and he seemed
> to be OK.

Muttly DON'T LIKE YOU paulie on accHOWENT of you choke an punish him.

> I feel like I would enjoy seeing him again from time to time,

Of curse.

> but it might be better for him (and also possibly
> for me) to have a "clean break".

Of curse.

> Of course I would want the new owners to contact me
> if they had a problem with him, rather than taking
> him to the pound,

On accHOWENT of janet's P-HOWEND will MURDER him.

> but I would think he would be happier with
> me rather than at a boarding kennel,

Probably not and he'd be SAFER there to boot.
At least they won't be CHOKIN him to keep him calm.

> especially with his dislike of being confined.

That's SHEER IDIOCY. Only hyperactive fearful
abused dogs are afraid to "be confined" THAT'S
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From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

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"Hoku Beltz" <h...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
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Aloha Sunny,

Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.

I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes
as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.

I went the training route first, and still had problems until I
found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.

Good luck,

Hoku
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Subject: "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing
With This I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And
It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time'Re: To Jerry -
Overcoming adult separation anxiety

From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13

Hi Steve,

Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.

It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.

Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).

They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.

The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.

Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell

===============

Subject: To Jerry

1 From: MarilynRammell
Date: Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email: "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@hotmail.com>

Hello Jerry,

A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.

In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'. They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.

She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else. The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.

They collected her and brought her to me. I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.

Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing. Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class. They were
absolutely delighted.

They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'. They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.

Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn

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"Anthony Testa" <testa52...@aol.com> wrote in message

We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.

Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn
down, etc. The next day we put her in the crate
again. This time we came home to a nice 2' x 3'
hole in our carpet in the middle of the living room,
right down to the cement.

I told my wife that we cannot afford to keep this dog.
We should go out and get a puppy.

<SNIP>

First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.

Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
the DDR.

This is an amazing god send to us.

First of all, Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks
for that gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect.
This testimonial is kind of winded so I will say this......

Jerry's product literally saved this dogs life.

Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry
told us the product works immediately and it did! She
does not bark at all during the day except when the
mailman drops mail into the slot on the door.

The manual for training works exactly as it says!

<SNIP>

Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.

You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
you my friend are a life saver!!!

Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would galdly
talk to them.

Thank you very much for all your help.

God bless you...
Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida

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Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

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> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it
> a try with my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault

Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).

Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

> It will probably be a while before I find the
> right person to adopt him, but I'd appreciate
> your opinions about this.

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"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

> Thanks,

BWEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:08:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Melinda/Sally

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:45:21 GMT,
Suja <spana...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote:
>Gwen Watson wrote:
>> The family is giving the dog up because apparently
>> he killed the next door neighbors cat. Out of respect
>> to the next door neighbors these people have chosen
>> to find new home for their malamute. It is really
>> very sad story they have told. For one IMO it
>> is the neighbors fault that their cat got into Miko's
>> yard and was killed.

> I don't get it. How is it the dog's fault that a furry critter that got
> into his yard got killed? If I were in these people's shoes, I would
> very politely request that the neighbors keep their animals off my
> property, but that's just me.

That's what I would do too. There have been a number of cats killed
here in our yard, by sighthounds or Siberians or a combination of the
above. They are apparently strays (our neighbor two doors down feeds
the stray cats, putting the food in the yard between us, what a good
idea). I don't like it at all, as we love cats and have indoor cats
(which our dogs are fine with), but I can't prevent it and it's not
our fault or our dogs' fault.

>> Though I can also understand
>> the situation in some ways. Pretty rotten deal. I also
>> wasn't aware that Malamute rescue is so full. Seems
>> as bad as GSD and Lab rescue. Pretty sad.

> All the rescues are always full, Gwen. The problem with Malamute rescue
> isn't that there is an overwhelming number of dogs like there is with
> Labs and GSDs (271 as opposed to the thousands), but there are very few
> homes that are suitable for them. The local Mal rescue person was
> telling me that their rescue is basically run by 7 or 8 volunteers, and
> they end up turning down 1/2 to 2/3rds of the applicants. They have
> anywhere between 2 to 12 dogs in rescue at one time. They don't do
> adoption days (where the dogs are displayed in PetsMart or some such),
> because every single person who sees one of these dogs wants to go home
> with them without realizing what they're getting themselves into.

Same situation with Sibes, but even more people
want those pretty fluffy dogs with blue eyes.

Sally Hennessey


From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:57:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Fear aggression

While most of my dogs are well-behaved when left
alone unconfined, my Whippets are not, and it is
simply not possible to sufficiently proof' my home
from dogs that can jump baby gates and get onto
tables and counters when no one is home.

No, of course they don't do that when we're
home, but they sure do when we're gone.

They aren't really destructive, though my female that enjoys
chewing up plastic, but they're very food oriented, and their
definition of food differs from ours, so they're crated for
their own protection. I've found crate training to be very
useful when a dog is ill or injured and needs to be confined
for medical purposes; and this happens more often than you
might think.

I hate to spoil the image of cruel Americans locking up their
dogs in boxes all day, but, well, it's BS, so there you go.

To the OP: it's very difficult to say what's going on with
your dog without observing him. I've had several very fearful
dogs, one of which had some minor fear aggression when she felt
absolutely trapped, but this resolved on its own as she became
more confident.

If there are specific things which trigger Sunny's fear aggression,
you could work on desensitizing her to those things, but in general,
I think you need either a behaviorist or a very good trainer who
deals with aggression problems.

Mustang Sally

> Why would I want to try different methods -
> - some of which don't make sense to me -

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From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:32:52 -0400

Subject: Re: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats

>> > but I'm inclined to believe that the "Wits' End Dog Training
>> > Manual" did have something to do with it, too. :-)

>> which exercises did you find most helpful?

> You know, what I found as most helpful were the magic
> words "Good boy, Clyde" and "Good girl, Bonnie". The
> dogs do ANYTHING if I just utter these words. I suspect
> that they are secretly reading Jerry's posts to rpdb. <g>

>> > for me, it was the best thing that I could wish for -
>> > no violence at all,

>> i've been playing at training my own dogs since i was 3-4
>> years old (probably longer, but my memory has its limits).
>> in any event, it was long before i'd ever heard of Mr. Howe.
>> somehow, without the benefit of Mr. Howe's "superior" methods,
>> i managed not to treat any of my dogs violently.

>> > very easy to apply, and best of all, always gives
>> > wonderful results.

>> that's untrue. one of his favorite methods (using a shake can
>> as positive punishment) does not work with either of my dogs.
>> one ignores it (he's not bothered by loud, sudden noises) and
>> the other loses all control of her bowels and bladder when
>> startled by sudden noises/movement. so, like most training
>> tools, the shake can may vary from benignly ineffective to
>> downright abusive, depending on the situation.

> This is nothing at all like what Jerry says. Really,
> shelly, why not READ the manual?

I've read the thing (I refuse to call it a manual), and I can tell
you, based on experience with high prey breeds, that "good boy" and
"good girl" are not particularly useful when redirecting high prey
drive.

Mustang Sally


> - especially when they're touted by a person who
> is verbally abusive and lies about me?

CITE WON LIE racetrack silly?

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:54:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Injured By Dogs????

There are some dogs that will never bite a human under any
circumstances, and some that will bite a human when in pain.

Tasha is apparently one of the latter - - she bit my hand
when I closed her paw in a baby gate - - and I don't think
any less of her because of it, nor do I consider it a
reflection on her training. The incident showed us that
that type of baby gate wasn't the best design for use
with dogs, and we got rid of it.

Mustang Sally

--------

Dogs DON'T BITE from PAIN racetrack silly
they BITE when they're AFRAID <{): ~ ( >


From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:30:40 -0500

Subject: Re: my brother's dog

Assuming you could have found someone who knew what
they were doing. When the problems with Justy and
Tasha started, we contacted everyone we could think
of, including the Dal rescue people and trainers.
There weren't any behaviorists around, but someone,
I don't remember who, referred us to one in another
state who did phone consultations!

Of course, that was of limited value. In retrospect,
I still think that situation was unsalvageable. But
we sure learned a lot about multi-dog interactions,
dog aggression and managing less severe fighting
situations.

It was months before hearing a dog growl
didn't make my heartbeat race.

Mustang Sally

> Mustang Sally

HOWEDY racetrack silly you miserable lyin dog
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case,

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 7 Jun 2006 10:20:22 -0700, "star...@aol.com" <star...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> > He is trying to change the people who deal with
> >> > dogs so that ALL dogs will be handled the way they
> >> > should be.

But THAT AIN'T gonna happen HERE on accHOWENT of we
got a CONSPIRACY of MENTALLY ILL LYING DOG MURDERIN
COWARDS like racetrack silly who operates a "SHELTER"
which MURDERS 67% of their RESCUE DOGS <{): ~ ( >

> >> Not here he's not.

RIGHT.

> >> Here on these newsgroups,

On The Freakin Simply Grand Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums The
Simply Grand Amazing Puppy Wizad has IDENTIFIED
EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED the CONSPIRATORS who jerk
choke shock bribe crate intimidate and murder innocent
defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT <{): ~ ) >

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"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness. Either she
was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian with the
rock steady temperament, or Tasha was going to
kill her, right in front of us. My DH's first
dog, and still the canine love of his life,"
racetrack silly <{) : ~ ( >

AND LIKE THIS:

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.

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From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Tues, May 24 2005 3:06 am

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700, TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com wrote:

> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 19:23:51 -0700, dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:

> >> <major snippage>

> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,

> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
> > RESCUE dogs.

> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.

From:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...

<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality might be
helpful, too. I'm president of the board of our local shelter.
The new board has almost succeeded in pulling the APL out of
financial ruin, and very soon now we'll be able to turn our
attention to making improvements in our shelter, increasing
adoptions, etc. We are in the largest county in our state,
and it's also one of the poorest. We take in around 3,000
animals a year and euthanize two-thirds of them.>>

Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%. Actually, closer to 67%. IS
that really what "rescue" means, Sally? Killing 2 out of
every 3 dogs one "rescues"?

Geeez!

> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
> up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his lunatic claims?

What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then? The part about
your "mental illness"? Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're
both even on that.

Though I still can't help wondering how "sane" someone who
loves dogs can be when running a shelter that puts down two
thirds of the dogs it "rescues".

> Mustang Sally (disgusted)

Lucy (likewise)


From: Ward Manager
Date: Tues, May 24 2005 1:59 pm

HOWEDY Lucy,

lucyaa...@claque.net wrote:
> sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> > On 23 May 2005 10:41:59 -0700,
> > TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com wrote:

> > > HOWEDY racetrack silly,

> > > sighthounds & siberians wrote:

> > >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,

> > > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
> > > RESCUE dogs.

> > Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.

> > Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for
> > Jerry to make up whatever shit he wants to 'support'
> > his lunatic claims?

> What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then?
> The part about your "mental illness"?

You mean, THIS PART, Lucy?:

"For me anyway, the more I think of myself as
partially disabled, the more I am that way.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.

Mustang Sally "

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA!!!

IT'S INSANE TO TALK BUSINESS WITH MENTAL CASES.

AIN'T IT, Lucy.

> Why, you call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.

NOT QUITE, Lucy. The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't
HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET IT
on accHOWENT of HE AIN'T MENTALLY ILL like the
majority of HOWER DOG LOVERS, according to their
own POSTED CASE HISTORIES.

> Though I still can't help wondering how "sane"
> someone who loves dogs can be when running a
> shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs
> it "rescues".

Oh? THAT'S NORMAL here abHOWETS.

THAT'S the NATURE of SHELTER and RESCUE DOG LOVERS.

==============

> >> he's trying to insult people as much as he can,

By QUOTING their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES.

LIKE THIS:


Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63...@4ax.com...

Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.

The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.

What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.

I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.

I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.

Sally Hennessey

"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

> >> often people he's never had any contact with.

NOT NECESSARY racetrack silly, your POSTED CASE
HISTORIES are EVIDENCE of EVERYTHING The Freakin
Simply Grand Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ <{); ~ ) >

> >> He lies,

CITE WON LIE racetrack silly?

> >> he slanders,

The best defense to slander is TRUTH, racetrack silly.
CITE WON UNSUBSTANTIATED "SLANDER" <{); ~ ) >

> >> and he almost never offers any constructive advice.

Oh? Then HOWE COME HE got all them 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students all over the WHOWEL
WILD WORLD who've POSTED their own 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE, racetrack silly?

YOU CALL THEM LIARS and their posts FORGERIES <{); ~ ) >

> > i do wish he would be nicer,

LikeWIZE. That'll happen when the LYIN MURDERIN MENTAL
CASES don't post here abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE <{); ~ ) >

> > he'd get more respect and maybe the rest of you
> > would listen and give his methods a try....

Sorry, Crystal, THEY'RE INSANE and they PREFER HURTIN
dogs to compensate for their fragile defective egos,
weak fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes.

> This is one of the things that exasperates me about Jerryites.

racetrack silly mean The Freakin Simply Grand Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students <{); ~ ) >

> I just said I've successfully rehabbed fearful dogs.

CITE WON please, racetrack silly?:

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:12:56 -0500
Local: Wed,Feb 9 2005 9:12 am
Subject: Seiure land

OK, living in this house is an epileptic Greyhound
that hasn't had a seizure in 3 years, and epileptic
IG that has a seizure (sometimes GM, but inconsistent)
every couple of months or so, a non-epileptic Siberian
that has a GM seizure every year or so, and a very
badly bred Miniature Dachshund that has atypical
apparent seizure activity at irregular intervals
(but once on the same day the IG had one).

So half an hour ago, I hear strange cat howling
noises from the kitchen, and upon investigating,
there's Dolce having a tonic seizure on the kitchen
table.

It must be the house.

Mustang Sally


From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fencing

It's astounding. We used livestock electric fence
at the bottom of our fence some years back because
of a certain digging husky with wanderlust. This
was fairly new electric fencing, the shock was mild,
said husky touched it any number of times, and I can
guarandamntee you it didn't do anything horrible to
her body or her mind.

If I live to be 100, I will never understand the
mentality of people who have no knowledge of a
subject but still feel free, apparently compelled
even, to opine on that subject.

When it's people in another country,
it's nothing short of mind-boggling.

Mustang Sally

From: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 14:21:31 -0500

Subject: Re: Stop Barking Products

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:07:02 -0600,
Katra <K...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>"sighthounds etc." wrote:

>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:50:59 -0600, Katra
>> <K...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> Sorry, I don't hang out here enough anymore
> to recognize the morons... :-) Except for Jerry.

They can be difficult to recognize when they pretend
to be someone else. It must be a pretty fun game, as
both Jerry and Mikey devote a lot of time to it,
especially when one considers what busy people they are.

> Bark collars are supposed to work pretty well and a good
> one runs less han $100.00. He ought to just try one and
> see if it works. He won't be out much. <shrugs>

There is some controversy about the humane-ness of
citronella collars because dogs' noses are so sensitive.
I've tried citronella collars on our kenneled adoption
dogs, and they didn't appear to be able to figure out
the connection between their noise and the squirt.

>Or keep the dog inside.....

Now that's a pretty foolproof method of
dealing with problematic outdoor barking.

Mustang Sally

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:43:17 -0500
Subject: Re: New dog, need reassurance

The owner is the critical thing though - - you set the rules,
you decide what's acceptable, your attitude conveys that to
your dogs.

We currently have two males that really don't get along.

To minimize stress for animals and humans, they are kept separate.

No amount of training or alpha attitude is going to change
how they feel about each other, but they won't go after each
other if DH or I is/am present.

They will we're not around, though.

Mustang Sally

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 10:57:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Fear aggression

While most of my dogs are well-behaved when left
alone unconfined, my Whippets are not, and it is
simply not possible to sufficiently proof' my home
from dogs that can jump baby gates and get onto
tables and counters when no one is home.

No, of course they don't do that when we're
home, but they sure do when we're gone.

They aren't really destructive, though my female that enjoys
chewing up plastic, but they're very food oriented, and their
definition of food differs from ours, so they're crated for
their own protection. I've found crate training to be very
useful when a dog is ill or injured and needs to be confined
for medical purposes; and this happens more often than you
might think.

I hate to spoil the image of cruel Americans locking up their
dogs in boxes all day, but, well, it's BS, so there you go.

To the OP: it's very difficult to say what's going on with
your dog without observing him. I've had several very fearful
dogs, one of which had some minor fear aggression when she felt
absolutely trapped, but this resolved on its own as she became
more confident.

If there are specific things which trigger Sunny's fear aggression,
you could work on desensitizing her to those things, but in general,
I think you need either a behaviorist or a very good trainer who
deals with aggression problems.

Mustang Sally

From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:30:40 -0500

Subject: Re: my brother's dog

Assuming you could have found someone who knew what
they were doing. When the problems with Justy and
Tasha started, we contacted everyone we could think
of, including the Dal rescue people and trainers.
There weren't any behaviorists around, but someone,
I don't remember who, referred us to one in another
state who did phone consultations!

Of course, that was of limited value. In retrospect,
I still think that situation was unsalvageable. But
we sure learned a lot about multi-dog interactions,
dog aggression and managing less severe fighting
situations.

It was months before hearing a dog growl
didn't make my heartbeat race.

Mustang Sally

> I'm not a trainer, just a rescuer with enough knowledge
> and experience to train my dogs to the level that I need
> them to be.

YOu're a lyin dog abusing mental case who's dogs
are ALL DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-
EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{); ~ ) >

> I've done a lot of reading, gone to classes with a number
> of different trainers, and attended seminars, and come
> away with positive reinforcement-based methods and techniques
> that make sense to me.

You mean LIKE THIS?:

"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness."

"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message

news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...

Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.

I'm starting to see some similarities here.

Sally Hennessey

"My spayed Siberian bitch marks and covers all
over the place, as did my spayed Dalmatian bitch.
The Borzoi doesn't, but she is *extremely* submissive."

Sally Hennessey

"Oops, hit "send" too fast. Of course bitches in
season are advertising, so that type of behavior
might be typical of Murphy. And some folks think
that spaying actually increases dominant/aggressive
behavior in bitches that were dominant/aggressive
beforehand, so perhaps marking behavior also
increases in those bitches."

Sally Hennessey

From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 04:17:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Tara and Sally, kindred spirits in dog killing

PATHETIC, eh Soup?

"@d o g t v dot com" <""m i c h e ae l \
"@d o g t v dot com"> wrote in message
news:PeicnR5oY7Q...@comcast.com...

> sighthounds etc. wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:56:36 -0400,
> >"Tara O." <boxert...@netscape.net> wrote:

> >> Damn Gwen, don't mince words or anything.
> >> I will assume, from the above, that in your eyes, I
> >> am not trustworthy to rescue Boxers or make decisions
> >> on who gets to adopt them...having killed my own dog
> >> and all.

> > You're not the only one. After numerous training
> > classes, behavioral consultations, and hundreds
> > of dollars in vet bills, I killed my Dalmatian several
> > years ago due to extreme dog-aggressiveness.

> Did you have to pay for it, or did the local Animal
> Protection League, where you were board President
> while 70% of the animals coming in for rescue were
> being killed, give you a freebie?

> > Either she was going to kill Tasha, my Siberian
> > with the rock steady temperament, or Tasha was
> > going to kill her, right in front of us.
> > My DH's first dog, and still the canine love of his life.
> > Good thing that Gwen is perfect in her
> > stewardship of her animals.

> Gwen didn't murder her own dog.

> You and Tara O. did.

> michael
> live.. dogtv.comn

> > Mustang Sally

Sally Hennessey

> Probably because they grab on and WON'T let go.
> Not that they can lock their jaws...just that
> they won't let go of the chewie/arm/whatever.

I had a Dalmatian like that. Better ban Dals, huh?
Sally Hennessey

===========

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 19 Jul 2005 09:50:15 -0700, lucy...@claque.net wrote:
>
> > I'm very sorry for what you're going through with Tasha
>
> Your idol's not.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard LIVES to WATCH YOUR DEAD DOGS DIE
from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE and PSYCHOGENIC
SEIZURES aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, racetrack silly,
you dog abusing mental case <{); ~ ) >

From: Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 23:10:40 -0400

Subject: Re: Aggressive dogs at class and off-lead
sessions in puppy classes
On 8 Jun 2001 02:39:01 GMT, australian.sheph...
@cadvision.com (Rocky) wrote:

> Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in
> news:ld90it4e9djtc7li6...@4ax.com:

>> Sally Hennessey (feeling badly for Blue, who had two
>> seizures last night and is very sore today)

> Geeze, Sally - that's too bad. How long does
> it take for Blue to recover fully?

Probably a couple of hours. He is what GH folks call a spook
(combination of genetics and the way GH pups are raised), and
unfortunately the worst part of his seizures is that he is so
afraid of them.

He tries to run away, which only gets him to a worse place
in the house to have them, and as soon as he starts to come
out of them he tries to get up and run.

Judging from his reactions, he is at least partially blind
when he first comes out of the seizures. It's very different
from our first epileptic GH, who (I know this will sound
ridiculous) didn't seem to be upset by his seizures.

Last night, he was "back" within 20 minutes or so, but still
wobbly and kind or wired - - you know the routine. He really
has a strange seizure pattern, or non-pattern, and I know his
vet doesn't think the seizures are going to stay this far apart.

But hey, he's just a vet!

Sally Hennessey

> That should tell you something.

Naaah. But THIS WILL, INDEEDY:

Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in
news:ld90it4e9djtc7li6...@4ax.com:

> Sally Hennessey (feeling badly for Blue, who
> had two seizures last night and is very sore
> today)

Geeze, Sally - that's too bad. How long does
it take for Blue to recover fully?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Misery LOVES company, eh racetrack silly?

> Paul


"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>

From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
> joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

---------------

Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92C1EC10BFE7au...@130.133.1.4...

Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?

Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I only
use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when it's
reallyreally important that my dogs get away from something.

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day

Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> One of the things that frustrates me the most about agility
> is that people seem to think that ALL dogs are fragile,
> shrinking flowers who cannot be corrected in any way.

Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take correction so
much to heart -- I'll try something different. Right now, he's
just getting the confidence to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14

Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.net>:

> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
> suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
> that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
> the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
> crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.

Why did you blow it?

--Matt

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????

Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking was to
> run faster than my dad and NOT GET CAUGHT. so what does
> that say?

I learned to put a comic book down the back of my pants. And
sometimes my parents pretended not to notice. In retrospect,
that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918au...@130.133.1.4...

> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.

> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, matty?:

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 15 May 2005 16:03:05 GMT

Subject: Re: What does "bupkis" really mean

shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> you've just described elliott. i don't think Lucy would
> have had a clue what to do with him, though. while he's
> easy and forgiving in terms of handling, i think his prey
> drive and dog aggression would've had her in tears.

Hmm. You've got a point. Rocky is dog-dominant, a surprise to
almost everyone - some of whom know him very well. I wonder how
well Lucy reads dog? If she can't, she'd get some ugly
surprises.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAA!!!

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 24 Mar 2005 17:16:47
Subject: Re: help with identifing a dog breed

A mature dog comfortable in its surroundings often
won't need to physically assert its dominance.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2004 16:58:38 GMT
A Useful Dog

... Rocky, OTOH, I crate when a new dog is introduced -
while he's quick to back off in times of trouble, he's
fairly dominant. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!

"dallygirl" <kwic...@hotmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many cases
> causing more harm than good.

Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.

It's a good thing that most of us are here because of dogs'
well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!


"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss

"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish
Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want
To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu>,
clicked their heels and said:

> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.

yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album

lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

Paul E. Schoen

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"pfoley" <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I just talked to someone this evening who will be meeting Muttley tomorrow,
and hopefully will be a good new owner. She has a 12 year old daughter and
also an older dog, and she feels it would be good for the dog to have some
company. I told her that he was scheduled for obedience training and could
continue with them. I will see how Muttley reacts to her walking him
around. It will take a physically strong, and mentally dominant, person to
be able to handle him. She says she has a large fenced yard. Hopefully it
will be secure enough to allow him to run. He has jumped over a normal 4
foot fence. She is in Glen Burnie, about a half-hour drive. I'd prefer
closer, but maybe this is better.

A friend has found two people who are also interested, and each of them has
2 or 3 acres for him to run in. I would like to interview each of these
prospective new owners to make sure Muttley has the best environment. I
have very mixed feelings, a combination of relief and sadness at his
impending departure, but I'm sure it will be for the best. Photon expresses
a very heartfelt mee-ow!

Thanks,

Paul


Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com

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"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote in message
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>
> "pfoley" <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:iZHKg.14195$Qf.1...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
<SNIP SHEER IDIOCY>

> I just talked to someone this evening who will be meeting
> Muttley tomorrow, and hopefully will be a good new owner.

You mean on accHOWENT of you can't get any ADVICE
HOWE to TRAIN your dog not to attack your kat, paul?

> She has a 12 year old daughter and also an older dog,

That's good. Dogs love kids on accHOWENT of
they don't hurt and intimidate them <{); ~ ) >

> and she feels it would be good for the dog to have some
> company. I told her that he was scheduled for obedience
> training and could continue with them.

That so? You gonna send them to janet boss? She's
a lyin dog murderin mental case, paulie <{) : ~ ( >

> I will see how Muttley reacts to her walking him around.

You can't walk him yourself.

> It will take a physically strong, and mentally
> dominant, person to be able to handle him.

That's SHEER IDIOCY you freakin dog abusin ignorameHOWES.
You can TRAIN ANY DOG to come and heel in minutes if you
know HOWE to pupperly handle the leash and install a command
as a conditional reflex and PRAISE IN ADVANCE.

LIKE THIS:
"Greg M. Silverman"
<gmsNOS...@no.umn.edu <mailto:gmsNOS...@no.umn.edu>>
wrote in message

Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever
your alias of the day is,


I have to say that our dog heels much better
than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.


And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't
they all?).


Cheers! Greg


-- --------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

From: <n> To: "Jerry Howe"
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much


Hi Jerry,
When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had him
for 3 years.


It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book training
with him.


Where I used to say "come" and then say "good boy"
when he obeyed, I have reversed it with a "good boy" first.
It really does work. He was very confused at first,
wondering what he had done to get the praise.
But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.


Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.
Thanks,
N

--------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for
"Read The F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual
and it works very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.


Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"


There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.


For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!


My dogs never went to puppy-training
(lucky for them), maybe this helped too.


Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


---------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

From: "Paul B" <NOS...@clear.net.nz>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:04:56 +1300
Subject: Re: It doesn't work. Do it harder.
"Chris Williams" <k9ap...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16008-3E5...@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> Interesting question posed in this article: why do humans
> persist in doing things that are unsuccessful?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/­­article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/15/­­HO240381.DTL

There may be a few reasons, sometimes it's ignorance, simply
a failure to realise what you are doing is futile and you need
to adopt a different approach. Sometimes you may be learning
a new technique and need to experiment with it to be sure it's
not just the way you are applying it that is the problem, you
may need to try slight variations of the same technique to see
if there is a different result before you dismiss it completely.

Sometimes you are doing the only thing you can think of, even
though it's not working but you simply don't know what else to do.

Either way as long as you are able to reflect and learn from your
experiences and move forward then a few failed attempts are all
part of the learning process.

My best example was teaching both dogs to walk to heel, alone and
together in the brace position. I was determined to teach them without

any aids (choke, prong collars or treats etc) and without forcing the
heel by jerking or restraining them using a leash, I knew it could be

done, despite the scorn of friends and even family who "knew better"
(but had never actually trained a dog in their lives).

It took me a while trying various ways to entice them to want to walk
beside me, someone else at the dog park whose dog appeared to heel
very well ( but held it's ears back and tail down and looked very
intimidated about being at heel) suggested I give up and use a choke
collar like him, but I was obstinate.

One day like a switch it all fell into place, first one dog then the
other then both together all walked to heel, then I tried without
leads and it worked, the dogs were happy and so was I.


I had persevered and succeeded and learnt a lot in the process.


People said "it took you long enough" but now I could teach heel easily
and quickly when I need to do it again. And now when I walk my dogs
and I see the same scornful people with their dogs still pulling on
the choke collars saying "heel, heel" it's me who has the last laugh.


Paul
------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:


No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..


we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.


She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.


One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.


two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.


And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..


actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.


She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.


She also does her commands on cue..and doesn't look for a treat.


Amanda.


------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree with
(or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual ...
BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you
could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise
with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin
practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command.


He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he's
stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit
more).


For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how
your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that
woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks
deserves everything she gets.


Even if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin
fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho').


Best, ben


--------------------

> She says she has a large fenced yard.

janet will teach them to jerk an choke an shock
your dog and our dog will ESCAPE their yard.

LIKE THIS:

From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.


Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.


At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.


By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.


Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.


The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.


Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.


Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!


I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.


Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....


~misty


---------------


From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?


Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....


Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
---------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news


16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.


I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.


Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.


Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.


I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.


I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.


IOW a great companion and friend.


Thanks Jerry!


---------------

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message


news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.


Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.


The last time, Peach didn't come back home.


I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.


She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.


I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.


I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.


The price was too high:-( ~misty


--------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message


news:12208-3BB...@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.

Hi Cathy!


Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..


I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.


Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs. An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.


I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat. Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.


The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.


Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.


I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.


Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods. One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D


I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks. I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.


If you want my phone number, e-mail me. We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.


~misty


========

> Hopefully it will be secure enough to allow him to run.

No. He'll be HOWETA there just like HOWE he got
HOWETA his original HOWES. Dogs run HOWET
on their ABUSERS, paulie, JUST LIKE HOWE kids
do. THEY DON'T GET LOST.

> He has jumped over a normal 4 foot fence.

Naaaah?

> She is in Glen Burnie, about a half-hour drive. I'd prefer
> closer, but maybe this is better.

You're generHOWESITY EXXXCEEDS all reason.

> A friend has found two people who are also interested,
> and each of them has 2 or 3 acres for him to run in. I
> would like to interview each of these prospective new
> owners to make sure Muttley has the best environment.

That so?

> I have very mixed feelings, a combination of relief and
> sadness at his impending departure, but I'm sure it will
> be for the best.

You're a IMBECILE.

> Photon expresses a very heartfelt mee-ow!

You could TRAIN your dog an kat to be PALS
in WON DAY if you stopped ABUSING him.

LIKE THIS:

ballzde...@gmail.com wrote:
> Well I am happy to reply that so far after 10
> minutes of work and the cans from mr Howes guide,

You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >


> I have instilled the "come" command to Riley.


Good. You mean INSTALLED the come command as
a conditional reflex. Be SHORE to perform the
EXXXORCISES four times in each of four locations.


> He is an extremley smart dog, I have never had
> to go to the third or fourth try.

AND LIKE THIS:

From: "BarbnBeau" <bdea...@cogeco.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:52:30 -0500
Re: Puppy Wizard's Website
Hi Buzzsaw


Not a Thing to lose ...But a Lot To Gain!!


I can only speak from my experience.. I have a 8 month
old miniature poodle, and although I had done some basic
training with him we had a few barking issues ..ugh


I am happy to tell you, I contacted Jerry at the email
addy I posted and he was so great! I wasn't following
the technique precisely but he helped me get back on track.


Beau is doing sooooo well it is really a thrill working
with him, and seeing the remarkable changes.


Now I can ask for "recall" (come) both on and off lead
and it is immediate!


the first time I ask.


Best of Luck to you,


Remember if you need help or explanation contact Jerry ..
he will be more than happy to help anyway he can.


Cheers
Barb
---------
> Thanks,

Subject : The Wits end dog training method - THANK YOU!

Dear Jerry


I have just got to thank you so very much.


I had a gutful of the sadistic crap that gets dished out as
"dog training", I read a bunch of books that just seemed wrong
and then I started trawling the web and found it was worse -
bulletin boards full of people, advocates of pin-down techniques
and shock collars.


I just couldn't believe it. Some of the methods the so called
"professionals" were championing turned my stomach and in the
absence of a voice of reason many people seemed to be taking
the advice. Was this the only way to ever train my dog?


Many of the methods thankfully I never had the stomach to
even try, it all just seemed like constantly pushing against
a resisting force.


Then I stumbled across a post from the puppy wizard - it
was honestly like an epiphany for me. In an instant the
bullshit facade that holds together these peoples brand
of "logic" just crumble away, suddenly I saw very clearly
indeed.


I then read many of your posts and eventually
after some searching found the manual.


I read it and felt like a weight had been lifted.


Now me and my furry best friend have found our
path, one that we both seem very happy with.


We are both very much in debt to your kindness
and compassionate wisdom.


I think it was Gandhi who said that "you can be in a minority
of one, but the truth is still the truth". These words seemed
so appropriate after finding your methods in a sea of countless
posts promoting repetitively violent and abusive training.


On top of that I felt a little of the pioneering spirit of the
internet, like someone had reached out across a great distance,
put a hand on my shoulder and said.."it's cool, just love your
dog, listen to him ".


Thank You, over and over Thank You! You have given me and a
young and very enthusiastic Border Collie a way to a much better
life together.


Long live the Puppy Wizard!


Cornwall UK


PS - Keep up the good work, keep telling it HOWE it really is.


--------------------------

> Paul

From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).

--Larry

Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS face for
five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

--Marshall


Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:00:53 -0400, "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net>
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>"pfoley" <pfo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:iZHKg.14195$Qf.1...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote in message
>> news:44fb3b73$0$10206$ecde...@news.coretel.net...
>>> I put an ad on FreeCycle offering Muttley to someone who could give him
>>> a
>>> better home, and offering to help by taking Muttley back for short
>>> periods
>>> of time if they needed to go on vacation, or for any other reason. I got
>>> one response that indicated this might cause him to become deeply
>>> depressed. I have on two occasions had a friend keep Muttley for about a
>>> week at a time while I was away, and he seemed to be OK. I feel like I
>>> would enjoy seeing him again from time to time, but it might be better
>>> for
>>> him (and also possibly for me) to have a "clean break". Of course I
>>> would
>>> want the new owners to contact me if they had a problem with him, rather
>>> than taking him to the pound, but I would think he would be happier with
>> me
>>> rather than at a boarding kennel, especially with his dislike of being
>>> confined.
>>>
>>> It will probably be a while before I find the right person to adopt him,
>>> but I'd appreciate your opinions about this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>

Hello Paul,

Just wanted to warn you about this pervert,
newsgroup abuser and convicted felon who is trolling
the room. His alias is The Amazing Puppy Wizard
and real name is Jerry Howe.

Since you are new here, DO NOT reply to this well
known netloon and troll. Once he baits you as he
does with others, you became troll bait and he will
flame you and harass you through this newsgroup and in email.

PLEASE killfile this well known Jerry Howe aka
The Amazing Puppy Wizard who is using alot of alias in
here. He is a pathological liar, pervert and
bastard net kook.

He has been spamming random newsgroups trying to sell a
scam device and his moronic Wits' End Dog Training Method. He's
a sick individual and a convicted felon. Please complain to
ab...@rr.com and then killfile him.

All he does is slander and defame people in
here and never listens when told to stop. He knows
nothing about dog training or canine behavior.

He just makes this up, his nose gets longer and
longer like Pinocchio due to lying for years
and he has been abusively trolling this newsgroup
and others for years.

He keeps putting " XXX " in each word, which means
that he is so perverted and he is mentally ill and
off his medication and it is better that all of
you keep him in your killfiles for the time being.

Please avoid replying to messages from all his aliases.

The aliases to killfile are:

A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet"
<AtHisMastersF...@MuchoMail.Com>
AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory HushMail.Com
AtHisMastersFeet MuchoMail.Com
IHateToSayItButITOLDYOUSO Inbox.Com
MarshallDermerAlpha1UofWI MUCHOMAIL.COM
PerryStalsis Animail.Net
The Simply Amazing Grand Puppy Wizard
TheAmazingPussyWizard HushMail.Com
TheAmazingPuppyWizard Mail.Com
ThePuppyFaerie AniMail.Net
ThePuppyProphet AniMail.Net
ThePuppyWizard
ThePussyWizard
b...@yahoo.com
Jason James
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@hotmail.com
The_Fershtunken_Beef_Stroganoff_Counc...@HotMail.Com
A_Poor_Uneducated_Backyard_Sha...@HotMail.Com

Add them to the killfilters in your newsreader program to block him
permanently.

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