Bullying Behaviour
Steve
huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
repeatedly to the point of stalking. It doesn't matter if it's a male or
female or a pup, he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't
bitten mine yet.
I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed it get into fights
when dogs stand up to him. Now this owner doesn't strike me as the sharpest
tool in the shed but he's not that stupid that he can't see the problem but
he chooses to blame everyone elses dog particularly when its a staffie that
sticks up for itself.
I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
get ugly. So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog
and mine and just shoved it away, if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot
and save him the cost of euthanasing the thing. This tactic has worked til
now and I've told this guy that he needs to work on his dog but like every
halfwit he knows everything about everything.
Local council and the rangers are under resourced so that route is no good
and proving him and his dog have breached the Companion Animals Act is a bit
difficult.
Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury?
Kathleen
Stay away from public dog parks?
IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.
Steve
"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:t6Krm.65852$Y83....@newsfe21.iad...
> Stay away from public dog parks?
>
> IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.
>
>
Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.
Kathleen
It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need
to "socialize" my dogs (or myself). I've got a big back yard, access to
hundreds of acres of trails, creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs to
interact with one another and no burning desire to chat with
semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Lyin Spammin Slanderin Defamin Dog Child an Horse Abusin
Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable
Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:hnKrm.65853$Y83....@newsfe21.iad...
> Steve wrote:
>
>> "Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:t6Krm.65852$Y83....@newsfe21.iad...
>
>>>Stay away from public dog parks?
EXXXCELLENT ADVICE~! kathleen does likeWIZE on accHOWENTA
she CAN'T TRAIN HER OWN fear aggressive / shy / hyperactive dogs.
>>>IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.
But of curse~! And kathleen "SEEM" to GOT IT ALL~!
You an your ill trained HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs are a threat to EVERY WON.
>> Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.
Two or three of kathleen's own dogs are JUST LIKE THAT
even amongst each other~!
> It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need to
> "socialize" my dogs (or myself).
INDEED? You're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASE who's OWN DOGS are AGGRESSIVE
to dogs AND PEOPLE at the doggy park~!
> I've got a big back yard, access to hundreds of acres of trails, creeks
> and ponds, a pack of four dogs to interact with one
> another and no burning desire to chat with semi-strangers with
> ill-mannered dogs.
Oh? Oh, INDEED??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
kat wrote:
> "Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:2XXLl.9051$zm7....@newsfe19.iad...
>
>>kat wrote:
>
>>>"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>news:dSWLl.11295$BZ3....@newsfe12.iad...
>
>>>>Janet Boss wrote:
>
>>>>>In article <uIKdnSBWX53Uk53X...@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>"kat" <katl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside. It
>>>>>>happens mostly when Shadow is running and/or chasing a ball.
>>>>>>Distracting her with her own ball chase doesn't work. I generally
>>>>>>corral her and work on a quiet command but so far no luck . Since I'm
>>>>>>a novice at this training stuff any tips would be appreciated :)
>
>>>>>>Kathy
>
>>>>>I'm not sure why the above behavior is actually a problem. Sounds like
>>>>>PLAY to me! I've had pups who grab onto the older dog's tail while
>>>>>they fetch, jump all over them, whatever. It evolves with training and
>>>>>one-on-one play.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if it's play or not. Cooper chases Zane when Zane's
>>>>playing ball, running alongside, barking maniacally and nipping at his
>>>>flanks, neck, face and ears.
>
>>>Sounds like what is happening here. Sometimes she does the running and
>>>nipping as he is chasing the ball (no barking) and then all three on the
>>>way
>
>>>back. Are we doomed to taking them out separately? That creates problems
>>>too as the one left behind in the house goes nuts.
>>
>>How well do they interact when there's no ball involved?
>
> Not well. Only recently has Shadow started tolerating Remi a shade more.
> There is still frequent growling and lashing out. Of course Remi's habit
> of
> bounding and jumping into a situation (regardless of which animal happens
> to be in the way) doesn't help.
>
>> Zane seems oblivious to Cooper's badgering as long as he's got a ball.
>> But on a couple of occasions Zane has gotten stressed at various other
>> factors and has lashed out at Cooper for relatively minor infractions
>> (assuming you didn't know their cummulative history).
>>
>>If Shadow's not venting on Remi at other times I'd assume it's play and
>>ignore the noise.
>
> No it's not play on Shadow's end. I'm not sure what it is on Remi's end.
>
> In my situation, I avoid allowing Cooper to antagonize Zane, even
> though Zane is not visibly reacting to the provocation at the time. He's
> clearly keeping score on some level.
>
> Yes we stop any negative interaction as soon as it occurs too. I'm hoping
> it eases in time and was hoping that some time outside together might
> speed
> that but it doesn't appear to be doing that.
Nope. Given the severity of the potential consequences this comes down
to management. And since my husband works night and I have three dogs,
I do understand the difficulty of splitting the dogs up so they don't
wind up confronting each other OR waking up other household members.
Training is a logistical nightmare.
Sometimes this involves piling all of them into the van, driving to a
vacant lot, crating two of the three and working the odd man out. Or I
wait until my husband has left for work, go out back and let the other
two bark their heads off in their crates in the house.
They are all insanely jealous of each other.
My daughter and her boyfriend adopted a rescued BC puppy that I've been
babysitting periodically. She has been hinting broadly that perhaps I
might begin clicker training with him.
No frackin' way. Without further major disarrangement of social order
and living arrangements, it ain't gonna happen. I can't even train my
own dogs with him around.
----------------------------
KathleenFrom: Kathleen
Date: Sun, Jun 9 2002
Groups: alt.mountain-bike
I've been debating on when to start Zane's trail training.
He's 10 months old, and still growing, so that rules out any long
rides. That's okay. I'm still recovering from the virus from hell,
or, more specifically, some of its nastier side effects, so I wasn't
planning a long ride anyways.
And Zane mostly comes when he's called. *Mostly*, which really
isn't good enough, not on its own. But Zane follows Scully like he's
attached to her by invisible bungee cords, and Scully ALWAYS
comes when she's called, so I felt fairly safe with taking both of
them.
I loaded up the bike and we headed out to Lost Valley. It was the
middle of the day, in the middle of the week, so I figured there'd be
little or no trail traffic to deal with. Both dogs went high-stepping
around the parking lot, trying to get used to the feel of their boots.
Zane added a new twist by mule-kicking with both hind legs
simultaneously, trying to throw off his shoes. When I laughed at him,
he grabbed my wrist in his jaws, gently enough that the skin was barely
dented, while growling playfully.
So I flipped him onto his back and held him down until he quit thrashing -
the canine equivalent of saying "Uncle". He seems to be suffering from
some sort of short term memory deficit.
We have to review his place on the totem pole on a daily basis, lest he
come to believe that he holds that much coveted alpha postion.
When we headed out, he and Scully ran shoulder to shoulder, hauling
ass on down the trail. In a matter of a few seconds, they were so far
gone I couldn't tell which dog was which. Then I called them. One of
those far off dots wheeled around and came flying back, with the second
figure not far behind... Scully, with Zane following in her wake.
Good deal.
Scully was thrilled to be out on the trail, but Zane was ecstatic,
out of his mind with pure joy. They charged up and down the trail,
crashing through the brush on either side, spinning and dodging each
other, and making me dodge them. Hopefully, that will become less
of a problem as the novelty of the situation wears off.
After a little less than three miles, I decided to turn back. The
dogs seemed to be holding up well, but the trail was overgrown with
grass and brush and I kept finding ticks crawling all over them and me.
Gah!. I'll be glad when the DOC gets out there and brush hogs that
section of double-track.
As we headed back, the dogs spotted a hiker up ahead, and sped off
to investigate. By the time I caught up, a situation had already developed.
The hiker was a lone man, maybe in his late 20's, wearing full camo, a hat
and glasses. In other words, exactly the sort of person to freak Zane out.
And Zane was indeed freaking out. Barking madly, from about 10
feet away. Full on threat display, with his teeth bared, standing all
roach-backed with the hair along his spine standing on end, his head
held low and forward, in a hyena-ish stance. And the hiker kept holding
his hand out, leaning toward him, staring him in the eyes, trying to call
Zane to him.
Idiot. I don't think he realized how close he came to being bitten.
So now it's back to the drawing board with Zane.
He's only allowed outside with a yard rope attached to his collar.
A yard rope is just a piece of heavy clothes line with a snap hook
for attaching to his collar. I don't call him unless I'm in a position to
step on that rope, and when I do, I call him *once*, then reel his butt
in and make him come.
No more of this calling him three or four or five times before he
comes. I've also been taking him out to many different places
and correcting him for challenging strange men.
And he won't be coming to the trail until I'm sure that the lessons have
sunk in.
I wish, though, that the general public was a little more educated
on how to deal with an unfamiliar dog. Zane never has a problem with
the men we encounter at flyball - they're all dog people, and know how
to deal with him appropriately. I spent some time thinking about what
they do differently, and it all boils down to attitude.
1) When you approach or are approached by a person with a dog, address
your greeting to the dog's handler. This emphasises the dog's position as a
social subordinate.
If you were greeting an actor or a politician, you wouldn't say Hi to the
bodyguard or the flunkies and hangers-on first.
2) ASK the dog's handler before attempting to touch the dog.
3) Keep your greeting to the dog brief and matter-of-fact.
Don't fawn or gush.
4) Don't stare. Direct eye contact is a challenge and a threat.
5) If the dog behaves in a threatening way, stop what you're doing.
Quit staring him in the eye, quit trying to reach out and touch him,
and don't keep trying to sweet talk him. An assertive "Stop that!"
is more likely to have the desired effect.
6) When you're getting conflicting body language from the dog (growling
and snarling, while wagging the tail) always pay attention to what the
business end - the part with the teeth - is doing. A wagging tail
doesn't mean a dog won't bite, it simply means he's enjoying himself
(bullying can be great fun).
Kathleen
--------------
THAT'S INSANE, kathleen.
You're a HAZARD to society, both man an beast:
From: "Delusional_Dimensions_Recovery_DDR"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009
Subject: Re: Prednisolone reduction in dog - can you help?
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Animal An Child Abusin Punk Thug Coward Active
Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:_Fwal.6962$1L3....@newsfe20.iad...
> Father Yod & YHW 13 wrote:
>> On 11 Jan, 23:22, chardonnay9 <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Father Yod & YHW 13 wrote:
>>>> I am going to change vet (again) and try one much further away as the
>>>> vets in the town I'm in are terrible.
>>>>This Predisolone is a pile of *hit!
>>> Sorry you and the dog are learning the hard way. You might want
>>> to look around for a holistic vet who would do more than treat symptoms
>>> and go for the underlying cause.
>
>>> A classical homeopath would be best of all.
>>>Just don't quit the drug cold or it could cause even worse problems. Ask
>>>the vet for the fastest detox without doing that.
>> Thanks.I am going to ask the vet that, I'd like the dog off
>> the drug by next weekend.
>> At the moment the dog is trying to lie down - he must be very
>> tired, I just hope he gets a good nights rest tonight. As for
>> homeopathy...I have tried a few things over the years but they never seem
>> to have worked.He doesn't seem to respond to it but does very well with
>> supplements, herbs etc.
>> Thanks for your concern!
> Please disregard any specific advice offered by Chard. She is a crackpot
> with an agenda.
And you're a lyin animal murderin mental case / spammer
who works for a pharmacutical company:
HOWEDY kathleen,
"Kathleen" khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message news:9WR5j.
964$Aw4....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> chm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used www.dogtravelcompany.net
> to book either a flight or a vacation package? My husband and I want to
> go on vacation with our 2 labs and just found this company. They're the
> only company I've ever seen that let's you fly with your dogs in the
> cabin.
A total rip-off. Run away as fast as you can.
---------------------
That so?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own dog
CRIPPLED HISSELF tryin to ESCAPE you pupperty?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who COULDN'T
TRAIN her own horse and had to GET RID OF IT?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
terrior won't murder a rat on accHOWENTA
he's AFRAID of them?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
dog PISSES HISSELF when her darlin husband
comes into the HOWES?
And might you be the SAME kathleen who'd only
show pictures of your dog MURDERIN a innocent
defenseless dumb critter to like minded souls?
AS STATED in your own POSTED CASE HISTORY below?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who
SELLS CRAPOLA
on the web?:
Kathleen Hansen
715 Brickingham Drive
Saint Peters, Missouri 63376
kh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
You know from personal EXXXPERIENCE HOWE
difficult it is to establish a REPUTATION as a
TRUSTWORTHY, legitimate business person when
startin a new business.
Perhaps we should wrap HOWER legs so's we don't
get abrasions on HOWER ankles in the scuffle like
HOWE your own ill trained fear aggressive hyperactive
HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs do?:
"Z-Control Skid Boots were born out of my frustration
with other methods of skid protection. Wrapping with
Vetwrap was tricky and time consuming, and was a
constant source of worry at busy tournaments...
"Only four races in between... Do I dare leave him
wrapped, or will his feet wind up swelling? And if I
DO leave the Vetwrap on him, will he shred it as
soon as I turn my back?"
There had to be a better way.
--------------------
And INDEED, there IS, kathleen!
If you LEARNED HOWE to pupperly wrap
legs and COULD LEARN HOWE to TRAIN
your hyperactive fear aggressive dogs to not
shred them off soon as you stop jerkin an
chokin an turn your back on them, you
WOULDN'T NEED your useless spam leg
protectors.
malinda has told us she sees such booties litterin
the Arctic tundra like discarded condoms.
Hey kathleen, have you ever heard of these terms?:
defamation
noun
1. a false accusation of an offense or a malicious
misrepresentation of someone's words or actions
2. an abusive attack on a person's character
or good name [syn: aspersion]
----------------
li?bel
noun, verb, -beled, -bel?ing or (especially British)
-belled, - bel?ling.
-noun 1. Law. a. defamation by written or printed words,
pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publi****ng it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing
the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or
damagingly misrepresents.
-verb (used with object) 3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
slan?der
-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or re****t:
a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,
pictures, etc.
-verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.
-verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.
---------------------
> I know how exhausting this must be for you.
Yeah. It's a real bother to watch her dog be
sick from a deathly prescription drug <{}: ~ ( >
> Understand that while the physical syptoms are difficult for the dog, any
> emotion discomfort he's feeling is due to cueing off of you and your
> distress.
The dog could be DYIN from TOXICITY.
> So chill. Relax.
The dog is takin several times the dose IT should have.
> Yes, this is hard, yes this is miserable, but it's temporary and it's far
> worse for you than for the dog and there is an end in sight.
DOGS DIE FROM THIS.
> Right now the best med for your dog is you.
That so?
> Potty him then lay him down and spoon, either in his bed or yours. No
> cooing or consoling, just the physical comfort of being there for him.
That's a little NEUROTIC, wouldn't you agree, kathleen?
> When he gets antsy take him out to relive himself, then back to bed. This
> is less trouble than you'd spend on a healthy human infant and a lot less
> hassle than you'd spend on yourself during a bout of the stomach flu or a
> serious hangover.
You mean INSTEAD of stoppin the DRUG overdose?
> Pull yourself together, make arrangements and cope.
You're a MENTAL CASE, remember, kathleen?:
Subject: Re: Letter to Carmine
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Animal An Child Abusin Punk Thug Coward Active
Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:A9AYk.9557$b05....@newsfe06.iad...
> Terri wrote:
>> Dear Carmine,
>> You and I both know I love you dearly and that I feel
>> the sun rises and sets because of you.
<SNIP IDIOCY>
meat terri MURDERED her last two DEAD DOGS <{}: ~ ( >
>> Love, Your devoted food slave and poop picker-upper
Yeah, MURDERIN your dogs *IS* the kindest gift <{}: ~ ) >
> Too funny.
INDEED? Perhaps she should post it to alt.religion.kibology?
> Timely, too.
INDEED?
> I woke up last night with Scully's scratchy cracker paws in my face.
> Memo to Scully: If I'm smelling Saltines, somebody's going to have
> to move and it's not going to be me.
HOWE COME you don't just use your "QUIT IT" command?:
kathleen wrote:
How in the world can you sit there and let her lick and
push at you for *an hour*? You really do need to consult
a trainer, I don't even know where to begin with this.
I have a one-word command that covers all sorts of
obnoxious behavior. "Quit!" It means quit licking me,
quit licking yourself,stop noodging, refrain from leaning,
cut out the begging, knock off harrassing the other dog.
And if the behavior doesn't stop I get up and do whatever
is necessary to stop it. Somebody goes off my lap, outside,
in their crate.
You need somebody to teach you how to teach the dog.
Kathleen
-----------------------------------------
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin slanderin dog an child abusin MENTAL CASE,
You're as full of crap as Master Of Deception blankman was.
Here's enough of your own POSTED CASE HISTORY
to PROVE you ain't got the intellect to HOWEtwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog:
"My JRT is skittish around men, including my
husband, and he was never abused or neglected."
My JRT, Cooper (a two year-old neutered male), has a similar
problem, although only with my husband. Dad has to maintain
a very low-key, neutral, matter-of-fact demeanor around Cooper,
especially when he first gets home.
Any hint of either exuberance or gruffness is liable to
turn on the waterworks. Babytalking in a high squeaky
voice guarantees a mess. Another thing that seems to
boost Cooper's confidence is greeting Dad as a member
of the three dog pack instead of one-on-one.
Kathleen
--------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005
Subject: Re: My Rottie is a bummer
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> I have an a dog who is fear aggressive. He cannot be loose around
> strangers. Trust me, a dog who is generally aggressive is a big
> responsibility and probably not one that you want.
I have a BC who is just weird. It's much easier to list
the things that *don't* freak him out than to list the
things that do.
<SNIP>
Kathleen
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Disgusting ...
Re: Disgusting treat for Muttley
by <DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jan 8, 2008
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Animal An Child Abusin Punk Thug Cowards And
Active Accute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant
MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletethis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:hYsgj.28$gH2.13@[EMAIL PROTECTED] mike wrote:
>> I have seen this type of thing personally, among different types of
>> animals, and humans.. It would be what is called 'common knowledge'.
>> Mike.
> Oh, bull****.
Mike is correct, kathleen <{}: ~ ) >
> I've got three dogs, athletes,
You call your dogs "athletes" on accHOWENTA
they're ESCAPE ARTISTS <{}: ~ ( > IN FACT,
WON of them CRIPPLED herself ESCAPIN.
> purebreds born of planned breedings who've never missed a meal in their
> lives,
Probably not.
> have never had a hand lifted to them in anger
That's a LIE, like EVERY THING you've ever posted here, kathleen.
> and they still wolf their food.
Dogs wolf their food when they're INSECURE.
> Breakfast and supper take approximately one minute to consume.
On accHOWENTA they EXXXPECT the other dogs will ATTACK
them an STEAL it from them. It's all in your own POSTED
CASE HISTORY of LIES ABUSE and INSANITY, below:
HOWEDY Kathleen,
"Kathleen" <kathleen.dick...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:f46dbd96.0309202313.249961de@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Agree in general.
Care to discuss what you don't agree with?
> Behavior problems can be caused by bad parenting,
Not bad parenting, just simple MISHANDLING, as
taught by HOWER expert behaviorists and teachers.
> when it is not an organic disease.
Right. Hyperactive kids and dogs do not have ritilin deficiency.
Drugs can be used effectively to help train the
brain to achieve a calm state, but not if they're
used daily for long term, that DEFEATS the purposse.
The same same same same methods and philosophies
taught by The Puppy Wizard to HIS FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students apply equally
as well, to children.
> My mother was insane, and I am autistic,
> http://www.actionlyme.com/CAROLYN_MARTIN.htm I obviously also have Lyme
> disease, now. Carolyn Martin says no, I don't have Lyme disease, am just
> insane. I'm pretty well-known in the Lyme community because I testified at
> the FDA and ActionLyme broght down that 200 million dollar FRAUD of a Lyme
> vaccine. You can read about it in the "ActionLyme History."
Yes, we had a dog on rpdb die from that crap.
> High Functioning Autism is the opposite of insanity.
Ain't no such thing as INSANITY. That's SUBJECTIVE.
Take a look at rpdb. You'll see INSANTIY as the NORM.
EveryWON there IS INSANE, but they've congregated
together and DEFEND THEIR INSANITY by ALL BEING
"NORMAL."
Ask ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN. He's the chief SCREWBALL,
but he's only ACTING INSANE, to RIP THEM OFF for their
hard earned dough. eddie MAKES HIS LIVING off of DEAD DOGS.
> My father was a design engineer for a jet engine company and my nephew is
> autistic, also, with a very high IQ. So high, the school says they can't
> asses it.
SHOWENDS EXCITING!
> Carolyn Martin says he does not have autism, just Neurofibromatosis.
Neurofibromatosis is a STRESS INDUCED AUTO IMMUNE
DIS-EASE. There's a great deal of that and similar DIS-EASES
amongst HOWER dog lover's NEUROTIC dogs.
> Autism was his *first* diagnosis, and he had a speech therapist when he
> was little.
Good.
> Kathleen Analytical Methods Development Pfizer, Inc (disabled due to Lyme
> disease)
===========
Thank you, Kathleen.
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
spammin slanderin defamin dog child an horse abusin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
mental case,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:ip3gj.
9$l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] diddy wrote:
>> It sounds so whacked out, I'm embarrassed to explain it. But since you
>> asked..
Yeah. That's BHOWEND to cause lots of EMBARRASSMENT.
> I'd start with putting fresh batteries in the smoke and carbon monoxide
> detectors, and not just because of the possibility of a wiring problem.
INDEEDY.
HOWEver, most folks change batteries when they reset
their clocks at daylight savings time twice a year <{}: ~ ) >
> When the battery in the smoke detector in our hallway is getting
> weak it begins emitting periodic chirps; easy for me to miss, at least at
> first, amid the noises of a busy household.
Yeah. Well, that wouldn't happen if you was to change the
batteries on a regular schedule like HOWE NORMAL folks
do it.
> Zane notices it right away, though.
Naaaah?
> The first time I saw him react I thought he was nuts.
It was mutual, no DHOWET <{}: ~ ) >
> He spun around, stared at the ceiling (I thought) and barked.
INDEED? That's curiHOWES. Dogs are only PAINICKED
by strange sounds when they're VICTIMS of ABUSE <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
spammin slanderin defamin dog child an horse abusin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
mental case,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:rGFfj.1117$dP7....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> donnad6...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I have three black labs. We have a kennel for our dogs, but it is
>> uncovered and the two younger labs always climb over the top. We live
>> near a busy highway and are afraid to leave our dogs outside in their
>> kennel at any time.
kathleen can't leave her own dogs together alone
otherWIZE they'll ATTACK EACH OTHER <{}: ~ ( >
>> We have covered the kennel with a tarp, but they still are able to break
>> the ties and get out.
> Put a plywood lid on the existing kennel.
That's a EXXXCELLENT alternative to TRAININ them
not to want to ESCAPE their HOWESES <{}: ~ ) >
> I'd probably add at least a little pitch to it to direct the rainwater
> drainage but that's climate specific.
Does kathleen suppHOWES you live in a
area where there AIN'T NO RAIN?
> Paint it. Match it to your house or do a mural. Or if you've got any
> leftover shingles that'd work, too.
That's very clever of kathleen. Perhaps she'll offer some designs?
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
spammin slanderin defamin dog child an horse abusin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long
incurable mental case,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:38y6j.86$XH3.29@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
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And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
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I'm Jerry Howe, Director Of Trainin an Research <{}: ~ ) >
Here's my website:
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There you will find ALL the FREE information you need to
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follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if you
need any additional FREE HEELP <{}: ~ ) >
> Umm. Excuse me,
You don't have to be so POLITE, kathleen, you're amongst
like minded folks who likeWIZE jerk choke shock bribe crate
intimdiate an surgically ***ually mutilate an MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT <{}: ~ ) >
> I don't mean to complain,
We get used to COMPLAININ here by listening to your
dogs bark whine an cry while you ignore punish and
intimidate them <{}: ~ ) >
> but could you guys maybe ease up on the precipitation just a little? Or
> else drop the temperature a few degrees so at least the mud would freeze?
That's a lot far removed from the realm of DOG TRAININ, ain't it?
> I wouldn't ask for myself, it's just that my dogs really miss flyball
> practice and hiking and the lack of exercise is getting to them.
Oh yeah. as 'z dog wheeesperer' sez, "EXXXORCISE, DISCIPLINE
an THEN AFFECTION" are the keys to psychological dog trainin.
> Zane and Cooper have been being quite rude to each other
Naaaah?
Have you ever heard of alellomimetic behavior?
> and I'm getting tired of intervening in squabbles
Oh? You mean, SIBLING RIVALRY?
HOWE COME your "QUIT IT" COMMAND AIN'T WORKIN?
Well, it's your "intervening in squabbles" that REINFORCES
your dog's fear aggressive hyperactive behaviors <{}: ~ ( >
PERHAPS you should let them FIGHT IT HOWET?
> over things like, "Yeah, I growled at him. He was eyeballing me".
Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE you TAUGHT them by deamonstration?
> So if you guys could see your way clear to answering your humble
> disciple's prayers,
As you're probably aware, PREYIN takes a principle role
in WIZARDRY. For EXXXAMPLE, you can make a potion
to cast a SPELL, HOWEver, you cannot cast a spell
or even make a potion, withHOWET PREYIN.
PREYIN ain't particularly encouraged here. HOWEver,
your like minded pals will likely send you some good
thoughts an wish you LUCK that the WEATHER changes.
BE ADVISED, HOWEver, "LUCK is for SUCKERS. NEVER
make a SUCKER'S BET," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
> I'd be most grateful, and will burn incense in your honor.
You mean, to influence the weather?
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Grand, Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard PREYS EVERY season
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G-D's to relent so you can go back to your CONSTANT
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aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs.
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Grand, Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
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DROP DEAD from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}:* ~ ( >
HOWE abHOWET a blood sacrifice?
> Or at least spray some Holiday Scented Air Freshener.
NOT the same, kathleen. You don't happen to have a
active volcano you could throw a couple virgins or an
old slanderHOWES dog abusin whore into?
> Thanks in advance.
HERE'S HOWE COME your dogs FIGHT:
HOWEDY kathleen,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED
> wrote in message news:9WR5j.
964$Aw4....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> chm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Has anyone used www.dogtravelcompany.net to book either a flight or a
>> vacation package? My husband and I want to go on vacation with our 2
>> labs and just found this company.
>> They're the only company I've ever seen that let's you fly
>> with your dogs in the cabin.
INDEEDY! And you could certainly take advantage
of a nice arrangement like that when you hand deliver
your sister's puppy mill puppy to his new owner:
"In other news, I will be taking advantage of an
extraordinary op****tunity for travel. On January
18th I will be flying to Chicago to meet my sister
and our mom, and from there we will be heading
across the Atlantic to Spain.
My sister is delivering a Norwich terrier puppy of
her own breeding to a buyer living just outside of
Madrid, then we will embark upon a 9 day tour of
the country.
Wish us luck - I'm having a hard time imagining how
we're going to keep a 4 month-old puppy happy and
quiet during the 13 hour flight.
---------------------
That's EZ, kathleen. All you gotta do is learn
a little bit abHOWET doggy behavior <{}: ~ ) >
> A total rip-off.
That so?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own dog
CRIPPLED HISSELF tryin to ESCAPE you pupperty?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who COULDN'T
TRAIN her own horse and had to GET RID OF IT?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
terrior won't murder a rat on accHOWENTA
he's AFRAID of them?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
dog PISSES HISSELF when her darlin husband
comes into the HOWES?
And might you be the SAME kathleen who'd only
show pictures of your dog MURDERIN a innocent
defenseless dumb critter to like minded souls?
AS STATED in your own POSTED CASE HISTORY below?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who
SELLS CRAPOLA
on the web?:
Kathleen Hansen
715 Brickingham Drive
Saint Peters, Missouri 63376
kh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
You know from personal EXXXPERIENCE HOWE
difficult it is to establish a REPUTATION as a
TRUSTWORTHY, legitimate business person when
startin a new business.
> Run away as fast as you can.
Perhaps we should wrap HOWER legs so's we don't
get abrasions on HOWER ankles in the scuffle like
HOWE your own ill trained fear aggressive hyperactive
HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs do?:
"Z-Control Skid Boots were born out of my frustration
with other methods of skid protection. Wrapping with
Vetwrap was tricky and time consuming, and was a
constant source of worry at busy tournaments...
"Only four races in between... Do I dare leave him
wrapped, or will his feet wind up swelling? And if I
DO leave the Vetwrap on him, will he shred it as
soon as I turn my back?"
There had to be a better way.
--------------------
And INDEED, there IS, kathleen!
If you LEARNED HOWE to pupperly wrap
legs and COULD LEARN HOWE to TRAIN
your hyperactive fear aggressive dogs to not
shred them off soon as you stop jerkin an
chokin an turn your back on them, you
WOULDN'T NEED your useless spam leg
protectors.
malinda has told us she sees such booties litterin
the Arctic tundra like discarded condoms.
Hey kathleen, have you ever heard of these terms?:
defamation
noun
1. a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of
someone's words or actions
2. an abusive attack on a person's character
or good name [syn: aspersion]
----------------
li?bel
noun, verb, -beled, -bel?ing or (especially British)
-belled, - bel?ling.
-noun 1. Law. a. defamation by written or printed words,
pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publi****ng it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing
the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or
damagingly misrepresents.
-verb (used with object) 3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
slan?der
-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or re****t:
a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,
pictures, etc.
-verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.
-verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.
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"My JRT is skittish around men, including my
husband, and he was never abused or neglected."
My JRT, Cooper (a two year-old neutered male), has a similar problem,
although only with my husband. Dad has to maintain
a very low-key, neutral, matter-of-fact demeanor around Cooper, especially
when he first gets home.
Any hint of either exuberance or gruffness is liable to
turn on the waterworks. Babytalking in a high squeaky
voice guarantees a mess. Another thing that seems to
boost Cooper's confidence is greeting Dad as a member
of the three dog pack instead of one-on-one.
Kathleen
--------------------------
That's curiHOWES. Submissive urination, like
FEAR of NOISES and ESCAPE behavior is
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
You can CURE submissive urination NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.
LIKE THIS:
From: Eric
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday, November 29, 2002
Subject: just checking in...
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding
submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing
great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I
stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can
teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me
look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em,
and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their
heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T",
I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate
their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any
of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal
to someone who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out
there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A
horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horseman****p". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any
more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun
intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
====================
I had a BC, a horrible escape artist who had learned to
stick his head into the shadow box fencing and use it to
lever to pry off boards so he could go bumming around the neighborhood.
Obviously the canine spine is not made to deal with this.
The docs at the ortho clinic did the dye test on the
spine and called me with the news that it was most
probably cancer - they said they were about 85 percent
sure. Said there was evidence of a mass well above
and below the disks that were supposed to be ruptured.
And that the kindest thing might be to not allow him
to wake up from the anesthesia.
I was flabbergasted. Devastated. How could cancer have
such a sudden onset? And my own vet had been so certain
that it was trauma...
So I said "absolutely not" to immediate euthanasia. Told
them to proceed with the surgery. Open him up and see what's
in there. If it was the disks, patch him up, and if it was
cancer, just debulk the tumor, get as much of it out as
possible to relieve his pain and buy him some time.
It was the disks. They'd ruptured with such violent force
that the squishy stuff inside had spurted all up and down
the spinal canal - that's what they'd been seeing on the
dye test. It still makes me sick to my stomach to think
about what would have happened if I'd been willing to
follow "expert advice" instead of my own instincts.
Connor had staples in his neck holding the incision closed.
12 days post op I took him to have them removed and the
incision just FELL OPEN.
Thank god it happened before we left the office. Healing
was delayed by the oral steroids he'd been given to try to
relieve his pain prior to his consult at the ortho clinic.
They re-stapled him and we returned again in another 14 days.
This time it stayed closed.
As I recall, I kept him crated for that first month,
taking him outside in the yard on a belt that wrapped
around his waist so as not to put any strain on his neck.
He was so relieved not to be hurting anymore that I
had to keep him confined to stop him from doinging
around like a maniac.
-------------------
Dogs are TERRORTORIAL critters by NATURE.
Dogs ONLY run away from their HOWESES when
they're ABUSED by ignorameHOWESES like yourself.
Coincidentally, horses train an handle JUST LIKE DOGS:
*For the regulars, my daughter was finally convinced that
Luna, her mustang, was never going to be a safe, fun horse
to ride. After months and months of dedicated training
she was still making frequent, spirited attempts to murder
anyone sitting on her back.
Albert is keeping her, though, and trying to get his hands
on her brother so he can use them as a matched pair to pull
a buckboard at next year's Chuckwagon Races.
Reno, her new horse, is a sweetheart.
-------------------------
culprit wrote:
> if you snapped a picture of your proud dog with his first kill, would you
> post a picture of it? someone at work posted a great pic of her JRT
> carrying a squirrel (nearly his size!) to the dog group there. she was
> very proud of him. a bunch of other people jumped in saying how horrid it
> was to post pix of dead animals. i don't think it's any different than
> posting a pic of a retriever with his first bird.
> what do you think? how would you react to something like that?
I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I know for
a fact that there a lot of folks who would. Personally,
I'd only share a photo like that with kindred souls.
I have a young JRT named Cooper who refuses to go
to ground at the local EarthDog Fun Days. He's scared of
the rat in the cage.
I suspect his phobia relates to an incident last year. We
had an invasion of mice in the pantry. Lots of ruined food,
and it reeked of rodent.
I had to clean everything out, and purchase gnaw-proof packaging.
I also put baited traps on the pantry floor.
Now, I was in the next room, so I don't know exactly
what happened, but I heard the "snap" of one of the traps
going off, and then Cooper and both of the BCs came flying
around the corner, tuck-tailed, wild eyed and scrambling for
purchase on the Pergo.
I don't know which of them set the trap off, but it
evidently impressed the hell out of all three of them.
And I think Cooper associates the smell of rodents with
nasty snappy things.
I'd like to see him be able to do the things his
breed is famous for, and I've been told that the best way
to "boost his confidence" would be to purchase a rodent
and let him kill it. But I just can't do that.
Even though I eat meat, drink milk, wear leather and
kill wild rodents with traps. Too many of my kids'
friends keep vermin for pets, and I can only imagine
the reaction that my 4th grade son would get on Monday
morning when the kids in his class share the interesting
things they did over the weekend.
Unfortunately, personal philosphy aside, you
have to decide whether the end is worth putting up
with Joan Q. Public's reaction.
Kathleen Hansen
Z-Control Skid Boots
Leg armor for gonzo dogs!
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
--------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005
Subject: Re: curious crate question
Sionnach wrote:
> "Kathleen" wrote:
>> Each of my dogs has his or her own crate. I never expect them to share
>> except for very brief periods.... They tend to be pretty territorial
>> about their "bedrooms", and I don't ever leave them unsupervised when
>> I've got more than one in a crate for fear of a brawl breaking out where
>> nobody can retreat.
> Interesting - that's the exact opposite of the way my guys look at it.
> Mine each have their own, although they're never used at home any more,
> only at trials. Bren and Morag were crated when I first had them, for
> their own safety, but neither has been in a crate in my house for years -
> in Bren's case, for nearly a decade. Rocsi was crated at home maybe twice
> when she was a puppy. We also crated the girls in the bedroom at my S.O.'s
> house for the first couple of months after he got Lacey (also female) in
> March; that's long since been phased out. The main reason we crated my
> girls, incidentally, was that Rocsi kept trying to play with Lacey during
> the night, which didn't make for peaceful sleep. Secondary reason being
> that Morag and Lacey were both a bit possessive of my S.O., which has
> since been sorted out. It was never much of an issue, though, since both
> he and I have clear "pack leader" status with all five dogs. At home
> during the day, they all three sleep together in my bedroom -which is the
> equivalent of being crated together - and I've never had a problem. We've
> also left four of the five dogs alone in Bob's bedroom for several hours
> during the day, and again no problem. At trials and practices, I've never
> seen the slightest amount of territorial behaviour over who gets in which
> crate; I can crate any two of them or even all three together, and the
> only issue that arises is that Brenin will sometimes complain if one of
> the girls is touching him when he's not in a snuggling mood. Morag and
> Rocsi like sharing a crate, and often cuddle together. The only real
> reason I crate them seperately is to avoid snarfing of each other's food,
> and to simplify after-run rewards and swapping dogs between runs.
The only time I use the crates at home is if somebody's
sick and needs to be confined, or if we've got guests with
very young children (it's the kids I don't trust, not the
dogs), or if we've got workmen around the place...
In that case Scully has to be crated because she won't
stay out from underfoot, Cooper, because he forgets
they're there and has to sound the alarm every time he
comes around the corner and notices them again, and
Zane, because he freaks them out by lurking around
and staring balefully with his wolfy yellow eyes.
At tournaments, though, their crates are their castles
and they are masters of their domains. I'm happy that
they have a spot where they feel safe when they need
some alone time and a break from all the excitement.
Kathleen
--------------------
You're FULL OF CRAP, kathleen. Your dogs are
fear aggressive and hyperactive and submissively
piss themselves an run HOWET on you on
accHOWENTA you're a PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN LYIN dog child an horse abusin COWARD:
How in the world can you sit there and let her lick and
push at you for *an hour*? You really do need to consult
a trainer, I don't even know where to begin with this.
I have a one-word command that covers all sorts of
obnoxious behavior. "Quit!" It means quit licking me,
quit licking yourself,stop noodging, refrain from leaning,
cut out the begging, knock off harrassing the other dog.
And if the behavior doesn't stop I get up and do whatever
is necessary to stop it. Somebody goes off my lap, outside,
in their crate.
You need somebody to teach you how to teach the dog.
Kathleen
-----------------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAA~!~!~!
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005
Subject: Re: dogs?
Correct. It would be almost impossible to outrun (or outride)
anything larger than a schnauzer. And some dogs are like cops.
Very strong prey drive... If you flee they'll chase you.
And if they chase you, they'll probably catch you. And
maybe bite you, too, in all the excitement. Don't act
like prey. (And just be glad that dogs don't carry tasers.)
> If you don't need it as a barrier, raise the bike over your head to appear
> even larger. (This is assuming real danger, and not just a few little
> scrappers.)
That only works if you're facing wild dogs in the
Australian outback and you happen to be a little
aboriginal boy. Use your "wrath of mom" voice.
A loud "AHHH AHHH!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! GIT
HOME RIGHT NOW, BAD DOG!" works pretty well, and
you can do that keep the bike between you and the
dog, and get hold of your frame pump all at the
same time.
> If no time for all that, a strong cleated foot to the mouth will usually
> shut the mutt up. (Should be the owner getting it, of course, but don't
> play around with getting bit.) Frame pump also handy.
Last resort. And make damned sure you connect if you kick
or take a swing at the dog, because even a lame-assed, half-
hearted feint of gesture will be read as "game on" by an
aggressive dog.
Aim for the snout.
Kathleen
------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:13:25 -0500
Subject: Re: It's happened again...
White Monkey wrote:
> I expect her attitude toward Walter might also change
> toward thinking of him as human once he says her name...
Probably not quite that soon. The ****ft for my dogs
came when my daughter was about 2 1/2. Old enough to
walk steadily upright, good voice control and rapidly
improving hand/eye coordination. She'd seen me do it
a million times, but the first time she faced down a
pair of charging BCs, raised her right hand palm out
and snapped "SIT!"
I don't know was more surprised, my daughter or the
dogs, whose butts had automatically dropped to the floor.
He has started saying, "DAGA!" when we see
dogs, sometimes, so I think he means "doggie"
but won't swear to it yet.
I think that's probably what he means. That's how both
of my kids started off saying "dog". And then I noticed
that when we were playing word games, or looking at
pictures, when I pronounced "dog" emphatically, there
was a distinct expulsion of breath behind the hard "g"
sound. "DOG(uh)". The kids were mimicking exactly
what they were hearing.
Kathleen
Putting the wastebaskets out of reach is one of the
most elementary dogproofing steps. If your parents
won't shut the doors, would they maybe agree to
setting the wastebasket(s) up on the counter, or the
back of the toilet tank, or on the dresser top?
Yeah, maybe the dog ought to learn to stay out of them,
but I prefer to pick my battles, and just closing the
doors made it a non-issue for my dogs.
If it's any consolation all of mine seemed to outgrow
their trash fetish. I can't remember the last time I
saw anybody running around wearing a wastebasket lid
like a necklace.
Kathleen
I would say it's fine *but* keep an eye on the situation
and make sure the dog understands that sharing space with
the baby is a privilege and not a right.
Our BCs were allowed to lie on the baby's blanket with her,
although I had to draw a line when I caught Molly rolling
the baby over with her nose to make more space.
She tended to treat the baby as a cross between a large,
bald, pink puppy, and an automatic yogurt dispenser. That
dog could hear a wet burp from across the house and would
come on the run to clean her up.
My daughter said "dog" before she said "mama".
Kathleen
----------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005
Subject: Re: Nervous Jack Russel?
William wrote:
<snip>
> A recent tactic we're using is for me to greet him in the garden, but he
> still does his little rain dance when my wife's there with me. He doesn't
> rain on her parade, or on the kid's either, but he always rains on mine.
> I'd hate to think I make him nervous.
Of course you make him nervous. He has a guilty conscience.
He knows you're the alpha in the household, and he's appeasing
you with a submissive display all the while plotting to overthrow
you in a major coupe. ;-)
"Viva la revoluccione!" says Cooper, AKA Wee Man
(and not just for his stature, either)
Kathleen
THAT'S INSANE~!
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On a more basic level, we use clicker training
to teach focus - the dog is rewarded for watching the
handler's face in anticipation of the next command.
I also used clicker training to shape and reinforce
Cooper's flyball box turn and am currently using it
to teach him to stand still and straight for measurement -
he's a height dog and must submit to handling and
manipulation by a stranger.
That's going a little more slowly since it really
runs against the grain for his personality, but
we're making steady progress.
Kathleen
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
THAT'S HOWE COME HE'S FEAR AGGRESSIVE. YOU CON-TROLL
HIS BEHAVIOR AND SO HE CAN'T LEARN SELF CON-TROLL.
LIKE THIS:
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005
Subject: Re: My Rottie is a bummer
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> I have an a dog who is fear aggressive. He cannot be loose around
> strangers. Trust me, a dog who is generally aggressive is a big
> responsibility and probably not one that you want.
I have a BC who is just weird. It's much easier to list
the things that *don't* freak him out than to list the
things that do.
<SNIP>
Kathleen
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UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT:
HOW DIFFICULTIES IN RECOGNIZING
ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE
LEAD TO INFLATED SELF-ASSESMENTS
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile... grossly overestimated their test performance and
ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile,
they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
http://www.apa.org/journals/fe-atures/psp7761121.pdf
- Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity.
- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.
- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable
from incompetence.
==============
From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED
wrote in message news:rQpW8.66560
> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to come to EVERY member
> of the family if you knew HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.
Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
here, to try the method and *judge the results
for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive
and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They
(most of them) wanted to give up and kill her
Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
heard the front door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him.
I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
He's offered help for free.)
M.
From: "Ms. Mick" <m...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
"michael" <c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news
3D2BD729.12A6E...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tell me, Ms Mick, what's Jerry paying you to be a paid shill? I want you
> to be a paid shill for dogtv.com networks from now on. I'll double what
> Howe's giving you, and then add on 50% MOORE as a bonus. Is it a deal?
Ooh.. $0 + 50%, what a dream! :)
To the other posters, just what exactly is
plagiarized in the Wits' End manual? I'll
get whatever book you claim the material to
be from to check it out. You prove it to me.
I don't have the problem training this dog
(using the Wits' End manual).. seems everyone
else is having the problems with their dogs.
People ***** that I'm not giving advice, then
***** again because they disagree when I do.
I don't care. All I know is that my dog is
doing well.
When I said "culled" I meant that what I consider
bad methods are left out. I've already stated that
I think choke/pinch/shock collars, crates, food
bribes, and other punishments are unnecessary.
If a book recommends them,it either goes in the
trash or back to the store. I've given up on dog
training books. I'm not going to devote time reading
books that go against what I'd do to train a dog.
I don't care if the authors are "experts" or not.
Some people here have said, "I thought I'd never
do X either until..." or that there is value in
all tools. Uhm... I'm sorry. A shock collar, for
one example, has no positive value whatsoever. If
you think it does, you wear one for a day and let
somebody "correct" you for whatever they like.
At the end of the day you'd probably want to slap
that person silly. I'm not willing to compromise
my views. I will *never* use those methods.
I've taken back book after book because it claims
to be compassionate or non-force. I open the book
and it's a lie. Last book I glanced at was "Good
Owners, Great Dogs". First page I flipped to was
a picture showing how to teach sit by jerking a
choke collar while pu****ng down the dog's back
end. Lots of pictures showing how to jerk that
leash... *sigh*
Oh, and I once upon a time I thought I was safe
buying that book by Monks. Monks! Sadistic
bastards who *hit* and jerked dogs into submission.
This is not my first dog. I've had dogs in the
past and not used any formal training methods with
them, just my normal belief that all dogs can be good
dogs with positive feedback and without punishment.
It always worked. After my last dog died (about 10
years ago) I didn't get another. I've wanted to
during this time, but I had a divorce, a child,
and other things that took most of my time. For
the past three years I've really missed having a
dog around. So, on my birthday, my husband said,
"Let's go to the shelter." I actually found her
on petfinder.com first.
My current dog needed me to come along or she
would be dead now. I'm not exaggerating, the
vet at the shelter wanted to kill her the day
we brought her home. Why? Because she was a
behavioral nightmare for them.
People wouldn't look twice at her after she
snarled at them and warned them to get away
from her cage. They couldn't look past the
tearing up garbage, fear, abuse, and
housebreaking problems that were listed in
her bio.
We had filled out the paperwork to adopt her
on Saturday, and they stretched the waiting
period out from 24 hours until Tuesday. Why?
Because the vet didn't want to take a chance
on her and wanted to kill her! I think he was
hoping that the long wait would make us give up,
but all it did was encourage us to visit her
every day, take her for walks, and bring her
stuff from "home". Luckily, one of the dog
handlers there was sane and stood by us when
we went there on that Tuesday and demanded that
they let us take her home. She's recovering now
and getting better by the day.
I can't have a dog that pulls on a leash or jumps on
me or anything like that. I'm disabled from a car
accident 15 years ago. I can walk (slowly) and all
that, but lack the balance and strength to survive
a dog dragging me around on a leash or knocking me
over. I'd never be able to catch her if
she decided to run away.
I *need* a well-behaved dog. If my dog wanted
to, she'd have me on my butt in two seconds. I
don't have that problem though.
So excuse me if I come here and get upset when I
read a bunch of posts giving "advice" to "train"
dogs by the "experts" that'll make the dogs just
as messed up as mine was when I first met her.
(She had such fear that everything she did was
going to mean being hit or her paws squeezed or
be locked up that she would get ultra-submissive,
anxious and would pee all over.
She's a big enough dog (Rott/Shep. mix) that if
she would have decided to attack instead, she
could cause major damage. Lucky she was kept
in a cage/tied up, huh?) It tends to upset me
a bit, and all my niceness goes right out the window.
I mistakenly thought that these dog groups would be
a positive experience, but for the most part they've
just made me angry. "Dimpled Chad" has been polite
and helpful, but almost everyone else seems to have
a problem with me speaking my mind.
M.
======================
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
NHOWE get the heel HOWETA here <{): ~ ( >
The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{): ~ ) >
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Steve" <dontwa...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aaf5e4f$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> At our local off leash park there is a regular attendee who has a pair of
> huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
> repeatedly to the point of stalking.
Sounds like he's PLAYIN <{}:~ ) >
> It doesn't matter if it's a male or female or a pup,
INDEEDY~!
He's PLAYIN; opposite sex and puppy aggression are THE MOST
UNNATURAL behaviors for a PACK CRITTER; wouldn't you agree?
> he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't bitten mine yet.
He AIN'T GONNA BITE if you PRAISE him for PLAYIN <{}:~ ) >
> I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed
> it get into fights when dogs stand up to him.
You mean when other FEARFUL MISHANDLED dogs respond by ATTACKING HIM~!
Dogs NEVER FIGHT UNLESS THEY'RE AFRAID; fighting amongst
dogs is the SECOND MOST UNNATURAL BEHAVIOR for a PACK
CRITTER; wouldn't you agree?
> Now this owner doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed but he's
> not that stupid that he can't see the problem but he chooses to blame
> everyone elses dog particularly when its a staffie that sticks up
> for itself.
No, dogs DO NOT "STICK UP FOR THEMSELVES," Steve; ALL
AGGRESSION IS FEAR; ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
All the OTHER dog handler gotta do is PRAISE HIS OWN FEARFUL
DOG and the "PROBLEM DOG" AIN'T GONNA HAVE NO PROBLEM
for HIS dog BEIN AFRAID of PLAYIN <{}:~ ( >
This "aggression" is CAUSED BY the "victim" dog BEIN AFRAID OF HIS
OWNER punishing intimidating and forcing CON-TROLL of situations they
DON'T UNDERSTAND on accHOWENTA people DON'T THINK like DOGS.
> I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
All you gotta do is PRAISE THEM and they'll be FINE <{}:~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...
RTFM is age-old computer lingo....
It stands for "Read The F***ing Manual" ;-)
I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and
teaching him something new takes about 30
minutes (depending on what to teach offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix)
is a bit slower in learning, but he is used to me
calling him a "bad dog"whenever he did something
i didn't want him to do, or it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS
to learn something new: he wants me to bring
along the can filled with washers whenever we
go for a walk.
It is a very "humane" way of teaching: the
dog is allways a "good dog", and never a
"bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to
"ask permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky
for them), maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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SEE?
> because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
> get ugly.
NO strange dog will attack a CONFIDENT dog and his CALM, CAPABLE handler,
Steve. Dogs ATTACK other dogs when they're bein RESTRICTED from PLAYIN
or GREETIN each other due to the OWNER BEIN AFRAID, Steve.
ALL FEAR AGGRESSION IS COWARDICE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog and mine
> and just shoved it away,
You got NO BUSINESS touchin another dog. YOUR OWN DOG is your
ONLY CONcern, Steve. If YOU an your dog DEAMONSTRATE confidence
then your dog is AS SAFE from bein bullied as if you was takin your ten year
old kid for a walk in the park and meetin up with the bullies; bullies are
bullies
on accHOWENTA they're COWARDS -- cowards DO NOT CHALLENGE
when faced with calm confident and capable folks, they ONLY attack VICTIMS
<{}:~ ) >
And CONFIDENT dogs DO NOT ATTACK unless they're PROTECTIN their owner.
> if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot and save him the cost of
> euthanasing the thing.
Then *you'd* be the dog abuser, steve. Beat the creep who can't CON-
TROLL his own dog, don't blame the dog for bein mishandled <{}:~ ( >
> This tactic has worked til now and I've told this guy that he needs to
> work on his dog but like every halfwit he knows everything about
> everything.
Perhaps you should RE-READ MY MANUAL, Steve? The INSTRUCTIONS
DEAL WITH ALL THOSE ISSUES. If *YOU* TRAIN YOUR OWN DOG then
NO other dog will BE ABLE to threaten or intimidate him.
> Local council and the rangers are under resourced
Only a PUSSY would call the heat, Steve; DON'T BE A PUSSY.
> so that route is no good
NEVER WAS, Steve. Callin law enforcement is for SISSYS.
> and proving him and his dog have breached the Companion
> Animals Act is a bit difficult.
I suggest you talk to him an EXXXPLAIN HOWE COME he NEEDS
to PRAISE his dog when IT gets afraid of OTHER DOGS "defending"
themselves. IT'S ALL IN THE MANUAL, Steve <{}:~ ) >
> Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury?
You mean, maybe SUMPTHIN LIKE THIS?:
> From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfit...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, 28 February
> 2003 To: Ama...@DCFWatch.com; paulbou...@clear.net.nz
> Subject: Jerry Howe
> Hi, Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering what you have
> to say of his training methods.
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbou...@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfit...@hotmail.com>; <Ama...@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe
If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must
already have a good idea about what I think.
His methods are the best I have come across. They
aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if
you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If
you go his way then you have to forget all the other
gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
the results.
You can't combine his methods with other training
methods, not until you understand what you are
trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even
then just a snip of what they suggest which works
in parallel with the Wits End concept.
His methods make you as the trainer completely
responsible for your actions, his methods make
you think and work out your own solutions for
any given situation, the default (the recall) is
always there to get things under control again.
His ideas and concepts teach you to work with
the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to
work together which is surely the best way to be.
His methods don't use force or intimidation but
they do totally emphasize the absolute importance
of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
can achieve almost nothing.
If you are wondering how a dog can be trained
without any negativity the answer lies in the recall,
anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a
request you call him / her to you, since the recall
is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a
way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns
to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an
"equal" position.
His methods are very good, his understanding of
dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods.
Paul Bousie
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"Paul B" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:
3edc5...@clear.net.nz...
> "shaper" <nom...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3edb...@quokka.wn.com.au... I have been reading these forums for a
> few weeks now, and am getting really confused!! but is there actually
> anyone who has used the methods in this manual with any success ?
> I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon and really would like to
> know the best and most effective way of training without using food treats
> or violence (i do agree with what the guy says about food treats and
> violence)
> Thanks for any intelligent replies
I have tried his methods and found them extremely
effective. There are several areas in particular I
found useful.
He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each
other all the time. He teaches you to have such good
communication with your dog you don't need leash
corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get
the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with
a snap of your fingers.
When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
good communication and was unable to be tempted
to use the lead to correct them.
Another part of the training I agree with is not using
the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
or react with it in such a way that you become involved
in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
counter surfing etc).
Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
Paul
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LIKE THIS:
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help
my dog who became fear aggressive at 18 months of
age.
I do not know what started the problem but he
became aggressive first with dogs and then began
lunging and snapping at people. Until this time
he loved everyone and could play with any dog.
He was well socialized and I took him with me
everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks
but it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein
diet, trainers who charged $800 to only make him
worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze,
urinated and tried to climb on my head to help
him. they then suggested a shock collar I knew
this approach was not working as he was becoming
more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D.
400 miles away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE"
and read a book on the fearful canine. I tried
another trainer who tried to use a nylon choke
collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH",
"DOG ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER
END OF THE LEASH", ETC looking for help.
We finally went to Purdue University Small
Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he had
fear aggression, punishment would not work,
use the gentle leader and when out walking
and he got stressed have the people stop until
he could get in control using treats, and work
on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training
and using the gentle leader than they did!
Nothing was working--he would not come when I
called him and would run away when I tried to
catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean
dog and women who hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and
Florida who were trainer/specialists in
aggression and the last two were so afraid of
him they could not approach him. No one said I
should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you
are responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got
Sunshine DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had
had on going discussions with trainers from
Triple Crown and Dr. Meister with out any
help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do Right and
messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but
I could not believe him even when I downloaded
the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits
End. I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and
still comes from anywhere with the command-
"comegoodboy".
Next I tried the can when walking him--when he
saw a dog three blocks away he went off-lunging
and snapping-I used the can sound and he looked
at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the
other dog--the looked at me wagging his tail-
-the other person looked at me like why are
shaking that can but just walked on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people
look at me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle
leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he
would look at then and wag his tail and let
then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we
can now enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know
there was no hope for him and he would have
hurt someone Through all this he never growled
at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any
sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog
lovers that dogs can be trained fast, easily
and problems solved with out force, pain, food
or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a
long time ago but he was and is my life. Solving
the problem was EZ but only with the right
approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and
nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost
anything to get your approach out to dog owners as
I know it would save so many lives. I know at times
I was so frustrated I thought of giving up on Sunshine
but of course I never would have but many people
would have. The world just does not know you can
train a dog in just a few sessions and actually solve
problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no
plans--just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so
any time you could meet us would be great. I drive so
I would be happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles
got right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a
little scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of
times people would ask his name and want to pet
him and he just went to them tail wagging and rolled
over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing,
even those on rollerblades! I have always used a
gentle leader in public but he spent most of time
rubbing his face on the grass--today I used his collar
and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I
have a hard time getting him going--at times I think
he could smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able
to walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not
having a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the
street until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-
prozac-but thought he was too dangerous as the drug
would make him less fearful and then he might attack
or become more sure of himself and become dominate
aggressive. Just had to share their great advice with
you but I am sure you have heard it all--even I am
becoming an expert on bad advice.
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SEE?
An HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
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SEE?
SteveB
Two words two times:
Stun Gun
Pepper Spray
Check local regs first, but most people will retreat from the threat of
pepper spray, and if you are in a threatened situation, you would be
justified in drawing it. The other dog's owner would know that you are not
going to put up with his dog's aggressiveness, and hey, if the guy
accidentally gets some of the pepper spray on him, oh well. Some people use
aggressive dogs as an outlet to their own inadequacies, knowing that they
are a wimp, but they do have a bad ass dog. I think this is the case, as
the owner is obviously enjoying watching his dog be aggressive and bullying.
A minor attitude adjustment usually brings them back to reality. Warn them
three times. If the dog comes in close enough or contacts you or your dog,
that can be waived. If the person is close enough to stun gun, then it is
clearly self defense, but let them come in to you. Never ever threaten or
show the stun gun, but use it as a last resort in close quarters combat.
Whoever gets hit first is going to run off dragging the other by the leash.
If your state is a CCF state, you might consider that, but again, check
local regs to make sure they are legal in a dog park.
Steve
Tara Green
Lucky.
I'd venture to say that most don;t have
access to this (though I'm working on it!!!)
Kathleen
T, although it may not be legislatively sanctioned, I would be willing
to bet that a well mannered dog with a reliable recall would be safer
playing off lead at any of hundreds (if not thousands) of publicly owned
wilderness properties than they would be at any given "dog park".
I am much happier to risk the possibility of a ticket for an off-lead
dog than I would be to deal with Steve, his nemesis, the ignorant husky,
or Steve B.
SteveB
Were you and I to meet at a dog park, chances are we would sit on the bench
and watch our dogs interact, and never get to the level of knowledge that
comes in when some idiot takes his idiot dog to the dog park and wants the
rest of the crew to fall in line. Been to lots of dog parks, had no
trouble. In a couple of situations, I just removed myself and dog from
certain situations.
One time, a HUGE Great Dane looking thing named Thor was running around. My
first time around Thor. All the other dogs were playing with him, and the
people said he was a big puppy. He and my dog got to frisking around, and
Thor took a run at my dog. All in fun. About the time Thor got to my dog,
mine jumped up, and was instantly sent into a head for tail spin of about
three times before he hit the ground. Whilst in the air, and with the
sunset behind him, he evacuated both discharges. It was funny, and in slow
motion. He landed unhurt, and Thor was ready for some more frisking. My
dog ran over under my bench and sat there for a while. I didn't get upset.
It was all in fun, although my dog thought he was lunch. No need to get
upset at Thor or his owner. Now, if you were some other slimeball who
brings in a belligerent aggressive dog and then lets him run amok, you and I
would speak. Rather, I would speak, you would listen.
I'm no one to fear or stay away from. Unless you're being an ass.
Steve
Steve
"Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@HotMail.Com>
wrote in message news:4aafa702$0$5666$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> All you gotta do is PRAISE THEM and they'll be FINE <{}:~ ) >
>
I tried that Jerry, for about 3 months 3 or 4 times a week I praised the
dog, called him by name and he kept on pushing and bullying for 2 or 3
minutes until his owner dragged him away. Last week a dog went totally
submissive wetting itself and this Husky attacked it. This has happened
twice to the one dog and to several other dogs including a 12 week old puppy
which had wet itself and laid on its back only to get bitten.
When I refer to a dog sticking up for itself I mean it doesn't back away it
just stands it's ground and the husky is always the first one to bare teeth
and attack. When it bullies other dogs it makes a growling noise.
SteveB
And what did the owners do? Even if they don't have the ***** to do
something, the police can be called as the animal caused injury, and a human
was threatened by a dog with repeated history of this behavior. Either take
care of the dog, the owner, both, or just call the law. In the police
report, be sure to mention the dog was aggressive towards you, that you felt
threatened, and that the dog has a history of this and you can provide
witnesses. Most likely, you can get the owner and dog to have to use
another facility.
Or, you can just lay there and take it.
Steve
Paul E. Schoen
Unfortunately my dog Muttley seems to be prone to that sort of bullying
behavior. On several occasions he has for no apparent reason attacked
adolescent male dogs who may have been too submissive. He has been OK with
more mature dogs and females, but I don't think I could safely trust him
unleashed in a dog park. I probably do not really need to expose him to
that level of socialization.
I have been studying some of the episodes and books by the Dog Whisperer
Cesar Millan and also IMOTD with Victoria Stilwell, and I have participated
in their forums. According to CM, in the animal world, weakness is seen as
a bad sort of energy that more confident and stronger dogs may react to
with aggression. It is important for humans to project a calm assertive
energy that dogs respect and associate with strong leaders, and they will
usually react with calm submissiveness.
It is probably difficult for a human to get a strange dog to behave
according to normal polite canine behavior when he has been allowed to act
with aggression by his own pack leader, who may not be seen as a leader in
the dog's estimation. Someone like Cesar may be able to connect with an
aggressive dog but if the dog has gone into full attack mode it usually
takes fairly extreme aversive methods to snap the dog out of it.
I really doubt that praising a dog while he is attacking will defuse the
situation. But when two dogs meet, it is important to remain calm and not
project any anxiety or fear, as this will be a signal to the dog that there
is a problem. Praising the dogs at this time is an excellent way to
maintain a calm state and let the dogs know that you approve of their
normal dog behavior. Certainly it is much better than excited yelling! If
there are early signs of aggression then a sharp verbal or noise
distraction may help readjust the dog's state of mind. But when a dog is
committed to an attack he becomes functionally deaf and usually physical
intervention is required.
Paul and Muttley
www.MuttleyDog.com
Steve
"SteveB" <old...@depends.com> wrote in message
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>
> And what did the owners do? Even if they don't have the ***** to do
> something, the police can be called as the animal caused injury, and a
> human was threatened by a dog with repeated history of this behavior.
> Either take care of the dog, the owner, both, or just call the law. In
> the police report, be sure to mention the dog was aggressive towards you,
> that you felt threatened, and that the dog has a history of this and you
> can provide witnesses. Most likely, you can get the owner and dog to have
> to use another facility.
>
> Or, you can just lay there and take it.
>
> Steve
The owner is pretty quick these days to come and get his dog away from mine
and since I've been giving the dog a good shove it tends to leave my dog
alone after the first growl. I had a run in of sorts with the owner before
and he's pretty much aware that I'd prefer to knock his teeth out than
debate dog behaviour. The guy himself is a bully, he's the poo nazi and when
he tells people, in particular women, to pick up after their dog he uses the
same assertive tone people use with their dogs. I told him never take that
tone with me or I'll knock him out quick smart.
They know not to piss me off and some have seen (most have heard) what
happens when a dog bites mine. A german shepherd attacked my dog for no
reason, I warned the owner to take it home the first 2 times and the third
time I grabbed the dog and threw it over the fence. The dog was uninjured
and I told the owner not to bring it back until he had trained it not to
attack other dogs. Maybe I'll just have to frighten this guy into not coming
to the park until his dog behaves properly.
Generally I just walk or jog laps and my dog will follow loosely and play
with other dogs on the way around and we keep to ourselves however, I think
it's important for dogs to socialise and understand how to behave with other
dogs. I find the park quite a good way to unwind and relax, most of the dogs
will approach me as they know I'm friendly and will give them a scratch and
a pat. My dog is also very popular with the regulars as she greets the
people she knows with a wag of her whole body and a big labrador smile. She
gets such a kick out of going there I don't have the heart to stop taking
her.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
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>
> "Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >"
> <Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@HotMail.Com>
> wrote in message
> news:4aafa702$0$5666$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>
>> All you gotta do is PRAISE THEM and they'll be FINE <{}:~ ) >
>>
> I tried that Jerry, for about 3 months 3 or 4 times a week I praised the
> dog, called him by name and he kept on pushing and bullying for 2 or 3
> minutes until his owner dragged him away.
Did you variably, alternately NON PHYSICALLY distract
and praise him after PRAISE IN ADVANCE didn't work?
> Last week a dog went totally submissive wetting itself and this Husky
> attacked it. This has happened twice to the one dog and to several other
> dogs including a 12 week old puppy which had wet itself and
> laid on its back only to get bitten.
O.K., TRY distracting and PRAISING after you initially PRAISE IN ADVANCE.
> When I refer to a dog sticking up for itself I mean it doesn't back away
> it just stands it's ground and the husky is always the first one to bare
> teeth and attack. When it bullies other dogs it makes a growling noise.
NO PROBLEMO, Steve. ALL aggression is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING an
THAT'S HOWE COME it can be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY.
I AIN'T NEVER SEEN a dog who couldn't GET OVER IT NEARLY INSTANTLY
if you know HOWE. If you can get the other handler to co-operate you can
teach
him HOWE to install the come command as a CONditional REFLEX and teach
them my 4 Step Heeling Pattern EXXXORCISE and ALL the dogs will be PALS
within thirty minutes -- JUST ASK ME if you need any additional FREE HEELP.
LIKE THIS:
From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior
Date: 2002-03-01
Hello
I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug
(don't laugh!).
They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and they are
friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously
dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;
Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I'm
walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have
only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn't walk them
and now I'm home so I walk them for about an hour and half every
afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in
the lake.
This is my problem :
The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk
past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it,
and treating her with treats when she doesn't, using a choke chain, a
muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks.
She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]
Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the
other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other dog as if
telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the
more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it is quite
disturbing to the people walking past.
And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet
other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant
one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park.
How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods
I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac
k-behaviour thing?
It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old
lady's or little girl's dog.
They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs
around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park
and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for
more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them
home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address,
ali...@wasp.net.au coz this list is tooo crowded.
Thanks,
Nevyn
=======================
Nevyn writes:
Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training
manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the
success and have asked me to work on their dogs!
I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an
angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!!
I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse
their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they
are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)
Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
================
Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.
Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.
Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn
Nevyn says:
How are you?
Jerry says:
sup?
Nevyn says:
Oh nothing
Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!
Jerry says:
fine
Jerry says:
tell me
Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@% about other
dogs
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
Yup
Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?
Nevyn says:
No
Nevyn says:
Praised them
Jerry says:
ahh!
Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better
Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and
pours water on them
Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!
Nevyn says:
muahaha
Jerry says:
ok
Jerry says:
I'll go for that
Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you're
consistent
Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them
Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends
Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath
Nevyn says:
muahahaha
Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind teat?
Nevyn says:
eh
Nevyn says:
nah
Nevyn says:
cant
Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin
Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it
Jerry says:
why not.
Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server
Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?
Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't already know,
huh?
Nevyn says:
hah
Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die
Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much
Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now
Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?
Nevyn says:
pfftt
Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training
Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual
Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!
Jerry says:
hhahahahaha
Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING you're
wanting them to do?
Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.
Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???
Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Nevyn says:
LOL
Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!
Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune
=====================
Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a
tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL
Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!
Nevyn says:
lol
Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.
Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------
Nevyn has since gone on to become a professional dog trainer:
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using
JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
============
SEE??
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,
"SteveB" <old...@depends.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve" <dontwa...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4ab089aa$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>
>> "Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >"
>> <Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@HotMail.Com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:4aafa702$0$5666$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>
>>> All you gotta do is PRAISE THEM and they'll be FINE <{}:~ ) >
>
>> When I refer to a dog sticking up for itself I mean it doesn't back away
>> it just stands it's ground and the husky is always the first one to bare
>> teeth and attack. When it bullies other dogs it makes a growling noise.
>
> And what did the owners do?
They probably shoulda dragged IT back to the scene of the crime an
PUNISH IT JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DONE for your dog pissin in your
HOWES -- an THEN IT ATTACKED YOU in SELF-DEFENSE -- an so
YOU MURDERED IT on accHOWENTA you're a mentally ill lyin animal
murderin COWARD, steveb <{}:~ ) >
> Even if they don't have the ***** to do something,
You mean like MURDERIN his own dog, JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DONE, steveb?
> the police can be called as the animal caused injury,
Only a PUSSY would call the cops, steevie <{}:~ ( >
> and a human was threatened by a dog with repeated history of this
> behavior.
You mean a HUMAN who AIN'T GOT THE INTELLECT to HOWEtwit
the cunnin of the domestic puppy dog, JUST LIKE *you*, steveb?
> Either take care of the dog,
You mean HURT IT, steveb?
> the owner,
You mean INSTEAD of TEACHIN HIM HOWE to pupperly handle
raise an train his dog an kids on accHOWENTA *you* AIN'T GOT
THE INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunnin of the domestic puppy
dog EVEN AFTER The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS
100% CONsistently NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Students from ALL OVER
the WHOWEL WILD WORLD TOLD YOU HOWE THEY DONE IT
Ez, GENTLY, NEARLY INSTANTLY an FOR FREE, to boot <{}:~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park
dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.
It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
----------------------
> both, or just call the law.
I PREFER to call in NATURAL LAW <{}';~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 25 May 2005
Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> Here are just a few things to take into consideration when being advised
> to read the 'manual' written by the 'Puppy Wizard', or follow his
> 'advice':
Since I've been the only one who advised to read The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's manual lately, I'll try to reply
to this.
> - His beliefs/opinions about dogs - - he's said that he doesn't like dogs,
> and it does not appear that he has dogs and is not clear that he ever had
> dogs.
That's a matter of opinion, of course - an opinion that
I do not share and one that you cannot support with proof.
The fact that he doesn't post a link to the pictures of
his dogs doesn't prove that those dogs don't exist, much
less that they never have existed.
> He believes that a dog is a dog is a dog and that there is no difference
> between the temperaments and learning styles of breeds that have been bred
> for generations to do a particular job.
> He claims that all misbehaviors and illnesses are caused by mishandling or
> abuse. These opinions are not supported by the literature.
I don't think that he said that ALL the illnesses are
caused by mishandling or abuse, but that mishandling/
abuse did cause a great number of apparently unrelated
illnesses.
There's a vast literature supporting that - just look
at the variety of stress-induced disorders.
> - His claim that he can train any dog in the world while sitting naked in
> front of his computer, without personally assessing said dog.
And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that this
claim is justified (except the part about "sitting naked", for
which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's word)
in the case of two dogs who are living half the world away
from him - MY two dogs.
For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!
Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.
> This is simply not credible.
Sometimes the truth does seem unbelievable, but it is still the truth.
> Additionally, he appears to spend all of his time posting to various
> newsgroups, some of which have nothing to do with dogs;
And this fact has nothing to do with his ability to train
dogs via the Internet, either.
> he digs up and responds to old posts, responds to his own posts himself,
> posts and cross-posts sometimes hundreds of posts a day and all through
> the night. This suggests that he's not spending much time actually
> training dogs.
Perhaps he can afford it. One thing is certain: his training
method is incredibly easy to apply. In certain respects, the
result is practically instant. Like with aggression, for example.
Or with separation anxiety.
> - His reputation, or lack of same - - though he claims to be a well-known
> dog trainer, no one who lives in the area where he lives has ever heard of
> him.
Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that his method WORKS.
> - His behavior on this newsgroup.
So he isn't "nice" (but, you know, neither the rest of you
are exactly very friendly to those who disagree with you).
Anyway, does it matter so much how he behaves here, if his
method is successful with our dogs?
After all, we don't need to train HIM, we need to train our
DOGS; and Jerry understands exactly what seems to be going
on in the dogs' minds and he has both the experience and the
willingness to teach others how to use this understanding in
order to modify their own dogs' behavior as they desire.
I fail to see how - for someone who comes here for help with
some very urgent and specific problem - Jerry's online behavior
would be more important than the fact that his method could
really aid their dog.
Lucy (and I never said that one should do as Jerry says, I
only advised that they should read_the_manual_ and_decide_
for_ themselves_, while the rest of you seem to think that just
READING the manual can somehow cause damage)
----------------------
AN LIKE THIS:
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
Date: 15 Oct 2004
Hi, Jerry!
Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been quite busy these days.
You wrote:
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's methods have been called
> DANGERHOWES by HOWER DOG LOVERS.
"Dangerous"? Why??? What can be so dangerous in
making the dogs obey because they trust you?
> > Thus, I tried Lee's idea of teaching a dog to sit,
> Yeah, that's a fantastic method, ain't it???
Yes, it is. The more I'm thinking of it, the more I see
the similarity between how the dogs and we humans learn:
so much easier and faster, when learning is "fun".
The look in Clyde's eyes when doing the "sit" - I've
seen it before, in human eyes, too: the eyes of the
students in a heated debate about consciousness, for
example, or the eyes of a 6 years old child, when
listening about the evolution of the stars...
> > and the result was quite interesting.
> INDEEDY.
> > It didn't work with Bonnie, because she doesn't care to chase toys
> > anymore (is she too old, for that, at almost 12?
> You don't need to get her to chase, you only need toget her ears to perk
> up, and then you lock her into that state of mind.
Well, as I said in my reply to Lee, the result of
this experiment was, for me, both unexpected and
fascinating to watch.
> > Or is it because she's stressed by too many changes in our furry family,
> > during this last year?).
> That may accHOWENT for HOWE COME she's not playful, dogs get depressed and
> HOWETA sorts just like people when they're STRESSED, but it certainly
> didn't take away her curiHOWESITY.
Yes, you're so right! Bonnie can be very playful, if
only she's in the right environment. Unfortunately,
most of the time she is at home - we live in a big
apartment, but it's no substitute for the open space
that she likes so much. At the seaside, or on a big
lawn, she's happy, running and playing like a carefree
puppy.
At home, Clyde and the kittens don't always make her
life easy. She is so good, she'd never hurt anyone -
when she's had enough of their antics, she just gets
up and walks away, retreating to a different room.
She has been our only dog for more than 10 years, until
Clyde arrived, a year ago. And now she has to share our
love and attention with Clyde and two kittens, too.
They try to play with her as they're playing with Clyde
(who practically adopted them) - but she simply doesn't
always have patience for them.
> The secret is BREVITY. Then lock the dog on that thought.
I tried to do so, by praising enthusiastically at the
slightest sign of interest from her. But it worked only
once. She loses interest quickly. There was a game we
used to play, before Clyde managed to destroy her favorite
toy.
She always followed this pattern, when she became too
excited: she'd run to that toy, grab it, shake it and
bite it to death. She'd take the toy in her mouth, run
with it, jump on the couch, and shake and bite the toy
some more.
> > Clyde, on the other hand, simply LOVED it.
> Of curse.
He is young, full of life, always ready to play. Clyde
is exactly the dog in your example about how the puppy
thinks while chewing the sofa and while his human is
praising him for his bad behavior.
You truly understand a puppy's soul, Jerry. :-)
> > He got the "sit!" from the very first try, his eyes glued to the toy,
> > waiting patiently until I throw it and he can chase and "kill" it.
> THAT'S what Lee calls "IN DRIVE."
Yes.
> The DOG LOVERS got no idea what Lee's talkin abHOWET. They think the dog
> goin HOWETA CON-TROLL means "drive."
Perhaps they should meet Clyde. :-)
He conveys the feeling of concentrated, enormous energy
packed in muscles and fur, ready to take off at the right
moment, not a millisecond before. It's an awesome sight.
> > No, "patiently", is not the right word:
> RIGHT. She's in a calm alert state. TRIGGERED.
THAT'S the word I was looking for!
> > it's more like a cat's patience when watching a bird, like a tightly
> > wound spring.
> AND THAT'S HOWE COME Lee gets 100% TOTAL NON-PHYSICAL
> CON-TROL using PRAY DRIVE.
Like a teacher with human students hanging mesmerized on his words.
> The EXXXPERTS think that's INSANE on accHOWENT of they think PRAY DRIVE
> means HOWETA CON-TROLL, as elegy was just sayin abHOWET her dog that "GETS
> ALONG TOGETHER" with the kat that nearly scratched her eyes HOWET.
Yet weren't the wild ancestors of the dog at their
wolfish best when in drive, hunting? Wasn't THEN
that their energy was under PERFECT control, in
total coordination with the pack? "Out of control"
would have defeated their purpose, IMO.
> > I suppose that my puppies must have read Jerry's manual, because the
> > sound distraction and praise always work, with both of them. Always.
> There ain't no way it can fail if you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE
> copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com
> Have you seen HOWER DOG LOVERS try to tell new posters the FREE WWW Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual is FOR SALE?
Yes, and it never ceased to amaze me. All it takes for
one to see that it's a baseless accusation, is to go
to your site and download the manual - at no point is
there any request for money.
If everything that we have to buy were "for sale"
just like your manual, I'd be rich by now. :-)
> ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN started THAT and it's kind STUCK when DOG LOVERS
> get EMBARRASSED for HURTIN and INTIMIDATING and MURDERIN dogs and LYING
> abHOWET it.
Because you're telling people things they don't like
to hear. Instead of stopping and trying to think that
MAYBE what they're doing is wrong, even cruel, they
prefer to believe that you're crazy, a bad guy, someone
far worse than they are.
But these are nice people, Jerry. They really love their
dogs. Just like the overwhelming majority of the parents
love their kids. Which doesn't prevent them, at times,
to hurt their children, "for their own good".
And sometimes, as a result of their best efforts,
theirlove is lethal to the kids.
> > Clyde liked to chew holes into blankets
> That SHOWENDS like insecurity or anxiHOWESNESS.
> > (which he also used to hump),
> Humpin is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.
He used to do it mostly when I petted Bonnie. He was
extremely jealous, I wasn't allowed to show love to
anyone but him. But he's improving, all the time.
Now, he lets me hold the kittens, to pet Bonnie etc.
Telling him always that he is a good boy seemed to
relieve his anxiousness quite a lot.
> Did you read the thread on humpin a few weeks ago? ALL HOWER DOG LOVER'S
> DOGS HUMP.
Yes, I remember that, too. My dogs stopped humping,
both of them - praising works wonders, indeed.
> PARTICULARLY professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog Maxie The Magnificent
> FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator.
Poor doggie!
> > and sound distraction followed instantly by lots of praise put an end to
> > both blanket chewing and humping.
> And all other anxiHOWESNESS or OCD behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY. BUT you
> GOTTA follow the method PRECISELY.
> That's always been a BHOWEN of CONtensiHOWEN amongst HOWER dog lovers.
> They don't WANT to FOLLOW THE METHOD PRECISELY on accHOWENT of it LIMITS
> their TOOLS and PREFERENCES.
OK, I can somewhat understand that, when it's about an
already trained dog. But what about a new puppy? Why not
give your method a chance? Just to find out if it really
works in training of more complex skills than those that
are enough for us, ordinary people who have dogs only as
companions?
Isn't anyone around here curious enough to do
this (IMO) harmless experiment?
> > Bonnie barks at anything that walks either outside our apartment's door,
> > or in front of the house. "Good girl, Bonnie, let's see what's going
> > on", followed by me checking the door or the window and telling her that
> > "it's all right, just good people or good dogs passing by" makes the
> > barking stop EVERY time.
> Of curse. NHOWE that she's familiar with the routine you can forgoe
> lookin, if you think you don't NEED to look. Just follow the same method
> but don't get up to look. She'll believe you NHOWE.
Thanks, I'll try it.
> > That is, every time except when guests are coming to us. I haven't
> > figured out yet how to make her accept the fact that it takes some time
> > since the moment she hears the car door closing and until people arrive
> > at our apartment's front door, on the 3rd floor of the building.
> Hmmm. PROBLEMO!
> HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> You might have to ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard for THAT.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's ideas are always welcome. :-)
Everything you say about dogs is in complete agreement
with what I've learned from my own puppies. They do have
different personalities, but their reactions are exactly
as you describe in your manual and in your posts.
Sound distraction and praise works, to some degree,
even with my two completely crazy kittens. :-)
I like the basic idea that your method is built on, and
I do trust your amazing understanding of how dogs' minds
work, an understanding based (IMO) not only on careful
observation, but also on love and empathy.
For years I have been reluctant to have Bonnie trained
by a professional trainer, because somehow I was afraid,
can't even tell exactly of what - I didn't want anything
being forced on her, I didn't want her corrected for not
performing as she was expected to perform... She has never
had a behavior problem, and I could live with the fact
that she lacked the obedience training, because she
instinctively always did the right thing, she was well
adjusted to living with us.
I always thought that my dog was perfect the way she
was, she didn't need any improvements. When people
asked me what breed she was, I used to say that she
was a Canis Lupus Sapiens. :-)
Clyde, on the other hand, did need training, badly.
He was just a 6 weeks old puppy when I found him - very
sweet, very friendly and clever, but also completely wild
and "uncivilized". He still needs to learn a lot, but he's
light years from the little devil he once was, and this is
entirely thanks to your method - and that, in spite of my
many mistakes.
This is a dog who CAN'T be punished, because he is too
sensitive, too intelligent and too strong to take any
kind of abuse - the slightest punishment would drive
him crazy, big way. And I'm sure that, unlike Bonnie
(who is the gentlest living being in the world), he
WOULD bite.
And his bite would be a serious thing, and that would
probably be the end of him. Thanks to your method, his
basic goodness - his friendly disposition towards every
living thing - has prevailed.
When I walk my dogs, his enthusiastic displays of love
often make strangers to stop and pat him; the vet loves
him; the neighbors love him; my kittens follow him
everywhere and they like to sleep huddled next to him;
in spite of the fact that he has never attended puppy classes
and the only socialization with other dogs was probably during
his first 6 weeks of life, all the dogs we meet are very glad
to play with him. Males and females alike, older dogs or puppies.
Needless to say, I suppose, that I'm crazy about this dog, too. :-)
> S-HOWENDS like she's EXXXCITED to have her visitors come up.
Exactly. Especially when my sister-in-law or my nieces
come to visit. Bonnie loves them very much, and she acts
as if she is afraid they might go away if I don't open
the door quickly enough. I tried to open the door the
moment she started to bark, to show her that there was
no one there yet, but it didn't help. I think she is
also afraid that people won't notice her if she doesn't
bark, because Clyde always gets in the way when one wants
to pat Bonnie. She is much smaller than he is, and she is
very frustrated, as a result.
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard would break that by sayin "Where's my pants?" and
> go off searchin for them and ask the dog to heelp find them.
Thanks for the idea, I'll try it next time and let you
know how it worked. :-)
> Or, you could ask her if she'd like to go back to work and return to heel
> and sit while they company comes up, but that could cause her some
> anxiHOWESNESS, especially if she's ever been "CORRECTED" for not sittin.
No, she has never been "corrected", but she doesn't
sit on command, either. She does what she wants to
do, and - since she doesn't do anything bad (except
barking, and that only until the guests pat her and
greet her - "Hey, what about ME? When are you going
to say 'Hello' to ME? I'm so glad to see you, hey,
look here! Over here! Here I am, do you see ME?" -
that's what her barking seems to say), she always
gets her way.
> You could continue with distraction and praise AFTER you tell her to
> expect company.
It's what I'm doing. It usually goes like, "Yes, Bonnie,
good girl, it's them all right. Just that they can't fly,
it takes a few minutes till they arrive. You're a GOOD girl,
Bonnie, what a GOOD girl you are!"
She also barks like that when we prepare to go out.
The longer the preparations, the more excited the
barking. As if she knows that longer preparations
mean a longer trip. :-) I used to scold her, in the
past, and tell her to stop barking - so perhaps now
it would take some time, first she has to get used
that it's OK to bark when someone passes by, that
I take her warning seriously and I do something about
it; perhaps then she'll learn that there's no need to
bark so much in the other circumstances, too, and she
can wait patiently until the visitors arrive at our
door, or we are ready to go out.
> She may do some other inapupriate behavor as an EXXXTINCTION burst till
> she gets over the urge to bark.
> You see, THAT'S what an EXXXTINCTION burst is, not what leah and the
> EXXXPERTS sez, that the BEHAVIOR gets worse before it gets better. THAT'S
> FRUSTRATION, not EXXXTINCTION... IOW, you could anticipate she'll jump on
> the C-HOWECH or somethin as you break the EXXXCITEMENT barkin, maybe even
> relieve herself on the floor.
Thanks for telling me, I didn't know about that.
She can jump on the couch all she wants, she is
allowed to, and she knows it. :-)
About relieving herself, it's good to know that this
could happen, because otherwise it would have alarmed
me - Bonnie isn't the kind of dog who has "accidents",
and I'd have been extremely worried and suspected a
health problem if one suddenly happened.
> If some undesirable behavior DOES happen PRAIS IT, then distract and
> praise any further repetitions of THAT behavior and allHOWE any other
> behavior to replace it till EXXXTINCTION.
I'll do that.
> That's a different story than what's generally called EXXXTINCTION bursts.
> But the DOG LOVERS here won't BELIEVE that, on accHOWENT of all they KNOW
> is FRUSTRATION behaviors.
I see.
> > A word about aggression: when we moved into this apartment, one of the
> > neighbors had a little female dog that took an instant dislike of
> > Bonnie, and Bonnie of her.
> Ooops!
> That usually takes a couple minutes to CURE.
Indeed, that's how it was. I couldn't believe my eyes.
> > They barked at each other like mad, baring their teeth in a most
> > menacing way.
> Good. ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT PREDICTABLE and REPEATABLE is EZ to
> EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY. Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, he'll
> tell you The Amazing Puppy Wizard is ALWAYS right. Won't you, professor?
> > It was quite unpleasant,
> And dangerHOWES. SCARY, to boot.
I had never let the two dogs come close to each other, while they
acted aggressively to each other. But it wasn't good to see them
acting like that, anyway.
> > because they bumped into each other quite often, when I was taking
> > Bonnie out for her walks.
> That'll reinforce the fear aggression. THAT'S HOWE COME we don't AVOID
> behavior problems that SCARE us.
Yes, it makes sense. Indeed, each time they met,
the mutual hate seemed to escalate.
> > Until one day when I tried praising both dogs, petting the other dog and
> > Bonnie, telling each of them what a good girl she was, and what a good
> > girl the other dog was, too.
> "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you
> will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
> and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys."
> Chief Dan George
I can't tell you how much I've learned from my dogs -
they have been two great Teachers, for me.
I'm still learning.
> "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars
> here who are either ill- tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain
> ill.)," --Marshall
I never use a killfile. :-)
I can reply in a nasty way, sometimes, to a post I particularly
dislike; but, in general, I'm interested in opinions different from
mine, even from people who aren't very nice to me. Besides, I find it
fascinating to watch the human animal in all its manifestations. :-)
> > This peace making effort worked, and the two girls changed their
> > behavior completely, almost instantly -
> JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
> WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
Yes. I had the confirmation in advance that the method worked,
because I had applied it myself in this particular instance,
instinctively and without even being aware of it.
> > proving that peace in the Middle East is possible,
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard plans to run for President Of These United States
> in 20 years.
Great idea, but why wait so long? Couldn't you try
to run sooner, please?
> > though not among humans.
> Leave THAT, to The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >
The Amazing Puppy Wizard seems to be our only hope. :-)
> > Now, if I think of it, it's this kind of experience that perhaps made me
> > find Jerry's gentle method of training not only the most palatable, but
> > also one that is entirely logical and rational.
> As REPORTED by a lotta EXXXCELLENT FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World. HOWER DOG LOVERS CALL THEM
> LIARS and their posts FORGERIES. You'll SEE.
Yes, I've noticed that.
> > And I think that it's extremely generous of him to make his manual
> > available to all of us,
> The PLEASURE is all HIS.
> Marilyn offered HOWER dog lovers a FREE copy of her book and they MOCKED
> her for her generHOWES offer.
> > for free,
> INEEDY. NoWON even said "THANKS, but we got too much readin anyHOWE,
> Marilyn."
Often people don't seem to appreciate a gift; they are
suspicious that it's either a gimmick to make them pay
more than they'd like to, in the end, or - if the offer
is genuine - they assume it must be worthless.
A friend of mine says that we humans are insane as a
species, and sometimes I tend to believe he is quite
right.
> > and also to spend his time teaching us how to train our dogs, for the
> > benefit of both our dogs and of ourselves, the humans who love them.
> Thank YOU. The Amazing Puppy Wizard COULDN'T DO IT withHOWET YOU.
It's very gracious of you to say that, Jerry.
I've recommended your training method to everyone I know.
Some people are reluctant to believe that it's possible
to teach without punishing, though. All I ask them, is to
just TRY it and see for themselves.
I wish you all the best, Jerry, and my two dogs (and the
kittens) - whose lives have become calmer and much better,
thanks to you - join me in sending our love and gratitude.
Lucy
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SEE?
> In the police report, be sure to mention the dog was aggressive towards
> you,
Ahhhh, you're a EXXXQUISITE, IMPECCABLE PUSSY, steevie, AIN'T YOU <{}':~) >
> that you felt threatened,
Kinda JUST LIKE HOWE YOU felt when *you* was ABUSIN your own DEAD
DOG whom *you* MURDERED just a couple weeks ago, remember, steevie?
LIKE THIS:
Re: What to do with a biter
Tuesday, August 04, 2009
"SteveB" <old...@deepends.com> wrote in message
news:0eakk6-...@news.infowest.com...
"SteveB" <old...@deepends.com> wrote in message
> news:e86jk6-...@news.infowest.com...
> New to the group, but I have a large problem. I have a 7 year old
> Pembroke Corgi. He has bitten several people, some seriously. He bit me
> yesterday when I went to put the leash on him to take him to a spot where
> he has been spraying in the laundry room.
>
> I have had this dog since he was a fuzz ball. But yesterday I was ready
> to dispatch him. I take medication for an artificial heart valve, and I
> bleed profusely and bruise easily. He chomped one of my fingers really
> good, and it's swollen and bruised, and will probably be about three weeks
> to heal. He sent one fellow to the emergency room.
>
> Do I surrender him to a rescue center? Euthanize? I'm at the end of the
> road with this dog.
>
> Steve
You fucking assholes are a real hoot. You have to have the last word.
You have to get the last dig. You have really nothing to do in your
otherwise perfect lives than to sit and judge others and give advice. How
nice.
I'd like nothing more than to turn my "Buddy" (his name) into a trusted
pet. But he has painfully bitten me at least six times, and has bitten
several others, including my wife, my daughter, and a police officer who
had to go to the ER.
Well, Pollyannas, I'm at the end of the Yellow Brick Road.
And so is the dog.
You guys carry on with your condescension and snobbery and know that you
have put me in my place. And Buddy into the ground. Just as soon as I
finish this post.
Now, I'm off to do what needs to be done.
Adieu, motherfuckers.
Steve
---------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
SEE?
I TOLD YOU SO <{}: ~ ) >
> and that the dog has a history of this and you can provide witnesses.
"Seem" COWARDS would PREFER NO WITNESSES, wouldn't you agree, steevie?
> Most likely, you can get the owner and dog to have to use another
> facility.
INDEED? And that'd HEELP WHOM?
> Or, you can just lay there and take it.
Ahhhh, kinda JUST LIKE HOWE YOU LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN
MENTAL CASES DO WHEN I CITE YOUR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORIES, eh, steevie??
LIKE THIS:
From: "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008
Subject: Re: How to deal with a jumping dog
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote in message
news:48c62c2c$0$31906$ecde...@news.coretel.net...
> "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
> news:02hbp5-...@news.infowest.com...
>> I've broken many a dog from jumping up on me. The owner
>> asks me, "How come he doesn't jump on you and he jumps on
>> everyone else?" I dont' tell him that when the dog jumped, I did the
>> appropriate thing and taught the dog myself, several with just one jump.
>> I just say, "I guess he doesn't like me." Funny, at the time, I'm
>> usually bent over petting the tail wagging dog.
That tail waggin is FEAR, steevie <{}: ~ ( >
> I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think you are saying that
> you can break the dog of this behavior by just ignoring it, and rewarding
> a less physical sort of greeting.
> I read parts of your blog at http://cateaters.blogspot.com:80/, and some
> of what you have to say is interesting. I've had quite an adventure with
> my dog Muttley, rescuing him from euthanasia on three occasions, and
> learning a lot about the strong bond that can form between man and
> "beast".
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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SEE? SEE?? SEE???
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Don't let the PW (JH) get you riled up. He will not acknowledge
> any other method of training other than his own "methods", and they did
> not seem to work as expected on my dog, so now he accuses
> me of yanking and choking my dog on a prong collar to force him into
> obedience, while in reality he just likes to pull when he wants to move
> faster than I do.
>
> Good luck with the storms down there in FL. Do you have any photos
> of your Dal/Lab mix?
> Paul and Muttley
I break a dog by timing a knee to the chest or a shin to the
chest at the moment he jumps up on me. Usually, it just startles
the dog, and causes him to bounce back a bit. At the same time,
I say a sharp "NO". I will admit that at times, I have thrown a
dog right over on a 3/4 flip with them landing on their backs.
These are the dogs that it usually only takes once to break. I
immediately bend at the knees and squat down and praise and pet
the dog, teaching them that I will bend down to pet them, and
they don't have to jump up to get petted. After that, when I
see them, I greet them that way, and they will stay down until
you pet them. Most dogs go away after that, the doggie equivalent
of scratch and sniff greeting.
Sorry I was ambiguous about it, but I know some do not agree
with this technique. To those people, all I can say is that
Skippy ain't about to paw my $100 slacks, thank you very much.
I have a pound rescue Rott/Lab that is the biggest pussycat in
the world. She must have been a guard dog or guide dog in another
life because she is totally trained, and won't even eat unless
given permission. I believe she could and would do some damage
if danger actually occurred.
We've lessened her rigidity, but she still sticks to her training
at times. She has never once jumped up on me. Now, if I could
only break her of the doggy handshake .......... (nose to crotch
and then the swift lifting of the nose). My corgi is as hardheaded
as any corgi, but he doesn't jump up either.
Steve
---------------
> He bit me yesterday
Naaaah? HOWE COME do you suppHOWES IT woulda done THAT??
> when I went to put the leash on him to take him to a spot where he has
> been spraying in the laundry room.
Ahhhh, you was TRAININ him <{}': ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression
can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard
spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by
the mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much punishing.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
---------------------
SEE?
HOWEsbreakin is a critter's #1 & #2 most NORMAL, NATURAL, INNATE,
INSTINCTIVE, REFLEXIVE and URGENT terrortorial imperative, steevie;
dogs HOWEsbreak INSTINCTIVELY at three weeks of age IF you don't lock
them in boxes and ignore their cries an jerk choke an shock an spray
aversives
in their eyes <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
-----------------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
"Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that."
"Actually, the most common use of this technique
(and it is quite common) is with TABASCO sauce
either mixed with water in a spray bottle or on a rag
that you can stick in the dogs mouth instead of spraying
(after our experience I would suggest this method if I
was going to use this technique again). My dog likes
tabasco so that didnt' work for us.
Binaca was suggested as an alternative from a very
well respected dog trainer from the lower 48, however
I don't think she counted on his flailing his head in a
desperate attempt to get away from the sprayer causing
me to miss."
------------------
LIKE THIS:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
janet CONtinues:
> > My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
> > I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
> > should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
> > your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
-----------------------
SEE?
> I have had this dog since he was a fuzz ball.
ALL aggression is FEAR; ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING;
you've beaten, jerked choked an shocked an locked IT in a box till *you*
thought IT wouldn't act like a DOG nodoGdamened more anyHOWE <{}: ~ ( >
BUT IT STILL DOES, eh, steevie??
> But yesterday I was ready to dispatch him.
Naaaah? HOWE COME, steevie? IT DON'T JUMP ON YOUR NICE PANTS
nodoGdameneD more on accHOWENTA *you* TRAINED IT not to <{}: ~ ) >
HOWE COME you CAN'T TRAIN IT NOT TO BE AFRAID and
ATTACK YOU for ABUSIN IT someMOORE, eh, steevie??
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it
manifests itself in the conditional reflex,
consists of a continual change of these three
fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition
and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward /
punishment procedure developing imitative speech
in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic
boys. After twenty-six days the boys are reported
to have been learning new words with alacrity.
HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a
delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical
emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of
the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to
five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily
with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
APUPRIATE, EFFECTIVE, NON-PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC
methods of raisin handlin trainin an care AIN'T matters of OPINION
or PREFERENCES; they're matters of SCIENCE and FACTS:
Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
SEE?
HERE'S HOWE COME:
B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:
If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.
People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.
The need for punishment seems to have the support
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.
Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.
SEE?
AND HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
SEE?
AND HERE'S HOWE COME:
Is Jerry a nut?
---------------------
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
AND HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "GEORGE VONHILSHEIMER"
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen
of a dog behaviorist, Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl.
Howe's primary teaching is that dogs deserve
unconditional love, respect, and attention and
that by providing these emotional needs dogs
will regulate their own behavior.
Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders,
but he is aggressively hostile to punishers - he
refers antagonists to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover
Jones, and J.B. Watson and especially to Samuel
A. Corson when they mistakenly annunciate behavioral
principles to support their use of punishment.
Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!
Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and
has been broadly tested in a wide range of different
situations.
The present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist
who was asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.
Howe provided the author with a device, without
charge, and said device worked as reported.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
drv...@earthlink.net
Then cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.
Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
is that they cannot read. Negative reinforcement is no
response by the trainer.
There is positive reinforcement, an action which
is followed by an increase in the targetted behavior
(usually called "reward" which is precisely and
technically a misnomer), negative reinforcement
is the absence of any response.
Negative means 'No'.
Skinner's last book, "CUMULATIVE RECORD"
reviews this thoroughly.
http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html
Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive reinforcement
according to this author. Readit, they have a sense of humor!
There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:
do nothing (negative reinforcement)
reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)
punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement)
after habituating the subject to punishment,
stop punishing (relief of aversion, which is
negative reinforcement).
Logically, failing to reward after habituating
a reward is also negative reinforcement.
Actually intermittent rewards work better than
consistent, invariable rewards, so there is
actually another two categories.
Invariable reinforcement and random
reinforcement (on varying schedules).
Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.
Actions which cause the animal being trained
to avoid, avert, cringe away from.
Pavlovians always responded to American
psychologist's inability to reproduce Pavlov's
results with dogs with the comment, "American's
don't LOVE their dogs".
If you ever observed a Russian psychologist
working with a dog, you'd instantly see the
difference.
American psychologists were wooden,
robot-like, wanted to be "scientific".
This meant to them that they should display no
affection, or any other emotion with the subjects.
When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail
to respond, doggie was taken out of the equipment,
and taken home for a loving vacation, with much TLC.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's last student, demonstrated
the same relationships at Ohio State.
Interestingly the first page of results for Sam
Corson, dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry
Howe quoting Dr. Von. heh heh heh
Dr. Von
Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow
say that Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination.
I don't normally mention this, but I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and
in the big books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in
the World, WW in Medicine etc, and WW in
Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real"
WW, and you can't get yourself into them.
GvH
SEE?
AND HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
--------------
SEE?
Here's paul e. schoen givin a puppy snuggle:
paulie wrote:
Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
when you use verbal violence against other dog
owners, thus triggering their own opposition
reflexes. I will try other non-violent methods
that communicate what is expected of the dog.
And I don't believe that proper use of a prong
collar or choker chain are evil and physically
hurtful.
[snip verbal abuse]
So you think it is effective to withold praise,
but offer it as a bribe to get people to follow
your methods? Or promise you will stop beating
them if they obey your commands? Yet never do
it for a dog?
Paul and Muttley (almost fully recovered
from Arbitrary Praise Neurosis)
"so now he accuses me of yanking and choking my
dog on a prong collar to force him into obedience,"
(See, I give praise!) (but not for bad behaviors...)
----------------
You and your MENTAL CASE PALS PREFER to HURT
and INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless dumb critters to
compensate for your fragile defective egos, weak fearful
minds and colossal inferiority complexes.
SEE??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SEE??
> I take medication for an artificial heart valve, and I bleed profusely and
> bruise easily.
Yeah, we're all very sympathetic <{}'; ~ ) >
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> dogsnuts wrote:
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his
> posts and watching him extract his soggy foot
> out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've
> only seen 2 naive childs come forward and
> actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive
childs since I freely admit to having read and, I
hope, understood enough of the manual and it's
counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of
Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant
barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of
supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had been
posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to
hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our
arms while he was given the needle and having to
hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a
dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that
people that hide behind fake names are more
honest than people that use their real names.
Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have
studied and lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really
stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and
Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because
you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea,
and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward
> and actually admit to buying and having success
> with his little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day
and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use
and testing. You would never believe the results, so
you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
> coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
> is sure to be coming to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and
Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get
what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says,
"poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I
get to listen to the box first?)
===============
SEE??
> He chomped one of my fingers really good, and it's swollen and bruised,
> and will probably be about three weeks to heal. He sent one fellow to the
> emergency room.
Yeah? THAT'S NORMAL here abHOWETS, steevie:
From: Diane (dberg...@wwdc.com)
Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13
I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.
This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.
Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.
Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.
Has anyone had this problem?
I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)
She also bites when she needs to go outside.
Any suggestions?
-----------------------------�------
SEE?
PERHAPS your dog is TRYIN to say HOWE much IT LOVES YOU, eh, steevie??
> Do I surrender him to a rescue center?
So called "RESCUES" MURDER dogs who've ATTACKED
their lyin animal ABUSIN MENTAL CASE OWNERS <{}: ~ ( >
> Euthanize?
PERHAPS you should TRAIN IT, eh, steevie?:
> "Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:h1ts27$9hq$1...@panix2.panix.com...
>> In article <Fri9C347D013103Eau...@rocky-dog.com>,
>> Rocky <3d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote:In article
>> <Fri9C347D013103Eau...@rocky-dog.com>,
> Rocky <3d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote:
>
> I doubt that this aspect of prey drive can be reliably trained out
If the dog is really meek you might be able to convince it
ihat it's going to DIE if it messes with the cat. But even
then it's probably not going to be trustworthy and you'd
need to supervise interactions, anyway.
------------------
Well, looks like YOU DONE ALL THAT already, eh, steevie?
"Seem" like it's "GAME TIME" for your soon to be DEAD DOGGIE, eh, steevie??
> I'm at the end of the road with this dog.
WELCOME to r.p.d.b., steevie <{}'; ~ ) >
Say HOWEDY an THANKS to all your dog lover PALS
for all their EXXXCELLENT TRAININ ADVICE <{}'; ~ ) >
> Steve
From: Rocky <2dogsREM...@rocky-dog.com.invalid>
Date: 24 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Cam said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Everything he preaches is very positive, no
> correction, no punishment, all praise and love.
You are very wrong.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <2d...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 23 Nov 2003
Subject: Re: house training
steve braun said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I dont like the insinuations that i am abusing
> my dog when i am NOT.
Then you may want to ignore the Puppy Wizard/Jerry Howe.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <3da...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 16 Aug 2002
Subject: Re: training a dog...
nancyj wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> The pressure meant a GOOD possibility if she could
> just push up hard enough, I'd understand. I did
> eventually <G>. I switched to a light tap!
Yup, once a dog learns to sit, a light tap
works as a reminder when they "forget".
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
-------------------
But "NEVER HIT your dog", eh, matty?
From: "Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003
Subject: Re: puppy wizzards training manual.
G'DAY STEVE.
I used to be like you.
Then I found a book...it was called... the
wits end dog training manual.... and then
there was light..and perfectly trained dogs.
--
Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@badmama.com.au
"Yu agonna get whats comin' to you...for
all the bad bad things you to do your...dog"
________________________
"steve braun" <twopointerp...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2d60c10a.03112...@posting.google.com...
> twopointerp...@aol.com (steve braun) wrote in message
<news:2d60c10a.0311...@posting.google.com>...
> > Hello, Mr. puppy wizzard, how do i find a copy of
> > your manual. Do you have a link that takes me to it?
> > I think i would like to read it.
> > Now i have another question for you in regards to
> > walking your dog. How do you feel about the gentle
> > leader? I bought one for each of my pups and the
> > difference in walking them is unbelievable. If you are
> > not sure what the gentle leader is check out their web
> > site at www.premier.com. If you are as good as you say
> > you are i want to read your manual.
> > thanks,
> > Steve
> > P.s. by the way my pup doesnt pee as soon as i put
> > him in his crate its after he's been in for a while
> > and cant hold it anymore that he pee's
>
> Howdy, jerry,
> well i started reading your manual, Im going to
> perfectly honest with you I thought last night when
> i started reading your posts you were full of crap
> but the more i read the more i could tell that you
> really do care about dogs. That is why asked for
> a copy of your manual.
> I really like your analogy on barking that was very
> interesting and gave it a perspective i never even thought
> of. As far as your praising the dogs when they are
> misbehaving i still dont understand how that works (i
> didnt get all that far in the manual yet.
> But i must say my female was clawing at the couch so i
> praised her like you say to do, i praised her twice for
> it and she stopped and came over to me.
> So i think what you have to say has merit, And for one
> am anxious to finish the book and get started because
> i love my dogs and really am looking forward to interacting
> with them on a positive note all of the time.
> This may be a little premature jerry, but
> Thank you
> Steve
Rocky wrote:
> Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
> > mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
> You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and REPORTED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
> Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
>leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92C1EC10BFE7au...@130.133.1.4...
Rosa Palm�n wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally important that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@lppi.ucsf.edu
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 10 Jun 2003
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days -
maybe an hour at the most. (Other than hot days,
my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.net>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
> that you are suggesting that the people knee the
> dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
> say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
> criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has
> got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
> of dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
"dallygirl" <kwickw...@hotmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
>cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
=============
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
>
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
----------------
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
-----------------------
THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it, paulie?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8....@news.individual.net...
It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
-------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SteveB
Good for you. In a lot of cases, bullies of any species continue if not
challenged.
Steve
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin multi-dimensionally mentally,
socially, morally, ethically challenged insufficent, stiffled, stilted,
stunted, abused, drunken drug crazed active acute chronic life-
long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE an
professional pathological LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN / dog trainin
FRAUD, SCAM ARTIST and OBFUSCATIONIST,
"Tara Green" <jellybea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ha2qqF...@mid.individual.net...
> Kathleen wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> "Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:t6Krm.65852$Y83....@newsfe21.iad...
>
>>>> Stay away from public dog parks?
>>>>
>>>> IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.
INDEEDY~!
As DEAMONSTRATED in kathleen's OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY.
>>> Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.
>
>> It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need to
>> "socialize" my dogs
"Socialization" is DONE by the time a puppy leaves the litterbox.
>> (or myself).
You're a VICTIM of CHILD ABUSE <{}:~ ( >
>> I've got a big back yard, access to hundreds of acres of trails,
>> creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs to interact with one another
>> and no burning desire to chat with semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Seem" the DEBIL is in the DETAILS included in kathleen's
an *your OWN* POSTED CASE HISTORIES <{}';~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: "Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory"
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009
Subject: HOWEDY Lee~! "It's BAAAACK~!"
Personal And CONfidential To taragreen2 <{}'; ~ ) >
Hey, Jerry,
Thanks for the e-mail.
If Tara is the person I think she is, she's magnifying
an event in her mind that happened over a year ago
where a dog she was with sniped at a Westie I had with me.
The Westie then lunged at her dog and Tara (if it
was her) did something pretty stupid, meaning it's
something no knowledgeable trainer would do in a
situation like that: she picked up the dog she was
with and held it in her arms, which caused the Westie
to leap in the air, still trying to bite the poor thing.
She's right, though, in that my reaction time was
slower than normal that day. I was listening to
music on my MP3 player; I learned my lesson
and don't do that at the dog runs anymore.
But again, she's magnified the thing to somewhat
outrageous proportions. I am not persona non grata
at any dog run in the city. In fact, just the opposite.
It's true that there are some dog owners at the
smaller dog run in Riverside Park who don't like
their dogs to play in an energetic, rough-and-
tumble manner.
And I have in the past tried to educate them to the
facts about how dogs play, but after a while I gave up.
Meanwhile my perception of Tara is that she brings
a lot of negative energy with her when she comes to
the dog run.
She's never relaxed and is constantly "on" the dogs
I've seen her with. My perception of the event in
question is that whatever conflict the two dogs had
with one another, it was probably magnified by that
negative energy she brought with her.
At any rate, her dog was "at fault" for starting the fight.
The Westie was "at fault" for not stopping.
And I was clearly at fault for my slow reaction time.
I even apologized to Tara a few days later but apparently
that didn't seem to make any impression on her. I also had
a couple of sessions with the Westie's owner to solve the
problem, and she's a much different dog now.
Meanwhile, my impression of Tara is quite different
from the one I had when we first met years ago. She
seemed intelligent and engaged then.
Now she walks around with a treat bag tied to her
belt and is constantly shoveling treats at her dogs
(in lieu of actually training them), and seems to be
in a kind of disconnected daze, like she's always
in another world.
But who am I to say? I can get like that myself sometimes...
And her impression that I'm unable to control my dogs is laughable.
I think she sees control in an entirely different way
than I do, which might explain why she's always got
her hand on the bait bag and is constantly riding her
dogs.
I'm always stopping fights from escalating at several
dog runs in the city, and almost always between dogs
I don't even know. And I do it without getting up and
leaving the bench by simply either praising the dogs,
or saying "Easy, easy!" or by saying another seeming
non-sequitur: "Okay!"
Tara may not see that as being in control because I'm
not jumping to my feet, racing over frantically to physically
intimidate the dogs, or distracting them with treats, but I
probably have more control over dogs I don't even know -
- just using a pleasant, happy voice -- then she has over
the dogs she's "trained."
It's sad, too, because while the dog she was with
that day seems very anxious and edgy,? she could
probably a very relaxed, very good doggie if Tara
only understood some of the principles of Natural
Dog Training found on my blog and my website.
By the way, Canis is still training dogs and is
still the 2nd Best Dog Trainer in New York.
Best wishes,
LCK
----------------------------
> Lucky.
INDEED? You think dog trainin is a matter of "LUCK"?
EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AIN'T a matter of LUCK
they're CONsistently EFFECTIVE, remember, taragreen?
A Salute To tara green:
"Sneaky Anger", "The Cold Shoulder", "Shaming And Beratement").
Still Crazy, After All These Years
<{} '; ~ ) >
Tara Green is a dog trainer of sorts in New York City left
rpd* claiming that she could not afford internet access and/or
a computer, but her story is of value nonetheless was on
antidepressants for a few years prior to her marriage.
During her marriage, she learned a lot: "With the
therapist I saw during my marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as chemical simply
because of our too human ability to prolong the impact of
the causal situations indefinitely"
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also had problems with other
substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:
"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they are separate
issues.....so which camp does that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people don't have a problem with
drugs even though they are alcoholics. I'm not one of those
people, but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
---------------------
> I'd venture to say that most don;t have access to this (though I'm working
> on it!!!)
INDEED?
From The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
AND
SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKXXX
<{}; ~ ) >
Subject: A Completely New Model Of Learning
From: The Puppy Faerie
Date: Thurs, Nov 24 2005
LeeCharlesKelley Wrote:
From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates
a completely new model of learning, which is based (in
simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the result
of finding a way to relieve emotional tension.
This is true not just for dogs but all animals.
You don't believe in the validity of this
particular model of learning? You don't
think it makes sense?
Fine, I guess.
But it makes total sense to me.
And it made sense to Pavlov, too,
though not many people know this.
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement."
IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are
what reinforces any behavior.
Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole
atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey
instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it
back into the hole. This was 7 years before
he died. Up until the very last time he walked
through that section of the park (an hour before
he went) he checked the base of that tree.
He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never
saw it again. Don't we all have stories like
that?
Especially those of us with dogs whose
prey drives are pretty intense?
And there are lots of examples that may not
even require the prey drive to be active,
just a strong desire to do something: a dog
who wants to escape from the back yard will
learn how to do it once and never forget it,
a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the
bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce"
or re-learn the behavior.
If something is important to a dog, he'll
learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he
learns it. The trick to getting him to
"unlearn" it, is to give him a more
emotionally satisfying replacement behavior.
With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying
behavior was relating to me instead of the cat.
(He's a Lab, with a strong need for social
connections, so that was pretty easy.)
I've been experimenting recently with Jerry
Howe's method of using a sound distraction,
then praising the dog, without any physical
contact, for 15 seconds.
My initial reaction to his technique was that
it was silly to keep praising the dog that long.
I mean, Jerry's a nut, right?
But in every case except one, when I've followed
the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite
physiological change take place in the dog -
-yawning or stretching have been the usual
indicators -- and after only a few repetitions,
the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep!
I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing,
separation anxiety, even two dogs who live
together and fight constantly. I was pretty
amazed when I saw this little Boston give up
her aggression and start to yawn!
It's too early for me to be convinced that it
will work every single time with every single
dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect
on these dogs, but so far I think that it's
effective at reducing emotional tension, which,
as you know, I believe that all behavior comes
from the dog trying to find a way to reduce
emotional tension. If you give the dog a
replacement behavior that successfully reduces
emotional tension, the first behavior will no
longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it.
-----------------
Subject: why are Tara Green and Leah talking about me, or are they?
From: The Puppy Wizard
Date: Sun, Dec 12 2004
HOWEDY taragreen2,
Cc's for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:
kelleyMet...@aol.com;taragre...@verizon.net;
t...@dog-play.com;javag...@yahoo.com; der...@uwm.edu;
"Tara" <taragre...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:41BC6FA2...@verizon.net...
> LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
> > Kelley: I see now why Jerry thought my techniques were under
> > discussion --
> > they kind of were. From my website:
> Lee, that's pretty arrogant.
Lee NEVER accused you of PLAGIARIZING his
accHOWENT of his first EXXXPERIENCE using
the TECHNIQUE you and leah was DIS-CUSSING
and MANGLING in your inimitable crazy drunken
multi substance CONfHOWENDED psychotic
little jealHOWES fearful minds.
You're SUPPOSED to be a PROFESSIONAL
DOG TRAINER. You're SUPPOSED to KNOW
HOWE to USE the TOOLS LeeCharlesKelley
TAUGHT you. You're SUPPOSED to GIVE
CREDIT for INTELLECTUAL INFORMATION
you've GLEANED through READING and
talking in person with the SOURCE of your
INFORMATION.
> Do you have ANY idea how many people on this ng train in drive?
INDEED?
You talkin abHOWET lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn and Master Of Deception blankman? They're
the ONLY trainers who've been talkin abHOWET
trainin in DRIVE. robin SEZ sumpthin abHOWET
IT but she SEZ she DON'T KNOW NUTHIN other
than SOME of the BOOKS she mentioned might
be worthile, the WONS you NEVER HEARD OF.
> Do you have ANY idea how far they've taken their training,
Yeah. YOUR PAL lying "I LOVE KOHELER" lynn
who TALKS abHOWET trainin IN DRIVE and the
work of dildi and balbanov and others FAILED SAR.
Your PAL Master Of Deception blankman is
still BEATIN HER DOG IN THE FACE with a
shepherd's crook and jerkin and chokin IT
arHOWEND the RHOWEND pen on her pronged
spiked pinch choke collar.
> and how high a level they've been competing at?
Perhaps you can NAME NAMES taragreen2?
THEN we can LOOK UP THEIR POSTED CASE
HISTORIES and PROVE YOU'RE INSANE.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAA!!!
CITE WON SUCCESSFUL TRAINER HERE.
> Do you have any idea how many trainers and authors out there have been
> doing this far longer than you have?
You mean the WONS your pal ROBIN suggested
whom you'd NEVER HEARD OF, taragreen2?
NO WONDER Lee doesn't read this idiocy!
> So, no. You were not under discussion
But the METHOD Lee taugh US was and IS
under DIS-CUSSION. PERHAPS so long as
you got Lee's ATTENTION you MIGHT ASK
HIM HOWE to USE what HE TEACHES so
you could LEARN HOWE to TRAIN a dog
IN DRIVE, eh taragreen2?
> and, past checking to see that it exists, I have never once looked at your
> website.
You don't have to. Seems Lee has POSTED that
to HOWER forums... when he was TEACHIN leah
HOWE to TRIGGER the PRAY DRIVE.
> So no, *your* methods were not under discussion.
Where did leah say she LEARNED that METHOD Lee had
been TEACHING US and suja USED as a "TEST?"
> You see, prey drive training has been around a *long* time.
BUT YOU NEVER HEARD OF IT TILL LeeCharlesKelly
INTRODUCED and TRIED to TEACH YOU but you didn't
have the INETELLECT to see anything MOORE than
PLAY and can certainly NEVER figger HOWET HOWE
to USE IT to TRAIN the dog. You CAN'T EVEN USE IT
to TRAIN a SIT or DHOWEN and THAT'S AN AUTOMAGICK
RESPONSE!!!
> That was, in fact, the topic of our conversation all those years ago.
You mean that day you and your dog met him
and you was PAINICKING and actin like a MENTAL
CASE that Lee detailed for us, taragreen2?
> You do not get to claim that it is *yours*
RIGHT. You're SUPPOSED to GIVE CREDIT
to the SOURCE when you CITE a METHOD,
as Lee did. He SEZ he LEARNED from Kevin
Behan, the ONLY OTHER trainer you've ever
heard of who uses DRIVES.
> anymore than I get to suggest that a newbie trainer is discussing
> "MY"techniques when they are talking about luring.
You mean when your "METHOD" FAILS and you
TRY using this NEW method Lee was KINDLY
enough to TEACH YOU?
OR did you mean your LEAVE IT COMMAND?
> But I suspect you just don't ever see how arrogant you sound most of the
> time.
You mean to say you think Lee thinks you PLAGIARIZED him?
NO WAY!
Your accHOWENT of your first EXXXPERIENCE
is THE SAME as Lee's or leah's or The Amazing
Puppy Wizard or ANY WON on accHOWENT of
the METHOD IS THE SAME.
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
> I find that too bad.
INDEED?
THAT MEANS LeeCharlesKelley is TEACHIN
a SCIENTIFIC METHOD, taragreen2.
THAT'S HOWE COME IT ALWAYS WORKS.
> Tara
And THAT'S HOWE COME YOURS DON'T.
>>> They're all Kevin Behan "Natural Dog Training" fans. Kevin's methods are
>>> EXXXCELLENT, HOWEver, they differ substantially from what I teach, and
>>> so I don't recommend you get involved with studyin it just yet.
> This person would be better served by loking at drive training their high
> drive breed than using your second hand drivel.
Oh, you mean like HOWE you successfully trained
your SchutzHOWEND bread DEAD DOG Finn?
>>> HOWEver, if you want a EXXXCELLENT resource regardin "DRIVE FLOW" you
>>> MUST read Lee Schulman's book "DRIVE FLOWS" if I recall the name
>>> correctly. Perhaps tara will recall? NO DHOWET she's NEVER READ IT as
>>> she FEARS an HATES BOTH Lees <{}: ~ ( >
> Nope. Never even heard of one of them. Don't fear LCK at all. And "hate"
> is too strong a word. He's more just an annoyance at the dog run, since he
> doesn't control his dogs, doesn't get off the bench, barely even looks to
> see what they're up to, and then gets asked to leave when enough people
> get sick of his dogs' out of control behavior.
Here's HOWE COME you FEAR an HATE LeeCharlesKelley:
NO BAD DOGS JUST BAD TRAINERS
Copyright 1994 by Lee Charles Kelley
Why Everything The Experts Say About Dog Training Is
Wrong, And How, By Doing The Opposite, You Can Get
Better Results!
CHAPTER 1--An Exciting New Philosophy of Dog Training
It seems like everywhere you go these days, from the dog
runs to the park, even on street corners, you hear dog owners
talking about how you need to show your dog you're his pack
leader in order to get him to obey.
The biggest problem with this notion is that it creates an
overemphasis on what I call Avoidance Training, where
a dog obeys a command in order to avoid getting corrected.
Some trainers say you need to take the Alpha role with your
puppy early or he will always try to dominate you. They base
this idea on the intricate social structure of the canine pack; a
structure these so-called experts say is founded on the dominance
of the pack leader (it's not), and which, they say, plays a crucial
role in training (it doesn't).
This hierarchy is also known by another name--the pecking
order. And it also exists in birds, not just dogs and wolves.
If it were the key element in training there would be a more
seeing-eye ducks and attack-trained chickens. (This reminds
me of the dancing chicken they used to have in carnivals. You
know how they got the chicken to dance? They put a hot-plate
under the stage and turned the heat up.
Is that how you want to train your dog?)
Look, your puppy understands naturally that you're his pack
leader. You're bigger and smarter than he is. You know where
the food is kept. You can open doors and operate elevators so
the two of you can go on hunting expeditions together.
On top of all that, you have pockets!
You don't need to prove that you're the pack leader, if
anything you just need to learn how to be the pack leader.
"But I can't get my dog to listen to me!"
Yes, but what's needed is an understanding of Nature's reasons
for creating the Pack Instinct. While it's true that dogs are related
to wolves and that they share the same elaborate social structure,
what the experts don't seem to realize is that the pack's social
structure exists to serve the unique canine Prey Instinct, and that
re-directing your dog's hunting drive into a group purpose, rather
than suppressing it through dominance, is the most effective way
to train him.
Dogs have four basic instincts which can be divided into two groups:
The Survival Group
Survival and Sexual Instincts
(including fear, hunger, dominance, sex,
and aggressive behaviors);
The Social/Hunting Group
Pack and Prey Instincts
(social attraction, social resistance,
hunting, and group mood behaviors).
Traditional training methods, which stimulate the survival
instincts through fear or dominance, teach a dog how not to
do things. The methods I use, which I call Play Training,
teach a dog how to do things in a positive way; how to
channel natural impulses into obedience.
All of the behaviors we need from a dog--from sitting to
staying to coming when called--already exist within him
as part of his natural hunting drive. The easiest and most
effective way to unlock these behaviors, and to put them
to use, is by playing games with your dog, not by dominating
him or trying to prove that you're the pack leader.
Most of the time I don't even care if a dog thinks he's the pack
leader. In fact, sometimes I'll encourage a dog to think that to
build his confidence.
The first thing I train a puppy to do is to jump up on command.
Traditional trainers say, "Oh, you should never let a puppy jump
up. It's cute when they're young but when they get bigger, watch
out."
Yes, I know, but I didn't say that I let the puppy jump up. I
said I train him to do it--on command. There's a big difference.
Traditional trainers say, "Yes, but jumping up is a form of
dominance. You run the risk of making him think he's the
Alpha dog." First of all, that's not true. And even if it were
true, I'm smarter than he is. Let him think what he wants.
What do I care? I've already taught him a command.
Who's really in charge?
The second thing I teach a puppy is to jump up only when the
command is given. This takes a little longer, but a nice side-
effect is that it also teaches him to sit. The next thing I teach
him is that when he jumps up he has to stay up until I give him
the release signal.
In a fairly short time I've taught him four behaviors without
having to prove who's boss. And everything I've taught him
makes learning fun, and reinforces the dog's natural attraction
to me.
Training a dog not to jump up puts him in conflict and inhibits
his social attraction. This can be deadly later when you want
your dog to come when called.
"Still, I think a dog should be trained not to jump up on people."
Sure, so do I. And this is the best way to do it. Look, I've seen
dogs who were trained not to jump up through traditional avoidance
methods and the only thing they were trained to do is to repress
their
natural reflexes. Most of them jump up anyway and the ones that
don't stare at you like they want to and wiggle around a lot.
Dogs trained the Play Training way learn by contrast not to jump
up and eventually transform the energy of the original jumping up
reflex into a focused sit or heel, with no wiggling and no repressed
impulses.
"I don't know. It seems to me that these trainers have been
using avoidance methods for years. I find it hard to believe
they don't work."
Oh, don't get me wrong, they work. They can be very effective
at stopping problem behavior as it happens, for one thing.
Remember, these techniques stimulate a dog's Survival Instinct.
It's very easy to get a dog (or anyone) to obey when it's a matter
of survival. Avoidance methods also work quickly to elicit a
response to simple commands, like sit or stay, but it's just
cosmetic obedience.
It exists only on the surface because the dog doesn't really
want to obey. His heart isn't in it. One side effect is that
an avoidance trained dog tends to be less responsive the
further away he is from the handler, especially in the face
of powerful distractions.
In other words, it's more difficult to dominate a dog who's fifty
yards away from you running after a squirrel in the park, than
it is a dog who's sitting next to you in the apartment.
Play Training provides control in both situations.
Then there's the dog who obeys his trainer but not his owner
because the trainer is accustomed to acting dominant and the
owner isn't. I'll give you an example:
I was in Central Park one day with my Dalmatian, Freddie,
and I ran into a young couple who also had a Dalmatian,
Freddie's age. They were astounded to see him running free,
off-lead, and that he listened to me and happily obeyed all my
commands instantly.
They told me they'd hired a trainer from a nearby pet store, with
mixed results. "Rocky doesn't obey us at all," the husband said,
smiling, "but the instant he sees his trainer, his tail goes between
his legs, his ears go back and he obeys everything!"
The dog was trained, but he wasn't obedient. The sad thing is,
this seemed to please these people, as if this is how it's supposed
to be.
Is this what you want from your dog, fearful submission?
If so, you're not going to get it here.
An excerpt from the book "No Bad Dogs, Just Bad Trainers" by Lee Kelly
Yours for freedom of information,
Jerry "Freedom Of Information Act," Howe.
> Come to think of it, I guess I do hate that.
INDEEDY!
> And the last time he and I were in the dog run together, one of his dogs
> started three fights (he never even looked), and I got bitten breaking the
> third one up by myself. Still took hom almost 5 minutes to show up and
> find out what happened.
Perahaps Lee knew you had EVERY THING IN CON-TROLL?
BWEEEAAAHAAHAAA!!
> Nice company you keep, psycho. Both of you are all talk, and no actually
> trained dogs to back up your words.
Oh, you mean UN LIKE your HIGHLY DRIVEN DEAD DOG Finn?
> This is why most of the world has you killfiled.
Sez the lyin dog abusin mental cases <{}: ~ ) >
> Note to savshocktroop: The only reason anyone at all is even seeing his
> posts is because you're refusing to snip his rambling drivel.
> Though I suppose it was a kick to see the latest lies he's been busy
> concocting.
CITE WON PLEASE, tara?
> But even that gets old quickly,
INDEEDY! IN FACT, YOU NEVER HAVE CITED WON LIE.
> since no matter what is said, he'll just continue to libel
You mean CITING your own POSTED CASE HISTORIES.
> even after he's been corrected a thousand times.
You can DENY it all you LIKE, tara.green2 <{}: ~ ) >
> Good luck with your new friend!
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK you freakin mental case <{}: ~ ) >
> Tara
"Sneaky Anger", "The Cold Shoulder", "Shaming And Beratement").
Still Crazy, After All These Years
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
news
> At our local off leash park there is a regular attendee who has a pair of
> huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
> repeatedly to the point of stalking. It doesn't matter if it's a male or
> female or a pup, he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't
> bitten mine yet.
> I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed it get into
> fights when dogs stand up to him. Now this owner doesn't strike me as the
> sharpest tool in the shed but he's not that stupid that he can't see the
> problem but he chooses to blame everyone elses dog particularly when its a
> staffie that sticks up for itself.
> I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
> because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
> get ugly. So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog
> and mine and just shoved it away, if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot
You answered your own question, didn't you?
Tara Green
Oh I agree.
But NYC isn't big on wilderness either ;-)
Tara Green
And that right there is one of the biggest
problems with dog parks.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Back to blaming "people, places an things" again, eh, tara?
SteveB
Yah. All those people. All those dogs. EWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Tara Green
Uh no. I love that part.
Just not the one's sitting on their asses not
interacting or playing with their dogs.
Its not a spectator sport.
SteveB
SteveB
Not totally. But then, just as at some playgrounds, there are times when
the adults need to stay on the benches and just let their kids play. Unless
they're the micromanaging control freak kind or germophobic. But even
that's fun to watch some neurotic out there running themselves into a
frazzle and another dose of medicine trying to keep the world away from
their little darlings, hairy bodies or no.
Steve
Steve
> Not totally. But then, just as at some playgrounds, there are times when
> the adults need to stay on the benches and just let their kids play.
> Unless they're the micromanaging control freak kind or germophobic. But
> even that's fun to watch some neurotic out there running themselves into a
> frazzle and another dose of medicine trying to keep the world away from
> their little darlings, hairy bodies or no.
>
> Steve
I feel terrible for those that don't lay on the grass and let the dogs mob
them. I can't think of a better way to unwind than wrestling and playing
with dogs, doing the tug of war with a deflated soccer ball or tennis ball
catapult. When I get home from the park my clothes are trashed, both the dog
and I are trashed and we both sleep very well. I've been bitten by accident
a hundred times playing rough house but never any blood drawn and any time
it has happened the culprit has looked mortified until they get a reassuring
pat and praise. There is a staffie that goes there that pics up his flat
soccer ball and pushes it against peoples legs until they play tug of war,
who could say no to that?
SteveB
From sitting on the bench to wallowing in the grass. Whatever winds yer
clock. There is no "right" or "wrong" way. Unless you let your dog do bad
things, or are just too "nurturing."
Tara Green
Right. Much better to kill your dog for being
out of control than to ever "nurture" it.
A MUCH better plan, that.
SteveB
And better than that is for SOMEONE ELSE to kill your dog for being out of
control. A much better plan, that.
Steve
Tara Green
two options (killing, or having killed FOR
you)....when one doesn't feel the need to
"nurture" that is.
Nice job!
SteveB
I'm up for nurturing. What are you doing tonight?
.........................................................................................................?
Tara Green
Sorry. No dog killers for me. Thanks.
Steve
> Certainly. Because clearly those are the ONLY two options (killing, or
> having killed FOR you)....when one doesn't feel the need to "nurture" that
> is.
>
> Nice job!
I don't get it, dogs respond so well to love and care and will give you in
return the most sincere and loyal companionship yet people are like "they're
just dogs". Our two dogs are mostly outside, they come in when I get home
from work and hang out with me while I make their dinner. After I've fed the
family and we've caught up on todays activities I let the dogs in and the
dogs and I lay on the floor while we all chat, watch TV etc. Generally
during this I'll brush the dogs and the lab will happily lay on her back
getting her tummy rubbed or she'll cheekily wander from person to person
dong the things she does to torment us like licking my step sons feet
because he's ticklish or deliberately walking past and bumping into me, the
big wet ear lick or playing "see who can spread out the most on the sofa"
with my wife and her favourite, stealing your seat when you get up. The look
and the wagging tail is a riot with that one.
My dogs don't bite, they only bark at strangers and not other dogs, they
don't dig, they only chew their chew toys and they have no fear of me
whatsoever. People at the park comment on the lab saying "jeez she loves you
to death" and "how did you teach her to follow you while you do laps?" and
the thing is, she chooses to follow. After reading Jerrys manual I realised
that I was doing alot of things right by accident or by my nature to not hit
or yell at my dogs and to give them big amounts of reassurance.
I think we have an obligation to our pets to nurture them, we chose them, we
choose how they live, what they eat, their level of comfort and those
choices we make mostly determine length and quality of their life.
Tara Green
I agree with a lot of what you just wrote here.
Now, go tell your friend (the "other" Steve")
that nurturing and training your dogs to be
fully functioning members of the family
(especially if it means you won't have to
kill them!) is a GOOD thing.
I'm not sure he gets that yet.
SteveB
Speaking of people in the third person IS rude, in case YOU do not get it.
If you have something to say to me, please say it directly. Unless, of
course, because of immaturity you cannot do so.
Steve
Tara Green
With your own very extensive history of
making base and nasty remarks about people in
the third person, you have GOT to be kidding.
The Engineer
> At our local off leash park there is a regular attendee who has a pair of
> huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
> repeatedly to the point of stalking. It doesn't matter if it's a male or
> female or a pup, he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't
> bitten mine yet.
> I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed it get into fights
> when dogs stand up to him. Now this owner doesn't strike me as the sharpest
> tool in the shed but he's not that stupid that he can't see the problem but
> he chooses to blame everyone elses dog particularly when its a staffie that
> sticks up for itself.
> I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
> because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
> get ugly. So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog
> and mine and just shoved it away, if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot
> now and I've told this guy that he needs to work on his dog but like every
> halfwit he knows everything about everything.
> Local council and the rangers are under resourced so that route is no good
> and proving him and his dog have breached the Companion Animals Act is a bit
> difficult.
> Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury?
>
>
I have some ideas on how to save yourself some time in Gaol
I traced your IP address.
I can't believe any one can be so stupid as to use their real first name
and threaten assault Killing a dog in writing. I bet your "lightening
quick fuse" means you have form
I have observed this jerk at the dog park. He is a fat lump of lard in
red shirt with a brown lab that is scared of it's own shadow (Wonder why
that is?) The real reason he is upset with the owner of the Huskies is
because he asked him to pick up his dog's dog carp. He sits on his fat
arse on the bench and does not watch his dog.
He struts around the park saying "You have been warned" and has very
strongly abused a family father, mother and eight year old boy at the
park uses simply because they do not agree with his view of the world.
Forget about dogs YOU ARE PROBLEM.
You highly over rate your fighting abilities. All I see when I look at
you is heart attack on stick.
Alpha Male bald head let me guess your wife hates you and has left you.
Your kids hate you.
YOU EVERYONE A FAVOUR - KILL YOURSELF
Steve
"The Engineer" <not_...@nooosppamm.com> wrote in message
news:6oTFm.50476$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I have some ideas on how to save yourself some time in Gaol
>
> I traced your IP address.
>
> I can't believe any one can be so stupid as to use their real first name
> and threaten assault Killing a dog in writing. I bet your "lightening
> quick fuse" means you have form
Enough form to deal with a disability pension cheat with a fag earring
> I have observed this jerk at the dog park. He is a fat lump of lard in
> red shirt with a brown lab that is scared of it's own shadow (Wonder why
> that is?) The real reason he is upset with the owner of the Huskies is
> because he asked him to pick up his dog's dog carp. He sits on his fat
> arse on the bench and does not watch his dog.
Like I told him, he'd remember if he told me to do something because the
reply would be fuck off.
> He struts around the park saying "You have been warned" and has very
> strongly abused a family father, mother and eight year old boy at the
> park uses simply because they do not agree with his view of the world.
> Forget about dogs YOU ARE PROBLEM.
I told you you've been warned not to poke your unemployed welfare cheating
nose into my business again. You lied to someone so you could lick his arse
because you have a man crush on him. I take alot of care to avoid people
from your socio-economic sector entering my life so I don't take kindly to
you poking your nose in. During this alleged abuse I was a foot away from
you looking you right in the eye... Hard to abuse anyone else from that
spot. Are you upset you looked like a lying stinking houso in front of your
wife and kid?
> You highly over rate your fighting abilities. All I see when I look at
> you is heart attack on stick.
If that's the case why did you stand there with shit running down your leg
and your lip quivering?
> Alpha Male bald head let me guess your wife hates you and has left you.
> Your kids hate you.
Bald? Next time ask me to take my hat off wanker lol... Oh, the lady and kid
that come to the park with me... They would be the wife and child hahaha...
> YOU EVERYONE A FAVOUR - KILL YOURSELF
Only disabled pension cheats who can't afford antidepressants kill
themself.. Blow yourself up in your shitbox Jeep and get rid of 2 worthless
pieces of shit.
Avid Fan
The Engineer
> "The Engineer" <not_...@nooosppamm.com> wrote in message
> news:6oTFm.50476$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> I have some ideas on how to save yourself some time in Gaol
>>
>> I traced your IP address.
>>
>> I can't believe any one can be so stupid as to use their real first
>> name and threaten assault Killing a dog in writing. I bet your
>> "lightening quick fuse" means you have form
>
> Enough form to deal with a disability pension cheat with a fag earring
Pension cheat? What do you base that on? You a fucking Doctor? I don't
think you even finished High school.
>
>> I have observed this jerk at the dog park. He is a fat lump of lard in
>> red shirt with a brown lab that is scared of it's own shadow (Wonder
>> why that is?) The real reason he is upset with the owner of the
>> Huskies is because he asked him to pick up his dog's dog carp. He
>> sits on his fat arse on the bench and does not watch his dog.
>
> Like I told him, he'd remember if he told me to do something because the
> reply would be fuck off.
So you admit you don't pick up after your dog. Did you tell the Ranger
that?
>
>> He struts around the park saying "You have been warned" and has very
>> strongly abused a family father, mother and eight year old boy at the
>> park uses simply because they do not agree with his view of the world.
>> Forget about dogs YOU ARE PROBLEM.
>
> I told you you've been warned not to poke your unemployed welfare
> cheating nose into my business again.
Or else what????? People want to know!!
> You lied to someone so you could
What did he lie about? What business of yours did he poke his nose into.
> lick his arse because you have a man crush on him.
I would not talk homo boy. I'm sure you get it up the arse from that guy
with a Brazilian on his face that you bring round.
> I take alot of care to avoid people from your socio-economic sector
> entering my life.
BAAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!! Who do you think you are! Pretentious fat
pig! I'm sure you did not finish high school and I hear you work as
roofer. Geee that is a high class job. Sticking tiles on a roof. Naah
that cannot be your job as there isn't a building out there that can
support your fat arse.
> so I
> don't take kindly to you poking your nose in. During this alleged abuse
> I was a foot away from you looking you right in the eye... Hard to abuse
> anyone else from that spot. Are you upset you looked like a lying
> stinking houso in front of your wife and kid?
>
>> You highly over rate your fighting abilities. All I see when I look
>> at you is heart attack on stick.
>
> If that's the case why did you stand there with shit running down your
> leg and your lip quivering?
>
Stick to standing over cripples. Things will get much more interesting
if you did that to some one else.
>> Alpha Male bald head let me guess your wife hates you and has left you.
>> Your kids hate you.
>
> Bald? Next time ask me to take my hat off wanker lol... Oh, the lady and
> kid that come to the park with me... They would be the wife and child
> hahaha...
I've never seen you with anyone except that that guy with the Brazilian
on his face (is that your wife?)
>
>> YOU EVERYONE A FAVOUR - KILL YOURSELF
>
> Only disabled pension cheats who can't afford antidepressants kill
> themself.. Blow yourself up in your shitbox Jeep and get rid of 2
> worthless pieces of shit.
So the anti-depressants are working for you - Think you better see a
Psychiatrist and get some anti-psychotics.
So much for your whine about the bullying behaviour of a couple of
Huskies. I think everyone in this news group can see what a piece of
shit you are. FAT LUMP OF CRAP!!!
Kathleen
Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Lyin Spammin Slanderin Defamin Dog Child an Horse Abusin
Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable
Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
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<SNIP>
>>>> EVERYONE A FAVOUR - KILL YOURSELF
>
>>>Only disabled pension cheats who can't afford antidepressants kill
>>>themself.. Blow yourself up in your shitbox Jeep and get rid of 2
>>>worthless pieces of shit.
>
>> So the anti-depressants are working for you - Think you better see a
>> Psychiatrist and get some anti-psychotics.
>
>> So much for your whine about the bullying behaviour of a
>> couple of Huskies. I think everyone in this news group can
>> see what a piece of shit you are. FAT LUMP OF CRAP!!!
> Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?
INDEED? You're just a other lyin sack of crap who can't
handle raise or train her own fear aggressive hyperactive
imbecile children horses or dogs, kathleen:
"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Steve wrote:
>
>> "Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:t6Krm.65852$Y83....@newsfe21.iad...
>
>>>Stay away from public dog parks?
EXXXCELLENT ADVICE~! kathleen does likeWIZE on accHOWENTA
she CAN'T TRAIN HER OWN fear aggressive / shy / hyperactive dogs.
>>>IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.
But of curse~! And kathleen "SEEM" to GOT IT ALL~!
You an your ill trained HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs are a threat to EVERY WON.
>> Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.
Two or three of kathleen's own dogs are JUST LIKE THAT
even amongst each other~!
> It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need to
> "socialize" my dogs (or myself).
INDEED? You're a pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASE who's OWN DOGS are AGGRESSIVE
to dogs AND PEOPLE at the doggy park~!
> I've got a big back yard, access to hundreds of acres of trails, creeks
> and ponds, a pack of four dogs to interact with one
> another and no burning desire to chat with semi-strangers with
> ill-mannered dogs.
Oh? Oh, INDEED??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
kat wrote:
> "Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:2XXLl.9051$zm7....@newsfe19.iad...
>
>>kat wrote:
>
>>>"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>news:dSWLl.11295$BZ3....@newsfe12.iad...
>
>>>>Janet Boss wrote:
>
>>>>>In article <uIKdnSBWX53Uk53X...@posted.localnet>,
>>>>>"kat" <katl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>Remi likes to chase and bark at Shadow when we are outside. It
>>>>>>happens mostly when Shadow is running and/or chasing a ball.
>>>>>>Distracting her with her own ball chase doesn't work. I generally
>>>>>>corral her and work on a quiet command but so far no luck . Since I'm
>>>>>>a novice at this training stuff any tips would be appreciated :)
>
>>>>>>Kathy
>
>>>>>I'm not sure why the above behavior is actually a problem. Sounds like
>>>>>PLAY to me! I've had pups who grab onto the older dog's tail while
>>>>>they fetch, jump all over them, whatever. It evolves with training and
>>>>>one-on-one play.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if it's play or not. Cooper chases Zane when Zane's
>>>>playing ball, running alongside, barking maniacally and nipping at his
>>>>flanks, neck, face and ears.
>
>>>Sounds like what is happening here. Sometimes she does the running and
>>>nipping as he is chasing the ball (no barking) and then all three on the
>>>way
>
>>>back. Are we doomed to taking them out separately? That creates problems
>>>too as the one left behind in the house goes nuts.
>>
>>How well do they interact when there's no ball involved?
>
> Not well. Only recently has Shadow started tolerating Remi a shade more.
> There is still frequent growling and lashing out. Of course Remi's habit
> of
> bounding and jumping into a situation (regardless of which animal happens
> to be in the way) doesn't help.
>
>> Zane seems oblivious to Cooper's badgering as long as he's got a ball.
>> But on a couple of occasions Zane has gotten stressed at various other
>> factors and has lashed out at Cooper for relatively minor infractions
>> (assuming you didn't know their cummulative history).
>>
>>If Shadow's not venting on Remi at other times I'd assume it's play and
>>ignore the noise.
>
> No it's not play on Shadow's end. I'm not sure what it is on Remi's end.
>
> In my situation, I avoid allowing Cooper to antagonize Zane, even
> though Zane is not visibly reacting to the provocation at the time. He's
> clearly keeping score on some level.
>
> Yes we stop any negative interaction as soon as it occurs too. I'm hoping
> it eases in time and was hoping that some time outside together might
> speed
> that but it doesn't appear to be doing that.
Nope. Given the severity of the potential consequences this comes down
to management. And since my husband works night and I have three dogs,
I do understand the difficulty of splitting the dogs up so they don't
wind up confronting each other OR waking up other household members.
Training is a logistical nightmare.
Sometimes this involves piling all of them into the van, driving to a
vacant lot, crating two of the three and working the odd man out. Or I
wait until my husband has left for work, go out back and let the other
two bark their heads off in their crates in the house.
They are all insanely jealous of each other.
My daughter and her boyfriend adopted a rescued BC puppy that I've been
babysitting periodically. She has been hinting broadly that perhaps I
might begin clicker training with him.
No frackin' way. Without further major disarrangement of social order
and living arrangements, it ain't gonna happen. I can't even train my
own dogs with him around.
----------------------------
KathleenFrom: Kathleen
Date: Sun, Jun 9 2002
Groups: alt.mountain-bike
I've been debating on when to start Zane's trail training.
He's 10 months old, and still growing, so that rules out any long
rides. That's okay. I'm still recovering from the virus from hell,
or, more specifically, some of its nastier side effects, so I wasn't
planning a long ride anyways.
And Zane mostly comes when he's called. *Mostly*, which really
isn't good enough, not on its own. But Zane follows Scully like he's
attached to her by invisible bungee cords, and Scully ALWAYS
comes when she's called, so I felt fairly safe with taking both of
them.
I loaded up the bike and we headed out to Lost Valley. It was the
middle of the day, in the middle of the week, so I figured there'd be
little or no trail traffic to deal with. Both dogs went high-stepping
around the parking lot, trying to get used to the feel of their boots.
Zane added a new twist by mule-kicking with both hind legs
simultaneously, trying to throw off his shoes. When I laughed at him,
he grabbed my wrist in his jaws, gently enough that the skin was barely
dented, while growling playfully.
So I flipped him onto his back and held him down until he quit thrashing -
the canine equivalent of saying "Uncle". He seems to be suffering from
some sort of short term memory deficit.
We have to review his place on the totem pole on a daily basis, lest he
come to believe that he holds that much coveted alpha postion.
When we headed out, he and Scully ran shoulder to shoulder, hauling
ass on down the trail. In a matter of a few seconds, they were so far
gone I couldn't tell which dog was which. Then I called them. One of
those far off dots wheeled around and came flying back, with the second
figure not far behind... Scully, with Zane following in her wake.
Good deal.
Scully was thrilled to be out on the trail, but Zane was ecstatic,
out of his mind with pure joy. They charged up and down the trail,
crashing through the brush on either side, spinning and dodging each
other, and making me dodge them. Hopefully, that will become less
of a problem as the novelty of the situation wears off.
After a little less than three miles, I decided to turn back. The
dogs seemed to be holding up well, but the trail was overgrown with
grass and brush and I kept finding ticks crawling all over them and me.
Gah!. I'll be glad when the DOC gets out there and brush hogs that
section of double-track.
As we headed back, the dogs spotted a hiker up ahead, and sped off
to investigate. By the time I caught up, a situation had already developed.
The hiker was a lone man, maybe in his late 20's, wearing full camo, a hat
and glasses. In other words, exactly the sort of person to freak Zane out.
And Zane was indeed freaking out. Barking madly, from about 10
feet away. Full on threat display, with his teeth bared, standing all
roach-backed with the hair along his spine standing on end, his head
held low and forward, in a hyena-ish stance. And the hiker kept holding
his hand out, leaning toward him, staring him in the eyes, trying to call
Zane to him.
Idiot. I don't think he realized how close he came to being bitten.
So now it's back to the drawing board with Zane.
He's only allowed outside with a yard rope attached to his collar.
A yard rope is just a piece of heavy clothes line with a snap hook
for attaching to his collar. I don't call him unless I'm in a position to
step on that rope, and when I do, I call him *once*, then reel his butt
in and make him come.
No more of this calling him three or four or five times before he
comes. I've also been taking him out to many different places
and correcting him for challenging strange men.
And he won't be coming to the trail until I'm sure that the lessons have
sunk in.
I wish, though, that the general public was a little more educated
on how to deal with an unfamiliar dog. Zane never has a problem with
the men we encounter at flyball - they're all dog people, and know how
to deal with him appropriately. I spent some time thinking about what
they do differently, and it all boils down to attitude.
1) When you approach or are approached by a person with a dog, address
your greeting to the dog's handler. This emphasises the dog's position as a
social subordinate.
If you were greeting an actor or a politician, you wouldn't say Hi to the
bodyguard or the flunkies and hangers-on first.
2) ASK the dog's handler before attempting to touch the dog.
3) Keep your greeting to the dog brief and matter-of-fact.
Don't fawn or gush.
4) Don't stare. Direct eye contact is a challenge and a threat.
5) If the dog behaves in a threatening way, stop what you're doing.
Quit staring him in the eye, quit trying to reach out and touch him,
and don't keep trying to sweet talk him. An assertive "Stop that!"
is more likely to have the desired effect.
6) When you're getting conflicting body language from the dog (growling
and snarling, while wagging the tail) always pay attention to what the
business end - the part with the teeth - is doing. A wagging tail
doesn't mean a dog won't bite, it simply means he's enjoying himself
(bullying can be great fun).
Kathleen
--------------
THAT'S INSANE, kathleen.
You're a HAZARD to society, both man an beast:
From: "Delusional_Dimensions_Recovery_DDR"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009
Subject: Re: Prednisolone reduction in dog - can you help?
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Animal An Child Abusin Punk Thug Coward Active
Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:_Fwal.6962$1L3....@newsfe20.iad...
> Father Yod & YHW 13 wrote:
>> On 11 Jan, 23:22, chardonnay9 <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Father Yod & YHW 13 wrote:
>>>> I am going to change vet (again) and try one much further away as the
>>>> vets in the town I'm in are terrible.
>>>>This Predisolone is a pile of *hit!
>>> Sorry you and the dog are learning the hard way. You might want
>>> to look around for a holistic vet who would do more than treat symptoms
>>> and go for the underlying cause.
>
>>> A classical homeopath would be best of all.
>>>Just don't quit the drug cold or it could cause even worse problems. Ask
>>>the vet for the fastest detox without doing that.
>> Thanks.I am going to ask the vet that, I'd like the dog off
>> the drug by next weekend.
>> At the moment the dog is trying to lie down - he must be very
>> tired, I just hope he gets a good nights rest tonight. As for
>> homeopathy...I have tried a few things over the years but they never seem
>> to have worked.He doesn't seem to respond to it but does very well with
>> supplements, herbs etc.
>> Thanks for your concern!
> Please disregard any specific advice offered by Chard.
> She is a crackpot with an agenda.
And you're a lyin animal murderin mental case / spammer
who works for a pharmacutical company:
HOWEDY kathleen,
"Kathleen" khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message news:9WR5j.
964$Aw4....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> chm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone used www.dogtravelcompany.net
> to book either a flight or a vacation package? My husband and I want to
> go on vacation with our 2 labs and just found this company. They're the
> only company I've ever seen that let's you fly with your dogs in the
> cabin.
A total rip-off. Run away as fast as you can.
---------------------
That so?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own dog
CRIPPLED HISSELF tryin to ESCAPE you pupperty?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who COULDN'T
TRAIN her own horse and had to GET RID OF IT?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
terrior won't murder a rat on accHOWENTA
he's AFRAID of them?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
dog PISSES HISSELF when her darlin husband
comes into the HOWES?
And might you be the SAME kathleen who'd only
show pictures of your dog MURDERIN a innocent
defenseless dumb critter to like minded souls?
AS STATED in your own POSTED CASE HISTORY below?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who
SELLS CRAPOLA
on the web?:
Kathleen Hansen
715 Brickingham Drive
Saint Peters, Missouri 63376
kh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
You know from personal EXXXPERIENCE HOWE
difficult it is to establish a REPUTATION as a
TRUSTWORTHY, legitimate business person when
startin a new business.
Perhaps we should wrap HOWER legs so's we don't
get abrasions on HOWER ankles in the scuffle like
HOWE your own ill trained fear aggressive hyperactive
HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs do?:
"Z-Control Skid Boots were born out of my frustration
with other methods of skid protection. Wrapping with
Vetwrap was tricky and time consuming, and was a
constant source of worry at busy tournaments...
"Only four races in between... Do I dare leave him
wrapped, or will his feet wind up swelling? And if I
DO leave the Vetwrap on him, will he shred it as
soon as I turn my back?"
There had to be a better way.
--------------------
And INDEED, there IS, kathleen!
If you LEARNED HOWE to pupperly wrap
legs and COULD LEARN HOWE to TRAIN
your hyperactive fear aggressive dogs to not
shred them off soon as you stop jerkin an
chokin an turn your back on them, you
WOULDN'T NEED your useless spam leg
protectors.
malinda has told us she sees such booties litterin
the Arctic tundra like discarded condoms.
Hey kathleen, have you ever heard of these terms?:
defamation
noun
1. a false accusation of an offense or a malicious
misrepresentation of someone's words or actions
2. an abusive attack on a person's character
or good name [syn: aspersion]
----------------
li?bel
noun, verb, -beled, -bel?ing or (especially British)
-belled, - bel?ling.
-noun 1. Law. a. defamation by written or printed words,
pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publi****ng it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing
the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or
damagingly misrepresents.
-verb (used with object) 3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
slan?der
-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or re****t:
a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,
pictures, etc.
-verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.
-verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.
---------------------
> I know how exhausting this must be for you.
Yeah. It's a real bother to watch her dog be
sick from a deathly prescription drug <{}: ~ ( >
> Understand that while the physical syptoms are difficult for the dog, any
> emotion discomfort he's feeling is due to cueing off of you and your
> distress.
The dog could be DYIN from TOXICITY.
> So chill. Relax.
The dog is takin several times the dose IT should have.
> Yes, this is hard, yes this is miserable, but it's temporary and it's far
> worse for you than for the dog and there is an end in sight.
DOGS DIE FROM THIS.
> Right now the best med for your dog is you.
That so?
> Potty him then lay him down and spoon, either in his bed or yours. No
> cooing or consoling, just the physical comfort of being there for him.
That's a little NEUROTIC, wouldn't you agree, kathleen?
> When he gets antsy take him out to relive himself, then back to bed. This
> is less trouble than you'd spend on a healthy human infant and a lot less
> hassle than you'd spend on yourself during a bout of the stomach flu or a
> serious hangover.
You mean INSTEAD of stoppin the DRUG overdose?
> Pull yourself together, make arrangements and cope.
You're a MENTAL CASE, remember, kathleen?:
Subject: Re: Letter to Carmine
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Animal An Child Abusin Punk Thug Coward Active
Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:A9AYk.9557$b05....@newsfe06.iad...
> Terri wrote:
>> Dear Carmine,
>> You and I both know I love you dearly and that I feel
>> the sun rises and sets because of you.
<SNIP IDIOCY>
meat terri MURDERED her last two DEAD DOGS <{}: ~ ( >
>> Love, Your devoted food slave and poop picker-upper
Yeah, MURDERIN your dogs *IS* the kindest gift <{}: ~ ) >
> Too funny.
INDEED? Perhaps she should post it to alt.religion.kibology?
> Timely, too.
INDEED?
> I woke up last night with Scully's scratchy cracker paws in my face.
> Memo to Scully: If I'm smelling Saltines, somebody's going to have
> to move and it's not going to be me.
HOWE COME you don't just use your "QUIT IT" command?:
kathleen wrote:
How in the world can you sit there and let her lick and
push at you for *an hour*? You really do need to consult
a trainer, I don't even know where to begin with this.
I have a one-word command that covers all sorts of
obnoxious behavior. "Quit!" It means quit licking me,
quit licking yourself,stop noodging, refrain from leaning,
cut out the begging, knock off harrassing the other dog.
And if the behavior doesn't stop I get up and do whatever
is necessary to stop it. Somebody goes off my lap, outside,
in their crate.
You need somebody to teach you how to teach the dog.
Kathleen
-----------------------------------------
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin slanderin dog an child abusin MENTAL CASE,
You're as full of crap as Master Of Deception blankman was.
Here's enough of your own POSTED CASE HISTORY
to PROVE you ain't got the intellect to HOWEtwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog:
"My JRT is skittish around men, including my
husband, and he was never abused or neglected."
My JRT, Cooper (a two year-old neutered male), has a similar
problem, although only with my husband. Dad has to maintain
a very low-key, neutral, matter-of-fact demeanor around Cooper,
especially when he first gets home.
Any hint of either exuberance or gruffness is liable to
turn on the waterworks. Babytalking in a high squeaky
voice guarantees a mess. Another thing that seems to
boost Cooper's confidence is greeting Dad as a member
of the three dog pack instead of one-on-one.
Kathleen
--------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005
Subject: Re: My Rottie is a bummer
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> I have an a dog who is fear aggressive. He cannot be loose around
> strangers. Trust me, a dog who is generally aggressive is a big
> responsibility and probably not one that you want.
I have a BC who is just weird. It's much easier to list
the things that *don't* freak him out than to list the
things that do.
<SNIP>
Kathleen
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Disgusting ...
Re: Disgusting treat for Muttley
by <DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jan 8, 2008
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Animal An Child Abusin Punk Thug Cowards And
Active Accute Chronic Life Long Incurable Malignant
MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletethis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:hYsgj.28$gH2.13@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> mike wrote:
>> I have seen this type of thing personally, among different types of
>> animals, and humans.. It would be what is called 'common knowledge'.
>> Mike.
> Oh, bull****.
Mike is correct, kathleen <{}: ~ ) >
> I've got three dogs, athletes,
You call your dogs "athletes" on accHOWENTA
they're ESCAPE ARTISTS <{}: ~ ( > IN FACT,
WON of them CRIPPLED herself ESCAPIN.
> purebreds born of planned breedings who've never missed a meal in their
> lives,
Probably not.
> have never had a hand lifted to them in anger
That's a LIE, like EVERY THING you've ever posted here, kathleen.
> and they still wolf their food.
Dogs wolf their food when they're INSECURE.
> Breakfast and supper take approximately one minute to consume.
On accHOWENTA they EXXXPECT the other dogs will ATTACK
them an STEAL it from them. It's all in your own POSTED
CASE HISTORY of LIES ABUSE and INSANITY, below:
HOWEDY Kathleen,
"Kathleen" <kathleen.dick...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:f46dbd96.0309202313.249961de@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Agree in general.
Care to discuss what you don't agree with?
> Behavior problems can be caused by bad parenting,
Not bad parenting, just simple MISHANDLING, as
taught by HOWER expert behaviorists and teachers.
> when it is not an organic disease.
Right. Hyperactive kids and dogs do not have ritilin deficiency.
Drugs can be used effectively to help train the
brain to achieve a calm state, but not if they're
used daily for long term, that DEFEATS the purposse.
The same same same same methods and philosophies
taught by The Puppy Wizard to HIS FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students apply equally
as well, to children.
> My mother was insane, and I am autistic,
> http://www.actionlyme.com/CAROLYN_MARTIN.htm
> I obviously also have Lyme disease, now. Carolyn Martin
> says no, I don't have Lyme disease, am just insane. I'm pretty well-known
> in the Lyme community because I testified at the FDA and ActionLyme broght
> down that 200 million
> dollar FRAUD of a Lyme vaccine. You can read about it in
> the "ActionLyme History."
Yes, we had a dog on rpdb die from that crap.
> High Functioning Autism is the opposite of insanity.
Ain't no such thing as INSANITY. That's SUBJECTIVE.
Take a look at rpdb. You'll see INSANTIY as the NORM.
EveryWON there IS INSANE, but they've congregated
together and DEFEND THEIR INSANITY by ALL BEING
"NORMAL."
Ask ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN. He's the chief SCREWBALL,
but he's only ACTING INSANE, to RIP THEM OFF for their
hard earned dough. eddie MAKES HIS LIVING off of DEAD DOGS.
> My father was a design engineer for a jet engine company
> and my nephew is autistic, also, with a very high IQ. So high,
> the school says they can't asses it.
SHOWENDS EXCITING!
> Carolyn Martin says he does not have autism, just Neurofibromatosis.
Neurofibromatosis is a STRESS INDUCED AUTO IMMUNE
DIS-EASE. There's a great deal of that and similar DIS-EASES
amongst HOWER dog lover's NEUROTIC dogs.
> Autism was his *first* diagnosis, and he had
> a speech therapist when he was little.
Good.
> Kathleen Analytical Methods Development Pfizer, Inc (disabled due to Lyme
> disease)
===========
Thank you, Kathleen.
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
spammin slanderin defamin dog child an horse abusin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
mental case,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:ip3gj.
9$l...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] diddy wrote:
>> It sounds so whacked out, I'm embarrassed to explain it. But since you
>> asked..
Yeah. That's BHOWEND to cause lots of EMBARRASSMENT.
> I'd start with putting fresh batteries in the smoke and carbon monoxide
> detectors, and not just because of the possibility of a wiring problem.
INDEEDY.
HOWEver, most folks change batteries when they reset
their clocks at daylight savings time twice a year <{}: ~ ) >
> When the battery in the smoke detector in our hallway is getting
> weak it begins emitting periodic chirps; easy for me to miss, at least at
> first, amid the noises of a busy household.
Yeah. Well, that wouldn't happen if you was to change the
batteries on a regular schedule like HOWE NORMAL folks
do it.
> Zane notices it right away, though.
Naaaah?
> The first time I saw him react I thought he was nuts.
It was mutual, no DHOWET <{}: ~ ) >
> He spun around, stared at the ceiling (I thought) and barked.
INDEED? That's curiHOWES. Dogs are only PAINICKED
by strange sounds when they're VICTIMS of ABUSE <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
spammin slanderin defamin dog child an horse abusin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
mental case,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:rGFfj.1117$dP7....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> donnad6...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I have three black labs. We have a kennel for our dogs, but it is
>> uncovered and the two younger labs always climb over the top. We live
>> near a busy highway and are afraid to leave our dogs outside in their
>> kennel at any time.
kathleen can't leave her own dogs together alone
otherWIZE they'll ATTACK EACH OTHER <{}: ~ ( >
>> We have covered the kennel with a tarp, but they still are able to break
>> the ties and get out.
> Put a plywood lid on the existing kennel.
That's a EXXXCELLENT alternative to TRAININ them
not to want to ESCAPE their HOWESES <{}: ~ ) >
> I'd probably add at least a little pitch to it to direct the rainwater
> drainage but that's climate specific.
Does kathleen suppHOWES you live in a
area where there AIN'T NO RAIN?
> Paint it. Match it to your house or do a mural. Or if you've got any
> leftover shingles that'd work, too.
That's very clever of kathleen. Perhaps she'll offer some designs?
HOWEDY kathleen you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
spammin slanderin defamin dog child an horse abusin
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long
incurable mental case,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:38y6j.86$XH3.29@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing, Grand, Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums
And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory.
I'm Jerry Howe, Director Of Trainin an Research <{}: ~ ) >
Here's my website:
http://relinkz.com/EffectiveNonPhysicalDogTraininAIN'TLUCK777It'sSCIE...
There you will find ALL the FREE information you need to
pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family. Just
follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if you
need any additional FREE HEELP <{}: ~ ) >
> Umm. Excuse me,
You don't have to be so POLITE, kathleen, you're amongst
like minded folks who likeWIZE jerk choke shock bribe crate
intimdiate an surgically ***ually mutilate an MURDER
innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT <{}: ~ ) >
> I don't mean to complain,
We get used to COMPLAININ here by listening to your
dogs bark whine an cry while you ignore punish and
intimidate them <{}: ~ ) >
> but could you guys maybe ease up on the precipitation just a little? Or
> else drop the temperature a few degrees so at least the mud would freeze?
That's a lot far removed from the realm of DOG TRAININ, ain't it?
> I wouldn't ask for myself, it's just that my dogs really miss flyball
> practice and hiking and the lack of exercise is getting to them.
Oh yeah. as 'z dog wheeesperer' sez, "EXXXORCISE, DISCIPLINE
an THEN AFFECTION" are the keys to psychological dog trainin.
> Zane and Cooper have been being quite rude to each other
Naaaah?
Have you ever heard of alellomimetic behavior?
> and I'm getting tired of intervening in squabbles
Oh? You mean, SIBLING RIVALRY?
HOWE COME your "QUIT IT" COMMAND AIN'T WORKIN?
Well, it's your "intervening in squabbles" that REINFORCES
your dog's fear aggressive hyperactive behaviors <{}: ~ ( >
PERHAPS you should let them FIGHT IT HOWET?
> over things like, "Yeah, I growled at him. He was eyeballing me".
Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE you TAUGHT them by deamonstration?
> So if you guys could see your way clear to answering your humble
> disciple's prayers,
As you're probably aware, PREYIN takes a principle role
in WIZARDRY. For EXXXAMPLE, you can make a potion
to cast a SPELL, HOWEver, you cannot cast a spell
or even make a potion, withHOWET PREYIN.
PREYIN ain't particularly encouraged here. HOWEver,
your like minded pals will likely send you some good
thoughts an wish you LUCK that the WEATHER changes.
BE ADVISED, HOWEver, "LUCK is for SUCKERS. NEVER
make a SUCKER'S BET," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ( >
> I'd be most grateful, and will burn incense in your honor.
You mean, to influence the weather?
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Grand, Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard PREYS EVERY season
for intolerable weather so's your dogs will be restricted and
GO INSANE so you'll request PREYERS for the weather
G-D's to relent so you can go back to your CONSTANT
EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCSE to CON-TROLL your fear
aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Grand, Puppy, Child, *****, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard PREYS CONSTANTLY
that you'll study your own 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Training Method Manual so's your fear aggressive
hyperactive dogs won't MURDER EACH OTHER or
DROP DEAD from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}:* ~ ( >
HOWE abHOWET a blood sacrifice?
> Or at least spray some Holiday Scented Air Freshener.
NOT the same, kathleen. You don't happen to have a
active volcano you could throw a couple virgins or an
old slanderHOWES dog abusin whore into?
> Thanks in advance.
HERE'S HOWE COME your dogs FIGHT:
HOWEDY kathleen,
"Kathleen" <khhfmdeletet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED
> wrote in message news:9WR5j.
964$Aw4....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> chm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Has anyone used www.dogtravelcompany.net to book either a flight or a
>> vacation package? My husband and I want to go on vacation with our 2
>> labs and just found
>> this company.
>> They're the only company I've ever seen that let's you fly with your dogs
>> in the cabin.
INDEEDY! And you could certainly take advantage
of a nice arrangement like that when you hand deliver
your sister's puppy mill puppy to his new owner:
"In other news, I will be taking advantage of an
extraordinary oportunity for travel. On January
18th I will be flying to Chicago to meet my sister
and our mom, and from there we will be heading
across the Atlantic to Spain.
My sister is delivering a Norwich terrier puppy of
her own breeding to a buyer living just outside of
Madrid, then we will embark upon a 9 day tour of
the country.
Wish us luck - I'm having a hard time imagining how
we're going to keep a 4 month-old puppy happy and
quiet during the 13 hour flight.
---------------------
That's EZ, kathleen. All you gotta do is learn
a little bit abHOWET doggy behavior <{}: ~ ) >
> A total rip-off.
That so?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own dog
CRIPPLED HISSELF tryin to ESCAPE you pupperty?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who COULDN'T
TRAIN her own horse and had to GET RID OF IT?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
terrior won't murder a rat on accHOWENTA
he's AFRAID of them?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who's own
dog PISSES HISSELF when her darlin husband
comes into the HOWES?
And might you be the SAME kathleen who'd only
show pictures of your dog MURDERIN a innocent
defenseless dumb critter to like minded souls?
AS STATED in your own POSTED CASE HISTORY below?
Might you be the SAME kathleen who
SELLS CRAPOLA
on the web?:
Kathleen Hansen
715 Brickingham Drive
Saint Peters, Missouri 63376
kh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
You know from personal EXXXPERIENCE HOWE
difficult it is to establish a REPUTATION as a
TRUSTWORTHY, legitimate business person when
startin a new business.
> Run away as fast as you can.
Perhaps we should wrap HOWER legs so's we don't
get abrasions on HOWER ankles in the scuffle like
HOWE your own ill trained fear aggressive hyperactive
HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs do?:
"Z-Control Skid Boots were born out of my frustration
with other methods of skid protection. Wrapping with
Vetwrap was tricky and time consuming, and was a
constant source of worry at busy tournaments...
"Only four races in between... Do I dare leave him
wrapped, or will his feet wind up swelling? And if I
DO leave the Vetwrap on him, will he shred it as
soon as I turn my back?"
There had to be a better way.
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And INDEED, there IS, kathleen!
If you LEARNED HOWE to pupperly wrap
legs and COULD LEARN HOWE to TRAIN
your hyperactive fear aggressive dogs to not
shred them off soon as you stop jerkin an
chokin an turn your back on them, you
WOULDN'T NEED your useless spam leg
protectors.
malinda has told us she sees such booties litterin
the Arctic tundra like discarded condoms.
Hey kathleen, have you ever heard of these terms?:
defamation
noun
1. a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of
someone's words or actions
2. an abusive attack on a person's character
or good name [syn: aspersion]
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li?bel
noun, verb, -beled, -bel?ing or (especially British)
-belled, - bel?ling.
-noun 1. Law. a. defamation by written or printed words,
pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publi****ng it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing
the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or
damagingly misrepresents.
-verb (used with object) 3. to publish a libel against.
4. to misrepresent damagingly.
5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.
slan?der
-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.
2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or re****t:
a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,
pictures, etc.
-verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.
-verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.
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"My JRT is skittish around men, including my
husband, and he was never abused or neglected."
My JRT, Cooper (a two year-old neutered male), has a
similar problem, although only with my husband. Dad
has to maintain a very low-key, neutral, matter-of-fact
demeanor around Cooper, especially when he first gets home.
Any hint of either exuberance or gruffness is liable to
turn on the waterworks. Babytalking in a high squeaky
voice guarantees a mess. Another thing that seems to
boost Cooper's confidence is greeting Dad as a member
of the three dog pack instead of one-on-one.
Kathleen
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That's curiHOWES. Submissive urination, like
FEAR of NOISES and ESCAPE behavior is
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
You can CURE submissive urination NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.
LIKE THIS:
From: Eric
To: jho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday, November 29, 2002
Subject: just checking in...
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding
submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing
great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I
stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can
teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me
look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em,
and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their
heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T",
I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate
their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any
of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal
to someone who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out
there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A
horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horseman****p". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any
more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun
intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
====================
I had a BC, a horrible escape artist who had learned to
stick his head into the shadow box fencing and use it to
lever to pry off boards so he could go bumming around the neighborhood.
Obviously the canine spine is not made to deal with this.
The docs at the ortho clinic did the dye test on the
spine and called me with the news that it was most
probably cancer - they said they were about 85 percent
sure. Said there was evidence of a mass well above
and below the disks that were supposed to be ruptured.
And that the kindest thing might be to not allow him
to wake up from the anesthesia.
I was flabbergasted. Devastated. How could cancer have
such a sudden onset? And my own vet had been so certain
that it was trauma...
So I said "absolutely not" to immediate euthanasia. Told
them to proceed with the surgery. Open him up and see what's
in there. If it was the disks, patch him up, and if it was
cancer, just debulk the tumor, get as much of it out as
possible to relieve his pain and buy him some time.
It was the disks. They'd ruptured with such violent force
that the squishy stuff inside had spurted all up and down
the spinal canal - that's what they'd been seeing on the
dye test. It still makes me sick to my stomach to think
about what would have happened if I'd been willing to
follow "expert advice" instead of my own instincts.
Connor had staples in his neck holding the incision closed.
12 days post op I took him to have them removed and the
incision just FELL OPEN.
Thank god it happened before we left the office. Healing
was delayed by the oral steroids he'd been given to try to
relieve his pain prior to his consult at the ortho clinic.
They re-stapled him and we returned again in another 14 days.
This time it stayed closed.
As I recall, I kept him crated for that first month,
taking him outside in the yard on a belt that wrapped
around his waist so as not to put any strain on his neck.
He was so relieved not to be hurting anymore that I
had to keep him confined to stop him from doinging
around like a maniac.
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Dogs are TERRORTORIAL critters by NATURE.
Dogs ONLY run away from their HOWESES when
they're ABUSED by ignorameHOWESES like yourself.
Coincidentally, horses train an handle JUST LIKE DOGS:
*For the regulars, my daughter was finally convinced that
Luna, her mustang, was never going to be a safe, fun horse
to ride. After months and months of dedicated training
she was still making frequent, spirited attempts to murder
anyone sitting on her back.
Albert is keeping her, though, and trying to get his hands
on her brother so he can use them as a matched pair to pull
a buckboard at next year's Chuckwagon Races.
Reno, her new horse, is a sweetheart.
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culprit wrote:
> if you snapped a picture of your proud dog with his first kill, would you
> post a picture of it? someone at work posted a great pic of her JRT
> carrying a squirrel (nearly his size!) to the dog group there. she was
> very proud of him. a bunch of other people jumped in saying how horrid it
> was to post pix of dead animals. i don't think it's any different than
> posting a pic of a retriever with his first bird.
> what do you think? how would you react to something like that?
I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I know for
a fact that there a lot of folks who would. Personally,
I'd only share a photo like that with kindred souls.
I have a young JRT named Cooper who refuses to go
to ground at the local EarthDog Fun Days. He's scared of
the rat in the cage.
I suspect his phobia relates to an incident last year. We
had an invasion of mice in the pantry. Lots of ruined food,
and it reeked of rodent.
I had to clean everything out, and purchase gnaw-proof packaging.
I also put baited traps on the pantry floor.
Now, I was in the next room, so I don't know exactly
what happened, but I heard the "snap" of one of the traps
going off, and then Cooper and both of the BCs came flying
around the corner, tuck-tailed, wild eyed and scrambling for
purchase on the Pergo.
I don't know which of them set the trap off, but it
evidently impressed the hell out of all three of them.
And I think Cooper associates the smell of rodents with
nasty snappy things.
I'd like to see him be able to do the things his
breed is famous for, and I've been told that the best way
to "boost his confidence" would be to purchase a rodent
and let him kill it. But I just can't do that.
Even though I eat meat, drink milk, wear leather and
kill wild rodents with traps. Too many of my kids'
friends keep vermin for pets, and I can only imagine
the reaction that my 4th grade son would get on Monday
morning when the kids in his class share the interesting
things they did over the weekend.
Unfortunately, personal philosphy aside, you
have to decide whether the end is worth putting up
with Joan Q. Public's reaction.
Kathleen Hansen
Z-Control Skid Boots
Leg armor for gonzo dogs!
http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html
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From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005
Subject: Re: curious crate question
Sionnach wrote:
> "Kathleen" wrote:
>> Each of my dogs has his or her own crate. I never expect them to share
>> except for very brief periods.... They tend to be pretty territorial
>> about their "bedrooms", and I don't ever leave them unsupervised when
>> I've got more than one in a crate for fear of a brawl breaking out where
>> nobody can retreat.
> Interesting - that's the exact opposite of the way my guys look at it.
> Mine each have their own, although they're never used at home any more,
> only at trials. Bren and Morag were crated when I first had them, for
> their own safety, but neither has been in a crate in my house for years -
> in Bren's case, for nearly a decade. Rocsi was crated at home maybe twice
> when she was a puppy. We also crated the girls in the bedroom at my S.O.'s
> house for the first couple of months after he got Lacey (also female) in
> March; that's long since been phased out. The main reason we crated my
> girls, incidentally, was that Rocsi kept trying to play with Lacey during
> the night, which didn't make for peaceful sleep. Secondary reason being
> that Morag and Lacey were both a bit possessive of my S.O., which has
> since been sorted out. It was never much of an issue, though, since both
> he and I have clear "pack leader" status with all five dogs. At home
> during the day, they all three sleep together in my bedroom -which is the
> equivalent of being crated together - and I've never had a problem. We've
> also left four of the five dogs alone in Bob's bedroom for several hours
> during the day, and again no problem. At trials and practices, I've never
> seen the slightest amount of territorial behaviour over who gets in which
> crate; I can crate any two of them or even all three together, and the
> only issue that arises is that Brenin will sometimes complain if one of
> the girls is touching him when he's not in a snuggling mood. Morag and
> Rocsi like sharing a crate, and often cuddle together. The only real
> reason I crate them seperately is to avoid snarfing of each other's food,
> and to simplify after-run rewards and swapping dogs between runs.
The only time I use the crates at home is if somebody's
sick and needs to be confined, or if we've got guests with
very young children (it's the kids I don't trust, not the
dogs), or if we've got workmen around the place...
In that case Scully has to be crated because she won't
stay out from underfoot, Cooper, because he forgets
they're there and has to sound the alarm every time he
comes around the corner and notices them again, and
Zane, because he freaks them out by lurking around
and staring balefully with his wolfy yellow eyes.
At tournaments, though, their crates are their castles
and they are masters of their domains. I'm happy that
they have a spot where they feel safe when they need
some alone time and a break from all the excitement.
Kathleen
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You're FULL OF CRAP, kathleen. Your dogs are
fear aggressive and hyperactive and submissively
piss themselves an run HOWET on you on
accHOWENTA you're a PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN LYIN dog child an horse abusin COWARD:
How in the world can you sit there and let her lick and
push at you for *an hour*? You really do need to consult
a trainer, I don't even know where to begin with this.
I have a one-word command that covers all sorts of
obnoxious behavior. "Quit!" It means quit licking me,
quit licking yourself,stop noodging, refrain from leaning,
cut out the begging, knock off harrassing the other dog.
And if the behavior doesn't stop I get up and do whatever
is necessary to stop it. Somebody goes off my lap, outside,
in their crate.
You need somebody to teach you how to teach the dog.
Kathleen
-----------------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAA~!~!~!
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
Newsgroups: alt.mountain-bike
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005
Subject: Re: dogs?
Correct. It would be almost impossible to outrun (or outride)
anything larger than a schnauzer. And some dogs are like cops.
Very strong prey drive... If you flee they'll chase you.
And if they chase you, they'll probably catch you. And
maybe bite you, too, in all the excitement. Don't act
like prey. (And just be glad that dogs don't carry tasers.)
> If you don't need it as a barrier, raise the bike over your head to appear
> even larger. (This is assuming real danger, and not just a few little
> scrappers.)
That only works if you're facing wild dogs in the
Australian outback and you happen to be a little
aboriginal boy. Use your "wrath of mom" voice.
A loud "AHHH AHHH!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
GIT HOME RIGHT NOW, BAD DOG!" works pretty
well, and you can do that keep the bike between you
and the dog, and get hold of your frame pump all at
the same time.
> If no time for all that, a strong cleated foot to the mouth will usually
> shut the mutt up. (Should be the owner getting it, of course, but don't
> play around with getting bit.) Frame pump also handy.
Last resort. And make damned sure you connect if you kick
or take a swing at the dog, because even a lame-assed, half-
hearted feint of gesture will be read as "game on" by an
aggressive dog.
Aim for the snout.
Kathleen
------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:13:25 -0500
Subject: Re: It's happened again...
White Monkey wrote:
> I expect her attitude toward Walter might also change
> toward thinking of him as human once he says her name...
Probably not quite that soon. The ****ft for my dogs
came when my daughter was about 2 1/2. Old enough to
walk steadily upright, good voice control and rapidly
improving hand/eye coordination. She'd seen me do it
a million times, but the first time she faced down a
pair of charging BCs, raised her right hand palm out
and snapped "SIT!"
I don't know was more surprised, my daughter or the
dogs, whose butts had automatically dropped to the floor.
He has started saying, "DAGA!" when we see
dogs, sometimes, so I think he means "doggie"
but won't swear to it yet.
I think that's probably what he means. That's how both
of my kids started off saying "dog". And then I noticed
that when we were playing word games, or looking at
pictures, when I pronounced "dog" emphatically, there
was a distinct expulsion of breath behind the hard "g"
sound. "DOG(uh)". The kids were mimicking exactly
what they were hearing.
Kathleen
Putting the wastebaskets out of reach is one of the
most elementary dogproofing steps. If your parents
won't shut the doors, would they maybe agree to
setting the wastebasket(s) up on the counter, or the
back of the toilet tank, or on the dresser top?
Yeah, maybe the dog ought to learn to stay out of them,
but I prefer to pick my battles, and just closing the
doors made it a non-issue for my dogs.
If it's any consolation all of mine seemed to outgrow
their trash fetish. I can't remember the last time I
saw anybody running around wearing a wastebasket lid
like a necklace.
Kathleen
I would say it's fine *but* keep an eye on the situation
and make sure the dog understands that sharing space with
the baby is a privilege and not a right.
Our BCs were allowed to lie on the baby's blanket with her,
although I had to draw a line when I caught Molly rolling
the baby over with her nose to make more space.
She tended to treat the baby as a cross between a large,
bald, pink puppy, and an automatic yogurt dispenser. That
dog could hear a wet burp from across the house and would
come on the run to clean her up.
My daughter said "dog" before she said "mama".
Kathleen
----------------------------
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005
Subject: Re: Nervous Jack Russel?
William wrote:
<snip>
> A recent tactic we're using is for me to greet him in the garden, but he
> still does his little rain dance when my wife's there with me. He doesn't
> rain on her parade, or on the kid's either, but he always rains on mine.
> I'd hate to think I make him nervous.
Of course you make him nervous. He has a guilty conscience.
He knows you're the alpha in the household, and he's appeasing
you with a submissive display all the while plotting to overthrow
you in a major coupe. ;-)
"Viva la revoluccione!" says Cooper, AKA Wee Man
(and not just for his stature, either)
Kathleen
THAT'S INSANE~!
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On a more basic level, we use clicker training
to teach focus - the dog is rewarded for watching the
handler's face in anticipation of the next command.
I also used clicker training to shape and reinforce
Cooper's flyball box turn and am currently using it
to teach him to stand still and straight for measurement -
he's a height dog and must submit to handling and
manipulation by a stranger.
That's going a little more slowly since it really
runs against the grain for his personality, but
we're making steady progress.
Kathleen
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAA!!!
THAT'S HOWE COME HE'S FEAR AGGRESSIVE. YOU CON-TROLL
HIS BEHAVIOR AND SO HE CAN'T LEARN SELF CON-TROLL.
LIKE THIS:
From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005
Subject: Re: My Rottie is a bummer
Melanie L Chang wrote:
> I have an a dog who is fear aggressive. He cannot be loose around
> strangers. Trust me, a dog who is generally aggressive is a big
> responsibility and probably not one that you want.
I have a BC who is just weird. It's much easier to list
the things that *don't* freak him out than to list the
things that do.
<SNIP>
Kathleen
-------------------------------
UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT:
HOW DIFFICULTIES IN RECOGNIZING
ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE
LEAD TO INFLATED SELF-ASSESMENTS
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the
bottom quartile... grossly overestimated their test performance and
ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile,
they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
http://www.apa.org/journals/fe-atures/psp7761121.pdf
- Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity.
- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.
- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable
from incompetence.
==============
From: "Ms. Mick"
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
"The Puppy Wizard"
wrote in message news:rQpW8.66560
> It'd take fifteen minutes to train this dog to come to EVERY member
> of the family if you knew HOWE, Master Of Deception blankman.
Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using
Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same
problem as the original poster has with Buzz.
One day working with the family pack exercise
and practicing the recall command with the family
and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter
instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative
things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End
here, to try the method and *judge the results
for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in...
always comes when called, not chewing stuff even
if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after
long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't
try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably
a few more things I'm forgetting to mention.
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive
and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous
owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They
(most of them) wanted to give up and kill her
Now she's gained confidence and trust with us.
Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes).
She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she
heard the front door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about
Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from
other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it
takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad.
Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know
Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant
messaged him.
I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right".
He's offered help for free.)
M.
From: "Ms. Mick"
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
"michael" <c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news
3D2BD729.12A6E...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Tell me, Ms Mick, what's Jerry paying you to be a paid shill? I want you
> to be a paid shill for dogtv.com networks from now on. I'll double what
> Howe's giving you, and then add on 50% MOORE as a bonus. Is it a deal?
Ooh.. $0 + 50%, what a dream! :)
To the other posters, just what exactly is
plagiarized in the Wits' End manual? I'll
get whatever book you claim the material to
be from to check it out. You prove it to me.
I don't have the problem training this dog
(using the Wits' End manual).. seems everyone
else is having the problems with their dogs.
People ***** that I'm not giving advice, then
***** again because they disagree when I do.
I don't care. All I know is that my dog is
doing well.
When I said "culled" I meant that what I consider
bad methods are left out. I've already stated that
I think choke/pinch/shock collars, crates, food
bribes, and other punishments are unnecessary.
If a book recommends them,it either goes in the
trash or back to the store. I've given up on dog
training books. I'm not going to devote time reading
books that go against what I'd do to train a dog.
I don't care if the authors are "experts" or not.
Some people here have said, "I thought I'd never
do X either until..." or that there is value in
all tools. Uhm... I'm sorry. A shock collar, for
one example, has no positive value whatsoever. If
you think it does, you wear one for a day and let
somebody "correct" you for whatever they like.
At the end of the day you'd probably want to slap
that person silly. I'm not willing to compromise
my views. I will *never* use those methods.
I've taken back book after book because it claims
to be compassionate or non-force. I open the book
and it's a lie. Last book I glanced at was "Good
Owners, Great Dogs". First page I flipped to was
a picture showing how to teach sit by jerking a
choke collar while pu****ng down the dog's back
end. Lots of pictures showing how to jerk that
leash... *sigh*
Oh, and I once upon a time I thought I was safe
buying that book by Monks. Monks! Sadistic
bastards who *hit* and jerked dogs into submission.
This is not my first dog. I've had dogs in the
past and not used any formal training methods with
them, just my normal belief that all dogs can be good
dogs with positive feedback and without punishment.
It always worked. After my last dog died (about 10
years ago) I didn't get another. I've wanted to
during this time, but I had a divorce, a child,
and other things that took most of my time. For
the past three years I've really missed having a
dog around. So, on my birthday, my husband said,
"Let's go to the shelter." I actually found her
on petfinder.com first.
My current dog needed me to come along or she
would be dead now. I'm not exaggerating, the
vet at the shelter wanted to kill her the day
we brought her home. Why? Because she was a
behavioral nightmare for them.
People wouldn't look twice at her after she
snarled at them and warned them to get away
from her cage. They couldn't look past the
tearing up garbage, fear, abuse, and
housebreaking problems that were listed in
her bio.
We had filled out the paperwork to adopt her
on Saturday, and they stretched the waiting
period out from 24 hours until Tuesday. Why?
Because the vet didn't want to take a chance
on her and wanted to kill her! I think he was
hoping that the long wait would make us give up,
but all it did was encourage us to visit her
every day, take her for walks, and bring her
stuff from "home". Luckily, one of the dog
handlers there was sane and stood by us when
we went there on that Tuesday and demanded that
they let us take her home. She's recovering now
and getting better by the day.
I can't have a dog that pulls on a leash or jumps on
me or anything like that. I'm disabled from a car
accident 15 years ago. I can walk (slowly) and all
that, but lack the balance and strength to survive
a dog dragging me around on a leash or knocking me
over. I'd never be able to catch her if
she decided to run away.
I *need* a well-behaved dog. If my dog wanted
to, she'd have me on my butt in two seconds. I
don't have that problem though.
So excuse me if I come here and get upset when I
read a bunch of posts giving "advice" to "train"
dogs by the "experts" that'll make the dogs just
as messed up as mine was when I first met her.
(She had such fear that everything she did was
going to mean being hit or her paws squeezed or
be locked up that she would get ultra-submissive,
anxious and would pee all over.
She's a big enough dog (Rott/Shep. mix) that if
she would have decided to attack instead, she
could cause major damage. Lucky she was kept
in a cage/tied up, huh?) It tends to upset me
a bit, and all my niceness goes right out the window.
I mistakenly thought that these dog groups would be
a positive experience, but for the most part they've
just made me angry. "Dimpled Chad" has been polite
and helpful, but almost everyone else seems to have
a problem with me speaking my mind.
M.
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Mark Shaw
[...]
> Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?
That'd be "no."
--
Mark Shaw (And Baron) moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm
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"If you stand on your head it looks like the dogs are lying
on the ceiling."
- Melinda Shore
Vi
>
> Enough form to deal with a disability pension cheat with a fag earring
"Disability pension cheat" hmmmm would that be referring to the guy
who was in a wheelchair up until 5 years ago? Ignorance knows no
bounds...
> Like I told him, he'd remember if he told me to do something because the
> reply would be fuck off.
Telling a friend that a stranger slagged him off.... right... that
should be the centre of someone's universe..... and the reason they
should be abused!
> I told you you've been warned not to poke your unemployed welfare cheating
> nose into my business again. You lied to someone so you could lick his arse
> because you have a man crush on him. I take alot of care to avoid people
> from your socio-economic sector entering my life so I don't take kindly to
> you poking your nose in. During this alleged abuse I was a foot away from
> you looking you right in the eye... Hard to abuse anyone else from that
> spot. Are you upset you looked like a lying stinking houso in front of your
> wife and kid?
The Engineer is not my husband...don't know who he is, but definitely
not my husband. My husband was the man who was standing up to a bully
who walked into the park, sped nose-to-nose to him and threatened him
repeatedly in front of everyone.... for telling a friend that someone
slagged him off. Perhaps you don't have any friends who like you
enough to tell you when other people are being rude towards you? If
you do, then I'm very surpised at your reaction, it's what happens
between friends, they look out for each other.
> If that's the case why did you stand there with shit running down your leg
> and your lip quivering?
Standing there looking on... all I saw was you knowing that you
couldn't take him on. He might have a large metal part in his back,
but he's still got it. Plus with all the people as witnesses
(including a cop) that you were the first one who abusingly approached
him, repeatedly threatened him and then stood there in his face... if
you did anything, you'd be behind bars now (and had a civil suit
against you... let's see, the last spine surgery was about $40k, so if
you stupidly hurt my husband, that would be another spine surgery paid
for, plus damages, you could have just as easily handed your house
over and all your belongings!). Thankfully, my husband was man enough
to stand there and let you blow your steam, whilst still remaining
calm. At least you had some intelligence not to carry through with all
your threats, that would have been a very bad idea.
> Only disabled pension cheats who can't afford antidepressants kill
> themself.. Blow yourself up in your shitbox Jeep and get rid of 2 worthless
> pieces of shit.
Very mature. Considering your behaviour towards my husband (and in
front of my son), you'd think that I would return the sentiment. But
no, that's not worthy of a response.
Vi
> Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?
Hi Kathleen,
Dog parks are a great place (most of the time). My family and I have
made fantastic friends who we visit even outside of the park. People
who go to dog parks love their pets so much that, unfortunately,
sometimes a even a minor comment about a dog can end up as a personal
attack on the owner. It's like telling a mum that her kid's not as
cute as the one next to it. There are bad parts in every social event
attended to by a diverse number of people. Not everyone can like each
other and that's pretty natural. It's a matter of going to a place
where you enjoy the majority of people and can get past the bad bits.
We've been going to that park for about 4 years now. In that time, our
girl has been bit over 10 times (thankfully nothing serious), but it's
the people and their animals that keep us going back. There are some
truly decent people and great dogs around (restores your faith in
humanity, as sometimes I wonder if there's any). It's just a matter of
finding a place that you like... if you want to go to a dog park, that
is.
Steve
"Vi" <futurei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 28, 9:35 pm, "Steve" <dontwants...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
You don't get it, I had no problem with anyone until your husband lied. I
probably should have had better self control wen I confronted him but the
one simple fact remains, he lied and lied after he had already tried to stir
up trouble telling one of the girls that there was some kind of animosity
between me and the other guy, explaining to her that because of the
animosity we avoided each other. Because old mate decided to give your
husband enough credibility to bring your husbands stupidity into my life, I
tossed them both in the idiot bin.
I don't like being confronted in the tone your husbands mate used for a
start let alone about a lie. What compounded my anger was his comment that
he didn't know if he could trust your husband, so why did he bring your
husbands stupidity into my life?
Want to talk about stupidity? Ask your husband about his big noting to one
of the girls about some guy he didn't like at the park and how he was going
to sort him out with a knife or something to that effect. Perhaps she got it
wrong or the wrong person but that what she said!
I take a great deal of care not to bring gossipers, idiots, thieves, trouble
makers and general dickheads into my life so I find it greatly offensive
when gossip and bullshit are shoved in my face. You can claim I slagged old
mate off all you like but the fact will never change that:
1) The girl I was talking to clearly heard my reference wasn't made about a
person
2) She will also tell you I spoke loud and clear because I knew your husband
was listening to the discussion
3) Your husband clearly stated there was animosity between me and old mate
when I had until that stage been the most patient person there with regard
to his dogs behaviour, praising the dog EVERY time it approached mine,
patting him EVERY time, reassuring old mate that I had no problem as up
until then his dog hadn't bitten mine and YOUR brainiac husband stuffed it.
The reason until then I hadn't been chatty with anyone was that I chose to
exercise instead of stand there chatting and old mate and I had always been
quite amicable. Your husband changed it from amicable to confrontational.
Now because your brainiac husband took it upon himself to poke his nose in
and cause trouble there have been over 20 letters of complaint sent to
council about old mates dogs behaviour because I decided rather than growl
at a fool or kick a mans unruly dog I would vent my anger by getting people
to fill in a complaint and send it to council. Your brainiac husband lost
old mate a supporter.
Now because of your brainiac husbands trouble making I no longer encourage
people to try and praise old mates dog and reassure it to prevent problems,
I suggest that should their dog get attacked that they immediately contact
police about a breach of the companion animals act, get a good description
of the owner and their registration plate and make a formal statement.
I used overlook the fact that old mate would use what I and others would
describe as a deliberately menacing tone when he asked people to pick up
after their dog because his dog sometimes ate other dogs poo.
I used to overlook how he would tell off people for not having one gate
locked before opening the other gate because he was worried one of his dogs
would escape, run onto the road and get killed but would insist on hanging
around the gate area.
I used to overlook him telling other people their dog is a dangerous breed
and they should leave immediately after their dog retaliated to his dogs
bullying or attack.
Like you said, we often find it difficult to admit our pets are less than
perfect and that's what I used to tell myself.
Now there may be a teeny chance your husband misheard the conversation but
how you get "He's a f&cking arsehole because he tells people to pick up
their dogs shit" from "His dog acts like a f'ing arsehole at times but
nobody has chosen to complain yet" has got me beat. You figure it out lady
because I cant.
I'm sorry if I made you and your kid feel uncomfortable on the day, you seem
like a nice lady but I wont apologise to your husband because logic and
reason tell me he was trying to cause trouble. I actually thought quite
highly of you and your husband because you had enough sense and
consideration to muzzle your dog even though she only showed aggression on
very rare occasions..
I had decided not to respond to the previous replies, I took a deep breath
and just said let it go.... Now I'm going to take another deep breath and
try to convince myself that I should just put it behind me and be nice to
people if I bump into them. I'll probably even apologise face to face to you
and your young fella if I see you, however I'll choose not to have any
contact with your husband because I don't think I could convince myself that
he misheard, misunderstood or confused what I said, I simply believe he was
trying to start trouble. If you truly believe there was a misunderstanding
then put it behind you and move on, if your looking to perpetuate an
argument then say so.
I hope you have a safe and merry Christmas.
Avid Fan
> "Vi" <futurei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:04a20ee1-ced1-4993...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 28, 9:35 pm, "Steve" <dontwants...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> You don't get it, I had no problem with anyone until your husband lied.
You had a problem a long time before that, this thread begins on 15th
of September.
You love playing the tough guy.
"I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
get ugly"
"Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury? "
'I told him never take that tone with me or I'll knock him out quick smart.'
" I had a run in of sorts with the owner before and he's pretty much
aware that I'd prefer to knock his teeth out than debate dog behaviour."
But when the Husky guy confronted you what did you do - nothing!
Of course he was the same size as you (but not as fat)
You bottled up your cowardice for two weeks angered also by the fact you
got four takers for your petition and exploded onto someone you knew had
a severe back injury.
Douche bag.
Vi
> "Vi" <futureisnot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:04a20ee1-ced1-4993...@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 28, 9:35 pm, "Steve" <dontwants...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
to yours that's me looking to perpetuate an argument? No, I'm not
looking to argue at all, simply try to set the record straight. Not
because I want us to be best friends, but because the park is supposed
to be a relaxing place and I don't want to have to stress when going
there. There's stress enough with looking after dogs, let alone trying
to keep people at bay.
As to the 'old mate', there were problems between you long before my
husband came into the scene. You have said it yourself and others have
said it too, so don't make it out that it all started with my husband
- it did not. It's totally between you and old mate as to what happens
between you two. If you don't like the tone of our old mate, or what
our old mate says or how his dogs behave, that's your perogative,
discuss it with him, not me.
There are lots of people at the park who don't get along. It will
always happen. Those who don't get along usually get asked why.
Everyone says something about someone at the park. That's unavoidable.
With that many personalities, I'd be surprised if no-one did. The only
time people truly take notice of what is said is if we talk about an
aggressive dog, then everyone wants to know who the owner is, why is
the dog aggressive, has he/she attacked anyone, etc. Otherwise, in one
ear, out the other... unless people continue to spread things on (with
bits added for interest)... but that will always happen too.
My husband and knifing someone.... that's a laugh!!! Firstly, he's not
the knife type, secondly if he ever did threaten anyone, even
jokingly, a knife would be the last thing he would consider using! I'm
not sure how long you have been going to the park, but don't believe
everything you hear - I have heard some whoppers and have even once
laughed in someone's face when they passed on a piece of 'juicy'
information.
Because I choose to muzzle my girl initially to ensure that she vents
her energy with the muzzle on and to absolutely make sure she doesn't
hurt another dog, I heard once that someone was going around saying
that my dog was absolutely vicious and attacked every dog in the park
and they should watch out, etc..... Should I have confronted that
person and told them off about spreading that crap (resulting in some
new people giving me scared looks)? It certainly would have made me
feel better, yes, but they were so not worth my time. They will bad-
mouth me no matter what, so what's the point? If you do have a short
fuse (as you said you do), don't bother to waste your time with people
like that, I'm sure your priority at the park is the enjoyment of your
dog, so have fun, not war.
> The girl I was talking to clearly heard my reference wasn't made about a person........
> ........but how you get "He's a f&cking arsehole because he tells people to pick up
> their dogs shit" from "His dog acts like a f'ing arsehole at times but
> nobody has chosen to complain yet" has got me beat
Relying on your comments, I don't think you know which occasion was
'the one' when my husband spoke to 'old mate' about you. There were
instances when we were both there, but nothing was said. The instance
we are talking about is a time when old mate asked you to pick up your
dog's poo. You weren't happy about that (whether because of old mate's
tone, him telling you, whatever the case may have been). You muttered
a negative comment under your breath about old mate (not his dog as
his dog had nothing to do with the instance) as you went to pick it
up. I don't think it was"f*cking arsehole", but it certainly was
derogatory. My husband said to old mate that you slagged him off and
absolutely nothing else. Then we left the dog park. That is the full
truth - not a lie. We didn't return for about two months after that
time. We don't have a clue whether old mate spoke to you about that or
not or what happened after that time. One comment was the extent of
the involvement.
My husband is not a trouble-maker. On the contrary, my husband has on
quite a few occasions dispelled rumours started unfairly about people
which new people at the park verily believed. He's not there to cause
trouble or anything similar. We simply have dogs that like to
socialise with other dogs. Who wants to go to a dog park inviting
problems or hassles??
Anyway, whatever it was between us, it's done and finished. It was
done and finished that day at the park in my mind. You have your own
ideas and thoughts about what happened and we have ours. We are not
going to be best friends, or even friends. I know no matter what I
say, you will believe what you want to believe. That's up to you. I
have been upfront with you, perhaps more than I should have been
considering what happened, but I don't like hassles, especially at the
dog park and if this internet interaction gets rid of hassles, all the
better.
And, I too, hope you and your family have a safe and merry Christmas.
Avid Fan
these in one spot so that if an incident does occur this
information,archived forever in google, can be presented in court.
Premeditation is looked at rather badly by the law here.
* jogged over and gave this guy an almighty whack across the melon.
He looked so cute cowered on the ground next to his puppy that was now
wagging its tail. All I said was "it f&%king hurts doesn't it mate?"
You jog?? Can the earth take it?
""Mate, f*#k your dog off or I will throw it
over the fence" as I picked his dog up by the scruff of the neck and handed
it to him."
"I picked it <the dog> up by the scruff of the
neck and walked it out of the park to the enclosure at the front gate
then walked the owner out in similar fashion."
Errr that is assault Steve.
"This seems to have had a flow on effect as owners of unruly dogs either
leave or control their dogs when I arrive now.
My remedy may no suit everyone but if your 6'4" and 110 kg I highly
recommend it. "
You weigh 110 kg? In your dreams more like 200kg. Like throwing your
weight around don't you Steve? More wet dreams.
"I grabbed the dog and threw it over the fence."
"Maybe I'll just have to frighten this guy into not coming
to the park"
Err is that legal behaviour? I don't think so.
"I take alot of care to avoid people from your socio-economic sector
entering my life."
Being an arsehole is not illegal I just thought I would add that one in
to remind the people in this newsgroup what you are really like.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"Vi" <futurei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?
Naaaaah. kathleen is AFRAID to take her fear aggressive / shy / hyperactive
submissive urinating dogs HOWET in pubic; it's ALL in her own POSTED CASE
HISTORY <{}:~ ( >
If ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
then it "SEEM" we got a LOT of dog lovers here abHOWETS who DON'T WANT
TO LEARN HOWE to pupperly raise handle an train their dogs horses an
children,
just like HOWE your newfHOWEND PAL kathleen has learned the HARD way <{}:~
( >
> Hi Kathleen,
>
> Dog parks are a great place (most of the time).
Yeah? You couldn't tell goin by kathleen's own POSTED CASE HISTORY.
> My family and I have made fantastic friends who we visit even
> outside of the park.
kathleen an her ilk AIN'T GOT NO FRIENDS on accHOWENTA she's a
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin spammin slanderin life-long INCURABLE
Malignant MaliciHOWES animal murderin MENTAL PATIENT.
> People who go to dog parks love their pets so much that, unfortunately,
> sometimes a even a minor comment about a dog can end up as a personal
> attack on the owner.
People like kathleen who post their LIES IDIOCY INSANITY INTIMIDATION and
ABUSE here to The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's forums are INCURABLE
MENTAL PATIENTS, at least ACCORDIN TO THEIR OWN POSTED CASE
HISTORIES <{}:~ ( >
> It's like telling a mum that her kid's not as cute as the one next to it.
Sometimes the TRUTH HURTS <{}:~ ( >
> There are bad parts in every social event attended to by a diverse
> number of people. Not everyone can like each other and that's pretty
> natural.
Unlike bein POLITE an HOWEspitable <{}:~ ( >
Them's is LEARNED qualities which require a degree of FINESS <{}';~ ) >
> It's a matter of going to a place where you enjoy the
> majority of people and can get past the bad bits.
Yeah? Well, THAT'LL take quite a bit of REALLY REALLY
HARD WORK to get past all them "BAD BITS" <{}:~ ( >
> We've been going to that park for about 4 years now. In that time, our
> girl has been bit over 10 times (thankfully nothing serious), but it's
> the people and their animals that keep us going back.
"Seem" the PROBLEM is you dog lovers DON'T KNOW
HOWE to pupperly raise handle an train your dogs:
"Now because your brainiac husband took it upon himself to
poke his nose in and cause trouble there have been over 20
letters of complaint sent to council about old mates dogs
behaviour because I decided rather than growl at a fool or
kick a mans unruly dog I would vent my anger by getting
people to fill in a complaint and send it to council."
Your newfHOWEND LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL
CASE PAL kathleen's dogs GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS.
> There are some truly decent people and great dogs around
INDEED?
> (restores your faith in humanity, as sometimes I wonder if there's any).
Well then, THAT'S HOWE COME I've CITED kathleen's own POSTED
CASE HISTORY of LIES INTIMIDATION INSANITY and ABUSE <{}:~ ) >
> It's just a matter of finding a place that you like...
kathleen DON'T LIKE bein arHOWEND other dogs or folks
who may COMPLAIN that she's HURTIN an INTIMIDATIN
her dogs in pubic <{}:~ ( >
> if you want to go to a dog park, that is.
INDEED?
"Your brainiac husband lost old mate a supporter. Now because
of your brainiac husbands trouble making I no longer encourage
people to try and praise old mates dog and reassure it to prevent
problems, I suggest that should their dog get attacked that they
immediately contact police about a breach of the companion animals
act, get a good description of the owner and their registration plate
and make a formal statement."
But of curse you KNOW that ALL temperament and behavior
problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLIN, JUST LIKE HOWE
kathleen's fear aggressive hyperactive submissive pissin dogs
was HURT and INTIMIDATED into submission:
HOWEDY kathleen you Pathetic Miserable Stinkin Rotten
Lyin Spammin Slanderin Defamin Dog Child an Horse Abusin
Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Chronic Life Long Incurable
Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Kathleen" <khhfmde...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> The Engineer wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:35:21 +1100, Steve wrote:
> Anybody still wonder why I stay out of public dog parks?
INDEED? You're just a other lyin sack of crap who can't
Oh? Oh, INDEED??
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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Good deal.
Kathleen
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THAT'S INSANE, kathleen.
>> Thanks for your concern!
HOWEDY kathleen,
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That so?
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4. to misrepresent damagingly.
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> So chill. Relax.
DOGS DIE FROM THIS.
That so?
> is less trouble than you'd spend on a healthy human infant and a lot less
> hassle than you'd spend on yourself during a bout of the stomach flu or a
> serious hangover.
> Terri wrote:
>> Dear Carmine,
<SNIP IDIOCY>
> Too funny.
> Timely, too.
INDEED?
kathleen wrote:
Kathleen
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Kathleen
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From: Kathleen <khhfmdel...@
<SNIP>
Kathleen
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Subject: Re: Disgusting ...
> Jan 8, 2008
> Oh, bull****.
Probably not.
HOWEDY Kathleen,
> Agree in general.
SHOWENDS EXCITING!
Good.
===========
Thank you, Kathleen.
INDEEDY.
Naaaah?
LIKE THIS:
> Umm. Excuse me,
Naaaah?
> Thanks in advance.
HOWEDY kathleen,
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> A total rip-off.
That so?
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4. to misrepresent damagingly.
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Kathleen
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LIKE THIS:
Subject: just checking in...
Jerry!
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> Rocsi like sharing a crate, and often cuddle together. The only real
Steve
On Nov 20, 5:12 pm, "Steve" <dontwants...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> "Vi" <futureisnot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
"As to the 'old mate', there were problems between you long before my
husband came into the scene. You have said it yourself and others have
said it too, so don't make it out that it all started with my husband
- it did not. It's totally between you and old mate as to what happens
between you two. If you don't like the tone of our old mate, or what
our old mate says or how his dogs behave, that's your perogative,
discuss it with him, not me."
I hadn't given him a serve because his dog hadn't yet bitten mine. My real
concern was what my reaction would be if his dog did bite mine.
Unfortunately I tend to react badly and I think his reaction to my reaction
would lead to something unpleasant. There was no premeditation I just know
my nature and my faults well. I didn't like the tone he used with people
however he hadn't given me cause to say say anything and he hadn't tried to
give me a direction. As I told him face to face, don't bother trying to give
me a direction becase a short sharp F&*k Off would be the reply. He decided
to confront me based on what your husband said to him and when I spoke to
Old Mate he vaguely thought he may have asked me to pick up after my dog
when I first started going to the park a year ago, I told him he hadn't
because I ALWAYS pick up after my dog and I even keep spare bags to pick up
after other peoples dogs if they crap near me and the owner is at the other
end of the park. So if there is a very sight chance that Old Mate may have
asked me to pick up after my dog a year earlier (however unlikely) why did
it take a year for your husband to say anything?
"Relying on your comments, I don't think you know which occasion was
'the one' when my husband spoke to 'old mate' about you. There were
instances when we were both there, but nothing was said. The instance
we are talking about is a time when old mate asked you to pick up your
dog's poo. You weren't happy about that (whether because of old mate's
tone, him telling you, whatever the case may have been). You muttered
a negative comment under your breath about old mate (not his dog as
his dog had nothing to do with the instance) as you went to pick it
up. I don't think it was"f*cking arsehole", but it certainly was
derogatory. My husband said to old mate that you slagged him off and
absolutely nothing else. Then we left the dog park. That is the full
truth - not a lie. We didn't return for about two months after that
time. We don't have a clue whether old mate spoke to you about that or
not or what happened after that time. One comment was the extent of
the involvement."
On that day Old Mate hadn't said a word to me and I hadn't said a word to
him so how did he ask me to pick up after my dog and me call him anything at
all? The only person I spoke to other than your husband was a dark haired
girl with a female staffy that Old Mates dog tried to beat up.
Simple fact is it didn't happen so someone is hugely mistaken or hugely
lying. What weighs against your husband is that he stood there telling a
young blonde girl that there was animosity between me and Old Mate and that
we were avoiding each other and at that time there was NOTHING to suggest to
anyone anywhere there was any problem. Is your husband psychic? Why would he
say something like that when it could cause problems? Sorry Vi but what your
saying simply doesn't add up and thats both in my estimation and from what
Old Mate said on the day. Old Mate was specific, the words were "F&%king
Arsehole" and I have a vivid recollection of using those words in regard to
his dogs behaviour 10 feet from your husband. The exact words were "His dog
acts like a f&%king arsehole but nobody has chosen to complain" in reply to
the young girls complaint about Ol Mate telling people off about various
things. I suggest you ask Old Mate, he'll tell you he didn't speak to me
that day until AFTER your husband said something so it can't possibly be how
you explained so you can see why I was furious about it all.
Just for the record, Old Mate knew absolutely for certain there was going to
be a confrontation when I saw your husband next so he must have chosen not
to tell him. As for any fued between us, as far as I'm concerned it done and
dusted. There's no need for people to worry about me unless they cause me
problems and I'm sure some people are a little clearer on how to approach me
in the future. If you think you have a drama with me or your not happy about
something I've said or done then the best thing you can do is walk up and
discuss it with me, "chinese" whispers and "he said she said" usually draws
a bad reaction from me.
Anyway, I doubt there will be any more dramas as Old Mate hasn't been back
there since one of the guys got jack of his dog attacking theirs and gave
him a gob full which culminated in Old Mate being offered out to the carpark
to settle the difference. It's a bit unfortunate the problem took that kind
of extreme to solve but the popular concensus was that it would take that
kind of confrontation to solve it.