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Gu B

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Feb 28, 2003, 7:33:17 PM2/28/03
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i have a 15 months tomcat(Jason) and a 4 months old female kitty(Molly).
Molly had been brought to the house for about 10 days. and Jason seems
accepted Molly recently. but i have just observed that Jason sometimes will
hold Molly's scruff in his teeth. i'm wondering what's this all about?? will
he hurt Molly?? and if Jason is sexually active these days, is he trying to
mate Molly even she is still a kitten??

thanks in advance for any advice or comments

Gu B


Karen

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Feb 28, 2003, 7:55:13 PM2/28/03
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in article b3ov0h$i2...@imsp212.netvigator.com, Gu B at yott...@hotmail.com
wrote on 2/28/03 6:33 PM:

Get your cats spayed and neutered. Do it ASAP.

Karen

hamand...@betweentheknees.com

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Feb 28, 2003, 11:42:23 PM2/28/03
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despam....@ntlworld.com (Chris Street) wrote:

>Get both cats spayed before you end up with a lot of little unwanted
>kittens.....

Hey Chris, you don't spay a male :-)

-mhd

Bob Brenchley.

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Mar 1, 2003, 4:26:31 AM3/1/03
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On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 08:33:17 +0800, "Gu B" <yott...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

It is a domination thing and nothing to worry about. Most older cats
will do it with kittens.

Molly must have been a very late kitten last year, it is unusual to
find one of her age at this time of year. Though she is still young
she may be one of those that develop early and she could be coming
towards her first heat - it would be best to have her checked by your
vet. At 4 months she is still a little young to be neutered, reputable
vets prefer to wait until about six months - but if she is an early
developer then it would be better to have her neutered now rather than
risk a pregnancy at so young an age. Obviously, if you want to have
the option to breed her next year (and she certainly should not be
bred this year) then you need to talk to your vet about how to stop
her getting pregnant this year.

Also, at 15 months Jason is getting to the ideal age to neuter a male
cat if you don't want to breed from him.

--
Bob.

Cat's motto: No matter what you've done wrong, always try to make it
look like the dog did it.

Pan Handle

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Mar 1, 2003, 6:54:12 AM3/1/03
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In article <b3ov0h$i2...@imsp212.netvigator.com>, yott...@hotmail.com
says...

> i have a 15 months tomcat(Jason) and a 4 months old female kitty(Molly).
> Molly had been brought to the house for about 10 days. and Jason seems
> accepted Molly recently. but i have just observed that Jason sometimes will
> hold Molly's scruff in his teeth. i'm wondering what's this all about??

Tomcats restrain the queens that way during sex, so the queen can't whip
around and bite him when he hurts her. (Cat sex is always painful for
the female -- that's just a fact of life. The male has a barbed dick.)
Jason's going to fuck Molly one of these days.

> will he hurt Molly??

No. He likes her.

> and if Jason is sexually active these days, is he trying to
> mate Molly even she is still a kitten??

At four months, Molly is about the equivalent of a human pre-teenage
girl, so she's probably starting to be a little bit attractive to Jason
if he likes 'em young. In a couple of months she'll be the equivalent
of human 15- or 16-year-old girl, so she'll look REALLY hot to Jason and
she'll be capable of getting pregant.

If you want cute little kittens running around the house, then don't
worry about this. Otherwise, some time in the next month or so, have
Molly's uterus torn out and Jason's balls ripped off. All vets will be
more than happy to mutilate your pets' reproductive organs.

Pan Handle

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Mar 1, 2003, 6:54:55 AM3/1/03
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In article <BA856111.4E517%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
kchu...@earthlink.net says...

>
> Get your cats spayed and neutered. Do it ASAP.
>
> Karen

Have YOU been spayed, Karen?

Karen

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Mar 1, 2003, 8:13:10 AM3/1/03
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in article MPG.18ca699d3...@news.alt.net, Pan Handle at
lo...@and.narrow wrote on 3/1/03 5:54 AM:

Take a visit to your local shelter to see the results of not spaying and
neutering.

Karen

Pan Handle

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Mar 1, 2003, 8:12:15 AM3/1/03
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In article <BA860E05.4E87A%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
kchu...@earthlink.net says...

See the cute little kittens. Watch them scamper about and play with
each others' tails. Awwwwwwww. Take one home and amuse it with some
string.

Humans are the ones who need to be spayed and neutered. Cats are WAY
more fun than human babies. Less expensive, too.

Donna Metler

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Mar 1, 2003, 8:38:38 AM3/1/03
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"Pan Handle" <t...@handle.pan> wrote in message
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Until you figure that out of a 6 kitten litter, in a year you'll have three
momma cats-each of which is ready to have another 6 kitten litter, and so
on, and so on. Cats aren't quite as prolific as rabbits, but it is still the
classic grains of wheat on a chessboard problem. Humans have a much slower
reproductive cycle, and a much smaller maximum number of offspring during
the years they can reproduce-and can make a volitional choice not to do so.
Not that (as an inner city school teacher) I don't see a lot of human
children who were born into situations where their parents didn't use good
judgement in whether or not to reproduce, but that it simply isn't
comparable.

And I agree, a 4 month old kitten is much cuter than a 4 month old baby.

Karen

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Mar 1, 2003, 8:59:02 AM3/1/03
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in article MPG.18ca7bbe8...@news.alt.net, Pan Handle at
t...@handle.pan wrote on 3/1/03 7:12 AM:

Boy you are an idiot.

Karen

Pan Handle

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Mar 1, 2003, 9:02:01 AM3/1/03
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In article <BA8618C5.4E905%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
kchu...@earthlink.net says...
> in article MPG.18ca7bbe8...@news.alt.net, Pan Handle at
> t...@handle.pan wrote on 3/1/03 7:12 AM:
>
> > In article <BA860E05.4E87A%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
> > kchu...@earthlink.net says...
> >> in article MPG.18ca699d3...@news.alt.net, Pan Handle at
> >> lo...@and.narrow wrote on 3/1/03 5:54 AM:
> >>
> >>> In article <BA856111.4E517%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
> >>> kchu...@earthlink.net says...
> >>>>
> >>>> Get your cats spayed and neutered. Do it ASAP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Karen
> >>>
> >>> Have YOU been spayed, Karen?
> >>
> >> Take a visit to your local shelter to see the results of not spaying and
> >> neutering.
> >
> > See the cute little kittens. Watch them scamper about and play with
> > each others' tails. Awwwwwwww. Take one home and amuse it with some
> > string.
> >
> > Humans are the ones who need to be spayed and neutered. Cats are WAY
> > more fun than human babies. Less expensive, too.
>
> Boy you are an idiot.

See, this is exactly what I mean. A cat would never say such a thing.

Arjun Ray

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Mar 1, 2003, 9:42:09 AM3/1/03
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In <BA8618C5.4E905%kchu...@earthlink.net>, Karen
<kchu...@earthlink.net> wrote:

| in article MPG.18ca7bbe8...@news.alt.net, Pan Handle at
| t...@handle.pan wrote on 3/1/03 7:12 AM:

|> [snipped]

| Boy you are an idiot.

No, just here to yank chains. Best to ignore any and all posts out of
Altopia (alt.net).

[f'ups set]

Eric Lee Green

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Mar 1, 2003, 12:27:29 PM3/1/03
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In article <MPG.18ca7bbe8...@news.alt.net>, Pan Handle ruminated:

> In article <BA860E05.4E87A%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
> kchu...@earthlink.net says...
>> in article MPG.18ca699d3...@news.alt.net, Pan Handle at
>> lo...@and.narrow wrote on 3/1/03 5:54 AM:
>>
>> > In article <BA856111.4E517%kchu...@earthlink.net>,
>> > kchu...@earthlink.net says...
>> >>
>> >> Get your cats spayed and neutered. Do it ASAP.
>> >>
>> >> Karen
>> >
>> > Have YOU been spayed, Karen?
>>
>> Take a visit to your local shelter to see the results of not spaying and
>> neutering.
>
> See the cute little kittens. Watch them scamper about and play with
> each others' tails. Awwwwwwww. Take one home and amuse it with some
> string.

See the ones you did not take home be taken to the kittie gas chamber
because their parent was not spayed. Watch the bodies be placed into
large garbage bags, and sold to a scrap meat company. Watch the bodies
be ground into "textured animal protein", and used for cattle feed. Awe,
aren't they so cute?

> Humans are the ones who need to be spayed and neutered. Cats are WAY
> more fun than human babies. Less expensive, too.

When you do not spay, you condemn more kittens to the gas chamber.
You're a real bastard, you know that?

--
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Lael 7621

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Mar 2, 2003, 11:20:57 AM3/2/03
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>Cats aren't quite as prolific as rabbits, but it is still the
>classic grains of wheat on a chessboard problem.

Fibonnacci, the mathematician who introduced Arabic Numerals to Europe,
published the answer to that problem in the 11th Century...and his solution
allowed for the 6-8 Months for Females to sexually mature.

The population from ONE pair....1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144,
etc., etc.

Now, that is a BUNCH of kitty cats!!

Pan Handle

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Mar 2, 2003, 11:59:27 AM3/2/03
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In article <20030302112057...@mb-mj.aol.com>, lael7621
@aol.com says...

> >Cats aren't quite as prolific as rabbits, but it is still the
> >classic grains of wheat on a chessboard problem.
>
> Fibonnacci, the mathematician who introduced Arabic Numerals to Europe,
> published the answer to that problem in the 11th Century...and his solution
> allowed for the 6-8 Months for Females to sexually mature.

Did he factor in a lifespan of, say, 12 years? Did he factor in the
high mortality rate (the reason why cats have litters instead of
singleton offspring)?

> The population from ONE pair....1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144,
> etc., etc.

Nope, I don't see the high mortality rate factored in. Don't see a
lifespan adjustment, either. You're assuming that all cats live, and
that they all live forever, and that all the females produce offspring
at the maximum rate. That's a WHOLE LOT of totally fantastic
assumptions.

BTW, are there more cats than humans on the planet, or the other way
'round?

I still say humans need to be spayed. They're just as prolific as cats,
in the long run. They only have one child at a time, but said child
will live up to ten times longer than a cat and can spit out a baby in
less than a year for a good thirty or forty years, and each baby has a
much better chance of survival than a cat does... So it works out the
same. But at least cats have natural enemies that would keep their
population in check before it ever got out of control; humans don't (as
evidence, I present the current world overpopulation).

Nadine Magbee

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Mar 3, 2003, 6:27:30 PM3/3/03
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Seems to me someone should castrate you!

Nadine

Nadine Magbee

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Mar 3, 2003, 6:26:39 PM3/3/03
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The tom cat needs to be castrated ASAP- (he was old enough at 6 months
of age), the female kitten if only 4 months old can wait a couple months
(if you neuter the male now) to be spayed. Having these surgeries done
will be healthier for them in the long run. There are so many unwanted
kitten/cats in the world already, that are killed because no one wants
them.

Nadine

Farmer Lou

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Mar 3, 2003, 7:42:56 PM3/3/03
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> i have a 15 months tomcat(Jason) and a 4 months old female kitty(Molly).
> Molly had been brought to the house for about 10 days. and Jason seems
> accepted Molly recently. but i have just observed that Jason sometimes will
> hold Molly's scruff in his teeth. i'm wondering what's this all about?? will
> he hurt Molly?? and if Jason is sexually active these days, is he trying to
> mate Molly even she is still a kitten??

Stuff Jason head first into a cowboy boot, have somebody hold his hind
feet and tail, and then use a sharp knife to cut off his nuts. Problem
solved.

rusty

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Mar 18, 2003, 6:29:06 PM3/18/03
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OK, will start off by saying to please have both of them Fixed....

Now with that said. I have a gent cat that thinks he is the keeper of ears
and such for the house. He will walk up to one of the younger ones and
decide that it is time for a bath....

1. Pin kitty to floor.
2. Start licking ears, face and such
3. Chomp scruff if they try to get away.

It could be that he is playing with the kitten and trying to let her know
that he is the boss. But also keep in mind that that is all you want, he
may see her as more with the warm weather coming.

R

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KellyH

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Mar 19, 2003, 9:07:58 AM3/19/03
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One of my cats does that forced grooming thing, too! He does it to Loki,
who is not really his brother, but they are the same age and were brought
home as kittens together, so they have always acted like littermates. And
he does it to our new kitten Toffee. Bartleby has never even tried to do
this on NewCat and Mia, who both arrived after him. NewCat is older, so
that's probably why. Mia is about a year younger, and I think Bartleby sees
her as an equal because she won't take any of his crap. She won't move if he
wants her spot, etc. Toffee comes up to Bartleby like she's asking to be
groomed sometimes. But he keeps going and pins her down when she tries to
leave.

--
-Kelly

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