catfood for FUS
newsgroup
meds and not getting over it. I usually give her Science Diet or Nutro Max
but later switch back to the cheaper cat food and she gets it again. I am
going to keep her on the expensive stuff. Is the Nutro Max lite good for
FUS? I am not too into Science Diet.
Elaine Gallant
The grain in dry food gives your cat FUS. Feed her raw chicken including
bones and she will be healed.
"newsgroup" <bla...@jps.net> wrote in message
news:BOc76.279$05.1...@nntp1.onemain.com...
Phil P.
http://www.deja.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=elaine.gallant%40worldnet.att.net&ST=MS&s
vcclass=dncurrent&DBS=2
One of her more notable suggestions was scaling an *unanesthized* cat's
teeth above and *below* the gumline with a NAIL... and not a finger nail, a
carpentry nail....
"I also discovered that if you went a little bit at a time, you could clean
your own cat's teeth. I used a new nail as a scraping tool. It has a short,
sharp edge. Wrap the kitty in a thick towel and do a few teeth at a
sitting."
news:oOJ46.1107$fj6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
She is also a strong proponent of killing rather than treating.
Do a Deja search or visit rec.pets.cats.health+behav and draw your own
conclusions.
Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:_4d76.10129$fj6.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Phil P.
I'm not sure what you mean by "FUS". FUS is not a diagnosis any more than
vomiting or pruritus are diagnoses. Idiopathic feline urinary tract
disease(FLUTD/FUS) is an exclusion diagnosis established only after known
causes have been excluded. Please explain the symptoms.
If you're referring to crystalluria (crystals in the urine) or urolithiasis
(uroliths, plugs) that causes partial or complete urethral obstruction, a
prescription diet may be needed to disolve the crystals (if they have been
analyzed as struvite. Calcium oxalate crystals and uroliths cannot be
medically dissolved). Speak to your vet *first* to make sure your cat does
not require a special prescription diet.
Having said that, feeding high-quality canned diets, such as Nutro,
generally ameliorate clinical signs of, if not actually prevent, certain
lower urinary tract diseases in cats. Cats fed canned diets have nearly
*twice* the water turnover than cats fed dry diets. Benefits of increased
water intake could include dilution of any noxious substances in urine, more
frequent urination to decrease bladder contact time with urine, and removal
of any excess crystals before they grow to sufficient size which can inflame
or iritate the bladder and/or urethra, and in male cats, removing crystals
before they grow to sufficient size to interfere with urinary function.
Another consideration in the pathogenesis of "FUS" is urine pH.
Constituents of foodstuffs exert major effects on urine pH.
Sulfur-containing amino acids, phospholipids, and phosphoproteins (found in
higher quanities in meat-based diets) acidify the urine, whereas salts of
organic acids alkalinize it. Salts of dietary organic acids, which come
primarily from plant material (found in high levels in dry diets), have an
alkalinizing effect which can predispose a cat to struvite crystal
formation.
If your vet does not recommend a prescription diet, I would highly recommend
a Nutro canned diet. However, please consult your vet before making any
dietary changes.
http://maxshouse.com/feline_urological_syndrome_fus.htm
http://maxshouse.com/feline_urological_syndrome_fus.htm#Cystitis
http://maxshouse.com/feline_urological_syndrome_fus.htm#Interstitial
http://maxshouse.com/feline_urological_syndrome_fus.htm#Urolithiasis
Good luck.
Phil.
--
"Cat people are different, to the extent that they
generally are not conformists.
How could the be, with a cat running their lives?"
--Louis Camuti
Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com
Kelly
lot of time and energy to feed balanced raw diets. If you use a good
quality canned food, the episodes should get better. I suggest talking to
your vet about possibly using a vet prescription food (c/d-s or c/d-o
depending on the type of crystal present that is causing her irritation).
Personally, I have a female that had FUS problems... she has been on Science
Diet Light ever since the episode and hasn't gotten another since (Science
Diet is made by the company that makes the vet prescription foods).
Good luck.
Kelly
"newsgroup" <bla...@jps.net> wrote in message
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Little_Raven
newsgroup wrote:
my vet recommended a prescription diet for my 2 boys because of their UTIs..
little_raven
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Horse loves me and that is quite sufficient, thank you.'"--S. Morgenstern, The
Princess Bride
little...@mindspring.com ICQ# 22859105
http://littleraven.homestead.com
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Elaine Gallant
Phil, you stupid little gnat.
"Phil P." <ph...@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
news:93k6hc$1ab$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Elaine Gallant
This pervert is a net stalker. He followed me here from another newsgroup. I
did a net search on deja news to monitor all of his other online activity.
Here's a list of his other interests:
Alt.sex.bondage
Alt.sex.crossdressing
Alt.sex.pedophilia
Alt.sex.bestiality-barney
Alt.sex.beer-bottle
Alt.sex.colostomy
Alt.sex.boyfeet
and alt.sex.fetish.furries
So look out, Phil, you little creep, everyone is watching YOUR activities
now.
"Phil P." <ph...@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
news:93k6hc$1ab$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Phil P.
>
> This pervert is a net stalker. He followed me here from another newsgroup.
I
> did a net search on deja news to monitor all of his other online activity.
> Here's a list of his other interests:
>
> Alt.sex.bondage
> Alt.sex.crossdressing
> Alt.sex.pedophilia
> Alt.sex.bestiality-barney
> Alt.sex.beer-bottle
> Alt.sex.colostomy
> Alt.sex.boyfeet
> and alt.sex.fetish.furries
>
> So look out, Phil, you little creep, everyone is watching YOUR activities
> now.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I cordially invite anyone to do a Deja search on
me!
http://www.deja.com/dnquery.xp?QRY=phil%40maxshouse.com&ST=MS&svcclass=dncur
rent&DBS=2
I forgot to mention, this psycho is also a pathological liar.
Looks like she has infected this group, too.
Kelly
the most reliable posters in the cat newsgroups.
Kelly
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:4qm76.716$9c.4...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Rechelle Blair
> Phil, you stupid little gnat.
Truth hurt Elaine?
--
Cheers,
Rechelle
Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left.
Rechelle Blair
> This pervert is a net stalker. He followed me here from another newsgroup. I
> did a net search on deja news to monitor all of his other online activity.
> Here's a list of his other interests:
>
> Alt.sex.bondage
> Alt.sex.crossdressing
> Alt.sex.pedophilia
> Alt.sex.bestiality-barney
> Alt.sex.beer-bottle
> Alt.sex.colostomy
> Alt.sex.boyfeet
> and alt.sex.fetish.furries
>
> So look out, Phil, you little creep, everyone is watching YOUR activities
> now.
blah blah blah blah fuckin blah. No one gives a damn about your "findings".
Phil has been a member of all these cat groups for a hell of a lot longer than
you ever will be and is far more respected than you ever would be, even in your
delusional little world. So stuff it up your ass. No one gives a shit.
Elaine Gallant
"Kelly" <kros...@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message
news:93kst8$prl$1...@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca...
> Shut up Elaine, and quit making up blatent lies about Phil.
Why did you think I did the netsearch on him? Phil followed me here and you
know it. Don't waste your breath telling blatent lies.
Elaine Gallant
Only gnats like you do things like that.
"Phil P." <ph...@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
news:93ksg6$qse$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Elaine Gallant
I didn't bring this to your newsgroup. Phil did. I just want to talk about
kitties. Phil is a shill for high vet bills.
"SP" <spam...@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:t5rt949...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <4qm76.716$9c.4...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > This pervert is a net stalker. He followed me here from another
> > newsgroup. I did a net search on deja news to monitor all of his
> > other online activity. Here's a list of his other interests:
> >
> > Alt.sex.bondage Alt.sex.crossdressing Alt.sex.pedophilia
> > Alt.sex.bestiality-barney Alt.sex.beer-bottle Alt.sex.colostomy
> > Alt.sex.boyfeet and alt.sex.fetish.furries
> >
> > So look out, Phil, you little creep, everyone is watching YOUR
> > activities now.
>
> It seems that your research on him and posting it to an unrelated
> newsgroup makes YOU something of a netstalker.
>
> So, do tell...which of those groups did he follow you here from? I'm
> guessing a.s.b-b.
>
> - sp
hbfb <(©¿©)>
--
hunnybunnyfunnybunny says:
High quality daycare isn't expensive, its priceless!
Phil P. <ph...@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
news:93k6hc$1ab$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Kelly
I think you need a psychologicol evaluation.
Phil has been here for years!!!!
Kelly
Debbie Kesling
found no such thing. I did several Dejanews searches, in fact, even
focusing on the adult groups, and saw no reference to Phil in the
groups you cite below.
Then I searched on *your* name....
*s*
Debbie
RG_B...@swbell.net
Tell me, how many years have you been in this group??? Not even one I
bet. Phil, on the other hand, has been here for a couple at least. So
darlin', I think it's you who is following Phil. Now go away, you
pathetic woman.
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Elaine Gallant
Phil is a stalker. He did follow me here. I'm trying to be brave, and put
the best possible face on his hurtful behavior by trying to make light of
it.
The very idea of running searches on people to hunt out something with which
to hurt them is very low and uncalled-for behavior.
This is the second time I've been through this with Phil and am completely
fed up with his abusive behavior. He is now on my killfile. This was not a
decision I came to lightly.
He has a certain amount of influence on the cat loving community, and it
would have been my preference to find my peace with him and co-exists
peacefully. He has made that impossible. He also tries to squelch any view
other than his own. It might work once or twice, but it won't continue to
work forever.
"Debbie Kesling" <deb...@puregenius.com> wrote in message
news:vs6s5t0mm96jl3toq...@4ax.com...
Karen
the entire group. Who cares otherwise.
Karen
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:4qm76.716$9c.4...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Karen
from Phil?
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:uun76.533$dJ6....@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Sherry Riddles
>did a net search on deja news to monitor all of his other online activity.
>Here's a list of his other interests:
>
>
he has to say on the subjects of bondage, and crossdressing, and couldn't care
less. I had a cat come down with Hepatic Lipitosis, and had it not been for
the lengthy e-mails concerning evaluation of the bloodwork results I'd posted,
I'd probably not have driven two hours to change vets. Yoda is alive today
because of those e-mails.
Sherry
Ron Ng
And you Rechelle are following me! Go away from this newsgroup!
Ron Ng Knows!
Elaine Gallant
Phil is just into running up big vet bills. He doesn't give a rat's rear
about how long or hard someone has to work to pay those bills.
I talked to Bob. He seems real nice. He wasn't talking shit about people as
you do.
"Karen" <kchu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:L2q76.551$LB3....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Elaine Gallant
That this man did something for you is not license to do bad things to other
people. He doesn't OWN the internet. Others are also allowed to have
opinions. Other people should be able to use the internet without being
stalked.
Your reasoning is like the Catholic priest who molests altar boys. Sure, he
might have done some good work, but that doesn't excuse his reaming out
little boys.
"Sherry Riddles" <srid...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010111170738...@ng-mj1.aol.com...
Bob Brenchley.
Where is "here" Elaine?
This thread is running in four groups.
--
Bob.
A fight to the death between zombies has a few inherent problems.
Bob Brenchley.
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>I didn't bring this to your newsgroup. Phil did. I just want to talk about
>kitties. Phil is a shill for high vet bills.
>
Your evidence for this claim is?
--
Bob.
Now enjoying the new millennium which started on January 1st 2001.
Bob Brenchley.
wrote:
>"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:uun76.533$dJ6....@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "Kelly" <kros...@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message
>> news:93kst8$prl$1...@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca...
>> > Shut up Elaine, and quit making up blatent lies about Phil.
>>
>> Why did you think I did the netsearch on him? Phil followed me here and
>you
>> know it. Don't waste your breath telling blatent lies.
>>
>>
>Is this Bob in disguise? Mad about the common sense Kitty food responses
>from Phil?
>
>
I never have any problems with Phil's food postings - but I do have
problems with top-posting simpleton trouble-makers like you.
--
Bob.
Why don't all the people with too much time on their hands get
off their moral high horses and start sending me envelopes
stuffed with money?
Bob Brenchley.
>In article <uun76.533$dJ6....@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Kelly" <kros...@uoguelph.ca> wrote in message
>> news:93kst8$prl$1...@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca...
>> > Shut up Elaine, and quit making up blatent lies about Phil.
>>
>> Why did you think I did the netsearch on him? Phil followed me here
>and you
>> know it. Don't waste your breath telling blatent lies.
>>
>
>
>Tell me, how many years have you been in this group???
Which group Rechelle? Don't you pay attention to the cross posting? Or
is that another of those computer things you can't get your mind
around?
>Not even one I
>bet. Phil, on the other hand, has been here for a couple at least. So
>darlin', I think it's you who is following Phil. Now go away, you
>pathetic woman.
>
--
Bob.
The Lawyer's Creed: "A man is innocent until proven broke."
Elaine Gallant
That Rechelle is a skank. I killfiled her with NO regrets. She is nasty with
NOTHING to contribute.
"Ron Ng" <ronn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010111173803...@ng-ck1.aol.com...
Elaine Gallant
*FAAAAAAAAAAAAART* that was your bowel hitting my killfile.
"Bob Brenchley." <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
news:22cs5tkpmrhapgom1...@4ax.com...
Elaine Gallant
If you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't know Phil.
"Bob Brenchley." <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
news:ht5s5toemprq7tpam...@4ax.com...
Kelly
>
> Phil is just into running up big vet bills. He doesn't give a rat's rear
> about how long or hard someone has to work to pay those bills.
>
> I talked to Bob. He seems real nice. He wasn't talking shit about people
as
> you do.
>
>
Elaine,
Phil is not a vet and has no conspiracy to make people go out and pay lots
of money to vets and/or clinics. In case you're unaware, vet care is an
expense that comes along with owning a cat. Caring owners like Phil, myself
and most other people in these cat groups spend the money necessary for
proper care by a professional. If you have something against that, then I
suggest giving your cats (if you even actually have any, I'm not thoroughly
convinced) to someone willing to act responsibly and spend money on their
cat for vaccinations, health problems, and emergency care.
Kelly
Phil P.
>
> If you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't know Phil.
How could anybody know what you're talking about when *you* don't know what
you're talking about?
You have a different policy than me. I try to save the cat. You'd rather
kill the cat than spend money to treat to it -- under the guise of not
wanting the cat to suffer by putting the animal through "torturous"
treatment.
You don't "know" me. You began posting in rec.pets.cats.health+behav about
a week ago and managed to incur the contempt of nearly every poster to the
group - and just about every other group you've infected.
Before, I felt sorry for you because I knew you had serious psychological
problems. But I don't feel sorry for you any more because you're just a
malicious, vindictive liar and a psychopath.
Michelle, LVT
posted to even ONE of the groups listed below. You're a blatant liar
Elaine! As for him following you here.... another blatant lie! He's
been posting here, a heck of a lot longer than you, as have I for that
matter.
Your uneducated and dangerous advice is one thing to contend with, and
thankfully I'm in a profession where I can hopefully undo any harm
that you may distribute. I get to actually see, speak to, and
hopefully INFORM clients about the best care/nutrition/whatever for
their pets, but honestly, your last ditch effort to malign Phil is
laughable at best. At least he has the concern to research what he
believes to be in the best interest of pets, and to back up his
recommendations with documented research. You, on the other hand,
consistently attempt to sway people to your uninformed and potentially
dangerous advice based on... what? your laziness! Yes, laziness....
it's easy to just "throw" your cats some raw meat, so you don't do the
research which would show what a "balanced" diet, even if raw or
homecooked, would be.
Do some research and educate yourself before trying to dole out
advice. You might be surprised at the cordial response you get.
Michelle R. Lewis, LVT
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:53:04 GMT, "Elaine Gallant"
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>This pervert is a net stalker. He followed me here from another newsgroup. I
>did a net search on deja news to monitor all of his other online activity.
>Here's a list of his other interests:
>
>> Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:_4d76.10129$fj6.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >
>> > The grain in dry food gives your cat FUS. Feed her raw chicken including
>> > bones and she will be healed.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Michelle R. Lewis, LVT
To email me just remove the "kitty" AND "puppy" from my head.
Phil P.
>
> Phil is just into running up big vet bills.
I'm into providing the best possible care for my cats, unlike you, who would
rather kill them than spend the money to treat the cat.
He doesn't give a rat's rear
> about how long or hard someone has to work to pay those bills.
Actually, my primary concern is the cat's health. If paying vet bills to
save your cat's life makes you so sick, buy pet insurance - you're even too
cheap to buy pet insurance for ~$100 a year which may save your cat's life.
You mean to say in 3386 posts to misc.consumers.frugal-living you couldn't
find a bargain on vet care? You're not even a good selfish, cold-blooded,
cheapskate.
Phil P.
Bob Brenchley. <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
news:ht5s5toemprq7tpam...@4ax.com...
> <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >I didn't bring this to your newsgroup. Phil did. I just want to talk
about
> >kitties. Phil is a shill for high vet bills.
> >
> Your evidence for this claim is?
Don't hold your breath waiting for her to produce any.
Karen
> From: Bob Brenchley. <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net>
> Organization: MCS(UK) Ltd
> Newsgroups: alt.animals.felines,alt.cats,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:13:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: WARNING
Now see Bob, it is posts like these that cause people to see you as a rude
troll. This was not directed at you... uh er..... unless this pathetic woman
is another facet of Bob. Otherwise, there was really no reason to post that
to Rechelle. Slipping up a little there.
Karen
Karen
with you <great sarcasm>.
Karen
> From: "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net>
> Organization: AT&T Worldnet
> Newsgroups: alt.animals.felines,alt.cats,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
Elaine Gallant
"Michelle, LVT" <mrl11...@bestKITTYweb.net> wrote in message
news:3a5e4cd5...@nntp.bestweb.net...
> Blatant liar!
It's a taste of his own medicine. Gee...ya didn't like it. How funny. I
didn't much like it either. So there ya go.
SkunkyCat
"Phil is into running up vet bills" - how so?
"He doesn't care about how hard one must work to pay bills? - really?
I'd like to hear what makes you feel this way. You may have a point.
As far as I know, Phil makes very informed and accurate suggestions
to the various problems our cats come down with. Is there anything
wrong with that?
Goodday,
Rod
http://home.att.net/~nethibeault/cats.htm
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net>
Ron Ng
She doesn't know!
>Don't you pay attention to the cross posting?
She doesn't even know what cross-posting is!
>Or
>is that another of those computer things you can't get your mind
>around?
It's not just computer things she can't get that itty brain around!
Hopefully that surgery she just had will keep her from ever breeding.
Ron Ng Knows!
Ron Ng
>to Rechelle.
Sure there was. She is a LIAR.
Ron Ng Knows!
SkunkyCat
"SkunkyCat" <nethi...@worldnet.att.net.nospam
> Think about what you are saying.
>
> "Phil is into running up vet bills" - how so?
>
> "He doesn't care about how hard one must work to pay bills? - really?
>
> I'd like to hear what makes you feel this way. You may have a point.
>
On second thought, I think I'll stay out of this one. I did not realize
the history behind these posts.
Rod
Phil P.
>
> "Michelle, LVT" <mrl11...@bestKITTYweb.net> wrote in message
> news:3a5e4cd5...@nntp.bestweb.net...
> > Blatant liar!
>
> It's a taste of his own medicine.
No, you're mistaken. My "medicine" was the truth, yours were pathological
lies in which you have been caught red-handed.
> Gee...ya didn't like it. How funny. I
Actually, I found watching you make a fool of yourself and proving yourself
to be liar, *very* funny. I liked it very much - the best laugh I had all
day. What I don't like is your dangerous advice (e.g., gouging plaque out
from below an unanesthetized cat's gumline with a nail to save a few bucks).
> didn't much like it either. So there ya go.
...and to you, that justifies pathological lies?
Rechelle Blair
> Phil is just into running up big vet bills. He doesn't give a rat's rear
> about how long or hard someone has to work to pay those bills.
>
> I talked to Bob. He seems real nice. He wasn't talking shit about people as
> you do.
How is Phil an advocator for high vet bills??? Seems to me, he's the one that
provided me with information on pet insurance for them, so that vet bills don't
have to be so high. You are truly an idiot Elaine. What on earth would Phil
have to gain by people paying high vet bills? From where I sit, absolutely
nothing. If you're going to make accusations such as that, you better be
prepared to stand behind it and provide solid *facts* otherwise, darlin, you are
liable for this.
--
Cheers,
Rechelle
Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left.
LaDybluE
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:jYp76.59$pc7....@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
:
: Phil is a stalker. He did follow me here. I'm trying to be brave, and put
: the best possible face on his hurtful behavior by trying to make light of
: it.
:
: The very idea of running searches on people to hunt out something with which
: to hurt them is very low and uncalled-for behavior.
:
: This is the second time I've been through this with Phil and am completely
: fed up with his abusive behavior. He is now on my killfile. This was not a
: decision I came to lightly.
:
: He has a certain amount of influence on the cat loving community, and it
: would have been my preference to find my peace with him and co-exists
: peacefully. He has made that impossible. He also tries to squelch any view
: other than his own. It might work once or twice, but it won't continue to
: work forever.
:
: "Debbie Kesling" <deb...@puregenius.com> wrote in message
: news:vs6s5t0mm96jl3toq...@4ax.com...
: > There seems to be some mistake. I. too, did a Dejanews search and
: > found no such thing. I did several Dejanews searches, in fact, even
: > focusing on the adult groups, and saw no reference to Phil in the
: > groups you cite below.
: >
: > Then I searched on *your* name....
: >
: > *s*
: >
: > Debbie
elaine
wrote:
> I suggest talking to
>your vet about possibly using a vet prescription food (c/d-s or c/d-o
>depending on the type of crystal present that is causing her irritation).
>Personally, I have a female that had FUS problems... she has been on Science
>Diet Light ever since the episode and hasn't gotten another since (Science
>Diet is made by the company that makes the vet prescription foods).
There are also equivalent prescription diets made by other companies,
such as Eukanuba low pH/s, Walthams pH control s/o, a Medi-cal version
(can't recall the name) etc. If the original poster is not a fan of
the Science Diet brand, and if struvite crystals are part of the
problem, then there are lots of veterinary diet alternatives.
E
elaine
wrote:
>If you're referring to crystalluria (crystals in the urine) or urolithiasis
>(uroliths, plugs) that causes partial or complete urethral obstruction, a
>prescription diet may be needed to disolve the crystals (if they have been
>analyzed as struvite. Calcium oxalate crystals and uroliths cannot be
>medically dissolved). Speak to your vet *first* to make sure your cat does
>not require a special prescription diet.
>
>Having said that, feeding high-quality canned diets, such as Nutro,
>generally ameliorate clinical signs of, if not actually prevent, certain
>lower urinary tract diseases in cats. Cats fed canned diets have nearly
>*twice* the water turnover than cats fed dry diets.
>
>Another consideration in the pathogenesis of "FUS" is urine pH.
>Constituents of foodstuffs exert major effects on urine pH.
Also isn't low magnesium content of food a consideration?
E
elaine
might have to change my name, LOL
Elaine
(a different one!!!!:)
Phil P.
elaine <eg...@telusplanetspamless.net> wrote in message
news:3a5ea936...@news.telusplanet.net...
Yes, but not in the way pet food advertisements say it is. The tendency of
struvite to form is a function of urine pH - not the magnesium content of
the diet. The magnesium content of the diet only becomes important when
urine pH is greater than 6.1 - 6.2. The quantity of magnesium required to
saturate urine with struvite at alkaline pH is very small. As pH decreases
below 6.4, the amount of magnesium required to saturate the urine with
struvite increases exponentially. At urine pH values less than 6.1,
struvite does not form regardless of the magnesium concentration of the
diet.
Reduced magnesium and acidified urine may reduce the risk of struvite, but
it also increases the risk of calcium oxalate -- which is worse than
struvite. Struvite can be medically dissolved, calcium oxalate cannot be
dissolved.
I don't know if that answers your question, I assumed you're concerned about
magnesium in reference to struvite formation.
Phil
>
> E
Susan & Julian Pereira
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> My female 10 year old tabby has had FUS about 3 times now. She is still on
> meds and not getting over it. I usually give her Science Diet or Nutro Max
> but later switch back to the cheaper cat food and she gets it again. I am
> going to keep her on the expensive stuff. Is the Nutro Max lite good for
> FUS? I am not too into Science Diet.
I work for a vet clinic and we reccomend Medi-Cal Preventive or Hills C/D
diet (they can only
be bought in vet clinics). They are made specifically for (or to prevent)
cats with FUS.
Susan
Phil P.
> "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:jYp76.59$pc7....@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> :Phil is a stalker. He did follow me here. I'm trying to be brave, and put
> the best possible face on his hurtful behavior by trying to make light of
> it.
>
> :The very idea of running searches on people to hunt out something with
which
> to hurt them is very low and uncalled-for behavior.
It seems like people run searches on you every where you go!
>
> This is the second time I've been through this with Phil and am
completely
> fed up with his abusive behavior. He is now on my killfile. This was not
a
> decision I came to lightly.
>
> He has a certain amount of influence on the cat loving community, and it
> would have been my preference to find my peace with him and co-exists
> peacefully. He has made that impossible. He also tries to squelch any
view
> other than his own. It might work once or twice, but it won't continue to
> work forever.
The poor victim....... sniff, sniff.... Comming from the *worst* (no word
can describe this monster).....
Do you realize that everyone in the *world* who reads this and many other
newsgroups, if not the entire Usenet audience *know*, with absolute
certainty, you are lying and a psychopath?
Ok, you psychopath.... and I mean that *literally*... lets see what Elaine
"Gallant" a/k/a Elaine Gallegos..... *really* is... Shall we? In my entire
cat-loving life I have never seen a subhuman growth like you -- and that
includes the Khmer Rouge...
(Some post may not contain >> because they are orininal posts)
>> Forum: rec.pets.dogs.health
>> Thread: my dog critically ill - need advice
>> Message 65 of 101
Subject:
Re: my dog critically ill - need advice
Date:
03/14/2000
Author:
Dianne Schoenberg <dia...@user2.teleport.com>
Terri <terri_...@hp.boi.com> wrote:
>That was a 9_ week old puppy she recommended shooting way back
>a couple of years ago, before she changed her last name from Gallegos
>to Gallant.
>The issue came up again last year, she denied it, and someone went
>to Deja News, pulled it up and pasted, thus proving she did indeed
>say it.
Ah, yes... you are referring to this post:
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=524204707
And some other posts where she has recommended euthanizing
puppies for behavioral reasons:
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=471756604
(Elaine says that a "one-way trip to the vet" is an excellent suggestion to
someone whose 7-month-old puppy was
jumping up
and snapping at owner who was trying to grab him)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=469590076
(Elaine suggests euthanasia for a 14-month-old puppy who bit
someone who was hitting him)
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=368927741
(Recommends euthanizing 8-month-old rescued pup)
And the following post pertained to a 7-year-old recently rescued dog, but
what Elaine said in it is still instructive about
her
attitudes about training and behavior:
http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=468080825
What she had to say in that one, and I quote:
"It's a bad scene to have your own dog growl at you. Personally, I would
not take it well. It would happen in my house
exactly ONE time. I'd get completely mideval on that hound. If he
remained unconvinced about who was running the show, his next
appearance would be with an apple in his mouth, on
my BBQ.
No joke."
JFWIW,
Dianne
>> Forum: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
>> Thread: About Elaine Gallant
>> Message 2 of 56
Subject:
About Elaine Gallant
Date:
12/03/2000
Author:
Bird Lady <avian...@yahoo.com>
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I came to this group to get some pointers on my new puppy, and low and
behold look who's here-
The curlish Elaine Gallegos!
She has done her best to disrupt 3 other groups that I know of by posting
deliberately offensive things meant to enrage
the majority of the newsgroup members.
So far, I've known her to be mind-bogglingly racist, sexist (one of those
women-hatin' women), and unyeilding. About a
year ago, she was unintentionally hilarious when recounting her "I've built
a bomb shelter" Y2K preparations, and with her
screeking at anyone who wasn't ready for the apocalyse.
You think her veiws on dogs are overly controlling and violent, you should
read her opinions on child-rearing. She should
start her own group for Bondage and your Child.
So folks, just try to ignore her, and certainly don't take her advise. I'm
not sure she really has dogs, or a bomb shelter, or a
rich ethnic husband who suffers because of affirmative action. I think she
just bounces from group to group getting
attention by angering everyone around her.
Oh, and her real name is Gallegos. But don't you think Gallant sounds so
much whiter?
bel
> Forum: misc.rural
>> Thread: Elaine G
>> Message 6 of 56
Subject:
Elaine G
Date:
11/29/2000
Author:
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I remember thinking a few years ago: what are the chances that there would
be two similar whackos with the same first
name and with last names beginning with the same letter - and both posting
to the same group. And one of them seemed
to drop off the face of the earth (well, usenet.....).
Thanks, Terri, for showing the connection - "Gallant" being the less
foriegn-sounding version of "Gallegos." I guess that
boosts that 14,000 (and change) count a lot higher.
> Forum: misc.consumers.frugal-living
>> Thread: Just say no to Elaine Gallant?
>> Message 47 of 101
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Date:
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Author:
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I seldom get involved in anything even remotely controversial but I can no
longer stomach Mrs Gallant or Gallegos'
remarks in the past couple of days I have read her remarks about chopping
off the legs of innocent babies, I have heard
her refer to the disgusting practice of
infanticide as snuffing out. I have heard her imply there is something
shameful about being hispanic and personally I can't
take it anymore. I think Adolf Gallant is a perfect penname for her. This
whole thing literally has me queasy. My Husband
is Jewish with a german descent he had no grandparent, aunts uncles,
cousins, on either side that is right the twisted
thinking of people like Mrs Gallegos was the cause of this. My husband was
fortunate enough to be born in this country
only a few years after WWII if he had been born 15 years earlier he would
have been murdered. I have enjoyed this
group over the several months I have been posting and reading what others
have posted I have learned more about
electricity than I thought was possible. Thank you to those who have
posted useful information but it is difficult for me to
continue to frequent this group due to Mrs Gallant sickening remarks. Even
if I killfile her post I still must be subjected to
her hatemail through other people responding. I can't even be sure when
her disgusting banter will turn up. I will
however try to hang on a little while longer and hope this whole thing
passes.
> Forum: misc.consumers.frugal-living
>> Thread: Where Are You Elaine (Re: Food Stamps?
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Author:
Anonymous <nob...@neuropa.net>
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>>Doug, Elaine Gallegos (her real name, Gallant is to hide her Hispanic
>>roots)
>
> I don't have hispanic roots. My husband has a hispanic grandparent.
>
>
Oh yes you do! You went into great detail on this ng when you changed your
name. IIRC you mentioned you even looked
Hispanic. I'm sure all this could easily be found in deja.
At any rate, it is your attitude that sucks Elaine. You are derrogatory to
anyone who is not "rich and white". You treat
people as trash when in fact your behavior is lower than trash. I for one
don't believe for a minute that you farm. No one
who farms has as much free time to post as you do and if they do they are
certainly neglecting their farm. You obviously
neglect your household duties. You openly admit that your couch is filthy
and yet seem proud of it. Perhaps you should
spend less time online and more time fulfilling your responsibilities.
And, what exactly makes you any different than a welfare recipient? After
all, the welfare recipient receives funds to live
on from the state. So in your view they are living off the state.
However, the irony of your position is that you are living
off little pink henpecked Stevie. It is the same thing; you are not
actually working, are you. And don't hand me the excuse
that housework is work since you openly admit to your slovenly practices.
In fact what I think is that you and little Stevie
do receive welfare benefits instead of working. That would explain why you
have so much free time on your hands to
spew such hatred.
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We've all heard the phrase "crawl back under your rock", but you are the
literal example for who that phrase was created.
I will post this every time you show your ugly face.
Bob Brenchley.
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>If you don't know what I'm talking about, you don't know Phil.
>
Having both cross swords with Phil, and supported him, I think I do
know Phil.
Do you?
--
Bob.
Why do we wash bath towels? Aren't we clean when we use them?
Bob Brenchley.
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Phil is just into running up big vet bills. He doesn't give a rat's rear
>about how long or hard someone has to work to pay those bills.
>
>I talked to Bob. He seems real nice. He wasn't talking shit about people as
>you do.
You have???
I am :)
I don't - but I'm sad to say you do.
--
Bob.
Illiterate ? . . . write for free help.
Bob Brenchley.
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>That Rechelle is a skank. I killfiled her with NO regrets. She is nasty with
>NOTHING to contribute.
>
>"Ron Ng" <ronn...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20010111173803...@ng-ck1.aol.com...
>> >I think it's you who is following Phil.
>>
>> And you Rechelle are following me! Go away from this newsgroup!
>>
>>
>> Ron Ng Knows!
>
I don't think she is nasty, just very sad.
The problem is that I can't add her to my killfile because she is one
of these irritating little people who just have to post to a thread -
even if it means making up stories so she has something to say.
Just my 2 pennyworth.
--
Bob.
Do files get embarrassed when they get unzipped?
IMcEwen
recommended to me by my dog breeder as the best commercial food available
anywhere. This is a human grade ingredient kibble which is made up fresh
every few weeks. It is delivered right to my door. If you order two
bags, it is shipped free. The ingredients list impressed me, and they
specifically target avoidance of FUS in their formula. They also give two
other specific pieces of advice:
1) Do also feed your cat some raw food every day, including raw liver
several times a week.
2) Do not free feed your cat (leaving the bowl down all day). Give your
pet 15- 20 minutes to eat and then remove the bowl. Establish a pattern of
feeding at particular times and the cat will get used to it.
Hope this helps
Liz
Helen Miles
Helen M
Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:4qm76.716$9c.4...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
Ron Ng
She IS nasty. She had sexual relations with her father and her brothers.
Ron Ng Knows!
Seanette Blaylock
FUS":
>Do not listen to anyone telling you to feed your cat raw meats. It takes a
>lot of time and energy to feed balanced raw diets. If you use a good
>quality canned food, the episodes should get better. I suggest talking to
>your vet about possibly using a vet prescription food (c/d-s or c/d-o
>depending on the type of crystal present that is causing her irritation).
>Personally, I have a female that had FUS problems... she has been on Science
>Diet Light ever since the episode and hasn't gotten another since (Science
>Diet is made by the company that makes the vet prescription foods).
My cat [who has a history of both bladder stones and UTI] does fine on
Science Diet Light [dry, he won't touch canned].
--
Seanette Blaylock [make obvious address correction to e-mail]
"Either you're being sarcastic, or your post leaked over to me from a
parallel universe, or one or both of us is insane and/or stupid and/or
not paying attention and/or lying." Ben, ATSR
Seanette Blaylock
"Re: catfood for FUS":
>I work for a vet clinic and we reccomend Medi-Cal Preventive or Hills C/D
>diet (they can only
I think the Hills was what our vet tried to give Felix right after we
got him home from his round with FUS [he wound up hospitalized for a
couple of days], and he wouldn't eat it. The vet told us that we could
basically feed him anything he'd actually eat, as long as ash,
magnesium, and such were below certain levels.
Elaine Gallant
"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote in
message news:u8qv5totk1kh95f4j...@4ax.com...
> Kelly had some very interesting things to say about "Re: catfood for
> FUS":
>
> >Do not listen to anyone telling you to feed your cat raw meats. It takes
a
> >lot of time and energy to feed balanced raw diets.
How could she possibly know? She obviously doesn't feed a raw diet. How
awful to forbid an animal you're supposed to love from having any raw food
at all.
What if your parents said you could only eat cooked food for the rest of
your life?
newsgroup
Rechelle Blair
Humans and cats are 2 different things and you know it. We can eat a variety of
foods and digest most, if not all, of them. Cats can't do that and with a raw
food diet it requires a lot of time, patience, money and knowledge. I certainly
would *NOT* follow any of your advice, since you have proven to be
intellectually challenged. You have also proven to be a liar when you posted
those other ngs that Phil "goes" to. You have lost all credibility in these
groups.
Morag
you and Elaine don't exactly see eye to eye? :)
Phil P. <ph...@maxshouse.com> wrote in message
news:93ml93$pni$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
Rechelle Blair
> You scare me. Seriously... Go call someone for some help, ok?
Sorry to piggy back, this didn't show on deja or my newsserver. :-(
> "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:jYp76.59$pc7....@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> :
> : Phil is a stalker. He did follow me here. I'm trying to be brave, and put
> : the best possible face on his hurtful behavior by trying to make light of
> : it.
OMG you don't really believe that *hit do you? Phil has been here a hell of a lot
longer than you have and there is *no* way he "stalked" you here!!! You are just
proving to be a huge friggin liar! Just like your lies about the other newsgroups
he goes to.
> : The very idea of running searches on people to hunt out something with which
> : to hurt them is very low and uncalled-for behavior.
No it's not. It's called learning what other people are interested in & is very
simple & not bad ethics by any means. YOU are the one that started that one,
little girl, by posting lies about what groups Phil goes to.
> : This is the second time I've been through this with Phil and am completely
> : fed up with his abusive behavior. He is now on my killfile. This was not a
> : decision I came to lightly.
Bull shit. You could never killfile anyone, you enjoy the attention too much.
> : He has a certain amount of influence on the cat loving community, and it
> : would have been my preference to find my peace with him and co-exists
> : peacefully. He has made that impossible. He also tries to squelch any view
> : other than his own. It might work once or twice, but it won't continue to
> : work forever.
<sigh> You are the one that started the war with him & the best thing you can do
is leave the groups. You are dangerous, with your "knowledge" on cat food. You
think that a raw food diet only requires throwing the cat some raw meat. They
don't get the nutrition they need from that, you have to actually spend a lot of
time & money on that. It's not something that most people can do, hence the dry
food/soft food. And yes, I realize that dry may not be the best for cats. Now,
either apologize to Phil & the rest of the groups or quit yer bitchin.
Rechelle Blair
> From your response, can I take it that
> you and Elaine don't exactly see eye to eye? :)
Elaine is a lying, manipulative, heartless beast of a woman. She is a danger to
these groups as she seems to think that a raw food diet is simply tossing your
cat (or dog) some raw meat & that's it. Doesn't seem to understand the concept
of work behind it.
Everything Phil has posted about her is true. Everything she has posted about
Phil is one giant lie after another.
Phil P.
Morag <morag...@pixie.co.za> wrote in message
news:3a600...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> From your response, can I take it that
> you and Elaine don't exactly see eye to eye? :)
You sure can.
Morag
>
> Morag <morag...@pixie.co.za> wrote in message
> news:3a600...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> > From your response, can I take it that
> > you and Elaine don't exactly see eye to eye? :)
>
> You sure can.
Not that it's obvious or anything :)
>
>
Morag
Rechelle Blair <RG_B...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:3A6009FF...@swbell.net...
> Morag wrote:
>
> > From your response, can I take it that
> > you and Elaine don't exactly see eye to eye? :)
>
> Elaine is a lying, manipulative, heartless beast of a woman. She is a
danger to
> these groups as she seems to think that a raw food diet is simply tossing
your
> cat (or dog) some raw meat & that's it. Doesn't seem to understand the
concept
> of work behind it.
I agree to a point and feel very sorry for any newbie who doesn't have
experience with animals insofar as they could very easily believe
information which is detrimental.
Whilst I may personally disagree with Elaine's chosen diet, I'm sure that
there are also a lot of people who would disagree with the way I feed my
animals (and if anyone interjects here, I'll wallop them) .... but the fact
remains that everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's up to the
recipient to make their own decision.
I think the thing I have a problem with is the name calling. You can love or
hate someone and they may talk sense or garbage .... but calling them names
doesn't solve anything and for someone who is inexperienced and genuinely in
need of help, it's very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.....
and if they see so much animosity, they may simply give up and never give
themselves the opportunity to learn more, which would be unfortunate
because, at the end of the day, so many people out there do have an awful
lot to offer and one can learn an incredible amount but, when faced with
aggression and destructive criticism, it must be terribly easy to simply say
"Hey, this ain't a nice place, let me go elsewhere" iykwim?
.
>
> Everything Phil has posted about her is true. Everything she has posted
about
> Phil is one giant lie after another.
I wouldn't like to comment either way because I've never met either of
them.... but I would like Phil to give me some pointers regarding a well
balanced diet for my menagerie, something that's proving difficult when the
ages range from 6 months to 20 years and the only real thing I can easily
control is separating cats from dogs and some dogs from other dogs.....
(Excuse me Phil, but before you start, no, they won't eat a totally wet food
diet and seem to love this terribly expensive Royal Canin stuff alongside
the other bits and bobs :) ) ... it's not that I reckon my animals are
unhealthy or anything, I'd just like to ensure that they get well past their
sell by date.
Morag
Veronia
You need to feed your cat vegetables,milk,or boiled biliary.
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Karen
> From: "Morag" <morag...@pixie.co.za>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:38:23 +0200
> Subject: Re: WAR
>
>
> Rechelle Blair <RG_B...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3A6009FF...@swbell.net...
>> Morag wrote:
>>
>>> From your response, can I take it that
>>> you and Elaine don't exactly see eye to eye? :)
>>
>> Elaine is a lying, manipulative, heartless beast of a woman. She is a
> danger to
>> these groups as she seems to think that a raw food diet is simply tossing
> your
>> cat (or dog) some raw meat & that's it. Doesn't seem to understand the
> concept
>> of work behind it.
>
> I agree to a point and feel very sorry for any newbie who doesn't have
> experience with animals insofar as they could very easily believe
> information which is detrimental.
>
> Whilst I may personally disagree with Elaine's chosen diet, I'm sure that
> there are also a lot of people who would disagree with the way I feed my
> animals (and if anyone interjects here, I'll wallop them) .... but the fact
> remains that everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's up to the
> recipient to make their own decision.
Most of us agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion. It is an entirely
different thing to totally lie and try to blacken a persons reputation as
Elaine has tried (unsuccessfully) to do with Phil. Perhaps you missed her
libelous posts.
Karen
Phil P.
Veronia <veronik...@mail.ee> wrote in message
news:3a60...@news.infonet.ee...
>
> You need to feed your cat vegetables,milk,or boiled biliary.
Who gave you that bogus advice? No, you need to feed a cat protein and fat.
Cats are carnivores, not herivores or omnivores. The feline liver does not
have active glucokinase - the rate of glucose metabolism in the liver of the
cat cannot increase in response to high levels of soluble carbohydrate in
the diet to the same degree as the rate in the liver of a species possessing
both enzymes. Cats convert protein and fat into glucose to maintain blood
glucose levels and therefore have no need for vegetables or carbohydrates.
Excess carbohydrate is stored in the body as glycogen and fat. The main
side effect of excess carbohydrate consumption is obesity which leads to an
array of maladies.
Milk fed occasionally and in small quantities is fine. However, many cats
are intolerant to lactose and lactose intolerance increases with age.
http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
Phil.
Phil P.
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:52:02 -0500, "Kelly" <kros...@uoguelph.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I suggest talking to
> >your vet about possibly using a vet prescription food (c/d-s or c/d-o
> >depending on the type of crystal present that is causing her irritation).
> >Personally, I have a female that had FUS problems... she has been on
Science
> >Diet Light ever since the episode and hasn't gotten another since
(Science
> >Diet is made by the company that makes the vet prescription foods).
>
> such as Eukanuba low pH/s, Walthams pH control s/o, a Medi-cal version
> (can't recall the name) etc.
If the original poster is not a fan of
> the Science Diet brand, and if struvite crystals are part of the
> problem, then there are lots of veterinary diet alternatives.
All the above are good perscription diets. However, Hill's has effectively
"took over" the prescription diet market - not necessarily by the virtue of
quality - incentives (e.g., freebies, discounts, overwhelming literature,
etc.) "may" have played a roll... making other prescription diets largely
unavailable at most veterinary practices.
If the problem is struvite, once dissolved by a prescription diet, *any*
diet that does not alkalize the urine should help prevent recurrence. Cats
*naturally* produce an acidic urine when fed a proper meat-based, protein-
fat-rich and carbohydrate-poor diet - IOW, like their natural diet. Salts
of dietary organic acids, which come primarily from plant material, have an
alkalinizing effect and thus may promote struvite (cats don't naturally eat
plants and vegtables other than the occasional nibble on grass).
Chronically feeding acidified, reduced magnesium, maintenance diets can have
serious consequences. Chronic acidification and reduced magnesium can lead
to metabolic acidosis, demineralization of bone, calcium oxalate formation,
hypokalemia, and renal dysfunction (chronic renal failure).
Feeding patterns can also affect urine pH. Feeding releases bicarbonate
into the extracellular fluid as hydrogen ions are secreted into the lumen of
the stomach. This is called a "postprandial (after eating) alkaline tide"
and causes transient alkalinization of the urine. An "ad libitum" feeding
pattern (free-feeding) keeps the urine alkaline all day and may promote
struvite crystal formation. In nature, cats generally consume 8 to 10 small
meals during a 24-hour period, however, those meals are meat-based protein
and fat with very little plant material (only what's found in the digestive
system of the prey). If this were not true, the male segment of the feral
cat population would be rapidly depleted as a result of acute renal failure
and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder caused by struvite obstruction
of the urethra!
In conclusion (finally), cats fed a meat-based, protein- fat-rich,
carbohydrate-poor diet with a moisture content of ~75% are at a
significantly reduced risk of "FUS", crystalluria, urethral obstruction, and
cystitis.
See that, Elaine (the good one)! I didn't mention Nutro once! ;)
http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm
Phil.
"I have found my love of cats most helpful
in understanding women'.
--John Simon
Feline Healthcare: http://maxshouse.com
>
> E
Ron Ng
>longer than you have and there is *no* way he "stalked" you here!!!
You stalked ME here and YOU lie about it Rechelle.
> You could never killfile anyone
You're talking about yourself again Rechelle. You claim to have killfilled me
dozens of times but you keep responding to my posts which proves that you are
STALKING me!
Ron Ng Knows!
Surfer!
<IMc...@email.msn.com> writes
>I feed my cat PHD (Perfect Health Diet), the dog version of which was
>recommended to me by my dog breeder as the best commercial food available
>anywhere. This is a human grade ingredient kibble which is made up fresh
>every few weeks. It is delivered right to my door. If you order two
>bags, it is shipped free. The ingredients list impressed me, and they
>specifically target avoidance of FUS in their formula. They also give two
>other specific pieces of advice:
>
>1) Do also feed your cat some raw food every day, including raw liver
>several times a week.
Be very careful how much liver you feed - in a cat's natural diet
(rodents mostly) it forms a very small part. One helping of raw liver
could easily be equivalent to several days worth on a natural diet.
Same with raw fish - most cats in the wild never catch any. If you want
to feed your cats raw food I suspect that dead mice & chicks would be
the best as they are most like a wild diet. Certainly large lumps of
lean meat aren't.
>
>2) Do not free feed your cat (leaving the bowl down all day). Give your
>pet 15- 20 minutes to eat and then remove the bowl. Establish a pattern of
>feeding at particular times and the cat will get used to it.
Don't see the point in this myself. Mine get a small amount of tinned
which they clamour for, and have dried down to snack on as they wish.
<snip>
--
Surfer! Send email to: surfer at
nevis-view dot
demon dot co dot uk
"I can resist anything but temptation" - Oscar Wilde ;-)
Elaine Gallant
That rechelle got on my killfile so fast it burned my fingers.
"Morag" <morag...@pixie.co.za> wrote in message
news:3a604...@news1.mweb.co.za...
Elaine Gallant
How 'bout some bird seed? You mentioned veggies and boiled...what? biliary?
"Veronia" <veronik...@mail.ee> wrote in message
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>
RG_B...@swbell.net
"IMcEwen" <IMc...@email.msn.com> wrote:
<snipped>
> 2) Do not free feed your cat (leaving the bowl down all day).
Give your
> pet 15- 20 minutes to eat and then remove the bowl. Establish a
pattern of
> feeding at particular times and the cat will get used to it.
Uhh, why not? I give my cats tinned food morning & evening and leave
dry down for them all day & all night. It gets dumped and replaced
every 36 hours or so and they haven't suffered any ill side effects,
none of them are even slightly obese. That part of your advice makes no
sense to me.
Cheers,
Rechelle
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Elaine Gallant
"Surfer!" <nevis...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:VikQSLAZ...@nevis-view.demon.co.uk...
> In article <uqwrBmPfAHA.277@cpmsnbbsa07>, IMcEwen
> <IMc...@email.msn.com> writes
> >I feed my cat PHD (Perfect Health Diet), the dog version of which was
> >recommended to me by my dog breeder as the best commercial food available
> >anywhere. This is a human grade ingredient kibble which is made up
fresh
> >every few weeks. It is delivered right to my door. If you order two
> >bags, it is shipped free. The ingredients list impressed me, and they
> >specifically target avoidance of FUS in their formula. They also give
two
> >other specific pieces of advice:
> >
> >1) Do also feed your cat some raw food every day, including raw liver
> >several times a week.
>
> Be very careful how much liver you feed - in a cat's natural diet
> (rodents mostly) it forms a very small part. One helping of raw liver
> could easily be equivalent to several days worth on a natural diet.
The thing with a raw diet is the animal doesn't know from one day to the
next what it's going to eat. Yes. it might be several rodents. It might
just as easily be part of a large animal brought down by something else,
such as a wolf or cougar.
Like a pair of smaller cats could grab a big chunk of liver, and that's all
they get for a couple of days.
> Same with raw fish - most cats in the wild never catch any.
But bears do. And bears throw fish onto river banks where many times it's
snatched by smaller predators.
Also, at the end of salmon runs, all the adult salmon die. That's a great
food source for all sorts of carnivores.
Elaine Gallant
> I know better than to give my cat raw meat. Thanks though. :)
Sorry, I do not agree and have a couple million years of cat evolution to
back up my view.
veruqua
searches and found zero evidence that Phil has posted in any of the alt.
newsgroups you listed. I checked both recent and archived postings.
Even if he had posted in any of these groups, I wouldn't care - it's not
my business where he posts.
Don't bother to reply, I've already killfiled you.
V.
In article <KEO76.2416$lz.5...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "Helen
newsgroup
Phil P.
> what?? and what is biliary?
I don't think you really want know.... its breakdown products that are
excreted in the bile - and then delivered to the duodenum and removed in the
feces. Its the gooey liquid you see cats vomit up sometimes.
Gotta be a troll.... or s/he meant "Bil-lary" as in our fearless leader.
Bob Brenchley.
>Elaine, you are posting mind-boggling whoppers. I did several deja.com
>searches and found zero evidence that Phil has posted in any of the alt.
>newsgroups you listed. I checked both recent and archived postings.
>
>Even if he had posted in any of these groups, I wouldn't care - it's not
>my business where he posts.
>
>Don't bother to reply, I've already killfiled you.
>
>V.
To me it would not matter if he had posted, the most likely reason for
anyone to end up with postings to those groups is that something was
wildly cross-posted.
Some trolls think it fun to cross post to 10 groups and hide one of
those in the line. Unless you are using a proper newsreader (and
paying attention) it is east to miss.
--
Bob.
If it ain't broken... fix it 'til it is.
Cathy Friedmann
All I can think of would be the contents of a biliary duct - yechhh!
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("RenИ & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
bonbon
wrote:
<snip>
>I think you need a psychologicol evaluation.
>Phil has been here for years!!!!
>
>Kelly
I think she needs a lobotomy.
-bonbon
bonbon
<B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:05:01 GMT, "Elaine Gallant"
><elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I didn't bring this to your newsgroup. Phil did. I just want to talk about
>>kitties. Phil is a shill for high vet bills.
>>
>Your evidence for this claim is?
What's this???? Bob, are you actually agreeing with us alt.catters on
something? Is that really you defending someone other than Frank or
Hot Jen? Jesus!!!!!! I need to take a minute to let this absorb.
Now.....(and I'm being genuine - you can tell by the way I capitalized
your name, and didn't add the extra 'o') are you feeling ok?
-bonbon
Bob Brenchley.
It is far from the first time I've supported Phil. I don't agree with
him on everything, but on feeding we agree almost 100%
--
Bob.
Now enjoying the new millennium which started on January 1st 2001.
Karen
> From: bonbon <n...@taking.replies>
> Organization: SBC Internet Services
> Reply-To: n...@taking.replies
> Newsgroups: alt.animals.felines,alt.cats,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:37:15 -0600
> Subject: Re: WARNING
He's evidentially getting enough exercise in being contrary and
argumentative from the other thread. you know, if he doesn't get his
exercise, he becomes cranky and spreads it aallll over the newsgroup.
Karen
Karen
bonbon
<RG_B...@swbell.net> wrote:
><sigh> You are the one that started the war with him & the best thing you can do
>is leave the groups. You are dangerous, with your "knowledge" on cat food. You
>think that a raw food diet only requires throwing the cat some raw meat. They
>don't get the nutrition they need from that, you have to actually spend a lot of
>time & money on that. It's not something that most people can do, hence the dry
>food/soft food. And yes, I realize that dry may not be the best for cats. Now,
>either apologize to Phil & the rest of the groups or quit yer bitchin.
You know Rechelle, one would almost think Denise had come back to
torture us, except this one's spelling is too good, meaning she's
'probably' not drunk.
-bonbon
Ron Ng
Boiled Hilary!
Ron Ng Knows!
Rechelle Blair
n...@taking.replies wrote:
> You know Rechelle, one would almost think Denise had come back to
> torture us, except this one's spelling is too good, meaning she's
> 'probably' not drunk.
>
> -bonbon
I never thought of that. I don't think it is though, Denise was
dangerous in a different way.
GAUBSTER2
>FUS? I am not too into Science Diet.
Nutro lite does not meet the govt. regulations to be called a "light" food.
That's why it is spelled "lite". Going back to grocery food will likely keep a
health problem coming back. What's wrong w/ the Science Diet? I also don't
care for Nutro because it is too high in phosphorus, calcium, and drops the
cat's Ph too low.
GAUBSTER2
>bones and she will be healed.
>
I see Elaine has carried her raw food crusade from the dog boards to here.
Sherry Riddles
>
>
tedious to prepare, if you want to avoid contamination. And costly. I know a
few breeders who do prepare their own "balanced diet". Because, I assume, we
are talking about a "balanced diet" here--not just throwing hunks of raw meat.
Sherry
GAUBSTER2
>"took over" the prescription diet market - not necessarily by the virtue of
>quality - incentives (e.g., freebies, discounts, overwhelming literature,
>etc.) "may" have played a roll... making other prescription diets largely
>unavailable at most veterinary practices.
First, I know that Phil and I have disagreed about the quality of Nutro vs.
Science Diet, but I would like to jump to his defense over the whole troll
Elaine thing. That being said, I have to disagree w/ the above comment on
Hill's. Having worked in the pet industry previously, and knowing a couple of
vets personally, I would suggest that Hill's is successful precisely because of
quality. A lot of vets want the best and for the most part that is a Hill's
diet. Some vets are looking for palatibility as well. You can recommend a
Prescription Diet, but if the animal won't eat it, that doesn't help anybody.
I would also suggest that the above "supports" the veterinary community.
Something that is sorely lacking when it comes to other pet food manufacturers.
Quite simply, Hill's does the most research on pet nutrition than anybody
else.
GAUBSTER2
>your life?
I would never have to worry about getting sick from E coli!!
elaine
wrote:
>See that, Elaine (the good one)! I didn't mention Nutro once! ;)
LOL, I am glad you are starting to find the humour in my previous
mistake (when I thought you were that other guy from the pet food
company).
You might also be interested in this website Phil, which here in
Canada covers many of the mainstream veterinary views on cat
nutrition:
http://www.cvma-acmv.org/chew.htm
(Including FUS, for the benefit of the original poster)
:)
Elaine