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Thir...@webtv.net

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May 10, 2001, 4:03:45 AM5/10/01
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I have a cat, Huckleberry, who is an inbred. He is just beautiful,
black and grey maine coone with large round eyes, etc, etc. But, I
hear all the time about how inbreds do not live very long, like 2 or 3
years. I hope that isn't so, I'm almost afraid to get too attached, and
he is shy and is, definetely, my cat, or rather, I am his human, and I
do love him very much anyway, and he needs me to. So, does anyone here
know about this? If they don't live long. Thanks, JEL
And, don't flame me with, 'well, a person should have his cats
neutered, so they wouldn't produce inbreds.' mute point.

hjs

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May 10, 2001, 11:07:15 AM5/10/01
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I have a female, one year old, that may be inbred. She has extra toes and is
slow at times. I plan on keeping her and loving her as long as I can. She's
one of my rescues. All any of us can do is try to get people to understand
that they need to neuter their pets to avoid this happening. It doesn't
mean they will listen. Just give your kitty lots of love and understanding.
Why not make it's time on earth happy? We can't change the past, but we can
change the future.
Jeano


Sherry

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May 10, 2001, 1:20:08 PM5/10/01
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Hey, Jeano, having extra toes doesn't mean your kitty is slow or inbred -- it
just means she's very special -- she's a polydactyl! It's just a genetic thing
that some cats have, it doesn't affect their overall health or well-being. I
think they are charming, and I have one. I agree, people still need to neuter
all their pets, though. Bless you for taking in rescues. Maybe there is
something else in her history or breeding that makes her slow. Have you talked
to a vet about it?

Sherry

Sherry


acoftil

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May 10, 2001, 8:18:37 PM5/10/01
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It depends on what you mean by "inbred" I had a Hymalayn whoes grandparents
were the same cats on both sides. She lived 4 years. She had all kinds of
health problems--stomach infections, skin infections and on and on. We tried to
keep her healthy and happy--but she was just miserable--so we put her down at 4
years of age. She cost me a lot of money in vet bills--I was stupid--I knew
better--but I wanted a Hymalayn.

Talk to your vet--if your cat is not getting illnesses that most kitties can
fend off--you may have to make that choice sooner for your cat, than for other
cats.

HTH,

Nancy
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Gerry

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May 11, 2001, 2:50:33 PM5/11/01
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<Thir...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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No it isn't so, and the "inbred animal will die young" qualifies as a
not-so-cute urban legend. Unless you suspect your cat comes from a long
line of brother-sister random matings, I wouldn't worry about it. Many
feral populations arise from fairly restricted gene pools, especially after
population wipeouts from disease, and random breeding of moggies between
siblings is more common that most people want to admit because of some
individual's irresponsibility when it comes to neutering. Inbreeding is
among human-kind's most effective way to reinforce desired genetic
characteristics in both domestic animals and plants, a tool perhaps as
popular as selective outbreeding or hybridization. Although inbreeding
effectively interferes with allowing new characteristics into the gene pool
(good and bad) that may help with survival when recessive characteristics
could have been expressed, and will eventually have the effect of decreasing
reproductive capacity and increasing mortality rates (including hereditary
defects that are also reinforced by the gene pairing)... it takes
"excessive" inbreeding to do so, generally involving many sibling and
sibling to parent generations. What repeated inbreeding does in simple
terms is cause an increase in the proportion of like genes (good or bad, rec
essive or dominant) within a population, and prevents diversity within the
animal's gene pool. If your looking for more information on the subject I'd
suggest a first-year biology text book that will even introduce you to the
mathematics used to determine the statistical chances of like-gene pairing
and similarities between inbred organisms (such as the heterozygosity
coefficient equasions). It's pretty facinating stuff really.

In other words I wouldn't worry about your cat only living to 2 or 3.

Gerry

Fruklass

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May 12, 2001, 4:22:35 PM5/12/01
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>acoftil writes: I had a Hymalayn whoes grandparents were the same cats on

both sides. She lived 4 years. She had all kinds of health problems
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I don't believe one generation of inbreeding would produce such problems.
After all, we humans have had pockets of inbreeding ourselves--look at
Cleopatra. (The royal class of Egypt went in for long-term, major inbreeding.)
You simply get some intensification of whatever traits the family carries,
good or bad.

Kitty...@webtv.net

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May 20, 2001, 12:23:33 PM5/20/01
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my 4 yo cats father was the brother. these cats all bred together
cause"cats wont breed with their sisters/brothers... ya right. anyway
the people were animal abusers and real mean. in the 2 litters(2
sisters had kittens day apart) some were sick-couldnt nurse cause of
mouth deformities... my cat is pretty healthy-only thing is he throws up
at least every other day food. cause he has problems swallowing. other
then that all tests came back fine. purebreds are sometimes bred on
purpose lie that so not all inbred cats are gonna die young....just a
thought

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As you think about letting your female cat have a litter think of all
the cats in the world who are being abused everyday...Starved...beaten
to their death only so the family can go out and get another...maybe
from your litter advertised in the paper...Free to good home. Still
don't think there's a need to spay...take a look at the photo on the
bottom of this page
http://millennium.fortunecity.com/treearbor/834/cattery.html


http://community.webtv.net/Kittyteddy/Welcome

joe...@127.0.0.1

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May 23, 2001, 1:44:36 PM5/23/01
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fruk...@aol.com (Fruklass) wrote:
>>acoftil writes

>---
>I don't believe one generation of inbreeding would produce such problems.

>After all, we humans have had pockets of inbreeding ourselves--look at
>Cleopatra. (The royal class of Egypt went in for long-term, major inbreeding.)
> You simply get some intensification of whatever traits the family carries,
>good or bad.
>

One of my cats was a l kitten we rescued from a feral colony when he was
3 weeks old.
He was the only one of the litter to survive and, of course, there is
a lot of inbreeding in these colonies. My vet did warn me about that
when I got him. I'm happy to say my beautiful little boy just
turned 7 years old last week and aside from one brush with
a severe urinary tract blockage a few years ago, he's healthy,
strong and happy, still plays like a kitten and loves to
wrestle with his newest little "brother". I can't imagine losing
him, but when the time comes I know I surely won't regret one
minute of the time we've had. Which, of course, is true of all
my babies.

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