shaklee 'basic-g'
Virginia DeGiorgi
they are the vitamin equivalent of avon or tupperware, home sales and all that)
- well last time we were talking about pets she told me about shaklee's
cleaning product called 'basic-g' - all she has is the company info on the
stuff. it's a concentrate cleaning solution that you mix with water. amoung
the things it is supposed to kill are:
feline leukemia vius
feline picorna virus
canine distemper virus
canine parvovirus
porcine parvovirus
rabies virus
pseudorabies virus (i've no idea what this is but it sounds nasty)
the instructions say it is for use on hard non-porous surfaces. it requires a
minimum contact time of 10 minutes (can be applied by sponge, cloth, mop,
spraying or soaking)
it has an epa registraion no. 47371-129-7294, epa est no. 10744-il-i
does anyone have experience with this stuff? does it do what they claim????
thanks
virginia
John Vinson
: feline leukemia vius
: feline picorna virus
: canine distemper virus
: canine parvovirus
: porcine parvovirus
: rabies virus
: pseudorabies virus (i've no idea what this is but it sounds nasty)
: the instructions say it is for use on hard non-porous surfaces. it requires a
: minimum contact time of 10 minutes (can be applied by sponge, cloth, mop,
: spraying or soaking)
: it has an epa registraion no. 47371-129-7294, epa est no. 10744-il-i
: does anyone have experience with this stuff? does it do what they claim????
As a chemist, I'm sure it does. All of these organisms would also be
quickly killed by any detergent, especially one with bleach. Save your
money: your grocery store's generic household cleaner will work just as
well; if you want to be hypercautious, use something like Lysol.
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Joan Maxfield UCNS
Are you sure this isn't 'Basic-H'? My mom used to buy this stuff by
the gallon and used it for everything from laundry pre-spotter to
removing make-up. ( I guess with 9 people and assorted pets we needed
all the detergents we could get) Mom swears by this stuff and would
probably buy more if she knew a shaklee salesperson! All I can
remember of it was the list of things it would clean, sort of like
baking soda, it's good for everything, and that is worked so well
because it was 'basic' as the name said (alkaline).
Of course, if it is 'Basic-G' then ignore everything I just said!
(oh, and I have no idea how it works on viruses and bacteria)
Joan
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say what it does....however, common household bleach
will kill all those diseases and most other viral
germs ...and its cheep!!
Rob Dorfman
Gail Riddle
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|> : does anyone have experience with this stuff? does it do what they claim????
|>
|> As a chemist, I'm sure it does. All of these organisms would also be
|> quickly killed by any detergent, especially one with bleach. Save your
|> money: your grocery store's generic household cleaner will work just as
|> well; if you want to be hypercautious, use something like Lysol.
^^^^^
Please don't use Lysol! Unless the manufacturer has changed the formula, it is
quite toxic for cats!
Gail Riddle
g...@css.cdc.com
John Vinson
Sorry! Didn't realize this or I would never have mentioned it. Lysol is
toxic for humans too, of course (use gloves, ventilate) - but is it
especially toxic for cats?
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Caren Jones
|> : In article <1tb19v$o...@reeve.research.aa.wl.com>, vin...@pd-dom.dom.aa.wl.com (John Vinson) writes:
|>
|> : < text deleted>
|> : |> : does anyone have experience with this stuff? does it do what they claim????
|> : |>
|> : |> As a chemist, I'm sure it does. All of these organisms would also be
|> : |> quickly killed by any detergent, especially one with bleach. Save your
|> : |> money: your grocery store's generic household cleaner will work just as
|> : |> well; if you want to be hypercautious, use something like Lysol.
|> : ^^^^^
|> : Please don't use Lysol! Unless the manufacturer has changed the formula, it is
|> : quite toxic for cats!
Is it generally toxic, or only if they come in contact with
it? I use spray lysol in my (covered) garbage can in the
kitchen. Am I endangering my cats?
caren
Angela Hanson
: cleaning product called 'basic-g' - all she has is the company info on the
: stuff. it's a concentrate cleaning solution that you mix with water. amoung
: the things it is supposed to kill are:
:
: feline leukemia vius
: feline picorna virus
: canine distemper virus
: canine parvovirus
: porcine parvovirus
: rabies virus
: pseudorabies virus (i've no idea what this is but it sounds nasty)
:
: the instructions say it is for use on hard non-porous surfaces. it requires a
: minimum contact time of 10 minutes (can be applied by sponge, cloth, mop,
: spraying or soaking)
:
: it has an epa registraion no. 47371-129-7294, epa est no. 10744-il-i
:
: does anyone have experience with this stuff? does it do what they claim????
I grew up on all the shaklee products, because my parents sell the stuff.
I've always used Basic G as a household disinfectant and also add it to my
laundry for towels and stuff like that. I had heard that it kills all the
above, but do not know anyone who has tried it on that stuff. For what I
have used it for, it works great and doesn't have the aweful smell other
stuff has. It is very concentrated, so I always add quite a bit of water
to it.
Next time I talk to my parents, I'll ask them if they know people who have
used it for the stuff you listed. If you have a specific questions on it
just email me and I'll try to get the answers for you.
Angie
Didi Pancake
>Gail Riddle (g...@confucius.css.cdc.com) wrote:
>: Please don't use Lysol! Unless the manufacturer has changed the formula, it is
>: quite toxic for cats!
>
>Sorry! Didn't realize this or I would never have mentioned it. Lysol is
>toxic for humans too, of course (use gloves, ventilate) - but is it
>especially toxic for cats?
Contains phenol which is especially toxic for cats.
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Jean Marie Diaz
Sorry! Didn't realize this or I would never have mentioned it. Lysol is
toxic for humans too, of course (use gloves, ventilate) - but is it
especially toxic for cats?
Phenol, the active chemical in most Lysol products, is especially toxic
to cats, and should not be used on any surface that they will walk on or
rub against. (Ie, I wouldn't worry about using it inside a trash can,
but I would NOT use it on floor, litter boxes, furniture...)
If you want a cheap and effective litter-box disinfection solution,
combine one part chlorine bleach to 19 parts water. After scrubbing the
box out, spray or pour the bleach solution on the entire surface, then
rinse WELL. Kills germs, viruses, fungus. And it can't get much
cheaper. My vet recommends it.
AMBAR
kl...@iscsvax.uni.edu
Dogs and cats don't do well with chocolate, though there are some specific
"dog chocolates" that have had the theobromine (the caffeine analog in
chocolate) removed. Do not feed your cat or dog good chocolate, not
even Hershey bar bites. And the better the chocolate (in human terms),
the worse it is for the animal.
That said, most cats and dogs will love cleaning up the bowl that
you've just had chocolate ice cream in... and they won't get sick from it.
Most chocolate ice creams have too small an amount of chocolate to do much
harm. I won't vouch for the super-premium "death by chocolate"-type
icecreams, though!
They'll also survive a slurp from an ordinary cup of coffee -- but keep
them away from the espresso!
In general, try to keep them out of the chocolate, and the coffee. But
it's not an emergency unless they get a fair amount....
And definitely keep them out of the theophylline, a fairly common asthma
drug that is chemically related to caffeine and theobromine. It's much
too concentrated for an animal!
Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI
John Vinson
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: cheaper. My vet recommends it.
I've been having a mail discussion with Sharon Hope at JPL about this.
She points out that chlorine bleach can react with the ammonia in urine to
produce highly toxic chloramine gas: she knows of whole litters of puppies
killed by this reaction! Bleach is very effective at disinfection: but
**RINSE THOROUGHLY**!
Viruses, in particular, are generally not very robust outside of living
organisms. Very few viruses can withstand even a few minutes of dry air
exposure or plain soap (the surfactant effect of soap or detergent
disrupts the virus protein coat). Many bacteria and especially fungi are
much tougher: but, IMnsHO, a lot of disinfectant (whether Lysol, bleach,
basic-g or whatever) is simply overkill.
: AMBAR
Laura Johnson
who died from eating Mexican chocolate. It apparently has more of the
theo-whatever-nasty-stuff than other chocolates. Also, I assume baking
chocolate is bad news, since it's so concentrated. Many animals *do*
love chocolate, so although I'll let them lick the wrapper, I don't
risk leaving a whole chocolate bar where they could get it (though
of course they're *much* too good to do any such thing ;->).
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Sid Yearick
loves it, and a couple of the cats go crazy for it. It is not our habit
to give it to them, but they have on occasion been know to somehow get
chocolate. It has never been in large amounts, and there has never been
any negative reaction to it. Of course Kepurr's favorite food in the whole
world is a twinkie. And no matter where in the house Muffin is, if you get
ice cream she will be sitting there waiting for you to give her some.
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Christine Stehnach
I've been reading this group for a while now and decided that
this would be a good time to start posting stuff. My kitty, Sasha,
(11 month old Maine Coon/Tabby mix who has the most gorgeous
tail I've ever seen on a cat) LOVES chocolate and even raided
my Christmas stocking to bite off the tips of all my hershey kisses.
So, because I heard that chocolate was lethal to cats, I asked my
vet about chocolate and cats. He told me that yes, chocolate in
large quantities is bad for cats and dogs. He said that if a cat ate
an amount that was about the size of a hershey's kiss, it wouldn't
be fatal (an amount about the size of a regular hershey bar wouldn't
be fatal for dogs) but if the cat ate an amount the size of a reg. hershey
bar, it would be fatal (as would a whole box of chocolates for dogs).
I don't know how reliable that info is, but he is a vet. So, now whenever
I have chocolate, I keep it in a tin on a really high shelf. But, Sasha knows
which tin contains the chocolate and whines whenever I open it (sometimes
I indulge her and give her a tiny piece because, well, she's spoiled.
I obtained her from a pet store that was giving her away because her previous
owners abandoned her when she about 5 1/2 months old. The owners of the pet
store wanted to find her a good home because she had been abused. So, she
became my Christmas present to myself. And yes, I talk to her as if she were
human. )
Christine & Sasha (hell-on-paws)
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Toni Giacalo
I read in the cat-a-day calender that chocolate is toxic to cats as is
asperin.
Charles Cleveland
)I read in the cat-a-day calender that chocolate is toxic to cats as is
)asperin.
Then why did the summary on your article say `yes', with the Subject
standing as it does?
(Sorry if this has been beaten to death, but I read this group
just when I get a chance. <-- read `seldom')
Actually, I don't know about chocolate. But aspirin is not `per se' toxic
to cats. We have an old codger (+15 years) who has considerable arthritis,
and our vet (top of his class) put him on a baby aspirin three times a
week (MWF). Whenever he pukes (hairball, or whatever), we skip his next
pill (aspirin can cause gastronomical problems for humans, too, so we're
careful). We've been doing this for close to 2 years. When he misses his
pill, he regrets it. It makes a big difference to him.
According to our vet, the problem with aspirin and cats is that they
metabolize aspirin VERY slowly, MUCH more slowly than people or, say, DOGS.
I got the deadly picture of someone with a cat who had a fever, shoving a
aspirin down its throat every four hours. Since cats metabolize aspirin
so slowly, the levels of the drug quickly reach toxic levels, with deadly
consequences.
In short, aspirin can be a useful drug for cats, but only under the
careful watch of a vet. It's dangerous if you give it to your animal
anywhere as casually as take you'd take it yourself.
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Jean Marie Diaz
Jean Marie Diaz (am...@cygnus.com) wrote:
: If you want a cheap and effective litter-box disinfection solution,
: combine one part chlorine bleach to 19 parts water. After scrubbing the
: box out, spray or pour the bleach solution on the entire surface, then
: rinse WELL. Kills germs, viruses, fungus. And it can't get much
~~~~~~~~~~~~
: cheaper. My vet recommends it.
I've been having a mail discussion with Sharon Hope at JPL about this.
She points out that chlorine bleach can react with the ammonia in urine to
produce highly toxic chloramine gas: she knows of whole litters of puppies
killed by this reaction! Bleach is very effective at disinfection: but
**RINSE THOROUGHLY**!
Good point. I tried Anitra Frazier's suggestion for a litter-box
cleaner last night (add an additional part of Dr. Bronner's Liquid Soap
to the mix above) and have decided I like it. I rinse out the boxes
with a hose, spray the stuff on, scrub, and rinse. Adding the soap
makes the scrubbing easier.
AMBAR
Darlene Pietrzak, M/C 135
>much tougher: but, IMnsHO, a lot of disinfectant (whether Lysol, bleach,
>basic-g or whatever) is simply overkill.
>
stead magazine I get. Has anyone used vinegar as a disenfectant? Any comments
on it's use?
I use vinegar around the house as a cleaning agent, allergic to a lot of the
commercial cleaners out there, along with baking soda and vegetable soaps.
Darlene
Julie Kangas
>>agia...@nmsu.edu (Toni Giacalo) (agia...@nmsu.edu, <1th026...@dns1.NMSU.Edu>):
>)I read in the cat-a-day calender that chocolate is toxic to cats as is
>)asperin.
>
>According to our vet, the problem with aspirin and cats is that they
>metabolize aspirin VERY slowly, MUCH more slowly than people or, say, DOGS.
>I got the deadly picture of someone with a cat who had a fever, shoving a
>aspirin down its throat every four hours. Since cats metabolize aspirin
>so slowly, the levels of the drug quickly reach toxic levels, with deadly
>consequences.
I think another problem with chocolate/aspirin is body weight. You
certainly don't want to give the dosage that *you* take to an animal
that weighs a small fraction of what you do.
Julie
DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
bite me. it's fun.
>
>They'll also survive a slurp from an ordinary cup of coffee -- but keep
>them away from the espresso!
i'm relieved to hear that. our new kitten, Iceberg Slim,
LOVES coffee. i have to watch my cup like a hawk, or he
will be into it in seconds. i'm trying to think of this
as a good thing -- i won't find old, moldy cups of coffee
lying around after a couple of weeks anymore, because now
i HAVE to clean them up.
how about hot peppers? both Slim and Daddy-O absolutely
ADORE thai food, and will even take a bite of Tuong Ot-Toi
Viet-Nam (an exceedingly hot chili garlic paste) if we let
them. they definitely notice the heat, but they must like
it, because they do it again the next time we eat.
m
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cats! My cat thinks coffee is vile. He squinches up his eyes whenever
he gets close to my coffee cup, like he's gotten a snoot full of
ammonia.
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Deanna J. Deeds
: I am highly impressed with the gastronomical sophistication of your
: cats! My cat thinks coffee is vile. He squinches up his eyes whenever
: he gets close to my coffee cup, like he's gotten a snoot full of
: ammonia.
Tuppence does that 'imaginary burying' thing to my coffee cup. She's very
persistent about it, too. :-)
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