apologies to this group
John and Debbie Trujillo
email I received about some Baylor college students who had tortured and
killed a local cat. I had requested everyone to contact the prosecutor in
this case.
Unfortunately, about the time the thread started to die down, Beth had to
reopen an old wound by telling everyone here about a decision I made over a
year ago to have a cat put to sleep which I later regretted (and it is a
decision I am still suffering a lot of pain over still). As a result, a
flame war started. I would like to apologize to this group for this. I had
hoped that with the passage of time this wouldn't happen - however, that is
obviously not the case.
Again, my apologies to this group. I have added Beth to my killfile.
--
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Angel
you to post on this group. ... and my own "block sender" list grows every
once in awhile, too. But basically, this is a great ng with helpful
information and some funny stories. Just have to weed the yuck out.......
best of luck to you, and stop beating yourself over the head for something
you did a year ago; I mean, you apparently have learned quite a bit from it
and grown from it. So good for you.
Growth in oneself is something to be proud of......
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"Just Me"
again. While she thinks she's doing everyone a favor, she still looks and
acts like a plain, mean old, rotten bitch.
(And don't email me with your threats, Beth).
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Please (kiss my ass) before replying.
"John and Debbie Trujillo" <deb...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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Beth
"Just Me" <just...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Beth has a grand way of sticking in the dagger and turning it over and
over
> again. While she thinks she's doing everyone a favor, she still looks and
> acts like a plain, mean old, rotten bitch.
I'm unsurprised to see that you and Debbie are bonding, Laurie. You're
soulmates, after all - members of the "get rid of the cat when it becomes an
inconvenience" sisterhood.
> (And don't email me with your threats, Beth).
Oh, please. Like I'd waste my time on pond scum like you.
"Just Me"
"oh so subtle ways". And whilst you think of me as pond scum, I'd say it
was about 4 months ago you stuck your haggy toes in my water and emailed me
privately... and threatened me. Therefore, you did 'waste your time', and
now you only sound like usual... a baited fool.
Bye!
~Just Me~
Please (kiss my ass) before replying.
"Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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SergienkoL
her actions of the past and would not do the same thing again. This is called
repentance. Is there no room in our hearts for forgiveness and reconciliation?
If there is not, then perhaps we should not expect forgiveness for any of our
actions.
Peace be with you,
Lisa S.
Beth
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> I believe that Debbie has stated on several occasions that she has
regretted
> her actions of the past and would not do the same thing again.
She has a funny way of expressing it.
> This is called
> repentance. Is there no room in our hearts for forgiveness and
reconciliation?
Not when the "repentance" is just an act. Debbie's statements of "regret"
are pretty much overshadowed by her statements telling me to fuck off, go to
hell, etc. - just as they were a year ago on the pet-loss newsgroup.
Doesn't sound very regretful to me.
> If there is not, then perhaps we should not expect forgiveness for any of
our
> actions.
If I were to kill a healthy cat in my care, simply because I found it
inconvenient to have it around, I would neither deserve nor expect
forgiveness. Not now, not a year from now, not ever.
John and Debbie Trujillo
> I believe that Debbie has stated on several occasions that she has regretted
> her actions of the past and would not do the same thing again. This is called
> repentance. Is there no room in our hearts for forgiveness and
> reconciliation?
> If there is not, then perhaps we should not expect forgiveness for any of our
> actions.
>
> Peace be with you,
> Lisa S.
>
>
Yes, I did post my regrets. However, Beth is too stupid to understand.
Beth
>
> Yes, I did post my regrets. However, Beth is too stupid to understand.
You and I both know that I understand you *very* well. I told you a year
ago that you were the reason I left the pet-loss newsgroup for good, and
that if you persisted in following me over to health+behavior I'd "out" you
here. At the time you agreed (I still have your email stating as much), but
you failed to keep your word. Just the sight of your name is offensive,
but more to the point, the fact that you have now taken it upon yourself to
post about animal abuse cases and encourage people to write letters urging
that the guilty parties are held accountable for their actions, when you
yourself are guilty of an act of unspeakable selfishness, heartlessness, and
cruelty, is more than I can stomach.
Beth
> Well Beth, I don't know Debbie, but I read her post and it wreaked of your
> "oh so subtle ways". And whilst you think of me as pond scum, I'd say it
> was about 4 months ago you stuck your haggy toes in my water and emailed
me
> privately... and threatened me.
Yeah, right. <rolling eyes at ceiling>
Angel
> but more to the point, the fact that you have now taken it upon yourself
to
> post about animal abuse cases and encourage people to write letters urging
> that the guilty parties are held accountable for their actions, when you
> yourself are guilty of an act of unspeakable selfishness,
so, Beth, no one ever gets to change their behavoir and grow and be a
better person? Wow! That means that no one ever gets to learn anything; in
your mind. And since this newsgroup is for learning new things, I have to
wonder why you are here.
lol! You've "outted" as a bully. And this is a cat newsgroup, not a
bully's news group.
blocked senders list just grew a Beth.
John and Debbie Trujillo
going to AGAIN become a broken record stating my regrets because you either
can't understand what I say or choose to ignore it. Get a clue you stupid
broad!
You remind me of my first husband's sister and her husband. They weren't
happy unless they had something to bitch about or someone to make feel like
a heel. I've come to the conclusion that that is your problem. You have
the same type of lowlife mentality they had.
--
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R Grass
I don't know what happened with the cat you put to sleep, but I can see you
have regrets about either what you did or did not try to do. I am sorry you
have regrets and I hope you have learned something that will help you with
your next companions.
If you have learned something that improves your life and that of the beings
around you that is all that can be asked. You can't bring the other kitty
back but you can in your ways try to keep others from making your same
mistake by talking about it and helping with advice where your experience
warrants.
Here's hoping for learning, growing and tolerance.
Lee
Angel
newsgroup for cat behavoir and cat health. Get out of my newserver. And
R.Upton, your ability to judge others a year later is just boring.
R. Upton <au...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
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I was posting in the grief newsgroup around the time my Pounce died, and
> saw the posts about Debbie's cat. At first she was posting to try and
> express grief over putting this otherwise healthy cat to sleep, and her
> posts seemed to convey that she was in search of sympathy and someone
> telling her she did the right thing. Ofcourse with the mindset of most pet
> owners, no one gave her sympathy or reassured her in her decision. After
> much flaming on the subject, she expressed a regret. While I have no
> doubts she has some serious regrets about what she did, I do feel she
> regrets her decision in part because of the consequences that came after,
> and because of what people said to her, not because she gave it thought
> and thinks "gee that wasn't really necessary, I didn't give that cat a
> chance". In hindsight she probably thinks that she should have kept the
> cat a little longer or tried to find him a new home if things werne't
> going well, but I don't think 9 days is a lot of search time or effort put
> into finding the cat a new home. (But I don't doubt it would probably be
> difficult... I think the cats might eventually learn to tolerate each
> other, even if they didn't like each other. My two never liked each other,
> but ever after Pounce broke Cleo's tail, they learned to be in the same
> room and leave each other alone.)
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Helen
> sender below blocked. This is not a newsgroups for flamers, this is a
> newsgroup for cat behavoir and cat health. Get out of my newserver. And
> R.Upton, your ability to judge others a year later is just boring.
And your ability to judge others within seconds based on one post is quite
bizarre. Rachel has regularly posted here, and has made useful contributions
to this ng for years. Debbie Trujillo, in contrast, is a cat murderer who is
a complete waste of space. Still wishing your husband had died of cancer so
you didn't "have to" put Fussbudget to sleep, Debbie? Yep, that's real
remorse.
Oh whoops, I've done it now, you're going to killfile me too <sob>
Helen
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> And this is a cat newsgroup, not a
> bully's news group.
> blocked senders list just grew a Beth.
I'm grief-stricken.
Tracy G
reaction she received rather than a regret of her own actions. In other
words, insincere. Some things are done out of ignorance, others are
done because the person is deficient in their soul. Putting a healthy
animal to sleep because it doesn't fit in with a new household in a few
days is not a matter of ignorance or learning, it is a matter of values
and conscience. Some people just are lacking in those areas.
Tracy
R. Upton wrote:
>
> "Angel" (anon...@none.net) writes:
> > so, Beth, no one ever gets to change their behavoir and grow and be a
> > better person? Wow! That means that no one ever gets to learn anything; in
> > your mind. And since this newsgroup is for learning new things, I have to
> > wonder why you are here.
> > lol! You've "outted" as a bully. And this is a cat newsgroup, not a
> > bully's news group.
> > blocked senders list just grew a Beth.
>
Rev. Tiernan
<helena...@donotspamntlworld.com>:
>...Still wishing your husband had died of cancer so
>you didn't "have to" put Fussbudget to sleep, Debbie? Yep, that's real
>remorse.
Ok. I lurk here, and haven't ever posted before but this I had to
respond to.
This has to be one of the cruelest, most childish and vicious remarks
I have *ever* seen. Quite frankly, the viciousness and cruelty of
some of the remarks I've seen directed towards Debbie for something
that happened *a year ago* don't lend one solitary crumb of
credibility to her detractors.
Look at it this way: Debbie made a decision *a year ago* and she
regrets it still. You and a handful of others, however, are *still
making vicious, cruel and deliberately hurtful comments today*.
Nobody's perfect. Your mindless gibbering cruelty makes you
absolutely not one bit better than anything you *think* Debbie is. In
fact it makes you MUCH more small and pathetic. Debbie at least has
regrets, who cares why? You, OTOH, will probably never regret the
utter mindless viciousness of what you just said.
Rev. Tiernan
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"Just Me"
some hateful, hateful, hateful folks in here. When it comes to these folks,
I wonder where they come from in real life. Where are their families, and
do they have any to give them the compassion of forgiveness in real life?
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~Just Me~
Please (remove your shoes) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
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"Rev. Tiernan" <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
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Helen
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> respond to.
You might lurk, but you obviously don't know me. Weird, that, since I've
been here for years.
> This has to be one of the cruelest, most childish and vicious remarks
> I have *ever* seen. Quite frankly, the viciousness and cruelty of
> some of the remarks I've seen directed towards Debbie for something
> that happened *a year ago* don't lend one solitary crumb of
> credibility to her detractors.
I absolutely agree. It is indeed cruel, childish and vicious. Unfortunately,
I didn't say it, Debbie did - I'm merely quoting her. It is a perfect
example of Debbie not taking responsibility for her actions. She stood by
while said husband threw Fussbudget across the room, and then wished he
would die of cancer so she didn't have to try to stop him. Of course, he
didn't die of cancer but unfortunately she still didn't stop him.
> Look at it this way: Debbie made a decision *a year ago* and she
> regrets it still. You and a handful of others, however, are *still
> making vicious, cruel and deliberately hurtful comments today*.
The whole point is, she doesn't regret it. She assumes the mask of remorse
because it begn to dawn on her after she posted last year that people were
not impressed by her actions. It's not just that she killed Fussbudget but
that she stood by while her husband abused this elderly, confused cat.
> Nobody's perfect. Your mindless gibbering cruelty makes you
> absolutely not one bit better than anything you *think* Debbie is. In
> fact it makes you MUCH more small and pathetic. Debbie at least has
> regrets, who cares why? You, OTOH, will probably never regret the
> utter mindless viciousness of what you just said.
No, nobody is perfect. least of all me. But I don't kill cats, and I take
responsibility for my actions. You may think me guilty of cruelty, but I
can't hold a candle to Debbie. And the reason for regrets matters very much,
because if you regret it purely because of how it makes people perceive you,
with no true remorse, then it is worthless.
Helen
Beth
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> Ok. I lurk here, and haven't ever posted before but this I had to
> respond to.
I'll be taking this one with a huge grain of salt, thank you very much.
> This has to be one of the cruelest, most childish and vicious remarks
> I have *ever* seen.
Um, Debbie is the one who made it. Helen was just quoting her.
> Quite frankly, the viciousness and cruelty of
> some of the remarks I've seen directed towards Debbie for something
> that happened *a year ago* don't lend one solitary crumb of
> credibility to her detractors.
Why is it that the passage of a year makes it OK that a healthy cat was
killed simply because his owner found it inconvenient to have him around?
Fussbudget is still dead and he was still abused before she had him killed.
That fact is not going to go away.
> Look at it this way: Debbie made a decision *a year ago* and she
> regrets it still.
Let's not overlook the fact that her decision resulted in the needless death
of an innocent animal that was in her care. She *says* she regrets it on
the ngs. Her actions, including harrassing both Helen and myself via PEM,
would seem to indicate otherwise.
Rev. Tiernan
<helena...@donotspamntlworld.com>:
>"Rev. Tiernan" <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
>news:9fceff$4cv$1...@herekittykitty.databasix.com...
>> Ok. I lurk here, and haven't ever posted before but this I had to
>> respond to.
>
>You might lurk, but you obviously don't know me. Weird, that, since I've
>been here for years.
Why do you think it's "obvious" that I don't know you? Because I
think what you said is cruel and yet you are compassionate towards
cats (and people you like)?
Compassion towards only those living things that meet your approval
isn't compassion, it's favouritism.
>> This has to be one of the cruelest, most childish and vicious remarks
>> I have *ever* seen. Quite frankly, the viciousness and cruelty of
>> some of the remarks I've seen directed towards Debbie for something
>> that happened *a year ago* don't lend one solitary crumb of
>> credibility to her detractors.
>
>I absolutely agree. It is indeed cruel, childish and vicious. Unfortunately,
>I didn't say it, Debbie did - I'm merely quoting her.
Entirely out of context, it bears pointing out.
>It is a perfect
>example of Debbie not taking responsibility for her actions. She stood by
>while said husband threw Fussbudget across the room, and then wished he
>would die of cancer so she didn't have to try to stop him. Of course, he
>didn't die of cancer but unfortunately she still didn't stop him.
I find it a little difficult to believe that you have never in your
life in a moment of anger and frustration said something similarly
unpleasant. In context, it's understandable: people say things in
anger they don't mean. (examples: If you ever do such and such again
I will KILL you! Or: How many of us have wished someone would set
those boys in Colorado on fire? And yet most of us would be horrified
if it really happened). I refuse to judge Debbie on the basis of an
out-of-context quote.
However: I am not referring to your out-of-context quoting. I am
referring to the fact that you took it out of context and threw it in
her face here, in this public forum. That was your choice and yours
alone, you cannot blame Debbie for you choosing to throw her comment
from a YEAR ago in her face NOW. That is what I am saying is cruel
and vicious. And it is.
Had you merely wanted to make reference to it without using it to hurt
Debbie you would have referred to "comments made in the original
discussion" or somesuch without dragging the specifics up and throwing
them in Debbie's face. She and you would have both known what you
were referring to. The way you did it makes it look like your goal
was to hurt and publically embarass her, and that, IMO, is cruel.
>> Look at it this way: Debbie made a decision *a year ago* and she
>> regrets it still. You and a handful of others, however, are *still
>> making vicious, cruel and deliberately hurtful comments today*.
>
>The whole point is, she doesn't regret it. She assumes the mask of remorse
>because it begn to dawn on her after she posted last year that people were
>not impressed by her actions. It's not just that she killed Fussbudget but
>that she stood by while her husband abused this elderly, confused cat.
A year ago. And in your opinion. You know, when she made that
decision a lot of people jumped on her. Why was that? Was it just to
bust on her over it? Was it to make her see an alternative point?
Was in in the hopes that she'd learn from those words and not make
that mistake again?
Well, she learned from those words and feels remorseful. But now you
think that because she feels remorseful after reading your words
(collective "your") that it isn't "real" remorse. I'm not sure why
you are contemptuous of Debbie's remorse since it was at your
(collective) words that she experienced that. I'm admittedly a bit
confused as to why some of you are upset that your words to her had
the desired effect.
The one thing I've missed in this discussion is what you feel would
constitute "real" remorse. Maybe you could clarify what set of
penances you think should be made before Debbie's remorse is "real"?
>> Nobody's perfect. Your mindless gibbering cruelty makes you
>> absolutely not one bit better than anything you *think* Debbie is. In
>> fact it makes you MUCH more small and pathetic. Debbie at least has
>> regrets, who cares why? You, OTOH, will probably never regret the
>> utter mindless viciousness of what you just said.
>
>No, nobody is perfect. least of all me. But I don't kill cats, and I take
>responsibility for my actions.
Except for the one where you threw Debbie's quote taken out of context
in her face, and then claimed you were "only quoting".
>You may think me guilty of cruelty, but I
>can't hold a candle to Debbie.
Hold up. Debbie made a decision you and a few others did not agree
with. It wasn't a decision I'd have made in the same circumstances
either, but then I don't know Debbie well enough to know all the
particulars. However... I challenge your statement that Debbie is
cruel because she had Fussbudget put to sleep.
If Debbie were truly cruel, she would have simply abandoned the cat.
Or worse: I've seen instances of cats brutalized by truly cruel
people, such as that poor tabby Westy in Colorado. If she were merely
selfish but not horribly cruel, she'd have dumped the cat on a
shelter: an older cat nearly never gets adopted, and the end result
would have been that the cat was still euthanized and it would have
been at someone else's behest - not to mention the week or so of fear,
confusion and sorrow the cat would have suffered through otherwise.
Debbie chose to take the responsibility of taking Fussbudget to the
vet herself, footing the cost and living with that regret.
I understand that Debbie's actions angered you. You need to
understand that simply screaming "cat murderer" over and over at
Debbie does not make her one. It does, however, inflict a *lot* of
unnecessary pain and humiliation on one who does not, as far as I can
see, deserve it. And that, IMO, makes you cruel. Much crueler than
Debbie who *could* have given Fussbudget far worse fates much easier
than the one she chose.
I refuse to judge Debbie. No, it isn't what I'd have done, but then I
don't know all of her situation. It may be that at the time she was
upset, stressed out, sad, scared and just plain didn't SEE there were
other options, and I can understand that. That deserves compassion,
not cruelty.
>And the reason for regrets matters very much,
>because if you regret it purely because of how it makes people perceive you,
>with no true remorse, then it is worthless.
I disagree. 90% of why people ever regret anything in this life is
because of how it made others percieve them. People regrettably
operate that way, by and large. Regret for a reason such as that is
better than no regret at all. And I don't quite see where because you
have decreed Debbie's remorse to be "only because of how it made
people perceive her" that in fact makes it her sole reason for being
remorseful. Oh, I can see that you feel that way. But I can't see
that objectively being the case. Fact is, we don't necessarily KNOW
what is going on internally with Debbie.
Rev. Tiernan
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"The journey our individual souls take is distinctly our own."
-- Christopher Angelo
Rev. Tiernan
>I hate to say Amen... but Rev., you should delurk more often. There are
>some hateful, hateful, hateful folks in here. When it comes to these folks,
>I wonder where they come from in real life. Where are their families, and
>do they have any to give them the compassion of forgiveness in real life?
*blush* Thank you. I just ... I hate to see someone being attacked.
It says a lot that Debbie's responding with grace and a level head to
some of the hurtful things being screamed at her. That alone makes me
more inclined to think that the people trying to hurt her are trying
to hurt =her=, and could really care less about Fussbudget's fate.
I think that compassion, TRUE compassion shouldn't be limited only to
people you agree with or approve of. And I don't understand how you
can dearly love cats (or any beloved furryfriend) and not somehow find
it in you to be compassionate with all creatures.
Rev. Tiernan
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Rev. Tiernan
>Rev. Tiernan <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
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>
>> Ok. I lurk here, and haven't ever posted before but this I had to
>> respond to.
>
>I'll be taking this one with a huge grain of salt, thank you very much.
This statement tells me a great deal about your mindset.
>> This has to be one of the cruelest, most childish and vicious remarks
>> I have *ever* seen.
>
>Um, Debbie is the one who made it. Helen was just quoting her.
Why? Why now? Read my post to Helen just now. Helen was quoting her
out of context to hurt her. That is cruel.
>Why is it that the passage of a year makes it OK that a healthy cat was
>killed simply because his owner found it inconvenient to have him around?
>Fussbudget is still dead and he was still abused before she had him killed.
>That fact is not going to go away.
Not as long as there are folks willing to twist it and take it out of
context and throw it around a year later, devoid of the entire context
in which the act took place.
My issue with you and Helen is that you are stripping the incident of
all meanings *except* the one you personally want to give it, and here
you are throwing it around now, a year later. That is cruel.
I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you and Helen are
activists trying nobly to save the cherished memory of dear departed
Fussbudget. You're sounding more and more like cruel people with a
personal agenda against Debbie crowing in spiteful glee because you
think you have something you can flail her with. And you're using
poor Fussbudget's memory to do it.
And you call Debbie cruel.
>> Look at it this way: Debbie made a decision *a year ago* and she
>> regrets it still.
>
>Let's not overlook the fact that her decision resulted in the needless death
>of an innocent animal that was in her care.
Agreed. The painless, human death she took responsibility for
herself. Like I said in my other post, it would have been a lot
easier for her to simply abandon the cat or dump it on a shelter,
choices she *didn't* make. Why are you so bent on overlooking those
simple and unrefutable facts in your mad rush to demonize Debbie for a
choice you yourself wouldn't have made in the same situation?
That's what makes it look like your attacks are not motivated in
concern for Fussbudget, but rather in your dislike of Debbie.
Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that neither your nor Helen give
a fart in the wind about Fussbudget at all, you just want to flail on
Debbie.
>She *says* she regrets it on
>the ngs.
Then if you don't mind my asking, who in hell are you to decide
arbitratily that she doesn't? And who in hell are the two of you to
decide that Debbie owes you an explanation anyway?
>Her actions, including harrassing both Helen and myself via PEM,
>would seem to indicate otherwise.
I'd like to hear both sides of THAT story before I accept it as a
critera for determining that Debbie isn't sincere. For all you know,
your own actions are percieved as harassing and that would also make
your own sense of mock outrage over Fussbudget rather suspect,
wouldn't it?
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Helen
> >would seem to indicate otherwise.
>
> I'd like to hear both sides of THAT story before I accept it as a
> critera for determining that Debbie isn't sincere.
I can't be bothered to answer all this - I spend way too much time helping
people with terminally cats to have the time or inclination to justify
myself to you, plus funnily enough, I sense in your posts precisely the kind
of judgment of Beth and myself which you are condemning us for - I don't
think you'd believe a word we'd say. But since you ask, then yes, I too
would dearly love to know why Debbie is sending porn to Beth and me, and how
exactly our comments about her justify this. I guess she's so traumatised
that she doesn't know what she's doing, right?
Helen
> *blush* Thank you. I just ... I hate to see someone being attacked.
> It says a lot that Debbie's responding with grace and a level head to
> some of the hurtful things being screamed at her.
<splork> Sending porn in pem is "responding with grace", is it? And you
ostensibly a reverend....!
Helen
Beth
> Beyond this place, there be "Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net>:
>
> >Rev. Tiernan <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
> >news:9fceff$4cv$1...@herekittykitty.databasix.com...
> >
> >> I have *ever* seen.
> >
> >Um, Debbie is the one who made it. Helen was just quoting her.
>
> Why? Why now? Read my post to Helen just now. Helen was quoting her
> out of context to hurt her. That is cruel.
How do you know it's out of context? Unless you were "lurking" in the
pet-loss newsgroup 13 months ago, you could not possibly have any clue what
the context was. But hey, don't take our word for it. Go to Deja and read
the archives for yourself.
> >Why is it that the passage of a year makes it OK that a healthy cat was
> >killed simply because his owner found it inconvenient to have him around?
> >Fussbudget is still dead and he was still abused before she had him
killed.
> >That fact is not going to go away.
>
> Not as long as there are folks willing to twist it and take it out of
> context and throw it around a year later, devoid of the entire context
> in which the act took place.
How is stating the bare, unvarnished facts of the matter twisting it and
taking it out of context?
1) Debbie adopted a fifteen year old cat.
2) Debbie kept it for nine days, during which time, by her own admission,
her husband mistreated it.
3) After nine days, when 'things weren't working out' and 'he wasn't fitting
in', she took him to her vet and had him killed.
What context do you need? It's Debbie's own story, told in Debbie's own
words.
> My issue with you and Helen is that you are stripping the incident of
> all meanings *except* the one you personally want to give it, and here
> you are throwing it around now, a year later. That is cruel.
Neither Helen nor myself are giving this story any meaning at all - we are
simply relating the facts of the matter and expressing our own opinion of
what Debbie did, which is that it was reprehensible. But by all means, give
it some other meaning. Really, I want to see you put some kind of spin on
this that makes killing a healthy cat for owner convenience an acceptable
act - without straying from the facts of the matter, of course.
> I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you and Helen are
> activists trying nobly to save the cherished memory of dear departed
> Fussbudget. You're sounding more and more like cruel people with a
> personal agenda against Debbie crowing in spiteful glee because you
> think you have something you can flail her with. And you're using
> poor Fussbudget's memory to do it.
Hmm, why is it bad and wrong of us to 'strip the incident of all meanings
*except* the one we personally want to give it' - but OK for you to assign
motives to us that you have absolutely no way of knowing are true or not?
> And you call Debbie cruel.
I'll go one further. Debbie is cruel and you are a hypocrite. You're
accusing us of being evil, cruel, and judgmental, while at the same time
judging us every bit as harshly as you say we are judging her.
> >Let's not overlook the fact that her decision resulted in the needless
death
> >of an innocent animal that was in her care.
>
> Agreed. The painless, human death she took responsibility for
> herself.
What, she didn't beat him to death or throw him down a flight of stairs, so
it's OK? What kind of a sicko are you?
> Like I said in my other post, it would have been a lot
> easier for her to simply abandon the cat or dump it on a shelter,
> choices she *didn't* make.
Other choices she didn't make included finding him another home, or making
the effort to properly introduce him into her home so that the problems that
did occur would have been prevented. Debbie had a number of options at her
disposal, and the one she chose says a great deal about her.
> Why are you so bent on overlooking those
> simple and unrefutable facts in your mad rush to demonize Debbie for a
> choice you yourself wouldn't have made in the same situation?
Because the simple and unrefutable facts are that she killed an innocent,
defenseless, healthy pet for no good reason. What part of that don't you
understand?
> That's what makes it look like your attacks are not motivated in
> concern for Fussbudget, but rather in your dislike of Debbie.
> Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that neither your nor Helen give
> a fart in the wind about Fussbudget at all, you just want to flail on
> Debbie.
You're certainly in a rush to jump to your conclusions and to judge us,
aren't you, "Reverend"? What church are you affiliated with anyway,
Landover Baptist? If you're real minister, I'll eat my hat.
> >She *says* she regrets it on
> >the ngs.
>
> Then if you don't mind my asking, who in hell are you to decide
> arbitratily that she doesn't?
Who are you to decide that she *does*? Would a regretful person send us
SPAM touting porno web sites via PEM? Because Debbie did.
> And who in hell are the two of you to
> decide that Debbie owes you an explanation anyway?
Debbie was the one who came forward of her own volition to post her story to
the pet-loss newsgroup. She made it clear that she wanted to be told that
she'd done the right thing and that she deserved sympathy for her "loss".
She imposed herself on a group of people who were genuinely grieving for
animals that they had lost, with complete disregard for how they would feel
upon learning that she'd thrown this cat's life away like last week's trash.
You cannot possibly have the slightest clue how heartbreaking it was to read
that story and how many tears were shed over his tragic fate - and not just
by me. Debbie caused a lot of people a lot of pain.
> >Her actions, including harrassing both Helen and myself via PEM,
> >would seem to indicate otherwise.
>
> I'd like to hear both sides of THAT story before I accept it as a
> critera for determining that Debbie isn't sincere.
I'm sure that Debbie would be more than happy to deny harrassing us, but if
she does I'll be more than happy to post the e-mail she sent me.
Beth
> I find it a little difficult to believe that you have never in your
> life in a moment of anger and frustration said something similarly
> unpleasant.
I for one couldn't care less what Debbie did or did not say about her
husband. I only care that she killed her cat.
> Hold up. Debbie made a decision you and a few others did not agree
> with. It wasn't a decision I'd have made in the same circumstances
> either, but then I don't know Debbie well enough to know all the
> particulars.
You're more than welcome to go and read them, in her own words, in the Deja
archives. Search in alt.support.grief.pet-loss between May 1 and May 15,
2000 and you'll find several threads on the subject.
> However... I challenge your statement that Debbie is
> cruel because she had Fussbudget put to sleep.
>
> If Debbie were truly cruel, she would have simply abandoned the cat.
> Or worse: I've seen instances of cats brutalized by truly cruel
> people, such as that poor tabby Westy in Colorado. If she were merely
> selfish but not horribly cruel, she'd have dumped the cat on a
> shelter: an older cat nearly never gets adopted, and the end result
> would have been that the cat was still euthanized and it would have
> been at someone else's behest - not to mention the week or so of fear,
> confusion and sorrow the cat would have suffered through otherwise.
You just described the week he spent at her house, while her husband was
abusing him. I can't see how being in a shelter could possibly been any
worse than what he did go through while in her "care".
> I understand that Debbie's actions angered you. You need to
> understand that simply screaming "cat murderer" over and over at
> Debbie does not make her one.
Correction: the fact that she killed her cat makes her one. Not that I've
seen anyone screaming "cat murderer" at anyone - you're putting words into
our mouths. Tsk, tsk.
> It does, however, inflict a *lot* of
> unnecessary pain and humiliation on one who does not, as far as I can
> see, deserve it. And that, IMO, makes you cruel. Much crueler than
> Debbie who *could* have given Fussbudget far worse fates much easier
> than the one she chose.
>
> I refuse to judge Debbie.
But you have no problem judging Helen and me.
> No, it isn't what I'd have done, but then I
> don't know all of her situation. It may be that at the time she was
> upset, stressed out, sad, scared and just plain didn't SEE there were
> other options, and I can understand that. That deserves compassion,
> not cruelty.
The key words here are "may be". You are drawing your own conclusions based
upon nothing but pure conjecture and wishful thinking.
Feel free to have as much compassion as you like for Debbie. I'll save mine
for Fussbudget. HE is the victim here, not her.
cinquil
wrote:
I object to your use of the word "murderer". It's showing blatant bias
against men by using the masculine genderization of the word.
I notice that a lot of women have difficulty coming to terms with the
evil that lies within themselves. Tying to deflect Debbie's guilt from
yourself by not calling her a "murderess" simply shows how incapable
you are of dealing with the issue at hand - the mercy killing of her
cat by it's *female* owner.
Rev. Tiernan
>Rev. Tiernan <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
>news:9fdnf6$5c6$1...@astroconsulting.databasix.com...
>> Beyond this place, there be "Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net>:
>> Why? Why now? Read my post to Helen just now. Helen was quoting her
>> out of context to hurt her. That is cruel.
>
>How do you know it's out of context? Unless you were "lurking" in the
>pet-loss newsgroup 13 months ago, you could not possibly have any clue what
>the context was. But hey, don't take our word for it. Go to Deja and read
>the archives for yourself.
Why are you assuming I haven't? Because I disagree with you? Are you
functioning in the assumption that simply because I disagree with you
I can't possibly know the "real" story?
Has it crossed your mind that people are tired of your obsessing?
>> Not as long as there are folks willing to twist it and take it out of
>> context and throw it around a year later, devoid of the entire context
>> in which the act took place.
>
>How is stating the bare, unvarnished facts of the matter twisting it and
>taking it out of context?
The point is that you are screaming "cat murderer" and you are not
telling the *entire* story, nor are you taking Debbie's side of the
story into consideration.
>1) Debbie adopted a fifteen year old cat.
>2) Debbie kept it for nine days, during which time, by her own admission,
>her husband mistreated it.
>3) After nine days, when 'things weren't working out' and 'he wasn't fitting
>in', she took him to her vet and had him killed.
>What context do you need? It's Debbie's own story, told in Debbie's own
>words.
The context you are missing is: what was Debbie's frame of mind? You
are presuming a great deal about what she was thinking, feeling or
going through, and the presumptions you are choosing are geared to
make you feel better about your inhumane behavior.
People who are upset, hurt and in an emotionally traumatic situation
frequently make decisions that are not as well thought out. That's
human, that's life, it's regrettable but *it happens to everyone*. My
entire point that you seem to willfully miss is not that what Debbie
did was right, it's that what Debbie did happened a year ago and it is
WAY past time to *let it go*.
>Neither Helen nor myself are giving this story any meaning at all - we are
>simply relating the facts of the matter and expressing our own opinion of
>what Debbie did, which is that it was reprehensible. But by all means, give
>it some other meaning. Really, I want to see you put some kind of spin on
>this that makes killing a healthy cat for owner convenience an acceptable
>act - without straying from the facts of the matter, of course.
Perhaps you can point out at what point in my entire series of posts I
said that euthanizing an otherwise healthy animal was acceptable?
You're putting spins (to use your own word) on my post that isn't
there.
What I said was that we don't know Debbie's state of mind at the time
she took that action so we can't possibly know that her choice was
made simply for "owner convenience". Debbie may have been in such a
stressed out and upset frame of mind over her husband's actions that
she wasn't thinking through all her options.
You are trying very hard to justify your cruelty in this conversation
by making it seem as though I am trying to defend something you would
like to call indefensible. I am not. I am pointing out that your
actions and words and behavior are cruel. And they are.
>Hmm, why is it bad and wrong of us to 'strip the incident of all meanings
>*except* the one we personally want to give it' - but OK for you to assign
>motives to us that you have absolutely no way of knowing are true or not?
The difference here is that I have quite a bit to go on - your own
behavior and the reprehensible things you have publically said -
whereas you have only your own assumptions since by *your own
admission* Debbie has expressed remorse publically.
I have your own posts I can repost. You have mere suppositions based
on your personal agenda. That is the difference.
>> And you call Debbie cruel.
>
>I'll go one further. Debbie is cruel and you are a hypocrite. You're
>accusing us of being evil, cruel, and judgmental, while at the same time
>judging us every bit as harshly as you say we are judging her.
No, I am not judging you nearly as harshly. I am saying that you are
cruel. I am not throwing your own personal life in your face
publically, nor am I taking your words out of context and twisting
them around to suit my own agenda. I am simply restating what you
yourself have said. In no way has anything I said approached anywhere
near the level of sheer hateful vitriol as some of your comments.
I have disagreed with you strongly. Does that make me a hypocrite?
No, it only makes me someone who *disagrees with you strongly*.
>> >Let's not overlook the fact that her decision resulted in the needless
>death
>> >of an innocent animal that was in her care.
>>
>> Agreed. The painless, human death she took responsibility for
>> herself.
>
>What, she didn't beat him to death or throw him down a flight of stairs, so
>it's OK? What kind of a sicko are you?
You are twisting what I said around to fit your personal agenda, and
this statement is very typical of the kind of viciousness I have been
seeing out of you for over a year of lurking.
What I said was that Debbie was not *cruel*. I then gave some
examples of what was cruel. I did not say that what Debbie did was
Okay, only that it was not cruel. And it wasn't.
Does that make it the best choice, or a wise one or even an acceptable
one? That's a question I didn't get into in my posts.
I wonder if you tried to twist what I said around to cover up the fact
that you can't justify your words with anything but your own opinion?
>Other choices she didn't make included finding him another home, or making
>the effort to properly introduce him into her home so that the problems that
>did occur would have been prevented. Debbie had a number of options at her
>disposal, and the one she chose says a great deal about her.
The only thing the one she chose says about her was that she spared
the cat further physical pain and abuse. Does that mean it was the
best choice? No, it does not... and I didn't say that it did. In
fact, I said at several points that the choice was regrettable and
that there were better ones, and further ... that it wasn't the choice
I would have made. But you cannot legitimately infer anything from
her choice except that she obviously did not want the cat to continue
to suffer.
I'd like to shake your hand, though. You are apparently the only
person on the entire face of the planet who, when in an emotionally
difficult and traumatic situation, always makes the best, wisest, most
compassionate choice for all parties concerned. The rest of us poor
slobs will have to just muddle through our lives somehow occasionally
making bad judgement calls and screwing up.
Fortunately, most people are not as vicious and unforgiving as you
appear to be acting.
>> Why are you so bent on overlooking those
>> simple and unrefutable facts in your mad rush to demonize Debbie for a
>> choice you yourself wouldn't have made in the same situation?
>
>Because the simple and unrefutable facts are that she killed an innocent,
>defenseless, healthy pet for no good reason. What part of that don't you
>understand?
Are you deliberately missing the point of my posts?
I never disputed what happened and I never disputed that it wasn't a
great choice. What I have disputed all along is *your behavior over
it a year later*. What part of that don't you understand?
Perhaps when you get done trying to obfuscate what I said so that you
can justify going on the attack, you can answer my question.
>You're certainly in a rush to jump to your conclusions and to judge us,
>aren't you, "Reverend"?
No, I've had a year or so to form my singularly poor opinion of you.
This kind of comment speaks far more of the sort of person you are
than anything I could have said, however. Thank you for illustrating
my point so clearly re. your lack of basic human compassion and
kindness.
>What church are you affiliated with anyway,
>Landover Baptist? If you're real minister, I'll eat my hat.
Would you like salt with that fedora, dear?
>> >She *says* she regrets it on
>> >the ngs.
>>
>> Then if you don't mind my asking, who in hell are you to decide
>> arbitratily that she doesn't?
>
>Who are you to decide that she *does*? Would a regretful person send us
>SPAM touting porno web sites via PEM? Because Debbie did.
Sure, she might... if she was regretful, and then as an entirely
different issue was angry with you. You seem to think that her being
angry with you means she's a bad person.
... hey... you seem to think my disagreeing with you makes ME a "fake"
Rev. Are we seeing a pattern here? If someone agrees with you they
are a good person, but if they do not then you resort to lies, ad
homeniem attacks and obfuscation of the actual points, is that
correct?
Looks kind of bad for your credibility, Beth.
>> And who in hell are the two of you to
>> decide that Debbie owes you an explanation anyway?
>
>Debbie was the one who came forward of her own volition to post her story to
>the pet-loss newsgroup. She made it clear that she wanted to be told that
>she'd done the right thing and that she deserved sympathy for her "loss".
>She imposed herself on a group of people who were genuinely grieving for
>animals that they had lost, with complete disregard for how they would feel
>upon learning that she'd thrown this cat's life away like last week's trash.
>You cannot possibly have the slightest clue how heartbreaking it was to read
>that story and how many tears were shed over his tragic fate - and not just
>by me. Debbie caused a lot of people a lot of pain.
1) You assume as usual that I did not read the story and that I was
not there, simply because I did not post. You assume wrong.
2) That does not answer the question I asked: Who in the hell are you
to decide that Debbie owes you an explanation?
>I'm sure that Debbie would be more than happy to deny harrassing us, but if
>she does I'll be more than happy to post the e-mail she sent me.
I don't give a fart in the wind what Debbie is or isn't doing to you,
Beth, that has no bearing on Debbie's character. I realize this will
come as a shock to you, but agreeing with you isn't a criteria for
whether or not someone is a "good" person. This isn't about what
Debbie did to you. You're deliberately twisting things around to take
the pressure off of yourself.
This conversation is about you, and your cruelty to Debbie (among
others) and your lack of basic human kindness and compassion. And it
doesn't seem to me that with all your blustering in this post, you've
answered even one of my questions.
Since you seem unable to offer an answer to the other questions I'm
posting, let me pose this simple one: What are you gaining out of
keeping this crap up? I mean you personally. Because I don't for one
second believe you care about Fussbudget beyond making him the banner
child for your personal vendetta. And that's REALLY sick, Beth.
Rev. Tiernan
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Rev. Tiernan
>I for one couldn't care less what Debbie did or did not say about her
>husband. I only care that she killed her cat.
[...]
>You're more than welcome to go and read them, in her own words, in the Deja
>archives. Search in alt.support.grief.pet-loss between May 1 and May 15,
>2000 and you'll find several threads on the subject.
[...]
>You just described the week he spent at her house, while her husband was
>abusing him. I can't see how being in a shelter could possibly been any
>worse than what he did go through while in her "care".
[...]
>Correction: the fact that she killed her cat makes her one. Not that I've
>seen anyone screaming "cat murderer" at anyone - you're putting words into
>our mouths. Tsk, tsk.
(the term has been used... by others in reference to this thread, and
by you many, many times to other people in other threads over the past
year. Don't be disingenuous.)
>But you have no problem judging Helen and me.
Not even a little bit of one, no. You guys are a bunch of bullies.
>The key words here are "may be". You are drawing your own conclusions based
>upon nothing but pure conjecture and wishful thinking.
And a heaping dose of facts, something that by your own admission you
don't have WRT Debbie's state of mind at the time.
>Feel free to have as much compassion as you like for Debbie. I'll save mine
>for Fussbudget. HE is the victim here, not her.
If I thought for a second your true goal was promoting compassion for
Fussbudget, I'd be a lot more impressed with your arguments. For over
a year, however, I've seen you bully people, spew vileness and cruelty
and attack people over and over for no greater crime than disagreeing
with you and for standing up for themselves. You and your little band
of stormtroopers happened to hit me in the right mood this time and I
spoke up. Twisting people's actions around out of context, making up
outright lies to support your so-called "facts" and then throwing the
entire concoction in people's faces over and over and over and over
again for months and months is your modus operandi, Beth. Do you
really expect anyone outside of your cadre of schoolyard bullies to
believe that your true motivation for all this nastiness is compassion
for everyone's cats?
But lest you think I just happened upon your little sideshow last week
sometime and decided to flame you, let me adjust your attitude a bit.
I grieved when Goldy crossed the bridge. I prayed for Waffles to get
better. I celebrated when Nic's levels dropped for his CRF. I shed a
tear for Cass. I said a prayer for Squeaker. IOW, I've been reading
the group for quite some time. And what I've noticed is you are
consistently one of the most mean-spirited bullies I've ever seen.
HTH
Rev. Tiernan
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There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of
inquisitive idiots.
Dom Runner
> I celebrated when Nic's levels dropped for his CRF.
I am sooo not getting into this fight...but thanks!
Sethran (who just found out Nic has a heart murmer and is getting him a
ultrasound this week...and this rate, the poor boy will never have a full
coat of hair)
"Just Me"
Since I'm awake, I want to say thank you on behalf of Eva when she lost
Goldie.
--
*Cheers*
~Just Me~
Please (remove your shoes) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
~Charles M. Schulz
"Dom Runner" <domr...@home.com> wrote in message
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Beth
> posting, let me pose this simple one: What are you gaining out of
> keeping this crap up? I mean you personally. Because I don't for one
> second believe you care about Fussbudget beyond making him the banner
> child for your personal vendetta. And that's REALLY sick, Beth.
Tsk, tsk - there you go, getting all judgmental again. Methinks you need to
brush up on your ministerial skills, because you seem to be having a bit of
difficulty with the compassion and understanding that you expect others such
as myself to practice. It's the old "do as I say, not as I do" pitfall -
surely there must be a refresher course you can take to help you overcome
that?
*You* are the one who came into this thread several days after people
stopped posting to it and stirred it up again, claiming to have been lurking
here, and now suddenly claiming to have been lurking over on the pet loss ng
a year ago. That is a few too many oh-so-convenient coincidences. Nice
try, but I'm not buying it.
*Plonk*
Rev. Tiernan
>Rev. Tiernan <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
>news:9fepiq$jt9$1...@valis.databasix.com...
>> Beyond this place, there be "Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net>:
>>
>> Since you seem unable to offer an answer to the other questions I'm
>> posting, let me pose this simple one: What are you gaining out of
>> keeping this crap up? I mean you personally. Because I don't for one
>> second believe you care about Fussbudget beyond making him the banner
>> child for your personal vendetta. And that's REALLY sick, Beth.
>
>Tsk, tsk - there you go, getting all judgmental again.
Why yes, how nice of you to notice.
>Methinks you need to
>brush up on your ministerial skills, because you seem to be having a bit of
>difficulty with the compassion and understanding that you expect others such
>as myself to practice.
It's not so much a question of whether or not I expect you to have
compassion, rather than a statement that I don't think you've ever
come closer to the word than Webster's.
>It's the old "do as I say, not as I do" pitfall -
>surely there must be a refresher course you can take to help you overcome
>that?
You're functioning on the assumption that I'm a Christian. I'm not.
Or do you think only Christians have Reverends?
>*You* are the one who came into this thread several days after people
>stopped posting to it and stirred it up again, claiming to have been lurking
>here, and now suddenly claiming to have been lurking over on the pet loss ng
>a year ago.
You mean I threw something in your face after it should have been a
long-dead issue? Damn. Where *would* I have learned that?
>That is a few too many oh-so-convenient coincidences. Nice
>try, but I'm not buying it.
>
>*Plonk*
I didn't figure you'd be able to answer the questions, Beth.
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
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"It seems no one can help me now
I'm in too deep, there's no way out
This time I have really led myself astray"
-- Soul Asylum, "Runaway Train"
"Just Me"
debate with you, and you block her?
(I see your tail between your legs, Beth)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
~Just Me~
Please (don't reply) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
~Charles M. Schulz
"Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Beth
news:9ff7ra$7kem$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com...
> Unbelievable!!!! The first person I see who seems to have what it takes
to
> debate with you, and you block her?
>
> (I see your tail between your legs, Beth)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
Just because you are too stupid to recognize a troll when you see one,
doesn't mean that I am.
fau...@swirve.com
wrote:
>I hate to say Amen... but Rev., you should delurk more often. There are
>some hateful, hateful, hateful folks in here.
I couldn't agree more. It's the main reason I've pretty much given up on
this group. Some of the regulars are absolutely *vicious*.
And what's really funny is their whining about Phil's sharp tongue. But
he never attacks people without provocation. (Hint: see him in this
thread? Nope.)
>When it comes to these folks, I wonder where they come from in real life. Where
>are their families, and do they have any to give them the compassion of forgiveness
>in real life?
You're kidding, right?
--
" A home without a cat, and a well-fed, well-petted and properly revered cat,
may be the perfect home, perhaps, but how can it prove its title?" -Mark Twain
fau...@swirve.com
wrote:
>Unbelievable!!!! The first person I see who seems to have what it takes to
>debate with you, and you block her?
You must have missed her plonking of Karen a few weeks ago.
--
"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals."
--Immanuel Kant
John and Debbie Trujillo
>
>>> This has to be one of the cruelest, most childish and vicious remarks
>>> I have *ever* seen. Quite frankly, the viciousness and cruelty of
>>> some of the remarks I've seen directed towards Debbie for something
>>> that happened *a year ago* don't lend one solitary crumb of
>>> credibility to her detractors.
>>
>> I absolutely agree. It is indeed cruel, childish and vicious. Unfortunately,
>> I didn't say it, Debbie did - I'm merely quoting her.
>
> Entirely out of context, it bears pointing out.
I would like to point out that this was something I emailed privately to
Helen and did not post. I did a Google search to confirm this. Helen, if
you can find that posting and prove me wrong, please do so. Since it wasn't
repeated here I will quote it: "Still wishing your husband had died of
cancer so you didn't 'have to' put Fussbudget to sleep, Debbie?" I don't
recall exactly what I said but I do recall that what I had said was
something along the ling that I had wished cancer on my husband the night
before Fuss was put to sleep because I was upset over the whole issue and
wanted to keep Fuss around. Your quoting me in the newsgroup on something
I said to you in a private email seems like bad net Netiquette to me.
>> It is a perfect
>> example of Debbie not taking responsibility for her actions. She stood by
>> while said husband threw Fussbudget across the room, and then wished he
>> would die of cancer so she didn't have to try to stop him. Of course, he
>> didn't die of cancer but unfortunately she still didn't stop him.
You are misquoting me here. My husband did not throw Fussbudget across the
room and I never said he did. I said that he roughly shoved Fussbudget off
the kitchen table and our bed. In each case, Fussbudget landed on the floor
next to the table or bed and not somewhere across the room. Also, I did ask
him several times not to handle Fuss so roughly because he was old.
>
--
Debbie Trujillo
Visit my website at http://www.homestead.com/debbietrujillo/index.html
Save money by shopping online at
http://www.ebates.com/index.jsp?referrer=deb...@mediaone.net
"Just Me"
have had health problems in here for over a year? Seems to me he's been
lurking quite successfully and compassionately to know of these animal's
ailments and crossovers to RB.
If he was a troll, he would've wreaked havoc in here long before. He seems
to be coming down on you and your cronies. That's not a troll, that's just
someone who is speaking the truth. Besides, look at other posters coming
out in this thread that are agreeing with "the troll".
~Just Me~
Please (think twice) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
~Charles M. Schulz
"Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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zuz...@webtv.net
>Unbelievable!!!! The first person I see
>who seems to have what it takes to
>debate with you, and you block her?
>(I see your tail between your legs,
>Beth)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
Wrong.
Unlike you, Beth knows a troll when she sees one and knows the proper
way to deal with it, unlike many members of this newsgroup, including
you. This "Reverend" has been a regular on several "flame" newsgroups
for a long time and writes posts with titles such as "Jesus Butt
Fucked." She hasn't been lurking here for "years." She is most likely
one of Debbie's little "friends" and has obviously been given pertinent
info by Debbie (who has lurked here for a long time) to make it seem as
though she has been "around." She has only posted assumption, lies and
false accusations without any facts to back anything up, has extremely
weak arguments, and is the worst sort of hypocrite. It doesn't surprise
me, though, that you are so quick to jump into bed with this sort, as
you are even more vile, hypocritical and mean spirited than she or those
that you accuse. If you're smart, you'll go back to lurk mode and shut
that nasty little trap of yours, as what you've been posting so far has
done nothing to bolster people's opinions of you. It doesn't matter how
long you stay away. You can hope that people have forgotten what you are
when you show up again, BUT there will ALWAYS be some of us here that
remember every ugly detail about the kind of person you are and what you
did, and will be only too happy to share that information with others.
(It would serve you well to start your own group on Google, and you can
invite all your disgusting little "friends" that have posted things here
(and in the pet loss group) showing they have no problem either
committing or allowing the abuse and/or unnecessary killing of innocent
creatures.)
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
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"Just Me"
a nasty BIG trap... it's you. I don't give one hoot if you have condemned
me for what I've done in the past. I don't give a hoot if you feel the urge
to speak your nasties to me for the next ten years in here. I don't care
what opinions you or your cronies have.
Contrary to your beliefs, you don't own this news group.
--
~Just Me~
Please (think twice) before replying.
<zuz...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Beth
>A troll? What about all the comments the Rev. made on the cats/dogs that
>have had health problems in here for over a year?
Information that could easily have come from a Deja search, or from someone
giving her cues. I would hardly call that compelling evidence.
>If he was a troll, he would've wreaked havoc in here long before.
What makes you think that? Trolls can pop up anywhere, at any time, for any
reason.
>He seems to be coming down on you and your cronies. That's not a troll,
that's just
> someone who is speaking the truth.
LOL! You crack me up sometimes. :-)
> Besides, look at other posters coming
> out in this thread that are agreeing with "the troll".
Like who? "Camille Klein", someone who (like your friend the Reverend) just
materialized out of nowhere, whose last name is nearly identical to the
Reverend's (whose real name, according to the website in her sig, is Joanne
Kline), and whose post headers bear an eerie resemblance to Joanne Kline's?
I am unimpressed.
Laurie, I am not afraid of debate, nor do I shrink from it - you of all
people should know that. But I know a troll when I smell one, and trolls do
not engage in debate. I'm not getting sucked into the Reverend's little
sideshow. Sorry if that puts a damper on your day, but you'll just have to
learn to live with disappointment.
Rev. Tiernan
>Laurie, I am not afraid of debate, nor do I shrink from it - you of all
>people should know that. But I know a troll when I smell one, and trolls do
>not engage in debate. I'm not getting sucked into the Reverend's little
>sideshow. Sorry if that puts a damper on your day, but you'll just have to
>learn to live with disappointment.
Lessee... out of some 80,000 newsgroups I just happened to find this
one and just happened to decide it would be cool to post here and bug
you, and I wasted several hours of my time out of my life to do a deja
seach just to troll YOU, Beth. Is that what you're trying to say?
Heh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
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"The journey our individual souls take is distinctly our own."
-- Christopher Angelo
http://www.ingonyama.com/tiernan/ meow.
Rev. Tiernan
>Laurie wrote:
>>Unbelievable!!!! The first person I see
>>who seems to have what it takes to
>>debate with you, and you block her?
>>(I see your tail between your legs,
>>Beth)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
>
>Wrong.
>Unlike you, Beth knows a troll when she sees one and knows the proper
>way to deal with it, unlike many members of this newsgroup, including
>you. This "Reverend" has been a regular on several "flame" newsgroups
>for a long time and writes posts with titles such as "Jesus Butt
>Fucked."
How'd I know you'd crawl out from under the rock next, Megan? Gee.
>She hasn't been lurking here for "years." She is most likely
>one of Debbie's little "friends" and has obviously been given pertinent
>info by Debbie (who has lurked here for a long time) to make it seem as
>though she has been "around." She has only posted assumption, lies and
>false accusations without any facts to back anything up, has extremely
>weak arguments, and is the worst sort of hypocrite.
"assumption, lies and false accusations". Mheh.
Don't mirrors *suck*, Megan?
>It doesn't surprise
>me, though, that you are so quick to jump into bed with this sort, as
>you are even more vile, hypocritical and mean spirited than she or those
>that you accuse.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
>If you're smart, you'll go back to lurk mode and shut
>that nasty little trap of yours, as what you've been posting so far has
>done nothing to bolster people's opinions of you.
Bossy little cunt, aren't you?
>It doesn't matter how
>long you stay away. You can hope that people have forgotten what you are
>when you show up again, BUT there will ALWAYS be some of us here that
>remember every ugly detail about the kind of person you are and what you
>did, and will be only too happy to share that information with others.
You know what you're problem is, dear? You don't like being shown for
what you are. That's kind of apparent when the second you get treated
by anyone the way you are treating everyone else, you throw a
screaming temper tantrum.
I wouldn't trust you with my niece's stuff plush toy cat, let alone a
flesh and blood one. You're too unpredictable, spiteful and mean.
>(It would serve you well to start your own group on Google, and you can
>invite all your disgusting little "friends" that have posted things here
>(and in the pet loss group) showing they have no problem either
>committing or allowing the abuse and/or unnecessary killing of innocent
>creatures.)
More bullying. *tsk tsk* Since we're on the subject of what would
serve people well, perhaps you should keep in mind that it would serve
you well to remember you aren't in charge here. It's a public
unmoderated newsgroup and if anyone wants to speak up and stand up to
the local schoolyard bullies, they can do that. And you're pretty
much SOL when it comes to doing much of anything about it.
Problem is, you and your group are so mind-bogglingly hateful and
vicious that most folks will back down from you rather than risk your
mindless spewing. So you've all gotten used to swaggering around
acting like you can tell people here what to do. Congratulations,
Megan: You've just run into a cat lover who doesn't really give a
fart in the wind what you think you can dig up.
Quite frankly, I couldn't care less what you think of me, or my
motivations. I'm just sick of coming here to read for information on
cat health and behavior, and being treated to yet another disgusting
display of your schoolyard bullying tactics.
I commented to another occasional lurker just the other night that I
wondered how long it would take one of Beth's pet stormtroopers to dig
up my usual Usenet haunts and try to throw them in my face. That does
seem to be your collective modus operandi. I suppose throwing things
in someone's face beats facing your own ugliness of spirit, doesn't
it?
I'm not the slightest bit concerned with what you think, Megan. I've
seen too much evidence to suggest that you *don't*.
Rev. Tiernan
--
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Launching Device And Blast The Shit Out Of Whoever And Whatever Has
Been Bothering You Until You Feel Better Or The Police Come Around And
Make You Stop, Whichever Comes First.
-- Flaagg, mhm9x12
Rev. Tiernan
>...This "Reverend" has been a regular on several "flame" newsgroups
>for a long time and writes posts with titles such as "Jesus Butt
>Fucked."
Jeez I just happened to catch this in your post. If I wanted to find
proof that you twist things to suit your own agenda, I couldn't have
done better myself. Thank you for handing me such a prime example.
You didn't read the post at all, did you? You read the title, and
either made some assumptions, or else figured you could spew that
piece of information without relating the context and people would
magically up and decide you were right.
However: in context it becomes apparent that the post was in response
to a fellow who goes by "Jesus Slut Fucker" and who was signing me up
for gay mailing lists. The title is a play on his name and refers to
him having been busted for it.
Oh, but nobody has to take my word for it. Here's the URL:
You forgot to mention that part, though, didn't you? I have a
question for you, Megan. How come you aren't able to debate openly
and honestly without resorting to lies and false smear campaign
tactics? If you're really right, and I'm really wrong, shouldn't
those truths be apparent without the mud throwing?
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
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zuz...@webtv.net
<baseless vitriol snipped>
Well, that pretty much sums it up and makes it very clear that you have
not been lurking here and came to troll(most likely at Debbie's behest).
Thanks for proving me right. :-)
CatL...@nospam.com
>
>
> Laurie, I am not afraid of debate, nor do I shrink from it - you of all
Who cares what you are afraid of. Stop off topic posting....NOW!
CatL...@nospam.com
Rev. Tiernan
>Rev. Tiernan wrote:
><baseless vitriol snipped>
>Well, that pretty much sums it up and makes it very clear that you have
>not been lurking here and came to troll(most likely at Debbie's behest).
>Thanks for proving me right. :-)
>
>Megan
You'd like to think so, Megan, wouldn't you? And you'd like to think
that "Megan Says So, So It Must Be The Truth".
Actually, I don't even know Debbie personally. None of these
newsgroup regulars have ever had any email conversations with me prior
to my posting.
Why do you find it so hard to accept that you're really that obnoxious
and hateful that someone would get this fed up with you?
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
Smeetered Bitch#8 WSD#25 NekkidFlonker#2 Official "I Am Spooge" Lits Elf
齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻
You can tell the quality of a person by how they treat people they
don't need.
Optional Identity
<mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote this shit in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
Hello everyone in alt.flame. I would like to introduce you to Beth.
The Rev. you already know. Beth is a really nasty piece of work, who
when soundly beaten in an argument likes to resort to nasty tactics,
like name calling and so forth. Sound familiar? She even google
searches her opponents and then accuses them of trolling and plonks
them without ever addressing the questions raised, that has to ring
bells with some of you huh? Notice, however that she has yet to
actually fag lame anyone. This is clearly on oversight on her part.
I am bringing her to light, because I think it is high time seefood
got laid, and I really think Beth is a little short on recent sexual
experience as well.
Seefood, this is Beth, Beth, Seefood. Enjoy.
Optional Identity
wrote this shit in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>""Just Me"" <just...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
Translation: I plonked her because I couldn't answer her questions,
now I call her a troll, to justify the plonking.
I have been having *such* fun reading this thread. I like to watch the
truly vicious fail miserably in a reasoned debate. SO much fun in fact
that I felt I should take it upon myself to share this thread with
others who would enjoy it.
Some of the people in the groups I have added, are, I must admit, real
trolls, sorry about that. Some of them may come into your group and
try to disrupt it. I hope they don't. OTOH quite a few of them will
get along hard laugh at Beth and Megan and maybe even Helen. This is a
good thing.
Optional Identity
shit in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>Laurie wrote:
Megan, Megan, Megan, you are as nasty as Beth, aren't you? I would
like to introduce you to alt.flame as well. You will get along well
with the others in there. You are more articulate than the average
denizen of that iniquitous group, and about a banal as they are used
to. I would like to introduce you to a man who, like you, has no
friends and that's the way he likes it. I say I would like to, but I
am pretty sure he has plonked me. In case he hasn't: Menjy have a
little chat with Megan, if you have nothing better to do that is, she
*does* need your special brand of attention, IMO.
fau...@swirve.com
wrote:
>A troll? What about all the comments the Rev. made on the cats/dogs that
>have had health problems in here for over a year? Seems to me he's been
>lurking quite successfully and compassionately to know of these animal's
>ailments and crossovers to RB.
>
>If he was a troll, he would've wreaked havoc in here long before. He seems
>to be coming down on you and your cronies. That's not a troll, that's just
>someone who is speaking the truth.
Precisely. Redefining the term "troll" to suit their own self-serving
purposes won't cut it with people who know better.
BTW, I hope you won't let Megan scare you away with her petty, spiteful
threats. I've seen her run off new posters when she climbs aboard a
soapbox and starts screeching at them; we certainly don't need to lose
another poster, particularly one with the backbone to stand up to the
resident bullies.
John and Debbie Trujillo
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:59:33 -0500 (CDT), zuz...@webtv.net wrote this
> shit in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>
>> Laurie wrote:
>>> Unbelievable!!!! The first person I see
>>> who seems to have what it takes to
>>> debate with you, and you block her?
>>> (I see your tail between your legs,
>>> Beth)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
>>
She hasn't been lurking here for "years." She is most likely
>> one of Debbie's little "friends" and has obviously been given pertinent
>> info by Debbie (who has lurked here for a long time) to make it seem as
>> though she has been "around."
Megan, you are full of shit. I didn't even know the Reverend existed until
I read her posts yesterday.
John and Debbie Trujillo
> zuz...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> Well, that pretty much sums it up and makes it very clear that you have
>> not been lurking here and came to troll(most likely at Debbie's behest).
Wrong! I had nothing to do with this. I was away from my computer and out
of town for a couple days when this person started posting.
>> Thanks for proving me right. :-)
>>
>> Megan
--
fau...@swirve.com
zuz...@webtv.net wrote:
>Rev. Tiernan wrote:
><baseless vitriol snipped>
You want to see baseless vitriol, Megan? Take a look at this:
It doesn't surprise me, though, that you are so quick to jump into bed
with this sort, as you are even more vile, hypocritical and mean
spirited than she or those that you accuse.
Is this vitriolic enough for you?
If you're smart, you'll go back to lurk mode and shut that nasty
little trap of yours, as what you've been posting so far has done
nothing to bolster people's opinions of you.
How' bout this?
It doesn't matter how long you stay away. You can hope that people
have forgotten what you are when you show up again, BUT there will
ALWAYS be some of us here that remember every ugly detail about the
kind of person you are and what you did, and will be only too happy to
share that information with others.
I can find lots more where those came from.
You are fscking *EVIL*, Megan. I don't care how much work you do to
provide people with useful information about cats, *nothing* gives you
the right to talk to someone else like that just because they had the
temerity to disagree with you.
>Well, that pretty much sums it up and makes it very clear that you have
>not been lurking here and came to troll(most likely at Debbie's behest).
>Thanks for proving me right. :-)
Translation: After showing Beth for the mean-spirited, spiteful bully
that she is, you next exposed all my warts. Waaahh!
>"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
>nothing."
Exactly. And that's why good people are now starting to speak up
against the ugliness a few of you insist on perpetuating.
zuz...@webtv.net
>How come you aren't able to debate
>openly and honestly without resorting to
>lies and false smear campaign tactics?
I didn't lie. I posted the title of your post exactly as you wrote it,
and made no claims as to the content of your post because it doesn't
matter. The wording used in the title spoke volumes, regardless of
intent, and that was the only point I made. There was and is no need on
my part to "resort" to anything, as you continue to plainly illustrate
with great abandon what little (read zero) knowledge you have of Beth,
me, her or my motives, or any history on this group. I also am not
interested in debating with people who cannot get or keep their facts
straight and resort to lies to make a point, which you have done
numerous times. Add to this the sudden descent of numerous "new " (read
fabricated or called on by you) posters in this thread whose only intent
is to fan the flames, and it becomes plain for all to see that trolling
is your main objective. Your ill informed and misguided defense of
Debbie was nothing more than a way to get your foot in the door and
start a flame war. You can protest, you can continue to call me names,
you can continue with your incorrect assumptions, uneducated blather and
hypocrisy. It matters not to me, as I know what you're really about,
and, while I don't have a killfile, I have no problem ignoring you and
your gaggle of goonies. After all, ignoring a troll IS the best way to
deal with one. ;-)
Bye now.
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
Rev. Tiernan
>Like who? "Camille Klein", someone who (like your friend the Reverend) just
>materialized out of nowhere, whose last name is nearly identical to the
>Reverend's
? Okay, lemme take a look at this one.
Joanne Kline
Camille Klein
Damn, how could anyone tell those two names apart?
>(whose real name, according to the website in her sig, is Joanne
>Kline),
So you decided to go hang around on my website? Cool. Was this
before or after you plonked me, you netstalking weirdo.
>and whose post headers bear an eerie resemblance to Joanne Kline's?
An "eerie" resemblance? You have got to be frigging kidding. We post
from the same posting host. That would happen to be the sole
"resemblance".
By your rationale, there are only about 1500 people posting to all of
Usenet, Beth, since you seem to think that each person has their own
unique posting host and nobody else posting from DataBasix could
possibly be anyone but me.
>I am unimpressed.
Me too. You're not exactly the most observant net-stalker I've ever
had.
>Laurie, I am not afraid of debate, nor do I shrink from it - you of all
>people should know that. But I know a troll when I smell one, and trolls do
>not engage in debate. I'm not getting sucked into the Reverend's little
>sideshow. Sorry if that puts a damper on your day, but you'll just have to
>learn to live with disappointment.
You actually don't need my help proving you're a spiteful wretch,
Beth. You do that just fine all on your own.
Rev. Tiernan
<deb...@mediaone.net>:
>on 6/4/01 6:12 PM,Optional Identity wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:59:33 -0500 (CDT), zuz...@webtv.net wrote this
>> shit in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>>
>>> Laurie wrote:
>>>> Unbelievable!!!! The first person I see
>>>> who seems to have what it takes to
>>>> debate with you, and you block her?
>>>> (I see your tail between your legs,
>>>> Beth)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
>>>
> She hasn't been lurking here for "years." She is most likely
>>> one of Debbie's little "friends" and has obviously been given pertinent
>>> info by Debbie (who has lurked here for a long time) to make it seem as
>>> though she has been "around."
>
>Megan, you are full of shit. I didn't even know the Reverend existed until
>I read her posts yesterday.
Debbie's right. I've never had any email correspondence with any of
the regs in this newsgroup, actually, until after I took issue with
the way Debbie was being treated.
It just seems to me that a lot more useful cat health information
could be exchanged if people weren't afraid of getting ripped into all
the time, particularly when it happens because of assumptions. I'd
like to see more of people like Phil posting: now there's a guy with
some seriously useful information to share and he doesn't seem to feel
the need to berate and harass people.
It's a pity, too. I've seen both Megan and Helen post useful, helpful
information. They could if they chose be wonderful people, and I
can't understand why they choose to be so unpleasant. If only they
were just a bit gentler with people, think how many *cats* would
benefit from people being more willing to listen to them and ask their
advice. I can't recall Beth having much to offer aside from ripping
people apart when they don't do things the way she thinks they should,
though.
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
Smeetered Bitch#8 WSD#25 NekkidFlonker#2 Official "I Am Spooge" Lits Elf
јЄКА`АКЄј,ИИ,јЄКА`АКЄј,ИИ,јЄКА`АКЄј,ИИ,јЄКА`АКЄјЄКА`АКЄј,ИИ,јЄКА`АКЄј,ИИ,јЄКА`АКЄј
"With the Internet, the greatest disseminator of bad data and bad
information the universe has ever known, it's become impossible to
trust any news from any source at all because it's all filtered
through this crazy yenta gossip line."
-- Harlan Ellison
zuz...@webtv.net
>You are fscking *EVIL*, Megan. I don't
>care how much work you do to provide
>people with useful information about cats,
>*nothing* gives you the right to talk to
>someone else like that just because they
>had the temerity to disagree with you.
I see you have not been here long enough to know Laurie's history, so I
will give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
Her disagreeing with me has nothing to do with the way I talked to her.
I just happen to have zero tolerance for someone who is responsible for
the abuse and death of an innocent kitten, lied about it to everyone in
an effort to garner sympathy (and to this day shows no remorse for that
poor little baby, only remorse that she got busted), who then jumps in
to defend someone else who killed an innocent cat for no good reason,
whining about people being mean spirited when she herself is evil
incarnate. If you think that's evil, then so be it.
Megan
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."
-Edmund Burke
"Just Me"
because maybe you don't understand this... you don't own this news group.
You never did. And you never will.
Yes, I lied. I LIED!!! My cat was pts and I was not honest with that. I
LIED and said she died on her own. I LIED to some people in here who today
are MY FRIENDS AGAIN. I've apologized to them, and I will apologize to them
in my heart for every day I live and learn (LIVE AND LEARN... do you know
what that means?). This is something you cannot recognize, comprehend, or
connect to because you are a narrow minded 100% total _bitch_. One way, or
hit the highway for you, missy.
I've shown my remorse to those that I hurt. To those that I've missed
terribly in my heart, and again, I will continue to do so. Karat's picture
hangs in my hallway with all the other cat's pictures. She remains on my
web page thanks to Flippy.
You don't see my remorse, because YOU aren't fucking worthy of it. Number
one, when all the shit went down and Karat died, you and your cronies called
Tigger's death a murder too. (How fucking dare you for that). You and your
cronies said that you didn't believe I had a 91 year old grandma I needed to
see when Tigger died. How fucking dare you for that too. You and your
cronies STILL say that my husband is abusive. How fucking dare you for that
and always.
I've got four cats. I will always have cats/animals. They don't eat cheap,
live cheap or even sleep cheap. I've dealt in rescue. I've stopped on the
side of the road to bury road kill. This is the *LAST* justification you
will get from me. Evil and vile falls on your shoes and on your soul, not
mine.
To think I admired you when now I despise you.
~Just Me~
<zuz...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7929-3B...@storefull-284.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
fau...@swirve.com
zuz...@webtv.net wrote:
>I didn't lie.
Uh huh.
BTW, there are these things called paragraphs. You should look into
them.
--
"Like a graceful vase, a cat, even when motionless, seems to flow."
--George Will
Robb & Janet Stevens
>
> I see you have not been here long enough to know Laurie's history, so I
> will give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
> Her disagreeing with me has nothing to do with the way I talked to her.
> I just happen to have zero tolerance for someone who is responsible for
> the abuse and death of an innocent kitten, lied about it to everyone in
> an effort to garner sympathy (and to this day shows no remorse for that
> poor little baby, only remorse that she got busted), who then jumps in
> to defend someone else who killed an innocent cat for no good reason,
> whining about people being mean spirited when she herself is evil
> incarnate. If you think that's evil, then so be it.
>
> Megan
Dear Miss Bunny,
It has been over a year and you still feel the pain and
guilt of what happened to your poor kitten. We know you
are not to blame. You were making excuses for your abusive
husband, which so many battered wives do, all the time. It
is time to bring closure. Our family has prayed for you.
I will not place myself to judge anyone, but Megan is
evil. She is slandering you and others. I know this
because God will show them the way.
My youngest son has written a poem this evening and I
would like to share:
"Miss Bugs Bunny you are feeling sad again tonight,
but don't let these evil words make you want to fight.
Megan will pay a big price for her terrible mistakes,
listen to what my mom says and life will be great."
Now you know why I'm so proud of my sons! :-)
Miss Bunny, we continue to read the groups but always
filter out the horrible garbage before we allow our
children to view them. Our offer is still available.
We would like you to monitor this pet group and
filter out vulgar messages so other Christian families
can view the messages without the fear of their children
reading filth. The software was designed by my husband
and is being used on various boards presently. If you
help us with this project you will be a better person.
If you should decide to accept please post your email
address and we will be in touch.
In the meantime don't pay any attention to Megan. She
is doing the Devil's work.
(In memory of Karat.)
Janet Stevens
Broken Arrow, OK.
(USA)
"Just Me"
--
*Cheers*
~Just Me~
Please (remove your shoes) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
~Charles M. Schulz
"Robb & Janet Stevens" <stev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3B1C65EE...@nospam.com...
Kiki
<snip>
Wow, it's the psychopaths... wonder what rock they crawled out from under.
Tigress
--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
|\ _,,,---,,_ Tigress
/,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/tigress
|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tig...@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.
Kiki
<snip>
Wow, it's the psychopaths! Wonder what rock they crawled out from under.
Ooh, and they learned hnow to crosspost!
"Just Me"
--
*Cheers*
~Just Me~
Please (remove your shoes) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
~Charles M. Schulz
"Robb & Janet Stevens" <stev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3B1C65EE...@nospam.com...
"Just Me"
creeping out like slime. My only words to this freaky (yet all too familiar
poster) is... they're posting from Web-TV. Some how, something tells
me........... "things that make you go hmmmm".
--
*Cheers*
~Just Me~
Please (remove your shoes) before replying.
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, and yet I am happy.
I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
~Charles M. Schulz
"Kiki" <tig...@havoc.gtf.org> wrote in message
news:9fhtfb$hjr$3...@news-int.gatech.edu...
Rev. Tiernan
>Fauxpaw wrote:
>>You are fscking *EVIL*, Megan. I don't
>>care how much work you do to provide
>>people with useful information about cats,
>>*nothing* gives you the right to talk to
>>someone else like that just because they
>>had the temerity to disagree with you.
>
>I see you have not been here long enough to know Laurie's history, so I
>will give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment.
No, that whole issue which should be long since over with is about the
time I started lurking around here after seeing some things on the pet
loss group.
Here's a suggestion: Take a cruise over to my website like your
netstalking pal Beth and visit the "about me" page. About halfway
down you'll see a pic of my tortie point, Tsu Hzi. Check out the link
to the Christmas story dedication.
As you'll see, I went through the terminal illness and loss of a very
very dearly loved and now deeply and horribly missed old friend of 14
years. She was diagnosed with lymphosarcoma in May and due to her age
and some other health considerations we elected to treat her symptoms
for her comfort and not put her through chemo. It was a *horrid* time
for me. I occasionally lurked the pet loss group because I run a pet
memorial website for the group alt.cuddle and like to keep an eye out
for info on grief resources (http://members.home.com/tiernan/) and
when Tsu became ill I started reading this group for some information
on dealing with her terminal illness in the best way for her, and you
were still on about that whole business with Karat. One of the main
reasons I elected not to post my questions was the mindless vicious
spewings of you, Helen and Beth et all. I was in no emotional shape
to be dealing with your constant, random and unprovoked verbal attacks
on people. By the time I had worked through my grief enough to feel
up to dealing with what would no doubt be eventually turned on me by
you lot I didn't have much of anything to say.
So much for your "troll" excuse, eh? Does it suck to be provided with
verifiable information about why I would have been in these newsgroups
for a year now?
That was where I first formed my opinion of you and the other small
cadre of bullies involved in that mess. I didn't believe then and
don't now that load of horse manure you people all posted about
supposedly calling the shelter to "confirm" Laurie's story. And I
thought the fact that you people would band together and tell lies
like that in order to smear someone you didn't like to be one of the
most outstanding examples of bullying, nasty, vicious behavior I have
ever seen on the 'net.
>Her disagreeing with me has nothing to do with the way I talked to her.
Oh, I'll agree with that. It has everything to do with the fact that
you're a nasty, spiteful jerk who gets off on your little newsgroup
power scheming.
>I just happen to have zero tolerance for someone who is responsible for
>the abuse and death of an innocent kitten, lied about it to everyone in
>an effort to garner sympathy (and to this day shows no remorse for that
>poor little baby, only remorse that she got busted),
If you consider your lies about calling the shelter "busted" then
you're a sadder case than you think she is.
>who then jumps in
>to defend someone else who killed an innocent cat for no good reason,
>whining about people being mean spirited when she herself is evil
>incarnate. If you think that's evil, then so be it.
I never said you were evil, Megan. I think you're just a pathetic,
nasty little schoolyard bully. A rather sad one at that. But evil?
I don't credit you with that much.
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
Smeetered Bitch#8 WSD#25 NekkidFlonker#2 Official "I Am Spooge" Lits Elf
齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻
"It seems no one can help me now
I'm in too deep, there's no way out
This time I have really led myself astray"
-- Soul Asylum, "Runaway Train"
Rev. Tiernan
>LOL!!!!!!!!! The Stevens use WebTV.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Well, if you use Beth's logic, that means they must be Megan. After
all, if only the posting host is the same in the headers then they're
"eerily similar", yes?
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
Smeetered Bitch#8 WSD#25 NekkidFlonker#2 Official "I Am Spooge" Lits Elf
齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻
Do I *look* like a fucking people person?
Helen
> It just seems to me that a lot more useful cat health information
> could be exchanged if people weren't afraid of getting ripped into all
> the time, particularly when it happens because of assumptions. I'd
> like to see more of people like Phil posting: now there's a guy with
> some seriously useful information to share and he doesn't seem to feel
> the need to berate and harass people.
That is a very strange thing to say for somebody who claims to have been
lurking here for so long. Phil "berated and harasssed" (if that's what you
want to call it) Laurie for what she did to Karat, - I found it deliciously
ironic that Fauxpaw was telling Laurie of all people that Phil only attacks
people when they deserve it. Phil regularly berates people on topics such as
declawing. I make no comment on Phil's behaviour, just an observation on
your extremely selective memory.
Helen
Dancing Gums
frankly I think I'm going to puke..
Dancing Gums
Robb & Janet Stevens wrote in message <3B1C65EE...@nospam.com>...
Karen
stev...@nospam.com wrote on 6/4/01 11:54 PM:
A little over the edge, don't you think? The true Christian way would be to
show ALL compassion. I guess that passage was missed.
Karen
Michael O'Neill
She won't find any with Seafood, and *I* wouldn't ride her with yours.
Do your own fucken dirty work.
M.
Darnit7
>Our offer is still available.
>We would like you to monitor this pet group and
>filter out vulgar messages so other Christian families
>can view the messages without the fear of their children
>reading filth.
The software was designed by my husband
and is being used on various boards presently. If you
help us with this project you will be a >>better person.
Why don't you go find a "Christian" ng then and quit infringing your beliefs on
others here and take your spam with you!
bluemaxx
"Robb & Janet Stevens" <stev...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3B1C65EE...@nospam.com...
: zuz...@webtv.net wrote:
: Miss Bunny, we continue to read the groups but always
: filter out the horrible garbage before we allow our
: children to view them. Our offer is still available.
: We would like you to monitor this pet group and
: filter out vulgar messages so other Christian families
: can view the messages without the fear of their children
: reading filth. The software was designed by my husband
: and is being used on various boards presently. If you
: help us with this project you will be a better person.
:
: If you should decide to accept please post your email
: address and we will be in touch.
:
: In the meantime don't pay any attention to Megan. She
: is doing the Devil's work.
:
: (In memory of Karat.)
:
: Janet Stevens
: Broken Arrow, OK.
: (USA)
ahhh, jeez..... take a look at what the cat dragged in. Makes me want to
hork a hairball all the way to OK.
--
Linda
"Hey, we all feel bad that your relationship has been a bad
one, but you're an adult! It's time to climb down off the cross,
use the wood to build a bridge, and get over it!" Anonymous
Unknown
In article <9fhu1v$6hek$1...@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>, "Just Me"
wrote:
>LOL!!!!!!!!! The Stevens use WebTV.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
No, they don't. Look at the headers again.
SLK03
thread than debate anyway. Me and "Bugs" have had our differences and I will
not take her side but I will not take the other side either. But since this
thread seems to be overtaking the ng I've been skimming it out of lack of
anything else to read and felt I needed to comment on one thing:
>. Our offer is still available.
>We would like you to monitor this pet group and
>filter out vulgar messages so other Christian families
>can view the messages without the fear of their children
>reading filth. The software was designed by my husband
>and is being used on various boards presently. If you
>help us with this project you will be a better person.
1....this is an unmoderated forum and doesn't need a monitor. No matter how
heated debates get this should remain a place of free speech. Don't like what
you read, then don't read it.
2....Use whatever filters you like to monitor your children...why are they in
here anyway? But you can't expect people here to talk as if they were talking
to little children. The majority of people in ng's are adults (although some
have trouble behaving like they are).
3...It appears to me that your letter was a sales pitch in disguise. No one
minds considering new products as long as those who sell them are upfront about
it. Try to keep that in mind next time.
So how much is this....20 easy payments of $49.99 plus shipping and handling
and if you call within thirty minutes you'll get a free bible? In other words
your sales pitch sounds like a sleazy infomercial....take it from someone who's
been in a sales career for almost 2 decades.
Eva Quesnell
> I have just logged onto this newsgroup, I live in Australia, and quite
> frankly I think I'm going to puke..
>
> Dancing Gums
Can you do projectile vomiting as far as Oklahoma? :) Go for it!
This Janet "person" is certainly not representative of Americans.
God forbid!!
Eva
Eva Quesnell
>
> In the meantime don't pay any attention to Megan. She
> is doing the Devil's work.
She's baaaaaack! Please help save our souls, Janet! We
don't know what to do without your mighty sermons and
sanctimonious platitudes.
Eva
zuz...@webtv.net
FYI you cannot change the email addy that is on the post when you post
from Web TV.
It will always say the exact addy it's coming from, and there is no way
to put even a NOSPAM in the addy. Make sure to ask WebTV about that when
you call. :-)
zuz...@webtv.net
>they're posting from Web-TV. Some how,
>something tells me........... "things that
>make you go hmmmm".
Are you accusing me of posting that Laurie? That's never been my style,
but if you think it's me I suggest you forward it to ab...@webtv.net and
make sure to tell them that you suspect it's me. You can also call
1-800-GO-WEBTV and talk to them personally as well.
zuz...@webtv.net
>Busted? Who the fuck are you, Megan?
>Wanna be cop? I'll say it again because
>maybe you don't understand this... you
>don't own this news group. You never did.
>And you never will.
about"owning" the newsgroup,
>Yes, I lied. I LIED!!! My cat was pts and >I was not honest with that.
I LIED and
>said she died on her own. I LIED to some
>people in here who today are MY
>FRIENDS AGAIN.
And to this day you continue to lie, and are doping so right now.
Nothing has changed
>I've apologized to
>them, and I will apologize to them in my
>heart for every day I live and learn (LIVE
>AND LEARN... do you know what that
>means?). This is something you cannot
>recognize, comprehend, or connect to
>because you are a narrow minded 100%
>total _bitch_. One way, or hit the highway
>for you, missy.
>I've shown my remorse to those that I
>hurt. To those that I've missed terribly in
>my heart, and again, I will continue to do
>so. Karat's picture hangs in my hallway
>with all the other cat's pictures. She
>remains on my web page thanks to Flippy.
The people that have heard your empty "regrets" and "apologies" and have
forgiven you are very few in number and also incredibly naive. It's a
shame, really.
>You don't see my remorse, because
>YOU aren't fucking worthy of it.
No....I don't see any because you don't have any.
>Number one, when all the shit went down
>and Karat died, you and your cronies
>called Tigger's death a murder too. (How
>fucking dare you for that).
This is a lie. I never said you murdered Tigger, and didn't post about
him. As far as I know nobody else said that either. Get the post and
link to it, or shut up. There was disgust voiced over your decision to
trollop of to visit your grandmother (which could have waited a week or
two) while he was left alone to die in a strange and stressful place
with no one there to comfort him or even visit him.
>You and your cronies said that you didn't
>believe I had a 91 year old grandma I
>needed to see when Tigger died. How
>fucking dare you for that too.
Another lie. I never have spoken of your grandmother, and don't recall
anyone accusing you of making her up. Again, show us the post, or shut
up.
>You and your cronies STILL say that my
>husband is abusive. How fucking dare you
>for that and always.
And how fucking dare you cover for an animal abuser. Cats don't suffer
massive head injuries "falling" on a carpeted stair.
>I've got four cats. I will always have
>cats/animals. They don't eat cheap, live
>cheap or even sleep cheap. I've dealt in
>rescue. I've stopped on the side of the
>road to bury road kill. This is the *LAST*
>justification you will get from me. Evil and
>vile falls on your shoes and on your soul,
>not mine.
Blah, blah, blah.
>To think I admired you when now I
>despise you.
Not half as much as I despise you, and coming from you that's a
compliment.
Rev. Tiernan
>Watakushi no kioku ga tashika naraba, Rev. Tiernan said the following in
>rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>
>> Joanne Kline
>>
>> Camille Klein
>>
>> Damn, how could anyone tell those two names apart?
>
>How could our respective husbands tell us apart? Tiernan, are you
>sleeping with Genghis?!
I don't =think= so, but maybe I'd better check with mine and make sure
he doesn't have any alter egos.
Christ. What if we're married to the same guy? Poor bastard, all the
risks of bigamy and none of the benefits if he married two women he
can't tell apart.
>> So you decided to go hang around on my website? Cool. Was this
>> before or after you plonked me, you netstalking weirdo.
>
>We should introduce her to a certain netstalking freak in Massachusetts.
>Boy, wouldn't that be a match made in Hell.
Brenner? *shudder* I cringe to think. They'd give each other ideas.
The next thing you know, he'd be hanging out on people's websites
after claiming to plonk them, and she'd be calling up 60+ year old
grandmothers' workplaces and...
Oh wait. She claims to have called shelters to tell lies to them
about people she doesn't even know, doesn't she.
Crap. Too late.
Rev. Tiernan
--
mhm22x21
Smeetered Bitch#8 WSD#25 NekkidFlonker#2 Official "I Am Spooge" Lits Elf
齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻內躬偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻,虜,齯滌`偕爻
The wages of sin are eternal damnation. The hours are good, though.
Natasha
"Helen" <helena...@donotspamntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Rev. Tiernan" <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote in message
> news:9fdnf6$5c6$1...@astroconsulting.databasix.com...
> > Beyond this place, there be "Beth" <mehit...@nospam.net>:
> > >Her actions, including harrassing both Helen and myself via PEM,
> > >would seem to indicate otherwise.
> >
> > I'd like to hear both sides of THAT story before I accept it as a
> > critera for determining that Debbie isn't sincere.
>
> I can't be bothered to answer all this - I spend way too much time helping
> people with terminally cats to have the time or inclination to justify
> myself to you, plus funnily enough, I sense in your posts precisely the kind
> of judgment of Beth and myself which you are condemning us for - I don't
> think you'd believe a word we'd say. But since you ask, then yes, I too
> would dearly love to know why Debbie is sending porn to Beth and me,
When did I send you guys porn?
--
Natasha, owner of Debbie and John
Natasha
John and Debbie Trujillo
natas...@hotmail.com (Natasha) wrote:
Now, I remember. It seems one day after reading your post, I decided to
send you and Beth a couple website links just to annoy you. That was only
a couple times and it hasn't happened since and won't happen again. Just
remember who started this. I posted a topic to this group that I thought
everyone would be interested in and Beth had to start a flame war over an
old incident. Like I told you in reaction to your posting asking me if I
still wished my husband had gotten cancer, you sounded like the wicked
witch of the west.
--
Debbie Trujillo
dt
> Rev. Tiernan wrote:
> <baseless vitriol snipped>
> Well, that pretty much sums it up and makes it very clear that you have
> not been lurking here and came to troll(most likely at Debbie's behest).
Wrong! As I stated before, I don't even know the Reverend and never
knew she existed until I saw her posts in this NG. Also, I was out of
town and away from my computer when the Reverend started posting.
> Thanks for proving me right. :-) -
What do you mean?
"Just Me"
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~Just Me~
Please (remove your shoes) before replying.
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I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
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<zuz...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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FJ
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:00:41 -0400, Rev. Tiernan
> <mhm2...@removethis.flonk.org> wrote this shit in
> rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
[...]
First, for the record: I am fully aware of what plays in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav and I -completely- agree with what Tiernan has
said in that group.
> Hello everyone in alt.flame. I would like to introduce you to Beth.
> The Rev. you already know. Beth is a really nasty piece of work, who
> when soundly beaten in an argument likes to resort to nasty tactics,
> like name calling and so forth. Sound familiar? She even google
> searches her opponents and then accuses them of trolling and plonks
> them without ever addressing the questions raised, that has to ring
> bells with some of you huh? Notice, however that she has yet to
> actually fag lame anyone. This is clearly on oversight on her part.
Do your own fucking dirty work, you loathsome little prick.
I am not going to idly stand by while you try to have other people pursue
the agenda that you are simply to craven and to incompetent for, to pursue
yourself. What are you hoping for, you little twit? Massive crossposts
into rpch+b in support of an argument which does -not- need support? And to
what end? Do you wish to provoke some people into netcopping, so you can
instigate yet another one of your highly hypocritical anti-netkkkop
crusades?
You thoroughly and utterly disgust me.
So, OI, I'm offering you three options:
[1] Honour the follow-up that I set and battle it out on alt.flame. To be
honest, you're not the type, for you'll forego all the cheerleading
and support your kind seems to need to summon up the courage to post.
[2] Apply your own groupline and leave alt.flame out of it. I'll just claim
the easy spank and you'll save yourself a lot of grief and
embarrassment.
[3] Retype the original groupline. Go on, I dare you. Then you'll find out
what it is to be ruthlessly pursued in every fucking group you post to.
You want to play this game with people, OI, fine:
I'll play it with -you-.
Deal, fuckhead.
--
FJ
"Listen here, I *deleted* that article the next morning (yes -
after I'd sobered up. It was a stupid thing to post)."
-John Kerrens, posting sober.
Rev. Tiernan
>This is a lie. I never said you murdered Tigger, and didn't post about
>him. As far as I know nobody else said that either.
When Karat died, a lot of folks made some rather ugly and unfounded
insinuations about questioning Tigger's death as well. A very, very
large reason why I chose not to post while dealing with Tsu's terminal
illness.
>Get the post and
>link to it, or shut up.
You're awfully fond of telling people to shut up, Megan. I think it's
interesting the way you tried to dig up my own unrelated Usenet
activities and throw them in my face when you're considerably worse
than I ever am with this kind of behavior.
>There was disgust voiced over your decision to
>trollop of to visit your grandmother (which could have waited a week or
>two) while he was left alone to die in a strange and stressful place
>with no one there to comfort him or even visit him.
Another example of your mind-boggling cruelty. Laurie's Tigger was
acting strangely just that last day. She had a family obligation.
She did the absolute most responsible thing she could have done: She
boarded Tigger with the vet so that his condition and food intake
could be monitored. Unfortunately, Tigger had cancer and he died.
For you to rip at her over her grief for this cat and this situation
just defies belief, Megan. It is *incredibly* cruel. It is also
sadly typical of you.
When my Tsu was diagnosed, she had been acting entirely normal. We
would have never, ever known except that while grooming her one day my
husband found a small lump under her jaw, and we took her to the vet.
By this time, her lymphosarcoma had metastisized and there was nothing
we could do. We discussed options and the vet felt that chemo would
be unnecessarily hard on a cat that age and would not result in a
significant improvement in the long run for the cat's condition,
considering the cancer was already metastatic. We elected to treat
the symptoms and keep her comfy until she was no longer comfy, at
which time we would let her go. Tsu was acting entirely normal and
was in fact still playful and appeared quite happy until literally 48
hours before her passing. Over a weekend she began to deteriorate and
we watched her carefully. When she didn't get better, we took her to
the vet that Monday morning and we all agreed it was time. We didn't
want her to suffer, and we held her and talked to her and petted her
as she went on her way. The point of this entire story is that the
idea that Tigger could have been full of cancer and yet shown no other
symptoms until the last couple days is *quite* believable.
The fact that you are willing to take an innocent cat's death and use
it as a verbal club against someone just because you don't personally
like them is disgusting.
You cannot *know* that the visit could have waited a week or two. And
besides, we're talking about her *grandmother* here.
Couple years ago I visited my family and friends back in California.
There was one guy there I didn't get a chance to visit, a friend of
mine for 17 years who was practically raised in our household because
his family life sucked. He was an adored friend of my family and we
considered him a brother to us. As it happened, I had a lot of things
scheduled and while I *could* have made time to see him, I let it
slide. After all, he was in his early 30s and in perfect health, and
there was plenty of time. It could have waited a few months until I
got out for another visit.
Unfortunately, a month after I was out there he was killed in a freak
accident.
Never function on the assumption that anything like that can wait even
a couple weeks. Sometimes, it just can't.
>Another lie. I never have spoken of your grandmother, and don't recall
>anyone accusing you of making her up. Again, show us the post, or shut
>up.
A response by Laurue to Helen which contains Helen's original post
intact, in which Helen flat out says she doesn't "buy the grandmother
excuse". It is not the only one in which that was said, and she is
not the only person who said it.
Laurie took a lot of grief from people over her decision to visit her
grandmother. THAT was ridiculous. Yes, there are people here who
would forgo the grandmother visit to stay with the cat. There are
other people here who would do as Laurie did: Find the cat
responsible, observant care while she was gone. There is no moral
issue in the difference between them, they are simply personal
choices. Laurie is not a "bad" person for boarding Tigger with the
vet and visiting her grandmother and family. Trying to demonize the
woman for making a responsible arrangement for her cat so she could
visit her family is silly. And, as it turned out, Tigger was in the
best place he could have possibly been for his health.
And you should *really* stop telling people to shut up, Megan. It's
so unsociable of you.
>>You and your cronies STILL say that my
>>husband is abusive. How fucking dare you
>>for that and always.
>
>And how fucking dare you cover for an animal abuser. Cats don't suffer
>massive head injuries "falling" on a carpeted stair.
Wrong.
http://www.peteducation.com/isittrue/land_on_feet.htm
To quote:
"If cats fall a larger distance such as two or more floors, even
though they can right themselves, their legs and feet can no longer
absorb all of the shock. Their heads may hit the ground and they often
bruise their chin and may fracture some teeth. "
(and later in the same article)
"There are certainly instances of cats falling only a short distance
and acquiring severe injuries."
We're talking about adult cats in this article, BTW. Kittens' bones
are much softer and far less able to withstand the impact of even a
single-story fall. It is a common fallacy that cats can withstand a
fall of 1 story without injury. Most healthy adult cats will manage
to sustain such a fall without injury, but it is by no means a given
and a kitten is even less able to withstand a fall from that height.
And as you can see, head injuries occur with this kind of fall.
Assuming that the only injuries that a cat would sustain in a fall of
this kind would be skeletal/internal assumes the cat would have landed
on it's side. If the cat landed on her feet but her legs weren't
strong enough to support her weight falling from that height, she
would have collapsed and ... hit her head.
Karat not only could very well have acquired the injuries described in
a fall such as he experienced, it's a medically understood fact that
it DOES happen.
Carpeted or not, a floor is a floor and not a very forgiving surface
to land on. Carpeting material feels soft and springy when you walk
on it, but it is not sufficient cushioning to prevent injury in a fall
where the weight of the cat's body is multiplied by the speed of it's
fall. A 2-pound cat landing on a carpeted floor does not land with 2
pounds of force, it lands with a much larger weight of force because
of the velocity of it's fall. Basic physics.
Sounds to me like you owe someone an apology, Megan.
Rev. Tiernan
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inquisitive idiots.
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<zuz...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> The people that have heard your empty "regrets" and "apologies" and have
> forgiven you are very few in number and also incredibly naive. It's a
> shame, really.
I wish you knew who you were calling naive. They're also "friends" of
your's.
<snipped your lousy OPINION>
> This is a lie. I never said you murdered Tigger, and didn't post about
> him. As far as I know nobody else said that either. Get the post and
> link to it, or shut up. There was disgust voiced over your decision to
> trollop of to visit your grandmother (which could have waited a week or
> two) while he was left alone to die in a strange and stressful place
> with no one there to comfort him or even visit him.
No, it's *not* a lie. And I wouldn't do a search in Deja to pull up
anything regarding last year's pain. Not ever. We went to visit my
grandmother for Thanksgiving. Pardon me for wanting to be with my family.
If I had not been so concerned over Tigger, I would've left him here with
the others. But due to my concern, I took him to the vet's so they could
watch him (and monitor his food and water intake).
> >You and your cronies said that you didn't
> >believe I had a 91 year old grandma I
> >needed to see when Tigger died. How
> >fucking dare you for that too.
>
> Another lie. I never have spoken of your grandmother, and don't recall
> anyone accusing you of making her up. Again, show us the post, or shut
> up.
I think you just tripped yourself up, Megan. In one breath, you think I
should've blown off one of the dearest people in my life, and in another
breath, you say you never spoke of her? Bullshit!!
> >You and your cronies STILL say that my
> >husband is abusive. How fucking dare you
> >for that and always.
>
> And how fucking dare you cover for an animal abuser. Cats don't suffer
> massive head injuries "falling" on a carpeted stair.
How do you explain my animals living and breathing each day if my husband is
an animal abuser? And guess what's next to our stairs? A hand railing. A
flat one with a squared edge. If you'd just stop peering through a straw
for your narrow little mind, you might actually see.
>
> >I've got four cats. I will always have
> >cats/animals. They don't eat cheap, live
> >cheap or even sleep cheap. I've dealt in
> >rescue. I've stopped on the side of the
> >road to bury road kill. This is the *LAST*
> >justification you will get from me. Evil and
> >vile falls on your shoes and on your soul,
> >not mine.
> Blah, blah, blah.
Yeah... that's about the extent of your capability of thinking.
> >To think I admired you when now I
> >despise you.
> Not half as much as I despise you, and coming from you that's a
> compliment.
Don't flatter yourself. I'd give my compliment to my dog's poo before I'd
give it to you.
>
> Megan= One nasty, evil, vile, fucking bitch.
>
>
>
> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
> nothing."
>
> -Edmund Burke
What the hell would you know about a good man?????????????
Plaz
Camille Klein <nunya@damnbidness> wrote:
> "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
> If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
> You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
> I will choose a path that's clear-
> I will choose Free Will."
"-€---€----€€-€---€----€€"
J Greaves
>From: Eva Quesnell eque...@unm.edu
>Date: 05/06/01 15:36 GMT Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Pine.A41.4.33.010605...@aix10.unm.edu>
She's for real then? I thought she was being sarky!
Jeanette
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