newsgroup for pet owners?
SLK03
causes...the rhetoric and propaganda that goes with it...and all the
self-serving do gooder crap. Is there by some chance a newsgroup for pet owners
to discuss our pets and normal day to day stuff? no causes, no agendas, no
propaganda....just pets...the love we have for them, cute things they've done,
concerns we have etc? I don't mind talking about the cat population as a whole
but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to relate to others who are
simply cat moms and dads.
Dom Runner
discuss our pets here. Alot. But, being that not a one of us respect you,
we don't talk to you about our love for our own pets. And if you wanted to
talk about such things, start your own thread about it and stop inviting
flames.
Sethran
SLK03
>we don't talk to you about our love for our own pets
well since this is an open ng and posts are read by many you don't talk about
them to anyone. You talk of causes and what people should and shouldn't do and
stealing others pets and condeming others but there's very little talk of
individual cats here. As for respect, I don't respect people who are more
concerned about a cause then the cat in their own home. I would just like to
surround myself with people who have the same love for their own cats as I have
for mine and have no cause or agenda to promote. You know where the big news
for the day is that their cat did something cool or had a good checkup or wants
to talk about the problem that was discovered....all the plotting and planning
on how to steal a neighbors cats, the name calling and hatred just isn't what
having pets is about...at least not for normal pet owners.
s.holland2
news:20010617234501...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
This is rec.pets.cats.health+behaviour so people are going to discuss
health and behaviour problems. Some of the people here are very
experienced not 'activists with causes' as you describe them.
I and many others here do not consider what we do as *self-serving do
gooder crap* and if that is your opinion of cat rescue and welfare
organisations/charities work then it say's a lot about the type of
person you are.
If you only want to talk about the cute things cats have done then
this is probably not the place for you, though I am surprised that
with all your *experience* of the internet you can't find an
appropriate Ng to suit your needs.................
Please note I have not called you names or insulted you in this post.
--
Shirley
see my cat pictures at
http://communities.msn.co.uk/Friendsfamilyandfelines2
Darnit7
>I'm not the only one who would like to relate to others who are
>> simply cat moms and dads.
>
>severe, unnecessary pain in cats for no benefit for the cat.
SLK03 is no cat mom. Cat abuser and liar is what she is.
---MIKE---
issue (and understand that neither of you will change your minds), this
could become a newsgroup for pet owners again. Every time this thread
starts to die, someone starts it up again. Give it up - you can't win.
-MIKE
ver...@usa.net
Why do you persist in this? Usenet is a jungle. If you don't like what
these people are posting, you are free to ignore their posts and/or
killfile them.
Having lived for several years in countries where free speech didn't exist,
you would come to prefer the Usenet, name-calling and all. Really.
V.
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Usenet for the Web
Beth
news:oHlX6.28950$A45.4...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> SLK03 <sl...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20010617234501...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> > I'm sure I'm not the only one here getting fed up with activists and
> their
> > causes...the rhetoric and propaganda that goes with it...and all the
> > self-serving do gooder crap. Is there by some chance a newsgroup for
> pet owners
> > to discuss our pets and normal day to day stuff? no causes, no
> agendas, no
> > propaganda....just pets...the love we have for them, cute things
> they've done,
> > concerns we have etc? I don't mind talking about the cat population
> as a whole
> > but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to relate to others
> who are
> > simply cat moms and dads.
>
> If you only want to talk about the cute things cats have done then
> this is probably not the place for you, though I am surprised that
> with all your *experience* of the internet you can't find an
> appropriate Ng to suit your needs.................
I would recommend alt.cats. There are plenty of discussions on that
newsgroup that I think SLK would very much enjoy.
SLK03
cool...can sue two at a time for slander...my cats are gonna be living like
kings and queens by the time its over with more toys than they know what to do
with and vet bills will become a worry of the past. Not only does
http://members.aol.com/SLK03 show these accusations to be false but so do
videotapes, testimony from friends, family, vets, neighbors, landlords. keep
digging your own grave making false accusations of abuse where none exist. Just
remember declawing is a legal, routine, accepted, approved, minor, elective
medical procedure. Judges and jurys will not take kindly to your lies,
exagerations and misrepresentations.
SLK03
I'm willing to agree to disagree and put it to bed. I even posted a farewell on
this subject but when someone slanders me I will stand up for myself so I did
jump back in.
Gerry
"Beth" <nos...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:2SoX6.15459$aV1.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Yup, the purrfect group - alt.cats. Only discussion about the cute things
cats do everyday, and how much we love'em. SLK would likely find that group
very pleasant.
Gerry
SLK03
>health and behaviour problems. Some of the people here are very
>experienced not 'activists with causes' as you describe them.
Some not most. Ok example....someone comes in and says their cat is peeing
inappropriately....three discussions break out....attempts at blaming it on
declawing and an argument starts, people demanding that the cat be spayed and
an argument breaks out, medical problems being diagnosed that may or may not be
and critisism that the cat hasn't been to the vet. No one here seems to be
capable of simply giving advice, it always leads to arguments by activists over
their causes. There have been a few threads like this where from personal
experience simply moving the litter box to the cats corner of choice could be
the solution. It seems like folks here go for the extremes and overlook the
obvious.
>I and many others here do not consider what we do as *self-serving do
>gooder crap* and if that is your opinion of cat rescue and welfare
>organisations/charities work then it say's a lot about the type of
>person you are.
Some people here look at cats as charity cases who need saving, average pet
owners don't see their pets in the same way. I don't care what quantity of cats
you've saved, the fact is it is very different than having your own cat that
you love completely and unconditionally. I remember the strays I've found and
helped, I remember the dogs I walked as a kid but the heartache is so much
greater and the loss so much deeper when its one of your own. Every so often I
think about those furry friends of days gone by but nothing compares to the
pain and loss I have for Logan who I will miss forever and think about
everyday. I would like to associate with people who feel as I do about their
pets just as you like hanging around with those who believe in your causes. I
have a terminally ill cat and a hyperthyroid cat....I know my time is limited
and they will be gone all too soon from my life....one is 18-21, the other is
14....how much time do I have left with these two? a year? maybe 4 or 5?
Worrying about the entire cat population is not a priority for me right
now...worrying about my cats is. The day Logan died, I'm sure plenty of cats
died in shelters and yes I feel sad about that but not even close to the
devastation I felt over losing one cat. However, I am glad that there are
people like yourself who do care for the others but it doesn't give anyone a
right to arrogance or being hateful.
I could tell you stories about animals I've found, rewards turned down, things
I've done but everything I've done to help animals has come from my heart and I
don't see it as another notch in the "save" column as some of you folks do. I
don't do things to boost my status or ego....I do things from the heart with no
need for recognition. That is part of why I don't like shelter workers....that
need for recognition and the arrogance that goes along with. It turns something
good into something very self-serving.
>Please note I have not called you names or insulted you in this post.
and I thank you for that. I too hope you will take what I have said in the
right way and not take any offense to it : )
Kaare
~Kaare, Gustav and the babycat.... (whose little 2 week claws a ripping my
hands to shreds when I bottle feed him!!! I would never DREAM of declawing
him... EVER.)
>Subject: Re: newsgroup for pet owners?
>From: twinmo...@webtv.net (---MIKE---)
>Date: 6/18/01 5:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <26134-3B...@storefull-128.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Pictures of my Gustav:
http://www.geocities.com/gustavkitty
The babycat's Web page:
http://www.geocities.com/gustavkitty/babycat/webpage.html
Please Email to Gustavs...@hotmail.com
Kiki
:>SLK03 is no cat mom. Cat abuser and liar is what she is.
: cool...can sue two at a time for slander...my cats are gonna be living like
It's not slander if it is true :P.
Tigress
--
The root cause of problems is simple overpopulation. People just aren't
worth very much any more, and they know it. Makes 'em testy. ...Bev
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|,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'-' tig...@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) Cat by Felix Lee.
Kiki
: I'm willing to agree to disagree and put it to bed. I even posted a farewell on
If you're so willing to, why do you keep feeling compelled to reply to
things? If you were relaly willing to agree to disagree, you'd stop
arguing the point entirely (and avoid trying to bring up recurrances of
the arguements when it seems more like even your posts to other things not
related to declaw or populations seem wanting to get back into a fight).
This is why people are calling you a liar, SLK. You say something like
this when it is quite obvious you don't mean a word of it. You can claim I
am slanderizing you but slander means some one is saying something about
you that isn't true in order to harm you. I am neither saying anything
untrue about you and I don't know you enough to want to harm you.
ver...@usa.net
> >SLK03 is no cat mom. Cat abuser and liar is what she is.
>
> cool...can sue two at a time for slander...
Hey, don't leave me out!
V.
(snip rest of SLK poop)
SLK03
yeah it is. I'm never gonna change your mind and you will never change
mine...lets agree to disagree, its the only solution.
> Its a matter of you lying and
>misrepresenting the severity of the procedure.
call any vets office and you will find that declawing is considered a minor
procedure unlike spaying which is considered major surgery. I am only
representing what trained medical professionals have deemed it....don't like it
take it up with them not with me.
SLK03
>can you say "unconditionally" after you amputated your cats' distal
>phalanges because you didn't want to get scratched! You know, there
>*really* is something wrong with you.
I also had them neutered to stop spraying and had them spayed to stop howling.
The fact is I love my cats not just certain parts of their anatomy. Go worship
some claws.
ver...@usa.net
Hey, SLK, I thought of a good job for you (since you seem to be a washout
at telemarketing - too much time on your hands). Can our cats rent your
fat butt and use it as a scratching post?
Michelle, LVT
>call any vets office and you will find that declawing is considered a minor
>procedure unlike spaying which is considered major surgery. I am only
>representing what trained medical professionals have deemed it....don't like it
>take it up with them not with me.
>
>
Speaking as a "medical Professional" in the veterinary field, *both*
surgeries are considered MAJOR procedures, due to the fact that
anesthesia is used. If anything, declawing is more "major" than
spaying/neutering because of the use of narcotic agents to address
pain issues.... narcotic agents which are usually given prior to
surgery, right after surgery, and usually 3-4 days following surgery.
Michelle R. Lewis, LVT
To email me just remove the "kitty" AND "puppy" from my head.
Darnit7
>at telemarketing - too much time on your hands). Can our cats rent your
>fat butt and use it as a scratching post?
>
ROFLMAO! Except we don't want our cats' claws to get contaminated!
s.holland2
SLK03 <sl...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010618131217...@ng-fo1.aol.com...
> >This is rec.pets.cats.health+behaviour so people are going to
discuss
> >health and behaviour problems. Some of the people here are very
> >experienced not 'activists with causes' as you describe them.
>
> Some not most. Ok example....someone comes in and says their cat is
peeing
> inappropriately....three discussions break out....attempts at
blaming it on
> declawing and an argument starts,
Bad choice of example, I just read that thread and no mention of
declawing
>people demanding that the cat be spayed and
One person asked if the cat was spayed, no demands were made
> an argument breaks out, medical problems being diagnosed that may or
may not be
> and critisism that the cat hasn't been to the vet.
No one diagnosed a medical problem and no critisism just a suggestion
that the cat be seen by a vet to rule out possible UTI, are you
saying that is wrong or inappropriate advice ?
>No one here seems to be
> capable of simply giving advice,
Advice was given and you misrepresented it as a demand, see above
>it always leads to arguments by activists over
> their causes.
I saw no arguments by *activists*, just friendly advice from other cat
lovers !!!
There have been a few threads like this where from personal
> experience simply moving the litter box to the cats corner of choice
could be
> the solution. It seems like folks here go for the extremes and
overlook the
> obvious.
Suggesting ruling out a possible medical cause for the problem is
extreme !!!!
>
>
> Some people here look at cats as charity cases who need saving,
average pet
> owners don't see their pets in the same way.
There are cats who would be dead or suffering if it wasn't for the
volunteers that you despise so much, and it is because of the
*average* pet owner who doesn't take responsibility for their animal
and have them neutered that there is a need for the despised (by you)
cat charities and their volunteers
>I don't care what quantity of cats
> you've saved, the fact is it is very different than having your own
cat that
> you love completely and unconditionally.
I love all my cats (my own and foster cats) unconditionally, even the
ones with claws who occasionally use them on me. I wonder if you
understand the meaning of *unconditional*.
I remember the strays I've found and
> helped, I remember the dogs I walked as a kid but the heartache is
so much
> greater and the loss so much deeper when its one of your own. Every
so often I
> think about those furry friends of days gone by but nothing compares
to the
> pain and loss I have for Logan who I will miss forever and think
about
> everyday.
You have the arrogance to assume that you know how much pain I feel at
the death of any of the cats in my care !!!!!!! When did you become a
telepath/empath ?
I would like to associate with people who feel as I do about their
> pets just as you like hanging around with those who believe in your
causes.
Maybe you could enlighten me about what my causes are ? If you mean
the fact I believe every cat should be in a home where it is loved as
the unique individual creature it is and not subjected to uneccessary
*major* medical procedures that only benefit the owner, then yes you
could say that is a cause.
> The day Logan died, I'm sure plenty of cats
> died in shelters and yes I feel sad about that but not even close to
the
> devastation I felt over losing one cat. However, I am glad that
there are
> people like yourself who do care for the others but it doesn't give
anyone a
> right to arrogance or being hateful.
The only arrogance I have seen is yours in assuming you know how much
I love the cats I have cared for and that I love any of them less than
you do yours !!!!!!
>
> I could tell you stories about animals I've found, rewards turned
down, things
> I've done but everything I've done to help animals has come from my
heart and I
> don't see it as another notch in the "save" column as some of you
folks do. I
> don't do things to boost my status or ego....I do things from the
heart with no
> need for recognition. That is part of why I don't like shelter
workers....that
> need for recognition and the arrogance that goes along with. It
turns something
> good into something very self-serving.
I find it insulting that you see my involvement in cat rescue as a
boost to my ego and every cat I have fostered as a notch in the save
column. I can assure you that if I wanted recognition I would do
something a lot more noticable that foster rescue cats lol. You do
have a very warped idea as to why people do volunteer work.
>
> >Please note I have not called you names or insulted you in this
post.
>
> and I thank you for that. I too hope you will take what I have said
in the
> right way and not take any offense to it : )
Your reply was both insulting and offensive
s.holland2
> I also had them neutered to stop spraying and had them spayed to
stop howling.
> The fact is I love my cats not just certain parts of their anatomy.
Go worship
> some claws.
Neutering is done to stop cats from breeding and adding to the ever
growing cat population that end up in the care of the *despised* (by
you) rescue centres, the reduction in spraying and howling is an added
benefit to owners.
SLK03
>surgeries are considered MAJOR procedures, due to the fact that
>anesthesia is used.
then that puts teeth cleaning in the category of major procedures. Obviously
anytime a cat goes under there is a risk but looking at the surgeries alone
declawing is considered minor and spaying is considered major as it is an
invasive surgery.
>If anything, declawing is more "major" than
>spaying/neutering because of the use of narcotic agents to address
>pain issues.... narcotic agents which are usually given prior to
>surgery, right after surgery, and usually 3-4 days following surgery.
Wrong! my cats all came home within 24 hours, completely alert and not on any
medication besides clauvamox, no signs whatsoever of being "drugged". They
showed no signs of pain other than irritation with abdominal stitches. They
wanted to run and jump as if nothing was done to their paws....obviously I
followed instructions and curtailed that activity. Obviously my vet handles
things much differently than you or your vet and I'm grateful for it....14+
years ago I made the right choice in a vet.
SLK03
>the death of any of the cats in my care !!!!!!! When did you become a
>telepath/empath ?
don't get so defensive....its normal to feel greater sadness for those we are
closest to and that goes for hearing about a neighbors death vs hearing of a
loved one's death. It is very different having a cat from the time it is weeks
old knowing you will go through good times and bad, watch them grow up, grow
old and possibly sick and eventually die than caring for cute foster kitties
and giving them away after a few short weeks or months without the lifetime
responsibility and devotion. The fact that you can give a cat away makes us
very different in how we love our cats.
>The only arrogance I have seen is yours in assuming you know how much
>I love the cats I have cared for and that I love any of them less than
>you do yours !!!!!!
Do you have your own cats besides fosters? Could you give away your cats like
you do fosters? Say yes and you don't love your cats like I love mine. Say no
and you have made my point that there is a difference between being a pet owner
and a rescue worker. Hypothetical question: Would you rather have the same 3
cats (with lifespans close to ours) for your entire life or 10+ cats over the
course of your life?
>I find it insulting that you see my involvement in cat rescue as a
>boost to my ego and every cat I have fostered as a notch in the save
>column. I can assure you that if I wanted recognition I would do
>something a lot more noticable that foster rescue cats lol. You do
>have a very warped idea as to why people do volunteer work.
alot of it is self-serving. One who does a good deed from the heart doesn't
brag about it and use it to gain status even if it would be for their benefit
to publicize it. You have made it clear to everyone about your good deeds....if
they were as unselfish as you say you would keep them to yourself and just feel
good about it.
>Your reply was both insulting and offensive
oh well, wasn't meant to be but your post shows you are very defensive so am
not suprised you took it the way you did.
SLK03
>growing cat population that end up in the care of the *despised* (by
>you) rescue centres,
that's the reason an acticvist would give. As a pet owner the one and only
reason Damien was neutered is cause he kept spraying my screens and I couldn't
even get fresh air to breathe. Falkor was spayed cause she howled. Logan was
spayed cause the temptation was too great to breed her and her being retarded
they didn't know what she would do....I couldn't deal with the thought that she
might not have known what to do and may have killed the kittens. Cujo was
neutered due to an undescended testicle and because he was peeing on my bed.
>the reduction in spraying and howling is an added
>benefit to owners.
It was 100% my reason for choosing those procedures. No added benefit....THE
benefit!!!
SLK03
>about declawing but you... a know nothing...
The Know nothing who has had firsthand experience that contradict what her
textbooks say. My cats were not on pain medication, did not come home drugged
and showed no signs of pain or discomfort. Maybe she needs to find a qualified
vet who doesn't botch surgeries.
Plaz
sl...@aol.com (SLK03) wrote:
So you're saying the only reasons you have any medical procedures
performed on your cats are selfish reasons for your own benefit. Well,
no surprise there, I suppose.
SLK03
>proven liar, your "firsthand experience" is bullsh!t - like everything else
>you spew.
Maybe if she would observe the procedure done correctly rather than botched her
firsthand experience might be the same as mine. I will not lie to suit her
opinion....my cats were home in under 24 hours, not drugged, not on pain
medication, no signs of pain or discomfort, wanting to run jump and play. Those
are the facts....just cause you don't like them it doesn't change them.
Obviously it shows that I go to a qualified vet who performs the procedure
flawlessly and painlessly. Whether you agree with the procedure or not, if you
care about cats as you claim to, one would think you would hope that most
people's experiences are like mine not hers and most vets are like mine not
hers. But as we know cats are not your main concern....your personal opinions
and hatred of others is.
>> My cats were not on pain medication,
>
>You're also a cheap, stingy, lying, animal abuser.
Cheap??? LOL. lets see Logan eats thread= $1000, Damien's care $????, Falkors
care= $1000+ per year. Cujo's undescended testicle=$500. Oh I get it, you're
calling me cheap cause I didn't buy pain meds that weren't prescribed and
weren't needed. yeah right, give me a break!
Darnit7
>> I've done but everything I've done to help animals has come from my
>heart
Since when is cat mutilation something that comes from the heart?
Kiki
: Maybe if she would observe the procedure done correctly rather than botched her
: firsthand experience might be the same as mine. I will not lie to suit her
Ah, ok... so the person who just sees her cats going home apparently knows
more than vets and is qualified to say when they've botched the procedure.
You know, this is why I wonder if yo aren't just doing one large
experiment to see when we'll finally give up with you. Your posts get more
and more ridiculous the longer the arguement goes. I think you know you're
beaten... you just don't have the guts to admit it.
SLK03
ROFLMAO!!!!
SLK03
>performed on your cats are selfish reasons for your own benefit. Well,
>no surprise there, I suppose.
nope, neutering, spaying, declawing benefited both my cats and myself. My
reasons are simply my reasons....may not be your reasons but to each his own.
Gerry
> <snip>
> >Your reply was both insulting and offensive
>
> oh well, wasn't meant to be but your post shows you are very defensive so
am
> not suprised you took it the way you did.
Let me get this straight. You post that everyone is insulting here.
Shirley then tells you about the background of many posters here and the
purpose of this newsgroup in a calm non-insulting way. Then you respond
with the following insults:
(Shirley is:
1. Arrogant
2. Hateful
3. Motivated to care about cats to boost ego.
4. Motivated to care about cats for status.
5. Motivated to save cats because of the need for recognition.
6. Self-Serving
7. Only reason to save animals is to 'put another notch in the "save"
column.')
And after this barrage of insults listed above, Shirley disagrees so you
tell her you she is "defensive". Well you're a lying, animal abusing,
psychotic bitch who doesn't give a flying f**k about anything but herself.
But don't worry I wouldn't ever dream of insulting or offending you so
please don't get defensive. Ok? :-)
Gerry
SLK03
>more than vets and is qualified to say when they've botched the procedure.
The pet owner who knows her cats and how they behave picks them up in under 24
hours, not drugged, not in pain, playful and with no pain meds and yet I'm
supposed to listen to some vet tech tell me that my cats got medication 3-4
days after...which obviously they did not. From her description it does sound
like my vet is more of an expert at doing the procedure.
SLK03
>with the following insults:
well if the shoe fits....
Gerry
> >Then you respond
> >with the following insults:
>
> well if the shoe fits....
Oh so you were lying with the following then:
Shirley:
> >Your reply was both insulting and offensive
SLK:
> oh well, wasn't meant to be but your post shows you are very defensive so
am
> not suprised you took it the way you did.
Sorry, it's difficult to keep up with your lies!
Gerry
Plaz
sl...@aol.com (SLK03) wrote:
> declawing benefited both my cats
How? In what way?
Cathy Friedmann
> >This is rec.pets.cats.health+behaviour so people are going to discuss
> >health and behaviour problems. Some of the people here are very
> >experienced not 'activists with causes' as you describe them.
> Some not most. Ok example....someone comes in and says their cat is peeing
> inappropriately....three discussions break out <snipped>
There have been a few threads like this where from personal
> experience simply moving the litter box to the cats corner of choice could
be
> the solution. It seems like folks here go for the extremes and overlook
the
> obvious.
I was one person - and often am - to suggest that a cat w/ an inappropriate
peeing problem get examined by the vet, since it may very well be a
UTI/medical problem. Why? Because it very often *is* a medical problem, in
which case it wouldn't matter if one had 10 litter boxes or *where* they
were placed. If it isn't a medical probem, fine, but why overlook it?
(Would *you* want to go untreated for an undiagnosed UTI?)
> >I and many others here do not consider what we do as *self-serving do
> >gooder crap* and if that is your opinion of cat rescue and welfare
> >organisations/charities work then it say's a lot about the type of
> >person you are.
>
> Some people here look at cats as charity cases who need saving, average
pet
> owners don't see their pets in the same way. I don't care what quantity of
cats
> you've saved, the fact is it is very different than having your own cat
that
> you love completely and unconditionally.
I beg to differ w/ this statement. I am a very average cat owner. I'm not
into rescue, per se, yet all of my cats actually have been rescues. My
first cat was an unwanted kitten of an unwanted mother cat & her litter (the
other were adopted by a friend & other people); the next cat, Debbie, was a
literally starving, pregnant stray, taken in by my sister in the middle of a
NE winter - whom I adopted a year later; I adopted my 3rd cat from the
Humane Society, & my youngest cat was a neighborhood stray, w/ no home,
living outside100% of the time - not neutered, and coughhing & sneezing
because of completely clogged-up ears, along w/ the usual fleas & worms.
> I have a terminally ill cat and a hyperthyroid cat....I know my time is
limited
> and they will be gone all too soon from my life....one is 18-21, the other
is
> 14....how much time do I have left with these two? a year? maybe 4 or 5?
Well, hello... sorry to break it to you - but you're not the only one who's
caring for a terminally ill cat. Debbie was already seriously & chronically
ill w/ liver disease (besides being hypothyroid) when I adopted Herrie (the
neighborhood stray); she is now 16 & also has CRF & is on a medical regimen
that boggles even my mind. And there are many more people on this ng who
are also caring for their terminally ill cats, have in the past, &/or will
in the future. Comes w/ the territory.
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
SLK03
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>Shirley:
>> >Your reply was both insulting and offensive
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>SLK:
>> oh well, wasn't meant to be but your post shows you are very defensive so
>am
>> not suprised you took it the way you did.
actually the "if the shoe fits..." comment was directed at you gerry.
Kiki
: supposed to listen to some vet tech tell me that my cats got medication 3-4
: days after...which obviously they did not. From her description it does sound
: like my vet is more of an expert at doing the procedure.
Whatever SLK.
I'm curious, SLK.. have you ever admitted you're wrong? I mean, not just
in this conversation, or others on this newsgorup. In your life.. have
you ever been able to admit you are wrong or are you too cowardly or think
you are always right? If number one, please at least be able toa dmit to
yourself you are wrong, if two... I got news for you hon... no one is
ever 100% right. You know... you might actually be wrong! *boggle*
SLK03
>into rescue, per se, yet all of my cats actually have been rescues.
The difference between us is that I don't see mine as rescues....they found me
and I found them regardless of the circumstances. Damien was a stray, Logan and
Falkor were both found through ads in the paper....Falkor was just days away
from being dumped at the shelter. And Cujo is a Ragdoll that I got from a
breeder. I have treated them all equally and always will....purebred status
means nothing and neither does being a stray. They are my companions not
charity cases. As I've said many times before I don't care how they came into
this world only that they came into my life and my heart.
SLK03
>in this conversation, or others on this newsgorup. In your life.. have
>you ever been able to admit you are wrong or are you too cowardly or think
>you are always right?
I've admitted I'm wrong in situations where that was the case but this
situation ain't one of them.
Gerry
Umm... all I wanted to know is how you could pack so many insults into one
post, and then tell a poster you were not meaning to be insulting or
offensive?
Gerry
Cathy Friedmann
that I consider myself a very average cat person/owner. But the _fact_ of
the matter is, they *were* rescued, when I adopted them.
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
SLK03 <sl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sherry
>> newsgroup that I think SLK would very much enjoy.
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>Yup, the purrfect group - alt.cats. Only discussion about the cute things
>cats do everyday, and how much we love'em. SLK would likely find that group
>very pleasant.
>
>Gerry
Yes, alt.cats is definitely the forum for SLK03. She and the Boobster will get
on famously, won't they? It's the perfect match--then all we have to do is
killfile the 2 of them, and they'll be too busy to respond to anything else.
Sherry
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Gerry
"Sherry " <srid...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Heck, there would hardly be a need to killfile them. Just ignore the
perpetual and exclusive Fradbo-SLK thread that would occupy both and go on
for the rest of their lives ;-)
I guess you already figured out I was trying to kill two birds with one
stone eh? LOL
Gerry
Kiki
: Umm... all I wanted to know is how you could pack so many insults into one
: post, and then tell a poster you were not meaning to be insulting or
: offensive?
Because SLK believes in do unto others whatever the hell she wants but
they shouldn't do the same onto her unless it benefits her.
Michelle, LVT
>then that puts teeth cleaning in the category of major procedures. Obviously
>anytime a cat goes under there is a risk
Correct, any procedure that requires anesthesia (general) is
considered a MAJOR procedure
>but looking at the surgeries alone
>declawing is considered minor and spaying is considered major as it is an
>invasive surgery.
Incorrect. Yes, spaying, and even neutering in comparison to
declawing, are considered "invasive", but not more or less "major".
There is a higher risk of infection associated with declawing than
with spay/neuter because of the inherent behaviour/nature of the cat.
A cat does not walk on it's abdomen, it does not stand on it's abdomen
while urinating and defecating, it does not jump down from heights
onto it's abdomen.... all of which occurs with a declawed cat. If a
cat lays in it's soiled litterbox, there is also an increase in the
risk of infection associated with that specific behaviour, but not as
great as a cat that's been declawed and *will* do the above listed
behaviours.
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>Wrong! my cats all came home within 24 hours, completely alert and not on any
>medication besides clauvamox, no signs whatsoever of being "drugged".
It is unusual and perhaps even negligent on the part of the
attending veterinarian, to send home a declaw patient prior to the 48
hour "waiting period". The AVMA recommends this "waiting period"
following surgery for the following reasons:
1. Leave the bandages on overnight to allow the injured tissue to
begin the healing process without undue loss of blood (regardless of
the protocol used to "seal" the wounds) and to minimize the patient's
attempt at self cleaning (which slows the initial healing process by
keeping the injured aread wet and not allowing the tissue to heal)
Also to *fully* recover from whatever anesthetic is used.
2. The following day, remove the bandages and *observe* the cat for
signs of non-healing behaviour (licking, excitable movement, refusal
to move) and to observe that the cat's normal eating and voiding
behaviour has resumed.
3. Discharge the patient only after the above has been satisfied.
>They
>showed no signs of pain other than irritation with abdominal stitches.
They showed no symptoms that you observed, but cats will and
do rely on their instincts when the issue of pain is presented. They
will and do not show symptoms untill the pain or problem has become
too much for them to hide.
>They
>wanted to run and jump as if nothing was done to their paws....
Again, most cats will and do try to resume normal visually
observable behaviour, regardless of whether they are in pain or not.
It is not until the pain is too much for them to hide that they will
"let you know".
>obviously I
>followed instructions and curtailed that activity.
As was the proper advice from the attending veterinarian.
>Obviously my vet handles
>things much differently than you or your vet and I'm grateful for it....14+
>years ago I made the right choice in a vet.
If your vet has not changed his/her practices to follow the
basic current education regarding pain management and health, than you
should consider another alternative than that vet. Much research has
been done within the last 5 years (?) to determine that pain and it's
management, especially in regard to the declawing procedure, should be
of primary and principal concern.
Michelle R. Lewis, LVT
To email me just remove the "kitty" AND "puppy" from my head.
SLK03
nope, not proven wrong at all...we simply have a difference of opinion.
Actually you've been proven to be a coward. If you are so sure that declawing
does what you say go to http://members.aol.com/SLK03 and tell me in which
pictures did my cats have claws and in which one they don't. You have surely
read enough to deal with a real life situation or have you?