Does Your Dog / Kat KNOW It When He Shits Your Bed? - YOU GOT RIGHTS, You Know! <{}'; ~ ) >
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Foren...@hotmail.com
YOU GOT RIGHTS, You Know!
<{}'; ~ ) >
HOWEDY Tania,
> The Puppy Wizard RuleZ!
>
> Respekt is due.
Naah. Just takes a little honesty.
HOWEDY jo,
"Jo Wolf" wrote in message
news:24418-40...@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net...
> No, your dog does not "know that it is
> inappropriate" to foul your bed.
That's INSANE, jo. You some kinda MENTAL CASE, jo?
You think the dog don't KNOW where he's shittin?
You think his owner ain't PUNISHED HIM for shittin
on her bed, jo? You think the owner wasn't clear
HOWE COME she was PUNISHING her dog for shittin
her bed, jo?
> Dogs cannot make moral judgements.
Sorry jo, it's YOU who can't make moral judgements
or you'd stop HURTIN INTIMIDATIN and MURDERIN
dogs and tryin to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin, jo.
The dog is makin a STATEMENT, jo. The dog is SAYIN he's
UNHAPPY, jo. Dogs DON'T DO THINGS for NO REASON, jo.
You're a FRAUD a LIAR a DOG ABUSER a COWARD and
a ACTIVE ACCUTE CHRONIC LIFE LONG INCURABLE MENTAL
CASE, and PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAININ FRAUD an SCAM
ARTIST, jo.
> If she can't get to your bed, she can't defecate on it.
Then she'll find somewhere else to shit, jo <{}: ~ ( >
> Close the door to that room and she can't
> get in there and onto the bed.
THAT'S your TRAININ advice, jo?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
> Take her outside to do her business and
> keep her there, on leash, in one place,
> until she does it.
THAT ain't the problem, jo. The dog shits
JUST FINE when and WHERE she LIKES.
She's shittin on their bed cause SHE AIN'T HAPPY,
not cause she don't KNOW WHERE she's supposed
to crap, jo.
> Jo Wolf
> Martinez, Georgia
HOWEDY People, dog lovers, active long term
incurable mental patients, and university
trained behaviorists,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard wants you to KNOW
your RIGHTS to not be discriminated against for
bein mentally ill, are under consideration of BEING
PROTECTED, thanks to the overwhelming LOVE
emanating towards you from "The UNMENTIONABLE
WON", YOUR PUPPY WIZARD.
In an ideal world, when twenty years of constant
anti psychotic medication, psychiatric ANAL-ysis
and group therapy fails to rehabilitate a dog lover
from abusing their dogs and children and everyWON
in society who's door they darken, we'd just tie
them to a tree and shoot them in the head like a
bad dog.
HOWEver, todays real world involves paper work and
reports and dramatic last minute heroic medical intervention,
like when HOWER DOG LOVERS ARBITRARILY MURDER
THEIR OWN DOGS and THEN CHANGE THEIR MIND as
their veterinary pet professional injects their SOON TO BE
DEAD DOG with the blue stuff.
See The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Post "WON LAST GIFT."
Well dog lovers, YOU GOT RIGHTS!
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has taken
them under CONsideration and will
advise you in a timely manner <{)'; ~ ) >
Meanwhile, PLEASE REPORT your mental
health care case history so everyWON's
RIGHTS may be given due CONsideration.
REMEMBER, as lying lois e SEZ, 'twern't long
ago we was lockin my aunti in a closet cause
she was simple."
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-20 15:22:52 PST
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-20 03:06:20 PST
"Alpha" <d...@davidthedogman.com> wrote in message
<news:40f8cda3$0$15058$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-
> >02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>...
> > The biggest single point with his method not working
> > is what do you do when your dog does not follow your
> > request?
>
> He avoids that by never asking a dog for much.
> Simple, huh?
>
> His real ignorance of any form of training glows
> whenever he tries to address specifics. Boners like
> thinking field trainers hit dogs with bumpers or
> saying he takes dogs to a temperature that would
> cause permanent brain damage or recommending bite
> training for fear biters. The 2nd part of his manual
> is just laughable in piss-poor instructions for basic
> obedience commands, full of mistakes that not even
> the most novice trainer wouldn't make.
> It's a joke.
>
> Lynn K.
That a fact Lynn?
How would you Lynn solve a dog who is lean on drift
while blind running to a target?
You use jerry's manual and apply the concepts
that are universal to correction.
Your a twitt Lynn.
He needs an editor but the raw data works.
Mike
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"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
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"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
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"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
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Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
more, while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
I would hope that every other reader of this group
would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."
Lynn K.
---------------------------
"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."
Lynn K.
LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems.
LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined
LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03
BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read
> "The Unquiet Mind"?
Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.
Lynn K
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MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION
"KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS,
DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
YOU DO THE MATH
"What's really terrific, is now days you
can say proudly, 'I take anti-depressives'"
From: Gary & lois Edwards (ga...@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02
BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,
"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted."
The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.
No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."
Lois E.
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SEE?
Here's a other MENTAL CASE:
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Might Cubbe Be Ready For Harsher Training Techniques?
It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug + She Gave A Snarl-Snap. I don't even
think she broke the kid's skin and as far as I'm concerned,
it was the kid's own fault."
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
From: Mark Shaw (m...@bangnetcom.com)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST
In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrnsc53>,
"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@home.com> wrote:
>Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
>If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?
If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have
one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.
> I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing --
> more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners
> walking their dogs. I thought of raising the fence a foot or
> so, but don't think that'll solve the problem. I've tried
> watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she
> props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail.
> I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.
I take it you're considering running the wire across the top
of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it
may be worth a try. Watch closely -- the one case where I saw
a hotwire used in this fashion caused the dog undue stress and
frustration, and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
So be prepared to take it down right away.
That was a Dane, though. With a Saint things might be
different.
--
Mark Shaw
culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for standin
behind their SHOCK FENCE just like HOWE
liea's dog attacked her only friend and
tried to attack two little kids for standin
in her SHOCK ZONE
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com>
wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIz...@comcast.com...
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
From: Tricia9999 (trici...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: electronic fences
Date: 2002-11-17 07:15:27 PST
>> how effective are these electronic fences
>> in keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked
and become too scared to go out in the
yard anymore. Just heard of a guy that has
to rehome his dog, because the dog
got caught right in the path of the shock
and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
They won't keep people or critters off of
your property.
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SEE?
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.
Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....
~misty
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From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....
Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news
16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net.
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-( ~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12208-3BB...@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net.
Hi Cathy!
Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..
I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats
rec.pets.cats.annecdotes (not lately, my kitty
died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.
Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs. An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.
I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat. Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.
The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.
Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.
I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.
Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods. One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D
I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks. I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.
If you want my phone number, e-mail me. We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.
~misty
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SEE?
From: Nevyn (greatd...@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05 04:17:45 PST
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or the
back gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.
I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment
of animals"
___________________________
SEE?
"Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
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SEE?
Julia F N Altshuler (d0006...@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST
Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the
first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were
when we first got her before she'd had any training
and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the
physical one.
It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored
clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was
horrible for us. She had a blast running free and
chasing whatever she wanted.
For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we
tried to catch her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday
morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren't
quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she
was preoccupied with her head down a hole.
For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash.
She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions.
She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets
intermittent treats for those recalls. She gets
plenty of time to run free in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been
working on them. I haven't been as good about
introducing the variable reinforcement there, but
I have been good about making sure that she's
never tricked into coming into the house when
she'd rather be outside. I always call her, give
her a treat or praise and let her go again.
So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't
think I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about
to ask y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes,
and while I don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I
am hoping you'll concentrate on what I should do now.
Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time.
I'd gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave
when she escaped straight through the front door and right
in front of our noses.
She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when
she went over the wire, and the chase ensued.
We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap
collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the
backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From her
excited behavior, I could tell that she fully expected
to be let out the front door again so she could have
another fun romp in the neighborhood.
I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every
time I open the door.
Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.
My specific questions:
How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?
She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and
could zap her when she's near certain windows inside.
If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar,
can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front
door with her leash on?
I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
What's the best emergency procedure if, god
forbid, it should happen again?
Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques?
By this I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for
Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used
leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her.
I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state
my opinion once and won't defend it further: any
method can be cruel for some dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?
Last night we had friends over for dinner with their
3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe
and were having a blast clicker training her.
I was impressed with how quickly they caught on and
how little correction they needed to be consistent
with the clicks and treats.
Cubbe was fine with the children; she always
has been. Just as they were getting ready to
go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined
because she gave a snarl-snap.
I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let
her know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't
frightened at all, and her parents who were also right
there hadn't realized what had happened. I then asked
the snarlee to rub Cubbe's belly further to reinforce
that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relationship.
I let Cubbe up and all was fine.
I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part
of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
with Cubbe the escapee?
--Lia
BWEEEEAAAAAHAHAAAHAAAA!!!
Here's liea's FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe ATTACKIN
her ONLY friend and her neighbor's two children
for standin in her SHOCK ZONE:
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:3DC4A3BD...@attbi.com...
> I need help deciding if I have a real problem with
> Cubbe that needs immediate attention or if I'm
imagining trouble where there is none.
Here's what happened last April the way I described
it to a friend at the time:
I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking
myself for doing something stupid. Ellie has been
over many times and has always gotten along great
with Cubbe. Cubbe is always at the door when I let
Ellie in.
She's barky-protective but then stops barking once
Ellie is inside. She's never shown any real
aggression. The other night Ellie and I went out
together to run an errand.
Ellie was coming in the house with packages so
I came in first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with
Jim so Ellie could get through the door more easily.
I could hear Cubbe barking. Once Ellie was inside,
I opened the bedroom door for Cubbe. She ran out
to attack the intruder.
Ellie was trying to be friendly.
Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed
when they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every
night, but Ellie was understandably scared.
Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away.
I got Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary
thing is that, even though the damage is minor, it
does qualify as a bite since Cubbe did mean to do it.
I guess I should just learn from it and never let
Cubbe greet someone like that again, but I'm
horribly torn up.
I've said that I would never keep an aggressive
dog. Now the whole issue is so complicated.
Cubbe is great even with kids when we meet
them in the neighborhood.
Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.
Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the
night in the computer room with Jim while I answered
the door. She did bark each time she heard the
doorbell ring. We did nothing to discourage that.
We want her to be barky protective so
it made sense for her to bark when she
heard people in the neighborhood, especially
at night. Later in the evening, Jim put Cubbe
on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
people to come to the door once she was out of the
computer room was our neighbor Nicky.
I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since
we got her 4 years ago, has always liked her, petted
her and asked to come on walks. Nick lifted his mask
on the porch so I'd know who it was.
Then I invited him into the hall to pet Cubbe.
Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him.
Of course Jim was right there so no damage was
done. Nick didn't even have to draw his hand away,
and he didn't get scared.
Nothing scares that boy.
I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
protective-aggressive when people have entered the
house.
Both times they've been people she knows and
should like. She's wonderfully nice to people on
walks. We don't have guests over too often so
I can't comment if it's a growing thing or not.
Comments please. Is this a major growing
aggression problem?
I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
What do I do about it?
I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
her car, and then we walk in together.
She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
doing something more to make sure this doesn't
escalate?
--Lia
---------------------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
Here's liea's latest encHOWENTER of her
dog Cubbe ATTACKIN innocent children:
HOWEDY liea you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life long incurable mental case,
"Julia Altshuler" <jalts...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QbKdnbim682xO6Xb...@comcast.com...
> Suja wrote:
>>
>> Same here.
Seems suja's had her share of FEAR AGGRESSIVE DOGS.
>> Someone at the dog park who has Basenjis was playing
>> with one, and accidentally got nailed on his hand.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
>> Since it was a puncture wound and bleeding profusely,
That's GOOD. Punctures seldom bleed enough to prevent infection.
>> he went to the ER.
That's SHEER IDIOCY. All you gotta do with a dog
bite puncture wound is make it BLEED ALOT and
keep it CLEAN and OPEN to the air so's it'll heel.
The HOWEspitals like to bandage and stitch them,
which causes them to INFECT. And a tetnus shot
is IDOCY if the wound BLEEDS and is OPEN
as tetnus is a ANAROBIC DIS-EASE <{}: ~ ( >
>> He told them what happened, and they called animal control.
Naaaah?
>> He had to quarantine his own dog, although everyone
>> knew full well that this was just an accident,
That's ABSURD. Dogs DON'T BITE by ACCIDENT.
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
>> and the dog was certainly UTD on all his vaccines.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
Giving vaccinations accordin to current veterinary
malpractice guidelines may CAUSE dogs to have
NO IMMUNITY.
>> When the same thing happened to another friend,
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
>> he told the ER folks that he messed up while doing
>> some work, and a nail got him. They knew it wasn't
>> a nail that got him,
Yeah? Are they PSYCHICS?
>> but didn't say anything.
Oh, they was DEAF MUTES?
> I've recently changed my mind
That's a GOOD THING, liea. Your old mind was for shit.
Hey liea? Didn't you momma teach you to say 'HOWEDY!"
when talkin to folks or was you raised by a ignorameHOWES
like yourself <{}: ~ ( >
"The fruit don't fall far from the fruitcake,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{}: ~ ) >
> on the rightness or wrongness
Oooops! PERHAPS you shoulda kept that old mind, eh liea?
You KNOW you've ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS knowin
RIGHT from WRONG. THAT'S HOWE COME you're a
MENTAL CASE, remember, liea?
> of these laws.
SomeWON should make a LAW protecting J.Q. Pubic
from viciHOWES lyin animal abusin ignoreameHOWESES
like yourself, liea <{}: ~ ( >
> I used to think that it was wrong for the Law (by Law I mean
> the folks in the hospital ER, animal control, etc.) to punish a
> dog when person with the bite knew the dog had a rabies shot,
"PUNISH", liea? NO WON wants to PUNISH dogs for biting.
HOWEver, so long as you're MHOWENTING your moral
high horse, perhaps The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey
Wizard will be a GENTLEMAN an offer you a leg up, eh, liea?
> knew the bite was an accident,
There AIN'T NO SUCH THING as a ACCIDENTAL bite, liea.
> and so on.
You're a dog abusin mental case, liea. What's your point?
> I could understand that a dog owner would lie
Naaaah?
> to protect his dog from the unfair punishment.
WHAAAT "PUNISHMENT", liea? You think bein
CONfined to a leash for ten days is PUNISHMENT?
Naaah. THAT AIN'T PUNISHMENT, liea. NOT
UNLESS you're jerkin an chokin IT on your PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE collar.
> I've thought about it further and changed my mind.
You mean you changed your mind abHOWET punishment, liea?
Or do you mean you changed your mind abHOWET RIGHT an
WRONG, liea? Sometimes it's difficult for the SIMPLE Puppy
Wizard to follow your philosophical thinkin when you're up on
your moral high horse, like that talk abHOWET rape a while ago.
> If the punishment was something along the lines of
> "we have to put down (kill) any dog that bites
You mean like paul e. schone's RESCUE dog Muttley?
> even if you understand the circumstances
You mean like the two occasions IN janet's OBEDIENCE
CLASS when paulie was INSTRUCTED to JERK an
CHOKE Muttley to TEACH IT RESPECT for his G-D
like AUTHORITY, and Muttley WENT INSANE with
FEAR, liea?
And like HOWE every time your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE
dog Cubbe attacked he was attackin someWON inside her
SHOCK ZONE or you was JERKIN an CHOKIN IT on
your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR JUST
LIKE HOWE paulie done when his RESCUE dog Muttley
GOT SCARED an ATTACKED.
> and there's nothing you can do about it,"
Oh, you mean when dog lovers like yourselves finally
CONvince the legislatures that Pit Bull dogs are BAD?
> then sure it makes sense to lie to protect your dog.
Oh, you mean like when it's O.K. to STEAL a neighbor's
dog on accHOWENTA you don't like HOWE they're
keepin IT, liea, as booby maida and babbette haggerty
and judith althouse recommend us to do, liea?
> But a quarantine isn't a terrible punishment.
Naaah? Hey liea? It MIGHT be a TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT
if your dog ESCAPES your SURRHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM
and attacks a neighbor's kid, or worse, gets into
the yard with the Rottweiller and won't come back
to you again, eh, liea?
THEN the cops would SHOOT YOUR DOG for you
UNLESS diddler or lois edwards BEAT THEM TO
THE PUNCH, eh?
> It's 2 weeks of not going off the owner's
> property or not being off a leash.
There's no need for a dog to be off leash UNLESS,
like your own dog Cubbe, they got a HISTORY of
ESCAPIN your SHOCK CON-TRAINED HOWES.
> Cubbe got one.
Naaah? You never mentioned THAT when your
fear aggressive dog Cubbe ATTACKED your only
friend Ellie. In fact, you never mentioned she went
to the HOWEspital either, liea.
> I don't even think she broke the kid's skin and
> as far as I'm concerned,
You mean you didn't LOOK, liea? What'd you do, run
HOWET on them like HOWE "news dog's" handler done?
> it was the kid's own fault.
But of curse, liea. What'd he do, stand in Cubbe's
SHOCK ZONE like them other two kids and your
only friend Ellie done?
> We'd said he could pet the dog
You mean your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe, liea?
Hey liea? You remember when you first started OBEDIENCE
TRAININ IT, and IT began to TURN ON YOU for HURTIN
her on your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR?
> and gave instructions on how to do so properly.
Oh, you mean to offer IT a cookie an let IT smell the
back of your hand, offered from UNDERNEATH,
like a CHIN CHUCK, so the dog don't think you're
fixin to STRIKE IT liea?
Perhaps you can EXXXPLAIN again HOWE a
CHIN CHUCK AIN'T HITTIN THE DOG, liea,
and HOWE IT IS that a dog bein CHIN CHUCKED
don't KNOW it's the lyin dog abusin mental case with
the HANDS who HIT HIM?
> The kid promptly disobeyed every instruction.
Oh, you mean he went up to IT an sez 'HOWEDY' an
SCARED your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe?
> Cubbe got scared and gave a brief snap.
Naaah? She got a BAD HABIT of ATTACKIN
innocent defenseless critters, like that 12 year
old dog Chief, DHOWEN the street?
Hey liea? HOWE did you manage to get your neighbor
with the barkin Pit Bull to GET RID OF HER DOG?
Did you have to call animal CON-TROLL on her very
often?
> I'd have given the kid a kiss,
That'd be the kiss of death, eh, liea?
> a band-aid
You mean for the BITE he DIDN'T GET, liea?
> and lesson on listening to instructions,
You mean YOUR instructions, liea? Even a CHILD
knows you're a pathetic miserable stinkin lyin dog
an child abusin imbecile <{}: ~ ( >
> but the parents took him to the emergency
> room which got the Law involved.
"I don't even think she broke the kid's skin".
Perhaps you're in DENIAL, eh, liea?
> At the time, we were terrified that Cubbe would be killed.
Seems it was YOU who WANTED TO KILL HER, liea.
> We were white with fear for every part of the process.
Well that's NORMAL for a NATURAL BORN COWARD.
NHOWE you know HOWE your neighbor with the Pit
Bull felt when YOU MADE HER GET RID OF HER
DOGS on accHOWENTA THEY SCARED YOU.
> That involved going to the hospital with her rabies
> certificate (they thanked us for being so prompt),
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAHAAA!!!
> going to the police station for a dog-bite report
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
> (the officer treated it like some stupid paperwork
Naaaah?
> and reassured us that we had nothing to worry about),
Yeah, it ain't HIS dog the Doggy Nazis will come after.
> letting the city's rabies inspector (the vet in town
> that we don't use) look at Cubbe (that's literally
> take her to his office where he looked at her,
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
> didn't touch her,
Of curse not. She COULD BE INFECTED with RABIES.
> and humorously called her the troublemaker)
> twice, once right away and again 10 days later.
Oh THAT'S on accHOWENTA she's ALWAYS BEEN
UN-CON-TROLLABLE at the vets, REMEMBER, liea?
IN FACT, your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe
ATTACKED YOUR VETERINARIAN, remember
NHOWE, liea?
> During the 10 days she had to be on a leash when
> she left our property, something we do anyway.
Do you use a standard or CUSTOM MADE PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR, like janet SOLD
paulie an Muttley, liea?
> Like I said,
Not to be the grammar police, but it's like 'AS I SEZ', liea,
you pathetic university educaded IDIOT <{}: ~ ( >.
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> at the time we were railing against the stupid laws.
That so, liea?
> Thinking about it in retrospect,
You mean like HOWE when you think of as a
kid, goin to school in the little school bus, liea?
> I don't think the laws are overboard.
That's kindly of you, liea.
> I started to understand how serious rabies really is.
Rabies is only seriHOWES if you're a ignorameHOWES
an get yourself ATTACKED by a infected critter or pick
up sumpthin you shouldn't be touchin, liea.
> Sure it's unlikely that the kid was going to get
> rabies from that snap,
Your dog Cubbe MURDERS innocent defenseless
dumb wild critters, REMEMBER, liea?
> but given the fact that untreated rabies means DEATH,
> certain DEATH, certain horrible, preventable, DEATH,
> I relaxed my outrage.
Oh, so you let your FEAR CON-TROLL your MIND, eh, liea?
> Yeah, we went to some trouble and some paperwork
> and a quarantine. Yeah, I wish the kid's parents taught
> their kids some manners.
Oh? Did the kid BITE the DOG, liea?
> (It's gotten to where no one in the neighborhood
> wants anything to do with them.
That so? Does their ill mannered KID attack very often,
like HOWE YOUR OWN FEAR AGGRESSIVE HOWETA
CON-TROLL dog Cubbe has done ON THREE OCCASIONS
with people and WON with your vet and at least WON with the
old dog DHOWEN the street, liea?
That's like FIVE BITES your own FEAR AGGRESSIVE
DOG Cubbe has done on INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
PEOPLE, not countin the DOG she attacked and probably
a few others you ain't mentioned.
BY ANY STANDARDS CUBBE SHOUL DIE.
UNLESS she's a POLICE DOG attackin HOODLUM KIDS
and a HOWEsbreaker personal friend and a HOWEstile vet.
Let's talk abHOWET the LAW in your city regardin DOG BITES, liea?
> They're too out of control and spoiled, won't listen
> to anyone, goes way beyond manners with dogs.)
Shameful, eh, liea?
> Now we tell kids and parents that we're
> sorry but that they can't pet this dog.
You mean on accHOWENTA WON BAD APPLE
ruinin all the FUN for everyWON else, liea? That's
just what the Pit Bull people worry abHOWET, liea.
WON BAD EXXXAMPLE like Cubbe gettin their
fear aggressive Pit Bulls taken away from them by
the Doggy Nazis <{}: ~ ( >
> The other day I relaxed the rule
You mean you CHANGED YOUR MIND AGAIN, liea?
> and let the neighbors' kid (the neighbors I do like) pet Cubbe.
PERHAPS your FEAR AGGRESSIVE dog Cubbe ATTACKED
the child on accHOWENTA she KNEW you didn't LIKE him, liea?
> All went well.
You mean you GOT LUCKY, liea?
> I'd say it makes sense to the tell the folks in the
> emergency room the truth about injuries
Hey assHOWEL? Wouldn't it make MOORE sense
to TELL THE KID your dog ATTACKS CHILDREN?
> even where there's a beloved dog involved.
You mean a dog you'd have to MURDER on accHOWENTA
IT ATTACKS innocent defenseless dumb critters on
accHOWENTA you JERK an CHOKE IT on your PRONGED
SPIKED PINCH CHOKE COLLAR an SHOCK IT, liea?
> --Lia
------------------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
Hey liea? Remember when you used to post daily
and weekly WARNINGS to KILLFILE the only poster
who knows HOWE to TRAIN ALL dogs and ALL BEHAVIORS
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY
PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin mental cases been doin
it, liea?:
163 for author:jaltshu...@attbi.com "occasional post"
OT: occasional post-Broken rib-DOGS DON'T WORK CREDIT
... I try to notify each new person who posts with the following
"occasional post" to help new people learn to killfile faster and
to waste less time in public argument. I hope the following
helps. ...
Jun 17 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 15 messages - 9 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-I'm outa here
And if you blocked the arguing, you'd see only a nice helpful
friendly group. Not only that, if you didn't post messages like
the one you just did, you wouldn't be adding to the problem. --
Lia ...
Mar 12 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 55 messages - 20 authors
OT: occasional post-4 month old puppy still pees in her
box...help ...
I post this informational message occasionally. I try to post it in
answer to first posts by people who might not be familiar with
this newsgroup or anywhere else it might be useful. This is
rec.pets.dogs.behavior (rpdb). ...
Apr 25 2002 by Julia Altshuler - 14 messages - 5 authors
OT: occasional post-this newsgroup-Barking. Help please John,
Please don't answer him or copy his messages. The rest of
us have him killfiled and wouldn't know he was there if you didn't.
Here's the canned message with more information: This message ...
Mar 14 2003 by Julia Altshuler - 10 messages - 7 authors
---------------------------
BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!
From: abadabracadab...@aol.com (ABADABRACADABRAH)
Date: 17 Aug 2004 15:54:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> Subject: Eggplant ! Eggplant! []
> From: Julia Altshuler jaltshu...@comcast.net
> Date: 8/17/04 11:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> Please, folks. Remember to label your posts when you're
> arguing with trolls. So many threads are troll arguments
> these days that I can't keep track of which ones to delete
> without reading. We either do or do not have new annoyances.
> Either way, label them with the [eggplant] tag. I'm quick
> to killfile everybody.
You're INSANE, liea.
>--Lia
HOWEDY liea,
> Subject: Re: house training problem [ninnyboy]
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:57:02 GMT
> The dog groups have a newsgroup nut
You shock and jerk and choked your dog Cubbe till
she ATTACKED your only friend and tied to attack
a couple kids and did attack your neighbor's old
dog.
> who yells at everyone and never goes away.
You're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE, liea.
> Just ignore him, or put him in your killfile.
Perhaps you should bring back your occasional
daily and weekly warnings?
> That's what everyone else does.
That so? HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is the most pupular topic in the Whole
Wild World amongst dog lovers?
> Whatever you do, don't copy his messages.
You're a paranoid mental case, liea.
> That's a lot of bandwidth.
You're a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE, liea.
>--Lia
135 results for insubject: occasional post
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@attbi.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:46:53 GMT
Subject: OT: occasional post-this newsgroup
He *is* nuts. Don't answer him.
--Lia
This message is posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior (r.p.d.b.)
regularly and occasionally to other newsgroups including
alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, alt.pets.dog, and
rec.pets.dogs.misc. These are unmoderated groups meaning
that no one checks the messages to make sure they're on-topic,
civil or sensible before they go through.
The purpose of this occasional posting is to give information
about the newsgroup so that discussion about the newsgroup
itself is cut down and discussion about dogs increases.
Like so many usenet groups, this group has people who post
annoyingly and constantly, people who post angry and abusive
messages, people who post to irritate others. It's up to
individuals to decide which posters bother them.
Here are some guidelines that many people follow to make this
newsgroup pleasant and informative:
1. Use your killfile. A killfile (or filter) makes invisible
posts by any particular person or with any particular words in
the subject line.
The posts are still there, but they don't show up on the screen
of the person using the killfile. Look at http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/killfilefaq.htm
for instructions.
2. Don't make more noise. The only thing more annoying than a
troll is an otherwise rational person arguing with or about a troll.
That's known as feeding the trolls. Please don't feed the trolls.
It really is insane to attempt rational discussion with the insane.
3. Want to exercise your right to free speech and argue about or
with trolls anyway? Put "ninnyboy" in the subject line. That way
the people who want to join the fracas can, and those who don't can
opt out by killfiling "ninnyboy." If you don't do this, expect to
be killfiled yourself. [Jerry], with the brackets is also a
recognized signal.
4. Figured out that arguing with trolls is useless but still want
to talk about trolls by referring to them in the third person? Put
"ninnyboy" in the subject line then too. That subject is boring
too.
5. Trim quoted posts to include only the part you're responding
to. Quoting an entire long post in order to respond to only a small
piece of it is annoying. Again, if you don't do this, expect to be
killfiled.
6. Understand Candace. Candace is an automatic program that
answers troll posts automatically, repetititively and relentlessly.
Most of us find these posts boring after a short while and killfile
it too.
That's O.K. You can't hurt its feelings.
7. Show no fear. Have a question or need to admit that
you've made errors in dog training in the past? This is
still a good place to come for (often contradictory) advice.
Use your own judgment to decide what advice to follow and
what not to. No harm can come to you even if people vehemently
disagree, call you names or repost your old messages.
8. Label off-topic threads as "OT." A label helps people
decide what to read and what not to.
9. Check the F.A.Q. for answers to frequent non-complicated
questions.
10. Don't post pictures. This is not a binary newsgroup. That's
plain text only, no HTML, no attachments. If you'd like, post a
pointer to a website with pictures on it.
11. Don't crosspost. It's bad enough when someone posts something
dog related to all the groups having to do with dogs. It's worse
when totally unrelated groups get tossed in the mix. Feel like you
absolutely have to jump in on something that's been crossposted to
unrelated groups? Erase the extraneous ones when you answer.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Julia Altshuler <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:53:18 GMT
Subject: OT - Should I bring back the occasional post?
The subject line says it all.
When I started posting the occasional post, the idea
was to help new people understand what's going on with
the annoyances on this newsgroup.
I wanted to help them understand that anything they had
to say on the subject had been said before, wouldn't do
any long term good and would bore a bunch of people in
the short term. I stopped because I wasn't sure I was
accomplishing my goal. Now I'm not so sure. I'm seeing
so many unmarked arguments with the annoyances.
Any opinions?
I'm not taking a vote, but I do care what the regulars think.
For new people, the occasional post is as follows. Do you
think that seeing it when you first started posting would
have helped?
Would it be more useful if it weren't so precise and wordy?
Maybe something shorter? I'm thinking it needs an update.
--Lia
-------------
SEE?
Told ya so.
Here's tommy sorenson of sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL
and SHOCK COLLAR trainin SALES aka the miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin child an spHOWES abusin anonymHOWES
active accute chronic life long incurable mental case punk
thug coward aka not so handsome, not so gentle, not so
manly
jackass, not even jack morrison, aka joey finochiarrio aka
BIG DADDY aka DOGMAN HEELPIN dogs:
tommy sez:
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
And then he sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
You mean like HOWE when you HOWEsbreak a dog an
you beat IT with a switch or heavy man's leather belt and
tie him next to his evil deed and return to BEAT HIM every
twenty minutes, tommy?
tommy SEZ:
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens"
"Swatting a dog on the nose is always the wrong thing to do."
From: qbt...@v1.arg (Dogman)
Date: 1997/01/24
Subject: Re: Over-Excited Lab
On a cold day in Hell, Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:53:10
Teaching a puppy to stop biting and nipping people is
probably the very easiest thing you will ever do as a dog
trainer. Don't make such a big deal out of it.
It's E-A-S-Y, but it won't be done in just one or
two lessons. You must be C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T.
And P-A-T-I-E-N-T.
Whenever your puppy bites or nips you (or anyone else
in your family), do any one of the following:
1.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice,
gently but firmly tap your puppy on its nose with your index
finger.
2.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice, gently but
firmly grasp your puppy's lower jaw with your right hand (if you are
right handed), your right thumb stuck down and under her tongue,
your other fingers wrapped under her jaw, and gently but firmly
shake her jaw back and forth a couple of times.
3.) At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice, gently
place a couple of fingers into her mouth, trying to touch the
back of her tongue with them, initiating a gag reflex.
Immediately after doing any one of the above, stop playing
with her for at least 15-20 minutes and completely IGNORE
her. Do not even make eye contact!
I promise you, Phil, that if you will be consistent in
the application of the above, your puppy will soon stop
nipping and biting people. Just how soon this occurs depends
upon the puppy, how well you execute the above, and how
C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T you are. And no one should be allowed
to play with the puppy who is not capable of doing any of
the above. Not until she has first learned not to nip
and bite people.
"At the very FIRST nip, tap your puppy on his nose with your
index finger, sharply, but not very hard, your face in his
face, and say "NO BITE!" in a firm but not loud voice."
"With your index finger, tap the puppy on her nose firmly,
but not harshly, then, at the very same time, and nose to
nose with her, tell your puppy in a firm but not loud voice,
"NO BITE!"
"At the same time you say "NO BITE!" in a firm voice, gently
but firmly tap your puppy on its nose with your index finger."
BUT NEVER HIT YOUR DOG~!
Swatting a dog on the nose is always the wrong thing to do.
IMO, the *fastest* way to curb a mouthy puppy's desire to bite hands
(especially if other methods have failed, because you don't want
this
habit to become reinforced by too much success), etc., is to take
advantage of the pup's gag reflex:
Slowly reach over and around the pup's shoulder (while you're
sitting
on the floor), coming up to the pup's mouth from underneath it with
your right hand (that way he can't see your finger or your hand),
and
stick your index finger into the pup's mouth, at the very rear, then
down the pup's throat, and gently place some downward pressure on
the
back of the tongue, until he starts to gag. Use your left arm to
hold
him close to you, while you're doing this. Trust me, it's easier to
demonstrate this technique than to explain it, but it's fail-proof.
He'll quickly put 2 and 2 together. Biting hands = gag.
--
Handsome Jack Morrison
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
------------------------
From: osi...@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls at me sometimes.
When he growls at me he stares me in the face and lays his
ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be allowed
to do that. They suggest shaking down the dog by grabing
the dog on the sides of his neck and picking him off his
front feet, then giving the dog the same sort of treatment
the dog would give another if it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
----------------------
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have
a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to progress to
striking them more sharply.
REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually,
the dog will give in
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.
Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear."
Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL
Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME she LIES abHOWET it?:
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive," dahl.
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.
BWEEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!!
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things
is something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
BWEEEHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump
with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran
back to the line and cast him back to the dummies,"
lying frosty dahl.
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL, LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
>>> He was next to me and I could see his neck
>>> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>>> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
========
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63...@4ax.com...
Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the shit out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relationship based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
-----------------------
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@hotmail.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
> joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat,"Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@lppi.ucsf.edu
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project University of California,
San Francisco http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> One of the things that frustrates me the most about agility
> is that people seem to think that ALL dogs are fragile,
> shrinking flowers who cannot be corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take correction so
much to heart -- I'll try something different. Right now,
he's
just getting the confidence to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.net>:
> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
> suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
> that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
> the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
> crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
From: Rocky <2...@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 16 Sep 2003 03:47:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Dominant Agressive Puppy????
Nessa said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> the only thing I remember learning from a spanking was to
> run faster than my dad and NOT GET CAUGHT. so what does
> that say?
I learned to put a comic book down the back of my pants. And
sometimes my parents pretended not to notice. In retrospect,
that's pretty cool.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FE730764918au...@130.133.1.4...
> Melinda Shore wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > But he's the one producing the training MATTerial.
> Ack. You just gave him some moore ammunition.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am
Email: australian.sheph...@cadvision.com.invalid (Rocky)
In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the classics, most
notably a 150 year old leather-bound edition of the
"Count of Monte Cristo".
It was slow going at first, but once he got into it
he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"dallygirl" <kwic...@hotmail.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many cases
> causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of dogs'
well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHHAAA!!!
Abuse / fear / aggression / hyperactivity / shyness / suicide
attempts AIN'T a chemical imbalance or genetic problem it's
a SPIRITUAL problem, passed on from WON generatiHOWEN
of abuser to the next, like the 100th monkey washin fruit in the
stream. After a while it's not just NORMAL, it's OBLIGATORY.
To do otherWIZE would be DISRESPECTFUL of your parental teachins.
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear,
Hate, Reflex, Self Will,
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Guilt, Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness,
Aversion, Attraction, Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion,
Change, Permanence, Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition,
And
Parental / ReligiHOWES / Societal Conditioning.
YOU ARE THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.
It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
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I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
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THIS IS A CAT GROUP. WE TALK ABOUT CATS HERE..NOT DOGS, NOT GOATS, NOT
PARROTS & NOT EVEN DOGS, UNLESS IT IS IN PASSING CONVERSTAION.....
YOU ARE MALICIOUS, RUDE AND A BLOODY NUICANCE....
SO MAY I SUGGEST THAT YOU TRY STARTING YOUR OWN GROUP?
YOU SEEM TO HAVE PLENTY MATERIAL TO FILL UP YOUR TIME AND SPACE, SO
THAT YOU DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO POST HERE!
GOOD DAY.
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Subject: Re: ARSHOLE FOR HIRE
"sheelagh" <sheelag...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:
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> On 30 May, 12:43,
> Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com
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> THIS IS A CAT GROUP.
No, THESE ARE The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
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> WE TALK ABOUT CATS HERE..
No, WE talk abHOWET critter heelth and behavior HERE.
YOU can talk abHOWET kats on rec.pets.kats.anecdotes /
community or any other news group that'll enterTRAIN you.
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As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A HORSE Is A HORSE;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES;
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer.
The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
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> NOT DOGS, NOT GOATS, NOT PARROTS &
> NOT EVEN DOGS, UNLESS IT IS IN PASSING
> CONVERSTAION.....
No, sheelagh. Behaviorally and heelthWIZE, they're
ALL the SAME SAME SAME SAME <{}: ~ ) >.
> YOU ARE MALICIOUS, RUDE AND A BLOODY NUICANCE....
HOWE COME would you post your idiocy and lies to The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
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Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory UNLESS you're a Masochist
OR a ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE LONG INCURABLE MENTAL
CASE, sheelagh <{)'; ~ ) >
> SO MAY I SUGGEST THAT YOU TRY
> STARTING YOUR OWN GROUP?
THAT'S EXXXACLY PRECISELY what The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett And Horsey Wizard has
DONE, sheelagh. YOU'RE SETTIN IN IT <{}; ~ ) >
If you got any QUESTIONS, please cross post them to the
apupriate groups for your own personal speedy reply <{}: ~ ) >
> YOU SEEM TO HAVE PLENTY MATERIAL
> TO FILL UP YOUR TIME
Time is irrelevent, immaterial and inconsequential, sheelagh.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett And Horsey
Wizard has INVESTED forty sumpthin years gettin here with
HIS message, kinda like Moses done, eh, sheelagh???
> AND SPACE,
The SPACE is BOUGHT an PAID FOR by my work, sheelagh.
If you or any other self puported EXXXPERT wants to TAKE
IT BACK, you'll need to rely on better INFORMATION and
you won't see me nodoGdameneDMOORE <{}: ~ ) >
TILL THEN, WELCOME TO The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferett And Horsey Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
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And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{}: ~ ) >
Set DHOWEN! Take off your shoes. Care for a stick of gum?
Smoke 'm if you got 'm. The activity of chewin smokin pacin
or even twiddlin your thumbs INCREASES brain wave activity
an HEELPS you THINK clearer an faster, sheelagh <{}: ~ ) >
Perhaps you should do all of them while joggin in place as
you read an study the INFORMATON you desperately NEED.
> SO THAT YOU DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO POST HERE!
What you and your pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life long
incurable MENTAL CASE PALS do to innocent defenseless
dumb critters IS CRIMINALLY INSANE, sheelagh <{}: ~ ( >
The NEED for DECENT, INTELLIGENT, NON ABUSIVE behavior
and NATURAL heelth METHODS are what groomed Jerry Howe
to become "THE UNMENTIONABLE WON" <{}: ~ ) >
It's punks like YOU who MADE ME, HIM~!
THANK YOU, WON AN ALL!
> GOOD DAY.
LikeWIZE, sheelagh <{}'; ~ ) >
Here, take this with you:
From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST
Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.
A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.
She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.
-----------
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue,
Animal Commissioner Brevard Co FL, writes:
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems. I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter
approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member
of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC
agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the
Alliance for Careand Welfare of Animals (on the board are:
county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club,
CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of animal
control, director of two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine.
---------------------
Hi Jerry,
Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile
(3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We
are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog
is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near
her. Not perfect but much improved!
I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears
to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we
have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send
an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and
Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the
same problems with their cats.
It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights.
Thanks, Elaine
---------------
Hi,
Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number
of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the
next setting and see if that will completely solve our
problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the
spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work.
Will let you know.
Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat
spray problems though you might want to recommend that
they do what we did.
We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme
product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a
long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or
two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the
success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to
constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up
with.
I don't know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats.
Elaine.
------------------------------
Hi Jerry,
I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since
borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very
highly of it.
So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no
comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,
I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really
going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.
So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.
I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I
wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house
and if she would notice :)
I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues
Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God
bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I
also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.
So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.
Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I
think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must
help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices
homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I
would think it would be right up her alley.
Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life
================
Desiree (New Leash), is a member of the Space Cats
Rescue in Melbourn, FL. She wrote me after using Doggy
Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) for just TWO DAYS. She'd
borrowed it from Elaine, but Elaine called her back and
asked her to return it A.S.A.P., because she needed it to
keep her problem cat from bullying the others. Her post
wasn't sent as an endorsement, it was just her private email
to me:
"I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until
Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with
the night effect. I wasn't so sure about the
amount of the day time effect. Until I took it
back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into
Elaine's house and if she would notice :)"
Hi Jerry, (update 10/31/00)
Teddy, my friend, with the very alpha male Siamese cat reports
all is well. She has been running DDR for well over a week now
and JR has not beaten up on any of the other cats. Gillie the
smallest female cat was living in the bathroom and JR was
attacking her every day.
Teddy forgot to close the bathroom door the second day she
had the DDR and came home to good news "no hair all over
the room." Now she is leaving the bathroom door open all the
time and JR has not attacked Gillie.
Gillie used to be able to sleep with Teddy on the bed but
JR got soooo....bad he would almost maul her if she came
into the bedroom.
Teddy told me that yesterday Gillie came into the bedroom
and JR just looked at her and ignored her.
Teddy is so grateful as she was considering putting JR outside
or having him euthanized. Will update you in another week or so.
Thanks, Elaine
------------
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal
Commissioner Brevard Co FL, writes:
Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting
and time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep.
from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of
animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space
Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenet work.com
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I
am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no
copyright on it as did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the
world get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the
mark's of this world, with some occasional successes.
I guess that's variable reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
--------------------
From: "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Hello Misty
Well, Jerry, Zelda is just about a perfect dog <bg> but.....
do you think the DDR would work on my Cockatoo?
He's been screaming alot lately.. the baby is starting
to crawl and it has the bird very nervous.
Buddy bit the baby the other day when Joey used his cage to
climb up and stand with. He almost got him last night when
Joey was stealing Mac & cheese from out of Buddy's cage
(never trust your hubby to watch _all_3 boys <s>).
Here's my addy... <SNIP>
I would definitely post about using it. It's not
like I care what the others think, eh?
~misty
------------
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message:
Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read! Course my little
gray box seems to be working... Buddy stopped biting the baby! No
negative side-effects seen occurring...not to the bird, the other
bird or Zelda.
~misty
From: misty
Date: Thurs, Apr 4 2002 9:40 pm
Email: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was
stressed out by my then just learning to walk baby.
Buddy was screaming day and night..lunging at Joey whenever
he crawled up to Buddy's cage and nipping the baby ( if Buddy
wanted to his beak is powerful enough to sever an adult's
finger in one snap!)
At first we noticed nothing... after a few days ..nothing..
nothing except quiet :-)
That's not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he'a a 'Too..
but the late nght scream-a-thons ended.
He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh> just
what I want...2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in his water
until there's more water on the floor and walls than in his dish :-)
Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons... for a few days
each time. It takes that long for me to realize the DDR is unplugged
:-O
Once cos DH did some maintenance and forgot to plug it back in (of
course he remembered to plug the washing machine back in ;-P)
The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping...and forgot
to plug it back in...
We sure enjoy him being such a good bird! He's been so loving to
everyone... my older 2 boys love being able to give him scritches
again.
~misty
(No, Jerry, you can't have the DDR back just yet! :-)
---------
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG.
I have a very loud cockatoo who has been having
problems adjusting to my 8 month old son. Joey
is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's
cage as a hold on for dear life object.
Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey..
my older two boys went through this stage in a
different house where Buddy had his own room and
the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans.
Joey has been driving him nuts! He showed his
disapproval by non-stop screaming. A cockatoo
scream can be heard a block away with all the
widows shut <g> being in the house it makes
your ears pop and your nerves crawl.
Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions
on how to use it. He answered my questions quite
politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where
Buddy is located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior.
Then I realized after a week that he no longer screamed
for hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely
<bg> he still demands his share of all meals. But he doesn't
start screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_ to go to bed.
Last week he had a day where he screamed all day.
My nerves were frazzled.
I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's instructions.
I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and
left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and
quit screaming.
In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts
come to my house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie.
He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who
is very friendly with my kids and Zelda.
I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like
the methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like
things that are free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail
him and get advice whenever I need it.
Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks
the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree
in electronics, knows alot about radios and anything mechanical...
he's a jack of all trades around the house <g>).
He does NDT for a living. We don't expect to need the DDR
forever.. As soon as Joey is walking, Buddy will realize
that he's not a strange animal.. some kind of furless dog
or c*t <bg>.
So, yes, there are some of us out here who do appreciate
Jerry's methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars".
Honey, flies that sort of thing.... ~misty
----------
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I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
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HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU?
is_this_nym_too_long_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
caps lock.
Your caps lock is stuck again.
Here's how to find it:
look at us we're beautiful
is_this_nym_too_long_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
> caps lock.
> Your caps lock is stuck again.
>
> Here's how to find it:
>
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/blogimages/caps_2Dlock.jpg
she knows where to find it you idiot! she was yelling
SHE WAS YELLING!!! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
YES! YOU'RE NYM IS TOO LONG, YOU'RE ************ FUCKING UP***********
MY VIEW
how_about_this_nym_is_it_still_too_long_gee_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
wrote:
> On May 31, 12:08 am,
>
> > caps lock.
> > Your caps lock is stuck again.
>
> > Here's how to find it:
>
> >http://www.gottabemobile.com/blogimages/caps_2Dlock.jpg
>
> she knows where to find it you idiot! she was yelling
>
> SHE WAS YELLING!!! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?
>
> YES! YOU'RE NYM IS TOO LONG, YOU'RE ************ FUCKING UP***********
> MY VIEW
I'm sorry, but you also seem to have a problem with your caps lock.
Find this button
http://www.gottabemobile.com/blogimages/caps_2Dlock.jpg
and press it.
look at us we're beautiful
how_about_this_nym_is_it_still_too_long_gee_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
> Find this buttonhttp://www.gottabemobile.com/blogimages/caps_2Dlock.jpg
> and press it.
[6~
that's cat poo on a plate. coiled up and steaming.
have some
sheelagh
how_about_this_nym_is_it_still_too_long_gee_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, your wrong. I don't have a problem with it at all........
You have a problem reading it seems?
S;o)
sheelagh
is_this_nym_too_long_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
I stand corrected. Ir seems I missed the word "AGAIN",
I HOPE THAT DOESN'T PISS YOU OFF TOO MUCH?
When I read that specific word, I realised Who made this post.
There is a choice of 1 of 2people who might remember this incident
enough to re-post it, & we both know who that is, don't we Barry?
From: "sheelagh" <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: 30 Dec 2006, 20:47
Subject: Names Please For B's Wonderful Little Kitty (Photo Provided)
To: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
roofrabbitwrote:
> sheelagh wrote:
> > The main problem in this instance, Is that I did not understand what
> > you referring to when you said that cap's locking annoyed you.
> > To correct the mistake, I need to know what caps locking means?
> > One has to understand the terminology before one can correct one's
> > mistake's.
> > It is totally unintentional, I assure you.
>http://s43.photobucket.com/albums/e362/kp5insd/th_CapsLock.jpg
LOL, Very funny indeed :o)
I figured out where It Is, and It's function too. To understand the
whole
story & appreciate the picture, you need to read through the postings
Bunny?!!
BUT IF you can't be bothered to, I will explain in plain English(well,
My version of English)..
I haven't been reading or writing for very long. I still have problems
with grammar & spelling.
Cyber & a few other people have been helping me with it.
It has been a short standing joke, rather than a long standing one.
If you would like to help me too, I would be more than happy to accept
It.
I may have been illiterate, but I can't remember saying anything about
being a retard.........
----------------------------------------------------------
Was this the same post you were referring to?
There. All nicely laid out for you too...
As you once said Barry. If there is nothing else to talk about, just
pick on some one's style of writing & you'll have the whole group
spitting sparks.. do you remember that Barry?
S;o)
Ps: Have a nice day
mik
Maybe you can read? If not ask someone to do it for you. This is a
dogs place. You are, presuntly, bitching & yelping against
crossposting dogs' bussiness in a cats' place. Why the bloody hell are
you crossposting about what happens in a cats place in a dogs place
then? You can't eat it and keep it. It's one way or another. You don't
want crossposting, do not crosspost yourself. You crosspost, then you
are recognizing the right of others to do so. Ah, and better keep a
bloody civil tongue, lady, or you'll be known forever as shitlag...
I wish you what you deserves.
mik
wrote:
Aw, shut up, stupid. They are talking to the cat, not to her bloody
copulated fleas.
mik
wrote:
Do not play with your food, naughty girlie.
John Oliver
Please keep this in your silly cat group. Do not crosspost over into
other groups... nobody else cares.
--
* John Oliver http://www.john-oliver.net/ *
how_about_this_nym_is_it_still_too_long_gee_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
>
> - Show quoted text -
Man...all I gotta do is crank the box once, and the monkey dances for
pages and pages!
Good enough, tho... shee can use the practice. Imbecile.
sheelagh
Please refer to the OP about this issue.
I am not cross posting because I wish to, merely because the OP felt
it necessary to .
I do hope that you can see why this has come about, & take the matter
up with the man concerned.
I responded because we are all sick of pages full of this insane
freak's boorish attitude and unpleasant nature, & downright rude
comments.
I have no wish to take any more of your time up, & hope that you find
a cure for this individual.
S.
sheelagh
How incredibly mutual.....
I feel instinctively repulsed by you too.
I hope that your just deserts are swift & extremely choking too.
Lest you be known as the Mic the Bitching mole troll.
I wasn't rude to you in any shape, manner or form.
All I asked, was that the OP leave us in peace.
If you have"issues", take them up with him.
I didn't cross post this... He did!!
Lynne
wrote:
> I responded because we are all sick of pages full of this insane
> freak's boorish attitude and unpleasant nature, & downright rude
> comments.
Sheelagh, you really need to get a real newsreader and learn to use the
killfile. (I thought you were going to do this?)
FYI, no one reads the self-proclaimed Puppy Wizard's drivel, and no one who
has been around for any length of time wants to see people replying to him.
He's been doing this for YEARS and people who have him killfiled will
typically just killfile anyone who replies to him, too. (He has a band of
groupies who run around after him, shrieking and complaining, who IMO are
just as bad as he is.)
--
Lynne
look at us we're beautiful
> Aw, shut up, stupid. They are talking to the cat, not to her bloody
> copulated fleas.- Hide quoted text -
wow, this one's smart as a whip
look at us we're beautiful
> I wish you what you deserves.
mik can be your bitch.
he seems more than willing
look, we haven't always seen things eye to eye
just to show you no hard feelings
you can have mik @ no charge
no need to thank me
look at us we're beautiful
> FYI, no one reads the self-proclaimed Puppy Wizard's drivel, and no one who
> has been around for any length of time wants to see people replying to him.
> He's been doing this for YEARS and people who have him killfiled will
> typically just killfile anyone who replies to him, too. (He has a band of
> groupies who run around after him, shrieking and complaining, who IMO are
> just as bad as he is.)
I would say, "you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater" but!
you're right! for the few nuggets of good info pw brings to the table,
it's not worth all the digging you have to do
not enough juice for the squeeze
he's got some good stuff in his posts, but you really have to pull the
mess apart, then examine ea piece to see if it's worth digesting.
sheelagh
> on Thu, 31 May 2007 19:47:04 GMT, sheelagh <sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk>
Then I am sorry for responding to him.
He just got inside my space & I did the wrong thing.
He really is not worth the bother.
S;o)
Charlie Wilkes
oliver.net says...
can be made to care. Or at least that's the hope.
Charlie
Charlie Wilkes
sheelag...@hotmail.co.uk says...
> I responded because we are all sick of pages full of this insane
> freak's boorish attitude and unpleasant nature, & downright rude
> comments.
>
> I have no wish to take any more of your time up, & hope that you find
> a cure for this individual.
There is no cure for Jerry Howe, Sheelagh. People have spent the past
decade looking for one. At one point a woman named Karen J. Cravens set
up a bot to autopost a response to every one of Jerry's posts, advising
people to killfile him.
But that was years ago. Now Karen J. Cravens is dead and gone, and
Jerry lives on. There is an object lesson to be found in that, don't
you think?
Charlie
how_about_this_nym_is_it_still_too_long_gee_i'm_awfully_sorry_about_that_and_will_take_steps_to_correct_this_soon
wrote:
> Please refer to the OP about this issue.
>
> I am not cross posting because I wish to, merely because the OP felt
> it necessary to .
Translation: either she is too stupid to realize she is crossposting,
or the OP is holding a gun to her head and forcing her to crosspost.
look at us we're beautiful
wrote:
> But that was years ago.
bots, hmmm
interesting
The_Spirit_Of_Truth_beeyotches_better_recognize_I_come_in_the_name_of_jeebus_by_the_power_of_the_holy_spurt
> sheelagh_mad...@hotmail.co.uk says...
shee couldn't find a clue if you stapled it to her forehead
next caller
John Oliver
Please keep this crap out of the dog groups. We don't care.
John Oliver
Please keep this crap out of the dog groups. We don't care.
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John Oliver
Please keep this crap out of the dog groups. We don't care.
--
John Oliver
John Oliver
look at us we're beautiful
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<rubbing my monitor>
will santana wanna be "n. andrews" ever contribute anything worth
reading
his biggest hit for the past year was about a dead Jerry Falwell.
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sheelagh
I do Charlie...I do...
I guess I should have researched Mr Howe slightly better before
posting..Or rather, had I researched him I would not have posted @
all.
As for the other one.. I know there is no hope at all for that one.
It is a little hard to like someone that has no respect for
themselves, never mind others. I actually feel quite sorry for someone
that simply lives to manipulate. I can't imagine what It must be like.
I have no wish to find out either.
look at us we're beautiful
> Please keep this crap out of the dog groups. We don't care.
sshhh