Nasty smell from cat
Kelly Green
cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap or
will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds people
of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
from and what's causing it?
--
"They can not ask for kindness, or for mercy plead.
Yet cruel is our blindness, which does not see their need.
World-over, town or city, God trusts us with this task;
To give our love and pity to those who can not ask."
-- Unknown --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mishi
> We've noticed one of our cats, about 10 months old and spayed, has a nasty
> cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
> feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
> amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap or
> will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds
> people
> of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
> from and what's causing it?
Probably coming from her anal glands. They may be infected, or just
overfull. It is a wonder that the vet didn't do anything about it. My
Squeek (RB) used to 'release' her anal glands when she was upset. Man,
did that stink, and the smell stuck around for quite some time!
Mishi
Takayuki
>We've noticed one of our cats, about 10 months old and spayed, has a nasty
>cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
>feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
>amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap or
>will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds people
>of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
>from and what's causing it?
In hoomins, I think this would indicate a need to check for a yeast or
fungal infection such as thrush. I haven't heard of this in a cat
before though. I hope she'll be ok and can get treated for it.
Bill Graham
"Mishi" <mish...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Was "Squeek" a black cat with a white stripe running down the middle of her
back?
Joy
Petzl
wrote:
>We've noticed one of our cats, about 10 months old and spayed, has a nasty
>cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
>feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
>amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap or
>will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds people
>of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
>from and what's causing it?
Not having Cat Parties with old boyfriends?
Petzl
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Happy New Year to All
cybercat
"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Happy New Year, Petzl. :) Meanwhile, this 10-month-old cat needs a VET
visit. Had the kitten had a vet visit, there would be some sort of answer.
What a piece of shit you are, "Kelly."
Kelly Green
I'm very disappointed in the vets out here in the country. I wont go into a
long story, but we don't get the cream of the crop if you get my drift. She
couldn't find any problems with her anal glands but I'm positive that's
where the odor is coming from. They weren't inflamed, swollen or leaking.
There were no discharges. There's another Animal Clinic in town but they too
have nothing but new graduates with little real clinic experience.
Kelly Green
Cat parties? She's an indoor-only cat.
Petzl
wrote:
>>
>> Not having Cat Parties with old boyfriends?
>
>Cat parties? She's an indoor-only cat.
If you leave a door or window open while you sleep a Tom can sneak in
and out (anyhow just a thought)
Petzl
--
I am.You are.We are Australian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6OFzDq3Ow&feature=related
Bill Graham
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 01:08:41 -0600, "Kelly Green" <fake...@fake.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Not having Cat Parties with old boyfriends?
>>
>>Cat parties? She's an indoor-only cat.
>
> If you leave a door or window open while you sleep a Tom can sneak in
> and out (anyhow just a thought)
>
> Petzl
My B-K sneaks into the neighbor's houses all the time.....But he's fixed, so
it couldn't have been him.....:^)
MatSav
news:hhjsoi$vos$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
<snip an insult aimed at Kelly, after a normal greeting>
If you'd read all of Kelly's messages, you'll have discovered
that Kelly's cat has already seen a vet. Kelly explained she's
not happy with the vet's experience and diagnosis, but her
options for alternative vets are extremely limited.
I think you owe her an apology.
--
MatSav
jmcquown
in message news:GImdnTUDzO6JWqDW...@pipex.net...
Kelly will never get an apology from "cybercat". She's worse than a troll
since she never really goes away. (The reason I snipped the cross-posting
is I sure as hell don't want to encourage her to post to rpca.) I've had
her killfiled for *years*. Literally.
Jill
Mischief
I agree its possibly something to do with the anal glands. I'd take
her to the local vet to get it checked out, and possibly have the anal
gland express in case they are impacted, and pray that the cat doesn't
have an anal gland abcess
Kristi
jmcquown
news:4b3d9e88$0$2434$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com...
(Cross-posting snipped)
I'm not sure I'd discount the new grads. Laws vary by state, but I'm
guessing once they pass the boards to become licensed they often do a
residency (just like M.D.'s) supervised by an experienced vet. New
graduates may also be more "up" on the latest health info.
Jill
MatSav
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> "MatSav" <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot
> | com> wrote in message
> news:GImdnTUDzO6JWqDW...@pipex.net...
>> "cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:hhjsoi$vos$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> <snip an insult aimed at Kelly, after a normal greeting>
>>
>>
>> I think you owe her an apology.
>>
>> --
>> MatSav
>>
> (Cross-posting snipped)
>
> Kelly will never get an apology from "cybercat". She's worse
> than a troll since she never really goes away. (The reason I
> snipped the cross-posting is I sure as hell don't want to
> encourage her to post to rpca.) I've had her killfiled for
> *years*. Literally.
>
Ah, OK. Cybercat, meet litterbox. *plonk*.
Sorry, I missed the x-post - usually the sign of a troll.
--
MatSav
Poppa McDonald
dog I had because they squeezed his glands. That wasn't even the
reason we were there. They did a bad job on a large dog and left him
with a terrible infection, severe bleeding and he almost died. I'd
hate to see what would happen to a small animal like a cat where they
couldn't get a good grip on the glands to squeeze. I'll never let that
happen to another animal I have.
The rest of the dogs life he had Hemorrhoids that caused lots of
problems.
Poppa
cybercat
"MatSav" <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> wrote
in message news:GImdnTUDzO6JWqDW...@pipex.net...
Not even.
MLB
IMHO sometimes the new ones do a better job. You know the old saying:
A new broom sweeps clean. They are still enthusiastic and love the job.
Best wishes. MLB
jmc
> Kelly Green wrote:
>>
>> I'm very disappointed in the vets out here in the country. I wont go
>> into a long story, but we don't get the cream of the crop if you get
>> my drift. She couldn't find any problems with her anal glands but I'm
>> positive that's where the odor is coming from. They weren't inflamed,
>> swollen or leaking. There were no discharges. There's another Animal
>> Clinic in town but they too have nothing but new graduates with little
>> real clinic experience.
>
>
>
> IMHO sometimes the new ones do a better job. You know the old saying: A
> new broom sweeps clean. They are still enthusiastic and love the job.
> Best wishes. MLB
I'd agree with this. Anal glad problems aren't exactly uncommon; I'd
take her to the townies. They very well might see what your old vet missed.
jmc
Bill Graham
"jmc" <NOnewsgr...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message
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One of the things I liked about living in the San Francisco Bay area was its
proximity to the University of California at Davis school of veterinary
medicine. I knew a lady who had a dog that contracted heart worms back in
the 70's. Her vet told her that there was nothing they could do for him. She
piled him into her van and drove him to her vet back in Nebraska where she
was from, and he cured the dog. I felt a lot safer when I found out about
Cal Davis and their Vet program later on. They would have been able to cure
her dog too.
Mark Earnest
"MLB" <mlbr...@nonesuch.com> wrote in message
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Yes, they're fresh out of cat school, and have learned the very latest
on assisting lovable felines...you would surely think, anyway.
Jofirey
reputation and nearly all our vets have been from that school. Since
our current vet is from the school, and I think spends several days
there a week in addition to his local practice, I know he know what
is happening there. He also knows who and where the best
specialists are and can get you to them. Twice when we were breeding
we had pups born without proper knee sockets. Found the orthopedic
vet that specializes in newborns and had them fixed for life in no
time. Only problem was getting the staff to return my puppies once
they hand fed them for a few days and bonded with them.
Jo
Christina Websell
"Poppa McDonald" <pmd@had_a_farm.com> wrote
> The rest of the dogs life he had Hemorrhoids that caused lots of
> problems.
Whatever your poor chap had afterwards, it was not haemorrhoids. Only
bipeds get them (allegedly)
Tweed
Christina Websell
and not sure how she got out.
It's such a pity she has such a poor delivery as she actually knows quite a
lot which would be useful if calling people names didn't put her in
killfiles. It's counter-productive.
Tweed
Allan Smith
Episodic or continuous? Is she grooming the area unusually or excesively?
Does she seem distressed in any way?
Allan
--
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---
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that they claim for themselves.
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Kelly Green
"Takayuki" <Takay...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Are you talking about mouth or ear odor in cats? This odor is coming from
her rear end but the vet couldn't find any problems with her anal glands.
Sometimes she has no odor at all. Some days it's really bad, that's why I
took her to have the vet check her. I thought the vet might find something
we missed.
MatSav
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>
> "cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hhlagi$1vk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "MatSav" <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex |
>> dot | com> wrote in message
>> news:GImdnTUDzO6JWqDW...@pipex.net...
>>> "cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hhjsoi$vos$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> <snip an insult aimed at Kelly, after a normal greeting>
>>>
>>> If you'd read all of Kelly's messages, you'll have discovered
>>> that Kelly's cat has already seen a vet. Kelly explained
>>> she's not happy with the vet's experience and diagnosis, but
>>> her options for alternative vets are extremely limited.
>>>
>>> I think you owe her an apology.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Not even.
>>
> Not even if she had any politeness, Matt. She's been long in
> my killfile and not sure how she got out.
Cybercat now resides in my ng litterbox as well.
In this world of free speech, to paraphrase a well-known quote,
"I may not agree with what anyone says, but I'll defend their
right to say it (and, even more but, I don't have to listen to
what they say either)."
--
MatSav
honeybunch
On Dec 31 2009, 6:11 pm, "Kelly Green" <faken...@fake.net> wrote:
> We've noticed one of our cats, about 10 months old and spayed, has a nasty
> cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
> feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
> amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap or
> will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds people
> of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
> from and what's causing it?
Kelly Greene
> "Kelly Green" <fake...@fake.net> wrote in message
> news:4b3d9e88$0$2434$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com...
>> but they too have nothing but new graduates with little real clinic
>> experience.
>
> (Cross-posting snipped)
>
> I'm not sure I'd discount the new grads. Laws vary by state, but I'm
> guessing once they pass the boards to become licensed they often do a
> residency (just like M.D.'s) supervised by an experienced vet. New
> graduates may also be more "up" on the latest health info.
>
> Jill
I used to believe that also. But the old vets can think outside the box and
have practical hands on experience. Years of it. They've seen things the
new grads have not. The young ones "go by the book" and I believe that's
why we lost Lucky last Nov. They did the standard treatments which were not
working. She was getting sicker and sicker. They seemed offended when I
made the suggestion there was more wrong with her than just an inner ear
infection. I only wish my old vet were still alive. He went to continuing
education, was up on everything and took owners suggestions seriously. He
would also explain alternative treatments or make suggestions for other
tests.
The other clinic in town is owned by a retired veterinarian. How much time
he's actually there to supervise is debatable and the charges are very high.
They have you sit in the waiting room for an hour and then in the exam room
for another 20 to 30 mins. Most people I know don't go there anymore.
Kelly Green
> new broom sweeps clean. They are still enthusiastic and love the job.
> Best wishes. MLB
You may be right (see my post above) but hasn't been my experience with
them.
Kelly Green
"jmc" <NOnewsgr...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message
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>> Kelly Green wrote:
>
> I'd agree with this. Anal glad problems aren't exactly uncommon; I'd take
> her to the townies. They very well might see what your old vet missed.
>
> jmc
That's the problem. My old Vet passed away a few years ago and I've been
unable to find a vet with his experience and ability to diagnose problems.
The young ones I've been to so far are not very satisfactory. We're going
to be moving this coming year and hopefully I'll find a better vet there in
FL. We wont be living in a rural area as we are now so the choices will be
larger of where to go.
Kelly Green
> its proximity to the University of California at Davis school of
> veterinary medicine. I knew a lady who had a dog that contracted heart
> worms back in the 70's. Her vet told her that there was nothing they could
> do for him. She piled him into her van and drove him to her vet back in
> Nebraska where she was from, and he cured the dog. I felt a lot safer when
> I found out about Cal Davis and their Vet program later on. They would
> have been able to cure her dog too.
The young vets here told me there was nothing they could do for Lucky's
inner ear infection but keep giving her antibiotics that were doing no good
at all. After a month, the prednisolone didn't help her either. All she did
was crawl in circles. Then the seizures started and she couldn't swallow. I
was trickling milk and water down her throat and trying to get her to
swallow some food..... and those 2 young vets kept telling me it takes time.
Her rear legs gave out and she couldn't stand any more or walk. She lost
control of her bowels and bladder.... it got worse. "It takes time" they
mumbled over the phone. TIME??? What time? The cat was DYING!!!! Finally
my husband put his foot down and convinced me the cat's suffering had gone
on long enough. They were making money on the poor cat's suffering. He was
right. Rather than pay those s.o.b.'s one more penny we took her to the
Shelter and had her PTS. She didn't even seem to know what was going on at
that point. At this time I am very bitter about the vets I've had to deal
with since my old vet died.
Kelly Green
"Poppa McDonald" <pmd@had_a_farm.com> wrote in message
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> Kelly Green wrote:
They weren't inflamed,
>> swollen or leaking. There were no discharges. There's another Animal
>> Clinic in town but they too have nothing but new graduates with little
>> real clinic experience.
> You're lucky they didn't squeeze her glands. The vet almost killed a
> dog I had because they squeezed his glands. That wasn't even the
> reason we were there. They did a bad job on a large dog and left him
> with a terrible infection, severe bleeding and he almost died. I'd
> hate to see what would happen to a small animal like a cat where they
> couldn't get a good grip on the glands to squeeze. I'll never let that
> happen to another animal I have.
>
> The rest of the dogs life he had Hemorrhoids that caused lots of
> problems.
>
> Poppa
Her glands were palpated but not squeezed. It appears they're emptying on
their own as they should. Today she had no funky odor at all. Some days it's
strong. I've heard of infected anal glands in dogs rupturing on their own,
but am sure they can be by a person applying too much pressure. Since her
glands are not swollen or infected I can't see what a Vet can do for her
anyway. She doesn't lick at her butt or act like it's bothering her at all.
Kelly Green
"Poppa McDonald" <pmd@had_a_farm.com> wrote in message
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> Kelly Green wrote:
>> swollen or leaking. There were no discharges. There's another Animal
>> Clinic in town but they too have nothing but new graduates with little
>> real clinic experience.
> You're lucky they didn't squeeze her glands. The vet almost killed a
> dog I had because they squeezed his glands. That wasn't even the
> reason we were there. They did a bad job on a large dog and left him
> with a terrible infection, severe bleeding and he almost died. I'd
> hate to see what would happen to a small animal like a cat where they
> couldn't get a good grip on the glands to squeeze. I'll never let that
> happen to another animal I have.
>
> The rest of the dogs life he had Hemorrhoids that caused lots of
> problems.
>
> Poppa
Her glands were palpated but not squeezed. It appears they're emptying on
Kelly Green
>
> Kelly will never get an apology from "cybercat". She's worse than a troll
> since she never really goes away. (The reason I snipped the cross-posting
> is I sure as hell don't want to encourage her to post to rpca.) I've had
> her killfiled for *years*. Literally.
>
> Jill
For years? I haven't been here for "years," so you must be really
confused - or have me confused with someone else.
Kelly Green
"Petzl" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 01:08:41 -0600, "Kelly Green" <fake...@fake.net>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Not having Cat Parties with old boyfriends?
>>
>>Cat parties? She's an indoor-only cat.
>
> If you leave a door or window open while you sleep a Tom can sneak in
> and out (anyhow just a thought)
This isn't the smell of a tomcat. We have screens on our windows. :-) I'm
hoping the smell doesn't persist.
>
> Petzl
> --
> I am.You are.We are Australian
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6OFzDq3Ow&feature=related
Kelly Green
"Mischief" <fire...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 31 2009, 3:11 pm, "Kelly Green" <faken...@fake.net> wrote:
> We've noticed one of our cats, about 10 months old and spayed, has a nasty
> cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
> feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
> amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap
> or
> will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds
> people
> of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
> from and what's causing it?
> --
I agree its possibly something to do with the anal glands. I'd take
her to the local vet to get it checked out, and possibly have the anal
gland express in case they are impacted, and pray that the cat doesn't
have an anal gland abcess
Kristi
~~~~~~~
As stated above, she's already been seen by the local Vet who couldn't find
any problems with her anal glands. I wish my old vet was still alive as he
was a wonderful diagnostician. He also took his time. Now the vets rush you
through as quickly as the Dr's for humans do. It's like an assembly line and
they all have a script to follow. Very discouraging. I was hoping someone
else had experience with this cheesy funky "odor" problem in case it isn't
anal-gland related.
Kelly Green
"Allan Smith" <gues...@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
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> Kelly,
>
> Episodic or continuous?
Episodic. The smell comes and goes. There's no odor today at all. Also,
when she has the awful smell it doesn't get on the furniture or bedding.
Today she had no smell at all.
>Is she grooming the area unusually or excesively?
Not at all.
> Does she seem distressed in any way?
No. No distress. And this has been happening since we got her in Nov. I
was hoping the vet could shed some light on it but she was as mystified as I
am.
Kelly Green
"honeybunch" <doro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Why not take the cat to a groomer and have it bathed? Just try it.
Thanks for the suggestion but that wont find the cause of the odor. I can
bathe her myself. :-)
Kelly Green
"Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Yes, they're fresh out of cat school, and have learned the very latest
> on assisting lovable felines...you would surely think, anyway.
That's what I thought until I took that stray cat Lucky to the local vets
here....... I learned fast.
MatSav
Kelly, you misunderstand. it's Cybercat who is the "she"
referred to above. You're welcome here, it appears that cybercat
isn't. Indeed, one of Cybercat's replies to your original
request for help on your cat's problem was insulting to you
(although if you've not been on Usenet very long, you may not
have recognised the use of the abbreviation "POS").
--
MatSav
frie...@zoocrewphoto.com
> ~~~~~~~
> As stated above, she's already been seen by the local Vet who couldn't find
> any problems with her anal glands. I wish my old vet was still alive as he
> was a wonderful diagnostician. He also took his time. Now the vets rush you
> through as quickly as the Dr's for humans do. It's like an assembly line and
> they all have a script to follow. Very discouraging. I was hoping someone
> else had experience with this cheesy funky "odor" problem in case it isn't
> anal-gland related.
Honestly, it sounds like an anal gland problem. And that your vet may
have missed it, even he did check it.
The first time my cat had an anal gland problem, I smelled that bad
smell, looked at her but and saw some liquid squirt out. I took her to
the vet the next day, and the vet expressed her glands and found
tapeworm segments. The tapeworms were what caused my cat to fuss with
her glands, thus causing the smell. I got worming medication for every
cat in the household, and the problem was solved.
She did have one later episode, but that one cleared up on its own.
Adrian
Jill was revering to cybercat, the newsgroup bully.
--
Adrian (owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & (Shadow)
Allan Smith
If episodic, it is more likely would be anal glands or simply intestinal
gas.
To verify it is anal gland, swab the lower left and right peri-anal (five
o'clock and 7 o'clock positions) area with a q-tip when the odor is present
and do a sniff test. An alternative is to sniff a fresh stool. If the anal
glands are discharging, the q-tip stool will have the same odor as that you
smell, as the anal gland openings are just outside the anus, and the
compression of defecating will transfer some of the material to the stool.
If you can't verify the odor source there, an 'ob-gyn exam' might be
indicated. The easiest way is to slightly spread the labia majora, gently
swab the external vaginal area with a q-tip (an assistant would be a good
idea, and even then you'll probably only get one swipe), and sniff it. While
there, make sure the tissues are pink, not bright red, and that there is no
obvious discharge of white, yellow, brown or greenish material. If it apears
vaginal, she needs to see a vet. There have been rare cases of some of the
bones of a failed and spontaneously aborted fetus lodging in the cervix or
vagina and causing chronic infections. They will show on an x-ray.
For more on anal glands, see
http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/analglands.htm
For information on expressing them yourself (not recommended uness a vet or
groomer teaches you), and if you have the stomach for it, see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJStqOPCFdA
I would add that you should use a tissue or wipe to shield against possible
projectile squirts. IMO, that suff is second only to a skunk's in aroma.
Alcohol is best for removing and neutralizing the odor on human skin and
surfaces.
Now as to solutions - Using Baby Wipes to clean the anal area will
substantially reduce the odor when present, as it removes any material on
the skin around the gland, and contains some alcohol and antibacterials to
destroy the odor, and ingredients to moisturize the skin.
One of the primary causes of failure to empy the glands is soft stool or low
stool volume, as it does not produce as much compression of the glands
during defecation. Adding fiber to the diet to increase stool firmness and
volume will aid in the glands being expressed during defecation, and will
result in the transfer of the material to the stool rather than the
surrounding skin.
Allan
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Takayuki
>To verify it is anal gland, swab the lower left and right peri-anal (five
>o'clock and 7 o'clock positions) area with a q-tip when the odor is present
>and do a sniff test. An alternative is to sniff a fresh stool. If the anal
>glands are discharging, the q-tip stool will have the same odor as that you
>smell, as the anal gland openings are just outside the anus, and the
>compression of defecating will transfer some of the material to the stool.
>
>If you can't verify the odor source there, an 'ob-gyn exam' might be
>indicated. The easiest way is to slightly spread the labia majora, gently
>swab the external vaginal area with a q-tip (an assistant would be a good
>idea, and even then you'll probably only get one swipe), and sniff it. While
>there, make sure the tissues are pink, not bright red, and that there is no
>obvious discharge of white, yellow, brown or greenish material. If it apears
>vaginal, she needs to see a vet. There have been rare cases of some of the
>bones of a failed and spontaneously aborted fetus lodging in the cervix or
>vagina and causing chronic infections. They will show on an x-ray.
I like all your ideas here, including testing one area at a time. It
makes a lot of logical sense.
cybercat
<frie...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote :
>> they all have a script to follow. Very discouraging. I was hoping someone
>> else had experience with this cheesy funky "odor" problem in case it
>> isn't
>> anal-gland related.
>Honestly, it sounds like an anal gland problem. And that your vet may
> have missed it, even he did check it.
Isn't it funny how "Kelly"s" vet seems to miss so many things?
Bill Graham
>
> "Allan Smith" <gues...@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eN6dnRFMPpgF5KLW...@giganews.com...
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Episodic or continuous?
>
> Episodic. The smell comes and goes. There's no odor today at all. Also,
> when she has the awful smell it doesn't get on the furniture or bedding.
> Today she had no smell at all.
>
>>Is she grooming the area unusually or excesively?
>
> Not at all.
>
>> Does she seem distressed in any way?
>
> No. No distress. And this has been happening since we got her in Nov. I
> was hoping the vet could shed some light on it but she was as mystified as
> I am.
>
or she just doesn't process it properly.......In either case, you might try
to find out what it is by selectively controlling her diet.
Christina Websell
of sh*t?
I really must put you back in my bin.
Just did it.
Kelly Greene
"MatSav" <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> wrote
>> For years? I haven't been here for "years," so you must be really
>> confused - or have me confused with someone else.
>
> Kelly, you misunderstand. it's Cybercat who is the "she" referred to
> above. You're welcome here, it appears that cybercat isn't. Indeed, one
> of Cybercat's replies to your original request for help on your cat's
> problem was insulting to you (although if you've not been on Usenet very
> long, you may not have recognised the use of the abbreviation "POS").
>
Thank you for explaining. :-)
Kelly Green
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It was explained. :-) I've been ignoring her for some weeks now. ;-)
Kelly Green
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Honestly, it sounds like an anal gland problem. And that your vet may
have missed it, even he did check it.
The first time my cat had an anal gland problem, I smelled that bad
smell, looked at her but and saw some liquid squirt out. I took her to
the vet the next day, and the vet expressed her glands and found
tapeworm segments. The tapeworms were what caused my cat to fuss with
her glands, thus causing the smell. I got worming medication for every
cat in the household, and the problem was solved.
She did have one later episode, but that one cleared up on its own.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
My husband and I both have Dr's apts this week ourselves, but I'm going to
try and get an appt for her with the other Animal Hosp in town. There are
only 3 and this is the last one to try. I heard of a Clinic in another town
about 20 miles away and am waiting for the person to get back to me with the
name of the place. Seems there's a vet there very good with cats. I want to
make sure I call the right clinic.
Kelly Green
> Kelly,
>
> If episodic, it is more likely would be anal glands or simply intestinal
> gas.
>
> To verify it is anal gland, swab the lower left and right peri-anal (five
> o'clock and 7 o'clock positions) area with a q-tip when the odor is
> present and do a sniff test. An alternative is to sniff a fresh stool. If
> the anal glands are discharging, the q-tip stool will have the same odor
> as that you smell, as the anal gland openings are just outside the anus,
> and the compression of defecating will transfer some of the material to
> the stool.
OK... the odor is definitely coming from the anal area. She didn't go for
this one bit and believe me, she's a hard cat to control when she doesn't
like something. I'll have to try and catch her on the litter pan to see
about the fecal odor. Both of them use the same 2 pans and bury their stool
under a few inches of litter. It's impossible to tell who's stool is whose
unless I watch them go.
>
> If you can't verify the odor source there, an 'ob-gyn exam' might be
> indicated. The easiest way is to slightly spread the labia majora, gently
> swab the external vaginal area with a q-tip (an assistant would be a good
> idea, and even then you'll probably only get one swipe), and sniff it.
> While there, make sure the tissues are pink, not bright red, and that
> there is no obvious discharge of white, yellow, brown or greenish
> material. If it apears vaginal, she needs to see a vet. There have been
> rare cases of some of the bones of a failed and spontaneously aborted
> fetus lodging in the cervix or vagina and causing chronic infections. They
> will show on an x-ray.
I didn't get to swab that area quite as you described, but there doesn't
seem to be odor from there. She was spayed a young virgin so no pyo or dead
fetuses. She has no discharge from the vagina. It doesn't look inflamed.
>
> For more on anal glands, see
> http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/analglands.htm
>
> For information on expressing them yourself (not recommended uness a vet
> or groomer teaches you), and if you have the stomach for it, see
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJStqOPCFdA
There is nothing there but a black blank square on Utube using MozillaFF.
IE8 wont work because it says Javascript is turned off. I can't see where to
turn it on in that browser. These are the only 2 browsers I have. :*(
Any suggestions on how I can see this video? Anyway I can get it to
download?
> I would add that you should use a tissue or wipe to shield against
> possible projectile squirts. IMO, that suff is second only to a skunk's in
> aroma. Alcohol is best for removing and neutralizing the odor on human
> skin and surfaces.
I remember expressing the anal glands of dogs in the Animal Clinic where I
worked, but never a cat's anal glands.
>
> Now as to solutions - Using Baby Wipes to clean the anal area will
> substantially reduce the odor when present, as it removes any material on
> the skin around the gland, and contains some alcohol and antibacterials to
> destroy the odor, and ingredients to moisturize the skin.
Good idea. It's worth a try - if she lets me do it.
>
> One of the primary causes of failure to empy the glands is soft stool or
> low stool volume, as it does not produce as much compression of the glands
> during defecation. Adding fiber to the diet to increase stool firmness and
> volume will aid in the glands being expressed during defecation, and will
> result in the transfer of the material to the stool rather than the
> surrounding skin.
>
> Allan
Oddly enough her stood isn't soft. They're like little firm cigars.
MLB
>
> <frie...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
> news:c8f83b48-1c89-4135...@k23g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Honestly, it sounds like an anal gland problem. And that your vet may
> have missed it, even he did check it.
>
> The first time my cat had an anal gland problem, I smelled that bad
> smell, looked at her but and saw some liquid squirt out. I took her to
> the vet the next day, and the vet expressed her glands and found
> tapeworm segments. The tapeworms were what caused my cat to fuss with
> her glands, thus causing the smell. I got worming medication for every
> cat in the household, and the problem was solved.
>
> She did have one later episode, but that one cleared up on its own.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> My husband and I both have Dr's apts this week ourselves, but I'm going
> to try and get an appt for her with the other Animal Hosp in town. There
> are only 3 and this is the last one to try. I heard of a Clinic in
> another town about 20 miles away and am waiting for the person to get
> back to me with the name of the place. Seems there's a vet there very
> good with cats. I want to make sure I call the right clinic.
I love your signature poem. MLB
Kelly Green
>
> For information on expressing them yourself (not recommended uness a vet
> or groomer teaches you), and if you have the stomach for it, see
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJStqOPCFdA
I got it to download. :-) Great little video. Now I need 3 strong men to
restrain her..... :-D
MLB
>
> <frie...@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message
> news:c8f83b48-1c89-4135...@k23g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Honestly, it sounds like an anal gland problem. And that your vet may
> have missed it, even he did check it.
>
> The first time my cat had an anal gland problem, I smelled that bad
> smell, looked at her but and saw some liquid squirt out. I took her to
> the vet the next day, and the vet expressed her glands and found
> tapeworm segments. The tapeworms were what caused my cat to fuss with
> her glands, thus causing the smell. I got worming medication for every
> cat in the household, and the problem was solved.
>
> She did have one later episode, but that one cleared up on its own.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> My husband and I both have Dr's apts this week ourselves, but I'm going
> to try and get an appt for her with the other Animal Hosp in town. There
> are only 3 and this is the last one to try. I heard of a Clinic in
> another town about 20 miles away and am waiting for the person to get
> back to me with the name of the place. Seems there's a vet there very
> good with cats. I want to make sure I call the right clinic.
I've been wondering if a sponge could have been left in her vagina when
she had her spay. It has happened to people. Purrs being sent that she
can be relieved of the bad odor. MLB
Kelly Green
> Well, it could be something she is eating......either she is allergic to
> it, or she just doesn't process it properly.......In either case, you
> might try to find out what it is by selectively controlling her diet.
She's now on mainly canned and raw foods. I took her off dry kibble. She
smelled just as bad on either diet. Whatever is making the odor, it isn't
bothering her at all. She's got a great appetite and bounces off the walls
and ceiling with the other kitty. The odor has been on and off since we got
her. Since getting her on a more natural diet her stools are now firm and
shaped instead of more like cow plops as when she was on dry only.
cybercat
"MLB" <mlbr...@nonesuch.com> wrote
> I've been wondering if a sponge could have been left in her vagina when
> she had her spay. It has happened to people. Purrs being sent that she
> can be relieved of the bad odor.
They spay cats through an incision in the abdomen.
Allan Smith
There is one other possibility, an allergy to gluten. I have one that has
the problem. If she is fed anything with wheat in it - run for the exits. I
use canned food, but am very careful to avoid corn, wheat, barley, and rye
in her foods. Rice is ok, as it contains no gluten. Oats don't seem to
bother her.
In humans, the autoimmune form is called Celiac Sprue, and info is here.
https://health.google.com/health/ref/Celiac+disease+-+sprue
Wild cats do get a tiny bit of grains. It's in the stomachs of their prey.
But I never saw a cat stalk, kill, and eat an ear of corn.
Allan
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MLB
> Kelly,
>
> There is one other possibility, an allergy to gluten. I have one that has
> the problem. If she is fed anything with wheat in it - run for the exits. I
> use canned food, but am very careful to avoid corn, wheat, barley, and rye
> in her foods. Rice is ok, as it contains no gluten. Oats don't seem to
> bother her.
>
> In humans, the autoimmune form is called Celiac Sprue, and info is here.
> https://health.google.com/health/ref/Celiac+disease+-+sprue
>
> Wild cats do get a tiny bit of grains. It's in the stomachs of their prey.
>
> But I never saw a cat stalk, kill, and eat an ear of corn.
>
> Allan
>
I wish you could have seen Ginger (a very large orange tabby) attack an
ear of corn. He ate it down the row like people do. Memories: that
was long ago. Best wishes. MLB
MLB
Just a thought I had. MLB
Allan Smith
Was he a diabetic? Most such cats lapse into a coma at the end.
Allan
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Takayuki
>"Allan Smith" <gues...@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
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>> For information on expressing them yourself (not recommended uness a vet
>> or groomer teaches you), and if you have the stomach for it, see
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJStqOPCFdA
>
>I got it to download. :-) Great little video. Now I need 3 strong men to
>restrain her..... :-D
This was a very good video. The juice comes out thicker than I
imagined. Very educational.
It was less enjoyable than it was educational, I must say. Or rather,
maybe I shouldn't have been eating while watching this. Still a
keeper though.
Kelly Green
Her little vulva is dry and has no bad smell, no discharge. The odor is
definitely coming from her anal glands. I've been making note of when it's
the worst. After she has a BM the odor is much much stronger, then fades
after a few hours. I hope this is not normal for her.
Kelly Green
> Kelly,
>
> There is one other possibility, an allergy to gluten. I have one that has
> the problem. If she is fed anything with wheat in it - run for the exits.
> I use canned food, but am very careful to avoid corn, wheat, barley, and
> rye in her foods. Rice is ok, as it contains no gluten. Oats don't seem to
> bother her.
>
> In humans, the autoimmune form is called Celiac Sprue, and info is here.
> https://health.google.com/health/ref/Celiac+disease+-+sprue
>
> Wild cats do get a tiny bit of grains. It's in the stomachs of their prey.
>
> But I never saw a cat stalk, kill, and eat an ear of corn.
>
> Allan
>
I'll go over all the cans again but I'm sure I read them all and only bought
those free of grains. They do contain Guar Gum. It's hard to find canned
food that doesn't have something other than pure meat.
jmc
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Episodic or continuous?
>
> Episodic. The smell comes and goes. There's no odor today at all.
> Also, when she has the awful smell it doesn't get on the furniture or
> bedding. Today she had no smell at all.
>
>> Is she grooming the area unusually or excesively?
>
> Not at all.
>
>> Does she seem distressed in any way?
>
> No. No distress. And this has been happening since we got her in Nov.
> I was hoping the vet could shed some light on it but she was as
> mystified as I am.
>
Hmmm. Are you sure it isn't gas? Have you considered changing her
food? Science Diet makes my cat pong so bad I don't want to be in the
same room with her (had this prob as a kitten, found out the hard way it
didn't go away after 13 years of NOT eating SD). When she was a kitten,
it wasn't obvious that it was gas, since she didn't, um, make noise, and
her silent-and-deadlies I think the smell got tangled in her fur or
something.
jmc
Jofirey
There is always the option of cooking and freezing meals for her, or
even preparing and feeding a raw diet. Not fun I'll admit but
sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to start cooking for my dog. Something
in her food isn't agreeing with her. Either that or the little thief
got into something that has her digestive system out of whack.
Jo
frie...@zoocrewphoto.com
We've has several cats that loved corn. Duffy also loved broccoli.
Maynard loved peas and mushrooms more than tuna and chicken. He also
loved cantaloupe, Lima beans, corn, carrots, snow peas, pasta, blue
cheese dressing, and a bunch more. Kira loved carrots. We gave a
carrot to the dog for a snack, and I found Kira dragging it around and
trying to eat it.
Allan Smith
There are many things a cat will eat as it mimics the humans and dogs around
them. Like children, they 'learn' form thier 'parents'. While vegetables
aren't normally much of a problem, gluten-grains can be another matter
entirely, just as with humans.
Corn is not usually a gluten-problem, but it is one of the highest-glycemic
foods around, quickly spikes the blood glucose, and many believe it can
contribute to diabetes later in a cat's life. I think it best avoided.
Allan
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Christina Websell
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Episodic or continuous?
>
> Episodic. The smell comes and goes. There's no odor today at all. Also,
> when she has the awful smell it doesn't get on the furniture or bedding.
> Today she had no smell at all.
>
>>Is she grooming the area unusually or excesively?
>
> Not at all.
>
>> Does she seem distressed in any way?
>
> No. No distress. And this has been happening since we got her in Nov. I
> was hoping the vet could shed some light on it but she was as mystified as
> I am.
There is obviously some infection going on and you need to tell this vet to
find it.
No healthy cat has a bad smell (except for those tomcat boys we cannot
catch, which is a different smell entirely..)
My cat Boyfriend has no smell except if I bury my nose in his fur and then
he smells like a new carpet. Fresh and clean.
Tweed
Kelly Green
> MLB,
>
> There are many things a cat will eat as it mimics the humans and dogs
> around them. Like children, they 'learn' form thier 'parents'. While
> vegetables aren't normally much of a problem, gluten-grains can be another
> matter entirely, just as with humans.
>
> Corn is not usually a gluten-problem, but it is one of the
> highest-glycemic foods around, quickly spikes the blood glucose, and many
> believe it can contribute to diabetes later in a cat's life. I think it
> best avoided.
>
Us humans are also eating way too many foods that spike our blood glucose.
Look at the rate of obesity and diabetes in the US population. Our pets are
following in our footsteps. :(
Kelly Green
"Jofirey" <jof...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kelly Green" <fake...@fake.net> wrote in message
> news:4b429416$0$2430$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com...
>> bought those free of grains. They do contain Guar Gum. It's hard to find
>> canned food that doesn't have something other than pure meat.
>
> There is always the option of cooking and freezing meals for her, or even
> preparing and feeding a raw diet. Not fun I'll admit but sometimes you
> gotta do what you gotta do.
It's difficult to balance their diet at home. It's akin to trying to come up
with something like an entire bird or mouse would contain. They do get quite
a bit of raw meat but will eat almost no raw bone. They chew the meat off it
and leave it. I just received the bone meal I ordered and a fresh bag of
"Missing Link." Since I started the raw meat the smaller younger cat went
into a growth spurt that is amazing!
>
> I'm afraid I'm going to have to start cooking for my dog. Something in
> her food isn't agreeing with her. Either that or the little thief got
> into something that has her digestive system out of whack.
You can try different brands of dog foods. Some used to give my dogs bad
gas. Others gave them loose BMs.
>
> Jo
Kelly Green
"jmc" <NOnewsgr...@NOjodiBODY.HOMEus> wrote in message
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> Suddenly, without warning, Kelly Green exclaimed (1/3/2010 4:04 AM):
>> was hoping the vet could shed some light on it but she was as mystified
>> as I am.
>>
>
> Hmmm. Are you sure it isn't gas? Have you considered changing her food?
OK..update. Since I posted about this odor it has been getting fainter each
day. She does sometimes have gas but it's a different smell and only lasts
seconds. Perhaps all the raw meat is helping. I don't know. Today she
hardly smelled at all. The smell was always strongest and most disgusting
after a BM.
Science Diet makes my cat pong so bad I don't want to be in the
> same room with her (had this prob as a kitten, found out the hard way it
> didn't go away after 13 years of NOT eating SD). When she was a kitten,
> it wasn't obvious that it was gas, since she didn't, um, make noise, and
> her silent-and-deadlies I think the smell got tangled in her fur or
> something.
LOL!!!! I know exactly what you mean about those Silent-But-Deadly
pootings. :-D
>
> jmc
Kelly Green
"Christina Websell" <ti...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> There is obviously some infection going on and you need to tell this vet
> to find it.
> No healthy cat has a bad smell (except for those tomcat boys we cannot
> catch, which is a different smell entirely..)
> My cat Boyfriend has no smell except if I bury my nose in his fur and then
> he smells like a new carpet. Fresh and clean.
>
> Tweed
The problem seems to be resolving itself. Since I posted about it, it's
been fading away.
Kelly Green
> MLB,
>
> There are many things a cat will eat as it mimics the humans and dogs
> around them. Like children, they 'learn' form thier 'parents'. While
> vegetables aren't normally much of a problem, gluten-grains can be another
> matter entirely, just as with humans.
>
> Corn is not usually a gluten-problem, but it is one of the
> highest-glycemic foods around, quickly spikes the blood glucose, and many
> believe it can contribute to diabetes later in a cat's life. I think it
> best avoided.
>
Us humans are also eating way too many foods that spike our blood glucose.
Look at the rate of obesity and diabetes in the US population. Our pets are
following in our footsteps. :(
Jofirey
She is usually fine as long as she gets mostly Nutro and mostly lamb
and rice. But she isn't particular about what she steals and eats.
For the most parts her upsets coincide with times there are a lot of
people in the house that aren't as careful as they could be about
what and how much they give her or where on the counter they leave
food.
She loves bread and butter. Not by the bit, but by the loaf and by
the stick when she gets a shot at stealing it.
Jo
Bill Graham
>
> "Allan Smith" <gues...@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
> news:8_CdnR89__MN7dnW...@giganews.com...
>> MLB,
>>
>> There are many things a cat will eat as it mimics the humans and dogs
>> around them. Like children, they 'learn' form thier 'parents'. While
>> vegetables aren't normally much of a problem, gluten-grains can be
>> another
>> matter entirely, just as with humans.
>>
>> Corn is not usually a gluten-problem, but it is one of the
>> highest-glycemic foods around, quickly spikes the blood glucose, and many
>> believe it can contribute to diabetes later in a cat's life. I think it
>> best avoided.
>>
>
> Us humans are also eating way too many foods that spike our blood glucose.
> Look at the rate of obesity and diabetes in the US population. Our pets
> are
> following in our footsteps. :(
Although I frequently try, I cannot get my cats to eat anything that is not
meat.Sometimes Meggie will nibble at a piece of cake or doughnut, but she
seldom eats more that a fraction of an ounce of it, and the rest of them
won't even do that......They are hopelessly hooked on meat.
Allan Smith
Since cats are true carnivores, not omnivores like humans and dogs, it isn't
surprising they prefer meat. As for cake, cats cannot taste sweet, so you
might as well try to get them to eat bread. They might have a slight
preference for some cakes over bread, but it is likely due to a higher
butter content, not sugar.
Quite simply, if an animal's ancestral diet does not include fruits, there
is no need for it to difeferentiate sweet, sour, and bitter. You can test
this by offering your cat a half-teaspoon of vinegar-containing liquid,
shuch as the juice from bottled olives or dill pickles, Most will drink it
for the acetate, not even tasting the sourness. Some will drink straight
vinegar.
In the wild, cats doen't eat grains, except those in the stomach of their
prey. Their metabolic process is finely tuned to a diet of small animals and
insects, i.e., high protein, some fats, but very low carbohydrates.
Commercial cat foods often use grains as a 'filler' to increse volume and
reduce production cost. Normally rather harmless in small quantities, too
much can lead to obesity, particularly in spayed females, and to changes in
urine chemistry and crystals, a particular probelm for neutered males.
And, like one of mine, gluten-containing grains can create serious problems
with Celiac Sprue.
Allan
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Bill Graham
> Bill,
>
> Since cats are true carnivores, not omnivores like humans and dogs, it
> isn't surprising they prefer meat. As for cake, cats cannot taste sweet,
> so you might as well try to get them to eat bread. They might have a
> slight preference for some cakes over bread, but it is likely due to a
> higher butter content, not sugar.
>
> Quite simply, if an animal's ancestral diet does not include fruits, there
> is no need for it to difeferentiate sweet, sour, and bitter. You can test
> this by offering your cat a half-teaspoon of vinegar-containing liquid,
> shuch as the juice from bottled olives or dill pickles, Most will drink it
> for the acetate, not even tasting the sourness. Some will drink straight
> vinegar.
>
> In the wild, cats doen't eat grains, except those in the stomach of their
> prey. Their metabolic process is finely tuned to a diet of small animals
> and insects, i.e., high protein, some fats, but very low carbohydrates.
> Commercial cat foods often use grains as a 'filler' to increse volume and
> reduce production cost. Normally rather harmless in small quantities, too
> much can lead to obesity, particularly in spayed females, and to changes
> in urine chemistry and crystals, a particular probelm for neutered males.
>
> And, like one of mine, gluten-containing grains can create serious
> problems with Celiac Sprue.
>
> Allan
Yes, they seem to like butter, and our vet says small amounts of it are good
for them because it helps prevent them from accumulating hair balls. She
does like to lick the butter cream frosting on cakes and doughnuts too. I
had one years ago who would eat canned fish that was packed in hot
sauce......I liked it, and whenever I ate it, she would hop up on the table
and ask for some......The hot sauce didn't seem to bother her at all, so I
don't think she could taste it Since hot peppers are not on a carnivore's
regular diet, I can understand why they may not be able to taste them.
Allan Smith
>Since hot peppers are not on a carnivore's regular diet, I can understand
>why they may not be able to taste them.
Yep, I was quite surprised to find out long ago that one of mine liked
pickled jalapenos that were so hot I couldn't eat them. She was after the
vinegar, and the jalapeno heat wasn't going to get in her way. But even when
given a choice between green olives and jalapenos, she preferred the
jalapenos. Unless you pulled the pimento out of the olive. She'd go for the
pimento before the jalapenos.
Oh well, she _was_ after all, a cat.
"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and
get used to the idea."
- Robert Heinlein
Allan
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Lesley
. I
> had one years ago who would eat canned fish that was packed in hot
> sauce......I liked it, and whenever I ate it, she would hop up on the table
> and ask for some......The hot sauce didn't seem to bother her at all,
Fugazi (RB) liked lamb doner kebabs with chilli sauce- the hotter the
better but she only liked the chilli sauce- she;d lick the meat clean
and leave it.
Dave was once eating a sheek kebab from our local takeaway- these
things are very hot- about the limit of his tolerance and miles above
mine- he put his plate down for a second and Sarrasine who usually
never shows much interest in Hoomin food suddenly snatched the last
bit off the plate and ran off with it. We expected at very least a
lot of feline cursing and a bolt to the water dish but she sat there
chewing on it and afterwards did the whole lip licking and washing
routine that she does whenever she has something nice to eat
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
cybercat
"Lesley" <madiga...@googlemail.com> wrote
>- he put his plate down for a second and Sarrasine who usually
>never shows much interest in Hoomin food suddenly snatched the last
This is funny. :)
Lesley
>
> This is funny. :)
She seemed very proud of getting it, Behold the mighty huntress with
her captured prey!
tanadashoes
And I thought Guido, the brave olive hunter, was funny.
Pam S. laughing
The Nice Mean Man
> We've noticed one of our cats, about 10 months old and spayed, has a nasty
> cheesy odor coming from her anal area. She's shorthair and there are no
> feces sticking to her anal area. None on her feet. The vet found nothing
> amiss "back there" but the smell persists. No one wants her in their lap or
> will pick her up because of this sour smell. The strange odor reminds people
> of mega-strong Parmesan cheese. Any ideas where this awful smell is coming
> from and what's causing it?
> --
>
> "They can not ask for kindness, or for mercy plead.
> Yet cruel is our blindness, which does not see their need.
> World-over, town or city, God trusts us with this task;
> To give our love and pity to those who can not ask."
> -- Unknown --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
She's probably got a Goddamned yeast infection. Or worse yet, a
uterine infection. My ex-wife's poodle, loyal companion for many
years, died from that because no one was around to take care of such
things. Like me.
Anyway, you should get him checked out real soon. Just my opinion, you
know. But since I'm not a doctor, it's all that I have. Take it or
leave it, it's up to you. Couldn’t care less either way. Just trying
to be cordial.
The Nice Mean Man
Kelly Green
>
> "Kelly Green" <fake...@fake.net> wrote in message
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>> glucose.
>> Look at the rate of obesity and diabetes in the US population. Our pets
>> are
>> following in our footsteps. :(
>
>
> Although I frequently try, I cannot get my cats to eat anything that is
> not meat.Sometimes Meggie will nibble at a piece of cake or doughnut, but
> she seldom eats more that a fraction of an ounce of it, and the rest of
> them won't even do that......They are hopelessly hooked on meat.
One of mine, adopted at around 9 months of age, was addicted to dry kibble.
Any kibble with canned food on it was ignored. It took over a month to
switch her to canned and raw. I still add a small amount of Wellness or
SolidGold but it's not really needed. When it's gone I'm not replacing it.
The younger one, barely 6 weeks old when we adopted them (together) ate
anything we put in her food bowl. :-) The older one would look at the
little one happily munching away on a raw chicken liver, some canned food, a
Wellness kibble or two, maybe a slice of raw beef..... and one day as we
watched her watch the baby, she reached over and started to nibble on the
baby's food. A BREAKTHROUGH!!! :-))) Since then she's enjoyed her meals of
ever increasing canned and raw meat over Wellness or SolidGold. She's no
longer addicted to dry Purina.
Kelly Green
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She's probably got a Goddamned yeast infection. Or worse yet, a
uterine infection.
~~~~~~~~~~~
She's was spayed weeks ago - no uterus. There is no vaginal infection and
her anal glands are normal. Today she has no smell at all. Go figure.
She will be seeing a NEW vet next month when she gets her booster. I'm
going to ask the vet there to check and empty her anal glands. The other
vet may have missed something.
--
"No other disease or condition of companion animals
takes as many lives as euthanasia. In fact, no other
disease comes close."
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Bill Graham
I think it is very difficult to break the habits that a cat learns when it
is a kitten. It is programmed by millions of years of evolution to do what
it's mother teaches it for the rest of it's life. Our feral cat avoided us
for years. It would eat our food, sleep inside our house even, but let us
touch it? - No way!! Even to this day, it stiffens up when we pick it up,
and it routinely sleeps on our chest all night.
Kelly Green
>> watched her watch the baby, she reached over and started to nibble on the
>> baby's food. A BREAKTHROUGH!!! :-))) Since then she's enjoyed her meals
>> of ever increasing canned and raw meat over Wellness or SolidGold. She's
>> no longer addicted to dry Purina.
>>
>
> I think it is very difficult to break the habits that a cat learns when it
> is a kitten. It is programmed by millions of years of evolution to do what
> it's mother teaches it for the rest of it's life. Our feral cat avoided us
> for years. It would eat our food, sleep inside our house even, but let us
> touch it? - No way!! Even to this day, it stiffens up when we pick it up,
> and it routinely sleeps on our chest all night.
This is so very true. I got these girls young enough to make the change
without too much hassle to us both. The older one didn't seem to know what
wet food was. Unfortunately she loves milk but gets the gassy-runs from it
(lactose intolerance) so I give her cottage cheese a few times a week.
Another treat they both go crazy for is canned mackerel and sardines. I
read cats evolved in desert areas yet every cat I had since childhood loved
fish and fishy canned foods. There was no fishing in the desert.
Do you remember "Puss In Boots" fishy cat food? You could see the tiny fish
bones in it. That was the brand my mother bought for the cats when I was a
kid in the 1950s. She also gave them condensed milk.
Bill Graham
Only my two males like milk. The feral one, (who probably learned to eat it
from garbage) and B-K, who learned to drink it in the Burger King parking
lot. B-K, would drink a glass of milk when I got him home, by sticking his
paw down in the glass, and then licking the milk from it after he took it
back out......Most cats will just knock over the glass and lap up what they
can before it all soaks into the ground. B-K can drink a whole glass of milk
without wasting a drop! I haven't tried giving them evaporated milk.....They
might like that. I suspect that's what you meant by "condensed" milk.
Condensed milk has way too much sugar in it for any of my cats.
Kelly Green
>> fish bones in it. That was the brand my mother bought for the cats when I
>> was a kid in the 1950s. She also gave them condensed milk.
>
> Only my two males like milk. The feral one, (who probably learned to eat
> it from garbage) and B-K, who learned to drink it in the Burger King
> parking lot. B-K, would drink a glass of milk when I got him home, by
> sticking his paw down in the glass, and then licking the milk from it
> after he took it back out......Most cats will just knock over the glass
> and lap up what they can before it all soaks into the ground. B-K can
> drink a whole glass of milk without wasting a drop! I haven't tried giving
> them evaporated milk.....They might like that. I suspect that's what you
> meant by "condensed" milk. Condensed milk has way too much sugar in it for
> any of my cats.
You may be right. My mother called it "condensed." It came in a can. It may
have been evaporated. It was off white and thick. As long as my girls are
happy with the fat-free cottage cheese, I wont bother with evaporated or
condensed milk. :-)