NEED HELP Shipping birds
MAbans
Blackheaded Caique
2 Yellow Naped Amazons
1 Congo African Grey
I live in New Jersey, and I plan to California on December 10th. Now
what do I in order to have themmsent to california. I know I should
talk to my airline, but I'm most likely ordering the tickets through
hotwire, or a service like that. So I'm not entirely sure if there are
restrictions on animal shipping. Are there services out there where
they actually do shipping. Not setting it up, like some services, I'm
talking about an actual shipping company. Like a UPS for for animals
or something. Any help would be amazingly helpful.
Marco
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to email reply, my isp is not birdpoop, it's ameritech.net
"Once I wept for I had no shoes. Then I met a man with no
feet, so I took his
shoes. I mean, it wasn't as if he was going to need them.
Vox
> "MAbans" <MAb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:ce9035a.02112...@posting.google.com...
> | OK here is my list
> |
> | Blackheaded Caique
> | 2 Yellow Naped Amazons
> | 1 Congo African Grey
> |
> | I live in New Jersey, and I plan to California on December
> 10th. Now
> | what do I in order to have themmsent to california. I know
> I should
> | talk to my airline, but I'm most likely ordering the
> tickets through
> | hotwire, or a service like that. So I'm not entirely sure
> if there are
> | restrictions on animal shipping. Are there services out
> there where
> | they actually do shipping. Not setting it up, like some
> services, I'm
> | talking about an actual shipping company. Like a UPS for
> for animals
> | or something. Any help would be amazingly helpful
Hell, I would think twice before taking birds to California at
present. You might end up having them all "depopulated"
as a result of the END outbreak there. There are also
restrictions on the movement of birds in or out of Ca. in
effect. I would suggest you check on those before you
make any long term plans.
--
Vox. C.P.S. (Certified Poop-scraper.)
MAbans
there to sending the birds out there? Also my oringinally question
wasn't answered, how can I have birds shipped out to California? What
services are there available out there? Any help would be great.
Vox
Visit this website, it will tell you all about the outbreak
of Newcastle disease in California at present and the
restrictions on the movement of bird species to and from Ca.
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/ah/Newcastle_info.htm
--
Vox. C.P.S. (Certified Poop-scraper.)
***********
"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off."
******************************
Jennifer Mullen
>
> On 29-Nov-2002, MAb...@mindspring.com (MAbans) wrote:
>
>> Waht do you mean "depopulated"? Like Killed?!?!? What alternatives
>> are there to sending the birds out there? Also my oringinally
>> question wasn't answered, how can I have birds shipped out to
>> California? What services are there available out there? Any help
>> would be great.
>
>
> Visit this website, it will tell you all about the outbreak
> of Newcastle disease in California at present and the
> restrictions on the movement of bird species to and from Ca.
> http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/ah/Newcastle_info.htm
This website makes it very clear that only POULTRY is being quarantined.
In fact, document "END Reg quarantine Q & A.pdf" makes it very clear
that psittacines are not under quarantine. The document does note,
however, that "to prevent spreading infection, it is strongly
recommended that no birds of any species be moved into, within, or out
of the quarantine area" and provides a number for assistance. I believe
only Los Angeles in under quarantine.
Newcastle may spread to the psittacine population, but the risk is
probably much less than with poultry. The following USDA Web page
provides helpful information on Newcastle:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/pubs/fsend.html
-J.
Vox
On 30-Nov-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> This website makes it very clear that only POULTRY is being quarantined.
> In fact, document "END Reg quarantine Q & A.pdf" makes it very clear
> that psittacines are not under quarantine. The document does note,
> however, that "to prevent spreading infection, it is strongly
> recommended that no birds of any species be moved into, within, or out
> of the quarantine area" and provides a number for assistance. I believe
> only Los Angeles in under quarantine.
>
> Newcastle may spread to the psittacine population, but the risk is
> probably much less than with poultry. The following USDA Web page
> provides helpful information on Newcastle:
>
> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/oa/pubs/fsend.html
Psittacine species have already been euthanased during the current outbreak.
All bird species are succeptible and all it takes to spread the outbreak is
a few more
wiseguys like yourself to carry on saying it is "only poultry". parrots
don't count.
Feel free to do as you like, I don't live in America so it won't be my birds
which will
be affected.
Jennifer Mullen
> Psittacine species have already been euthanased during the current
> outbreak.
The California Animal Health and Food Safety services Web site says
nothibg about psittacine euthanasia. Would you mind posting the Web
site, newspaper article, or other media from which you got this
information? I did a quick Google search and was unable to find anything
on pet parrots being euthanized.
Parrots have been euthanized in Newcastle outbreaks in the past; perhaps
some old information is being passed around as current?
> All bird species are succeptible and all it takes to spread
> the outbreak is a few more wiseguys like yourself to carry on saying
> it is "only poultry".
I suggest that you go back and read my post again.
I did indeed state that the quarantine is limited to poultry: this is
clearly stated in the documents provided by the California Animal Health
and Food Safety services Web site, which you yourself gave as a
reference in the post to which I responded.
Furthermore, I also noted that the release suggested that pet bird
owners follow the same quarantine procedures as poultry owners.
I am aware that psittacines can be infected, and in fact stated so in my
post. I also stated that it was *less likely* for psittacines to be
infected.
> parrots don't count. Feel free to do as you
> like, I don't live in America so it won't be my birds which will be
> affected.
Thanks for clearing that up.
-J.
Vox
On 30-Nov-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> This website makes it very clear that only POULTRY is being quarantined.
> In fact, document "END Reg quarantine Q & A.pdf" makes it very clear
> that psittacines are not under quarantine.
Try reading this happy tale:
From todays Riverside Press-Enterprise Reader'l Open Forum:
'KILLING ALL BIRDS"
"I am the owner of the geese in the pictures (Local section
Press-Enterprise Nov. 20). I was given no choice. The murderers
admitted my birds were fat and healthy, but some godlike person had
decided to kill all birds.
What was very interesting, the paperwork I had to sign said
parakeets and parrots were not being killed. The man who came to my
house said, "my hardest job is going into peoples' homes and killing
their pet birds". I showed him the paper he had given me and he said
"Doesn't matter, my boss wants them all killed". So speaks our new
god of AG.
I guess it doesn't matter, I'm just an old man, 64 and fighting
cancer, who used to spend time with my birds because it made me
forget my problems.
Got to remember the egg ranches that aren't around here are more
important!"
Signed Michael F. Cowan, Mira Loma, CA
--
Satisfied?
Vox
On 30-Nov-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> This website makes it very clear that only POULTRY is being quarantined.
> In fact, document "END Reg quarantine Q & A.pdf" makes it very clear
> that psittacines are not under quarantine.
Read the article below, you will see that PARROTS are mentioned
specifically. The source of the outbreak was first attributed to
the illegal importation of game cocks but now the B.S. story about smuggled
Amazons has raised it's head again. Why? To justify
the state authority "depopulating" pet and breeder parrot flocks as well as
poultry , pigeons and rattites.
Anyone wanting to voluntarily take their birds into this state, for whatever
reason, needs their head read IMHO.
If the article still does not convince you, I can refer you to a photo of a
stack of about 50 parrot nest boxes being 'sanitised' after
the former tenants had been "depopulated"
http://www.cocka2.com/newcastle/media/latimes.htm
By Matthew Chin, Inland Valley Voice
The reappearance of a deadly avian disease that devastated California's
poultry industry in the early 1970s has area egg ranchers concerned about
the safety of their flocks.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture has quarantined 63 places in Southern
California so far this month, including locations in Corona and Norco, where
exotic Newcastle virus has been found in backyard flocks, said USDA
spokesman Larry Hawkins. More than 6,500 birds have been destroyed so far.
It affects all birds and the mortality rate for most exposed birds is about
90%, Hawkins said. The disease is not harmful to humans, even if infected
eggs or poultry are consumed, he said.
So far, there are no reports of the disease in any commercial poultry flocks
in the state, he said.
Cases of the virus have been reported in Los Angeles and Riverside counties
among backyard poultry, parrots, peacocks and other birds. Inspections are
being conducted in San Bernardino County as well, but so far no cases have
been found there, Hawkins said.
A statewide outbreak from 1971 to 1973 cost $56 million to eradicate
Toucanldy
>From: Jennifer Mullen red...@mac.com
>In <3de85764$0$2...@hades.is.co.za> Vox wrote:
>
>> Psittacine species have already been euthanased during the current
>> outbreak.
>
>The California Animal Health and Food Safety services Web site says
>nothibg about psittacine euthanasia. Would you mind posting the Web
>site, newspaper article, or other media from which you got this
>information? I did a quick Google search and was unable to find anything
>on pet parrots being euthanized.
AFA Response to the END Outbreak in Southern California:
A Message from the President 26 October 2002
<part of long message snipped>
Our first goal, of course, is to protect the rights of aviculturists as well as
inform aviculturists on what is going on. The second goal is to serve as an
information conduit for the END Task Force. They have a tough and demanding job
to do. While they also have the responsibility to keep the public informed and
are doing so, they are being overwhelmed with telephone and other inquiries.
While our purpose is not to prevent anyone from making direct inquiries to the
Task Force, we hope to be able to reduce their workload in this regard by
serving as a focal point for information. If you wish to obtain direct
information, please visit the following website:
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/ahfss/ah/Newcastle_info.htm
These are the facts that we have been able to confirm as of today (November 26)
regarding the current END outbreak:
a.. Exotic Newcastle Disease (END) was first confirmed in Southern California
on 1 October 2002. The last discovered positive case as of 25 November 2002 was
25 November 2002 (Dr. David Kerr, CDFA). As of this same date, USDA officials
advised that the disease appears mainly restricted to "backyard poultry" and no
commercial poultry operations have been involved. However, at least one
facility with multiple positive tests also housed finches, cockatiels, and
lovebirds. These birds were euthanized but constituted a low proportion of the
total collection at that site.
b.. The affected areas in southern California include Los Angeles and parts
of Riverside, and San Bernardino Counties. The California State Veterinarian
placed the area affected under quarantine on 13 November 2002. Effective 21
November 2002, the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) imposed a
federal quarantine that states: "The regulations restrict the interstate
movement of birds, poultry, products, and materials that could spread END from
quarantined areas." The avian species affected by the quarantine include
chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, grouse, partridges, pheasants, quails, guinea
fowl (peacocks), doves, pigeons, swans, ratites, and ratite eggs.
c.. As of Monday 25 November 2002, approximately 19,600 birds from 202
premises had been "depopulated" (euthanized). These figures are preliminary,
pending formal validation. Flocks found on an additional 35 premises are
scheduled for depopulation. Some 1,157 premises are under quarantine.
Depopulation has not or will not occur without either 1) testing or 2) good
cause; e.g., direct contact and/or interaction with affected flocks (personal
communication with Dr. Annette Whiteford, END Task Force Commander, 22 November
2002). Decisions to destroy infected and exposed birds are always made by a
veterinarian.
d.. State and federal animal health officials are continuing to conduct
door-to-door surveys within the affected regions to identify the presence of
poultry (as defined above) and other birds, and are following-up on all
epidemiological associations. As a precautionary measure, the CDFA has closed
all poultry exhibits and fairs and expositions within the regional quarantine
area unless operating under a specific compliance agreement.
e.. An official USDA Press Release dated 22 November 2002 states that the END
outbreak has been contained within the region described above and is still
considered to represent a single outbreak cluster within a 30-mile radius in
Los Angeles county including bordering areas in Riverside and San Bernardino
Counties. Data from door-to-door surveys and interviews has established that
there have been no direct transmissions of END to other states within the
United States resulting from this END event, nor has there been any exposure to
other backyard poultry in other states.
Folks, as many of you know this is very serious business. "Depopulation" is a
horrible and unavoidable consequence of exposure to this disease. Dr. Whiteford
and others on her Task Force have convinced me that they are not taking
euthanasia or depopulation lightly and that they truly understand how
overwhelming it is to loose a beloved bird.
I have been assured that there is no policy for destroying birds within a fixed
area. Rather, premises within a fixed area around a positive location are put
under quarantine to immediately stop movement of birds and equipment. Birds
within this area are located, assessed, and a case-by-case determination is
made as to the appropriate action (testing, depopulation, etc.). Again,
decisions to destroy infected and exposed birds are always made by a
veterinarian. Their goal has been to act quickly to contain this disease before
it affects more bird owners and endangers the poultry industry.
Now what can we, as responsible bird owners do to make sure that this disease
is contained and is not transmitted to other areas and collections? Certainly
the first step is to rigorously follow the USDA and END Task Force
Recommendations. We all have to be aware of the terrible risk that we face if
this disease spreads to the general avicultural population. We could see the
destruction of valuable collections and cherished pets.
It is my belief that as responsible aviculturists, we need to take all
precautions possible to avoid exposure and transmission to safeguard our
collections, pets and industry. If you live in or near the affected region, be
advised that according to the END Task Force officials: "The most dangerous
places where you might come in contact with the END virus are swap meets, bird
marts, and shows. Every person must decide what they are willing to risk. If
you have birds that you don't want to lose, it is a good time to avoid these
bird events until this is under control".
In conclusion, I wanted to let you know that AFA is taking this situation
extremely seriously and that we will strive to provide you with the most
updated information possible. I have attached a number of web site links below.
In addition to the above steps, I will continue to maintain contact with Dr.
Annette Whiteford, DVM, CDFA Veterinarian, Incidence Commander, END Task Force.
Sincerely
AMERICAN FEDERATION OF AVICULTURE, INC.Ž
Benny J. Gallaway, Ph.D.
President
IMPORTANT WEB LINKS ON EXOTIC NEWCASTLE DISEASE
(Note: You will need Adobe Acrobat reader to open these files and it can
obtained at Acrobat Reader Download)
Newcastle Disease Information; State of California Department of Food and
Agriculture
Newcastle Disease Update 11/25/2002
Notice of Regional Quarantine Affecting Bird Owners: Effective November 13,
2002:
Regional Quarantine Map: Effective November 13, 2002:
Press Release: Exotic Newcastle Diasease Detected 10/03/02
Fact Sheet: Exotic Newcastle Disease: Information for Bird Owners
Exotic Newcastle Disease: Gray Book
Fact Sheet: Exotic Newcastle Disease in caged (Exotic) Birds, Information for
Bird Owners, November 2002
Fact Sheet: Questions and Answers on Regional Bird Quarantine - Exotic
Newcastle Disease - Information for Bird Owners - November 13, 2002:
Recommended Action for managers of Bird Events Held Outside the Exotic
Newcastle Disease Quarantined Area:
Regards
Vox
On 30-Nov-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> The California Animal Health and Food Safety services Web site says
> nothibg about psittacine euthanasia. Would you mind posting the Web
> site, newspaper article, or other media from which you got this
> information? I did a quick Google search and was unable to find anything
> on pet parrots being euthanized.
However, at least one facility with multiple positive tests also housed
> finches, cockatiels, and lovebirds. These birds were euthanized but
> constituted a low proportion of the total collection at that site.
> Source:
> "AFA Response to the END Outbreak in Southern California:
> A Message from the President 26 October 2002"
--
Vox
> > parrots don't count. Feel free to do as you
> > like, I don't live in America so it won't be my birds which will be
> > affected.
On 30-Nov-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> Thanks for clearing that up.
No need to apologise, I would also feel embarassed if someone living
halfway round the globe knew more about what was going on in my
own country than what I did and I had spent as much time and effort
as you have, in a vain attempt to disprove it. Only to be brought up short
and made to appear a complete ass each time I attempted to extricate
my foot from my mouth.
Perhaps next time you will not be so quick in jumping in at the deep end
and do a little more exhaustive research before attempting to show all the
other list members just how smart you are.
Joanne
> On 30-Nov-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> This website makes it very clear that only POULTRY is being
>> quarantined. In fact, document "END Reg quarantine Q & A.pdf" makes
>> it very clear that psittacines are not under quarantine.
>
>
> Try reading this happy tale:
> From todays Riverside Press-Enterprise Reader'l Open Forum:
>
> 'KILLING ALL BIRDS"
>
> "I am the owner of the geese in the pictures (Local section
> Press-Enterprise Nov. 20). I was given no choice. The
> murderers admitted my birds were fat and healthy, but some
> godlike person had decided to kill all birds.
> What was very interesting, the paperwork I had to sign said
> parakeets and parrots were not being killed. The man who came
> to my house said, "my hardest job is going into peoples' homes
> and killing their pet birds". I showed him the paper he had
> given me and he said "Doesn't matter, my boss wants them all
> killed". So speaks our new god of AG.
> I guess it doesn't matter, I'm just an old man, 64 and
> fighting cancer, who used to spend time with my birds because
> it made me forget my problems.
> Got to remember the egg ranches that aren't around here are
> more important!"
> Signed Michael F. Cowan, Mira Loma, CA
Isn't there a Constitutional right to prevent anyone without court order
from entering one's home? I don't know how I would handle someone
attempting to kill any of my animals, but I'm sure I'd scare the hell out of
them before they got close. I wouldn't take a life but I would definitely
cause unforgettable injury as a last resort.
It would seem that one could tie the event up in court for a long time
before actually having to surrender a pet.
Sincerely,
Joanne
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MAbans
they are considered something comsumible by us humans. and the report
clearly stats
Birds under quarentine are:
Chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, grouse, partridges,
pheasants, quail, guinea fowl, peafowl (peacocks),
doves, pigeons, swans, and ratites (emus, ostriches,
rheas, etc.).
This is as of Nov 26 release of the Newcastle Disease, and no where in
there is NO mention of Parrots. While this Disease is clearly
susceptable to the bird species. let's say all my pet birds,
theorically, flew from NJ to San Diego by using their naturally
instincts. They also know the correct route of what to take. Now the
Quarentine areas are , LA, San Baradino, and Riverside areas. If the
birds avoided these areas completely, then the chance of infection to
this disease is NULL. I am considering helping the birds along with
giving them a lift but theorically I could not get into any trouble
because I am moving through an area that is not contaminated, for
starters and #2 I am moving none poultry birds that arfen't considered
illegal to move. I am going to make a few calls tomorrow, to douible
check but I should be ok if I bring them myself Via-Car.
Jennifer Mullen
> No need to apologise, I would also feel embarassed if someone living
> halfway round the globe knew more about what was going on in my
> own country than what I did and I had spent as much time and effort
> as you have, in a vain attempt to disprove it. Only to be brought up
> short and made to appear a complete ass each time I attempted to
> extricate my foot from my mouth. Perhaps next time you will not be so
> quick in jumping in at the deep end and do a little more exhaustive
> research before attempting to show all the other list members just how
> smart you are.
Let's review the facts here:
1. You claim that parrots are being euthanized in California due to the
spread of Newcastle disease, and offer as proof a web site which
explicitly states that parrots are not being quarantined or eliminated.
2. I ask for proof, which is provided.
If anyone is overreacting, it's you. It's okay if you want to feel
superior now, but you're completely blowing this out of proportion.
Besides, the other readers of this newsgroup (it's not a list) are aware
of how much smarter I am than everyone else. Apparently you weren't
around last year when we all compared our IQs and SAT scores, and I came
out completely on top.
-J.
Vox
When you arrive at the Ca. border control and end up with a limp
bundle of feathers, be sure to tell the State employee in
his immaculate white coat, which was only issued to him that
very morning as a uniform for his new job which he took on
to earn some extra drug money for Xmas and who hasn't
forgotten the LA. race riots. Who has never been partial to
Honkeys, whom he has only heard spoken of as in performing
unmentionable acts with their own mothers, that he will have
to rescuscitate or replace your beloved pets because Jennifer
Mullen of rec.pets.birds said the regulations only applied
to poultry and exempted all parrot species. Make a copy of
that URL as well, if you are lucky you might run into an "officer"
who has a palm or laptop with him.
I think you are nuts to take the chance!! (but they are your birds, so do
what you will)
--
Vox. C.P.S. (Certified Poop-scraper.)
Soldier of misfortune.
Bar emptier.
Baby sitter.
Cat silencer.
Rule bender.
Flower arranger.
Girl guide leader.
Converter of virgins.
Destroyer of principles.
Marriage counselor. (wives only)
Kangaroos castrated.
Underwater knife fighter.
Vox
On 3-Dec-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> Besides, the other readers of this newsgroup (it's not a list) are aware
> of how much smarter I am than everyone else. Apparently you weren't
> around last year when we all compared our IQs and SAT scores, and I came
> out completely on top.
You don't do such a bad job at blowing your own trumpet, do you now?
Joanne
Soldier of misfortune.
Bar emptier.
Baby sitter.
Cat silencer.
Rule bender.
Flower arranger.
Girl guide leader.
Converter of virgins.
Destroyer of principles.
Marriage counselor. (wives only)
Kangaroos castrated.
Underwater knife fighter.
You forgot "Sick F***"
--
Jennifer Mullen
>
> On 3-Dec-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Besides, the other readers of this newsgroup (it's not a list) are
>> aware of how much smarter I am than everyone else. Apparently you
>> weren't around last year when we all compared our IQs and SAT scores,
>> and I came out completely on top.
>
>
> You don't do such a bad job at blowing your own trumpet, do you now?
I don't do a bad job at *anything*. But I don't play the trumpet. My
breath would be wasted on such a common instrument.
-J.
Vox
>
>> Signed Michael F. Cowan, Mira Loma, CA
>
>
> And this is the group of USDA guys that are going to be inspecting
> bird farms. It looks like the lowely euthanizer types may or may not
> be following orders....so folks...just as we warned...
>
> I think if I were Mr. Michael, I would be calling the big boys at
> Sacramento and asking some serious questions.
On 30-Nov-2002, "Joanne" <Joa...@jobird.com> wrote:
> Isn't there a Constitutional right to prevent anyone without court order
> from entering one's home? I don't know how I would handle someone
> attempting to kill any of my animals, but I'm sure I'd scare the hell out
> of
> them before they got close. I wouldn't take a life but I would definitely
> cause unforgettable injury as a last resort.
>
> It would seem that one could tie the event up in court for a long time
> before actually having to surrender a pet.
>
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
FW. From another list.
Good idea, but it's somewhat like calling 911 after home invaders have
killed your family: it may help someone else, but it's too late for you and
yours.
Where's the AFA in this? Instead of the AFA blindly accepting the State's
"trust us," how about a "trust, but verify" approach?
END (there are several serotypes of Newcastle's of varying degrees of risk
-- has the State divulged which type is involved in the latest outbreak?) is
a very serious threat, but is it so serious that healthy birds must be
killed on the orders of someone who may have no qualifications whatsoever in
epidemiolgy (for those who haven't been following this, vets are NOT
generally qualified epidemiologists. They aren't experts on diet, either)?
I'm not doubting the sincerity of the state agents for a moment, but "Power
corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" is a truism. There needs to be
an independent review of these decisions to kill birds that are not tested
and exhibit no symptoms of END.
If the AFA fails to act -- news releases that parrot (sorry about that) the
state line don't cut it -- on such a crucial issue why should bird owners
support the organization? Perhaps it's time to support a more activist
organization, one that doesn't rig election results in the back room to
steal the AFA presidency from the person who won the election.
No offense meant to the good people who have contributed much time and
effort to the AFA, but nevertheless, the organization seems to have some
serious, perhaps fatal, problems.
--
Vox
> Vox wrote:Vox. C.P.S. (Certified Poop-scraper.)
> Soldier of misfortune.
> Bar emptier.
> Baby sitter.
> Cat silencer.
> Rule bender.
> Flower arranger.
> Girl guide leader.
> Converter of virgins.
> Destroyer of principles.
> Marriage counselor. (wives only)
> Kangaroos castrated.
> Underwater knife fighter.
>
>
> You forgot "Sick F***"
> --
> Sincerely,
> Joanne
I didn't forget, I simply decided it might be a little extreme for the
majority of subscribers on the list. Someone such as yourself,
so worldly wise and lacking a sense of humour is naturally excluded.
--
Vox. C.P.S. (Certified Poop-scraper.)
Vox
On 3-Dec-2002, Jennifer Mullen <red...@mac.com> wrote:
> Let's review the facts here:
>
> 1. You claim that parrots are being euthanized in California due to the
> spread of Newcastle disease, and offer as proof a web site which
> explicitly states that parrots are not being quarantined or eliminated.
WRONG !, I replied to a request for help, from another party, wanting to
transport his pet birds to southern Ca., drawing his attention to the fact
that there was an outbreak of Newcastle disease in the region. I pointed
out that he would be placing his birds at risk should he move them there.
I furnished a URL which substantiated the fact that the disease had
broken out in the area.
YOU, in your now predictable fashion, chose to interject and offer your
irresponsible opinion that parrots were not affected and that the disease
was a danger only for poultry, not psittacines or other avian species.
Which, although they might be succeptible, were not nearly at as much risk
as poultry, even though their owners visit the same feed stores, are visited
by the same service and postal workers, are in the same wind stream,
have the same flies and rodents on their premises, are visited by the same
wild birds and the virus is not pickey, it will infect anything avian AND
human.
Humans show symptoms resembling conjunctivitis and can also infect their
birds.
I then justifiably pointed out that psittacines WERE succeptible and had in
fact
been euthanized by the authorities.
>
> 2. I ask for proof, which is provided.
Agreed.
>
> If anyone is overreacting, it's you. It's okay if you want to feel
> superior now, but you're completely blowing this out of proportion.
I was correct and justified in pointing out to the poster that taking his
pets to S. Ca. was not advisable at the present time. You on the other
hand were offering counsel which might possibly result in the loss
of his birds at worst, or being prevented from bringing them back after
his visit at best. You now have the effrontery to suggest that I am
"overreacting"???
>
> Besides, the other readers of this newsgroup (it's not a list) are aware
> of how much smarter I am than everyone else. Apparently you weren't
> around last year when we all compared our IQs and SAT scores, and I came
> out completely on top.
Newsgroup? List? Semantics have nothing to do with this discussion.
My meaning was clear.
I am sure there are many on the NEWSGROUP who find your nitpicking
and constant carping as annoying as I do.
You were wrong, notwithstanding your high IQ and SAT scores. All
they have done for you, is to give you an over inflated opinion of yourself
and an intolerable superiority complex. You cannot bring yourself to
accept or admit that you might ever be wrong.
I have no desire nor interest in becoming involved in a protracted verbal
'pissing contest' with you over this issue, so as far as I am concerned
it is over and done with as of now.
Mamabird
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Damn... another body to hide.
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>
> > Besides, the other readers of this newsgroup (it's not a list) are aware
> > of how much smarter I am than everyone else. Apparently you weren't
> > around last year when we all compared our IQs and SAT scores, and I came
> > out completely on top.
>
> You don't do such a bad job at blowing your own trumpet, do you now?
Woooosh! ROTFLMAO!
Jennifer Mullen
> WRONG !, I replied to a request for help, from another party, wanting
> to transport his pet birds to southern Ca., drawing his attention to
> the fact that there was an outbreak of Newcastle disease in the region.
> I pointed out that he would be placing his birds at risk should he
> move them there. I furnished a URL which substantiated the fact that
> the disease had broken out in the area. YOU, in your now predictable
> fashion, chose to interject and offer your irresponsible opinion that
> parrots were not affected and that the disease was a danger only for
> poultry, not psittacines or other avian species.
Wrong. I was talking about the QUARANTINE, which as stated by the CA
Dept of Agriculture, officially does not cover parrots. I was not
talking about susceptibility to END.
> I was correct and justified in pointing out to the poster that taking
> his pets to S. Ca. was not advisable at the present time. You on the
> other hand were offering counsel which might possibly result in the
> loss of his birds at worst, or being prevented from bringing them back
> after his visit at best. You now have the effrontery to suggest that I
> am "overreacting"???
No, you're blowing this little "pissing contest", which exists only in
your mind, completely out of proportion, and repeatedly trying to twist
it into "Jen doesn't care if your pet parrot is killed". So I was wrong
in that parrots were not being seized, although this is contrary to what
the CA Dept. of Agriculture states in its publications. If you're so
concerned, why not put your energy into something useful and contact
them (by email or letter, since you seem to be overseas and a phone call
would be prohibitive in cost) and ask them to correct their information?
I think you're just upset that someone questioned you. Stay around on
the newsgroup long enough, and you'll learn that healthy skepticism is a
good thing.
> I am sure there are many on the NEWSGROUP who find your nitpicking
> and constant carping as annoying as I do.
Probably. That's what killfiles are for. Please, place me into yours
if it upsets you so much to read what I write.
> You were wrong, notwithstanding your high IQ and SAT scores. All
> they have done for you, is to give you an over inflated opinion of
> yourself and an intolerable superiority complex. You cannot bring
> yourself to accept or admit that you might ever be wrong. I have no
> desire nor interest in becoming involved in a protracted verbal
> 'pissing contest' with you over this issue, so as far as I am
> concerned it is over and done with as of now.
That's nice. Be sure to go back in Google and see what my IQ and SAT
scores are, though, and BOW TO MY SUPERIORITY COMPLEX!!!
-J"another minute, another one born...".
kathybird
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> Vox. C.P.S. (Certified Poop-scraper.)
> ***********
> "Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
> bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off."
Then M added:
Damn... another body to hide.
>
I always say:
Friends help you move. Best friends help you move the bodies.
Joanne
> I didn't forget, I simply decided it might be a little extreme for the
> majority of subscribers on the list. Someone such as yourself,
> so worldly wise and lacking a sense of humour is naturally excluded.
You are right. I totally missed the humor. Where was that part?