Beer Drinking Conure?
Gloria Heim
Does anyone here drink beer?
I drink beer.
I like good, dark German beer, nice and warm.
Everytime Ginger (BC Conure) is on my shoulder, she about rips the side
of my face off trying to turn my beer to her!
Don't anyone flame me for giving her an occasional tongue-test on the
bottle rim cause birds get drunk on naturally fermented berries in the
wild!
I don't want to hear anything about this ok? BUT, do your birds like to
drag your entire face to them when you're sipping something?
Curious,
Gloria
Roger Williams
Gloria Heim (gh...@gate.net) wrote:
: Does anyone here drink beer?
I sure do.
:
: I drink beer.
:
Neat!
: I like good, dark German beer, nice and warm.
Yecch! But anyways...
:
: Everytime Ginger (BC Conure) is on my shoulder, she about rips the side
: of my face off trying to turn my beer to her!
:
: Don't anyone flame me for giving her an occasional tongue-test on the
: bottle rim cause birds get drunk on naturally fermented berries in the
: wild!
News to me. What I have been told by my vet is to keep my parrots as
far away from alcohol as possible. It's certainly on a list of forbidden
foods for birds. Not a flame, but an FYI.
:
: I don't want to hear anything about this ok? BUT, do your birds like to
: drag your entire face to them when you're sipping something?
Sometimes...my grey is too rambunctious to sit on my shoulder for
almost any reason, but I have seen my SO's senegal try to bathe in a glass
of whatever she may be holding in her hand at any given moment...and this
from a bird that spends all day splashing in it's water dish!
:
: Curious,
: Gloria
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It is my understanding that the classical Romans
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it is not a healthy thing to do.
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In article <326957...@gate.net>, Gloria Heim <gh...@gate.net> wrote:
[...]
>I don't want to hear anything about this ok?
Then might I ask why you made such a deal about it?
> BUT, do your birds like to
>drag your entire face to them when you're sipping something?
Maya my sun conure will scamper all over trying to get to your lips
and mouth to see what you've got. Pepe just looks at me and purrs,
knowing I'll share with her if its good stuff. Morgan the Eclectus
will bite your cheek or lip and PULL your face around.
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David Poole
On Sat, 19 Oct 1996 18:32 Gloria wrote:
>Does anyone here drink beer?
>I drink beer.
>I like good, dark German beer, nice and warm.
I'm known to be partial to the occasional tipple myself <G> hic%
Oops, pardon me.
>
>Everytime Ginger (BC Conure) is on my shoulder, she about rips the side
>of my face off trying to turn my beer to her!
>Don't anyone flame me for giving her an occasional tongue-test on the
>bottle rim cause birds get drunk on naturally fermented berries in the
>wild!
No flames Gloria, but the alcohol levels in fermented berries is
nowhere near half as high as in even the weakest of light beers and
your on to the hard stuff. <VBG>
Seriously, I have to point out that along with caffeine and chocolate,
alcohol is very, very dangerous causing digestive and circulatory
problems leading to internal hemorrhaging and should be avoided at all
costs.
Coco (CAG) is always tries to drink whatever I'm drinking. I never
give in - if she get's too insistent, she is removed to her cage. I
will not tolerate bad manners in this way. Incidentally after Coco
decided that dinner time was a good moment to crash land on my plate
or paddle in the gravy, she is now not allowed to eat with me. She
gets little offerings which are placed on her play area. This way, I
choose what condiments I add to my food and do not have to watch out
for Coco's little additions to the gravy!
Dave Poole
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SANDTM
>Don't anyone flame me for giving her an occasional tongue-test on the
>bottle rim cause birds get drunk on naturally fermented berries in the
>wild!
>
Do you drink out of the bottle? Maybe birds get drunk on berries in the
wild but I have a good idea that they don't get infections from human
saliva. Point to ponder IF you drink from the bottle.
>I don't want to hear anything about this ok? BUT, do your birds like to
>drag your entire face to them when you're sipping something?
>
>Curious,
>Gloria
>
>
Seriously Gloria, how can you say that you don't want to hear anything
about this when you know that alcohol is not good for birds? As far as
the last part of your question, I can't sit with Rembrandt and sip
anything because that big beak of his pulls it away from me.<G>
Suzanne
Although I am NOT an elderly Ladie ,my friends call me Birdbiddie
Gloria Heim
I imagine my bird's tongue on my beer glass (or bottle) is no more
dangerous than her beak in my mouth (pulling it, stretching it,
whatever).
My bird does not drink beer, she licks the bottle with her tongue. You
did bring up the good point of human germs, which no one else did.
I really should not have started this thread. It really is silly ...
must have had too many of those little beers!
Love,
Gloria
Gloria Heim
It's ok, I don't mind being flamed. I'm USED to it by now ... he he.
BUT I did hear that birds did get "drunk" on berries!!
Oh no everyone, no flamewars on this ok ... just a polite agreement to
disagree?
Love always,
Gloria
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SANDTM
>
>It's ok, I don't mind being flamed. I'm USED to it by now ... he he.
>
>BUT I did hear that birds did get "drunk" on berries!!
>
>Oh no everyone, no flamewars on this ok ... just a polite agreement to
>disagree?
>
>Love always,
>Gloria
>-
FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry Gloria,just HAD to do it. LOL!
SANDTM
>I really should not have started this thread. It really is silly ...
>must have had too many of those little beers!
>
>Love,
>Gloria
>
>
And why not??? Silliness is GOOD!!!! It can calm the ruffled feathers.
As far as how many beers you DID have. Only you know. <BG>
Gloria Heim
SANDTM wrote:
>
> In article <326D08...@gate.net>, Gloria Heim <gh...@gate.net> writes:
>
> >
> >It's ok, I don't mind being flamed. I'm USED to it by now ... he he.
> >
> >BUT I did hear that birds did get "drunk" on berries!!
> >
> >Oh no everyone, no flamewars on this ok ... just a polite agreement to
> >disagree?
> >
> >Love always,
> >Gloria
> >-
>
> FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Sorry Gloria,just HAD to do it. LOL!
>
> Although I am NOT an elderly Ladie ,my friends call me Birdbiddie
I knew I could count you YOU to throw something out there!
Love,
SANDTM
>
>> >
>> >It's ok, I don't mind being flamed. I'm USED to it by now ... he he.
>> >
>> >BUT I did hear that birds did get "drunk" on berries!!
>> >
>> >Oh no everyone, no flamewars on this ok ... just a polite agreement to
>> >disagree?
>> >
>> >Love always,
>> >Gloria
>> >-
>>
>> FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Sorry Gloria,just HAD to do it. LOL!
>>
>> Suzanne
>> Although I am NOT an elderly Ladie ,my friends call me Birdbiddie
>
>
>I knew I could count you YOU to throw something out there!
>
>Love,
>Gloria
I will take that as a compliment,thank you Gloria. :~))))))))))
Andrew Tarjanyi
Now where can I get a beer buying bird? :>
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Elizabeth Shaffer
Gloria Heim <gh...@gate.net> wrote:
>BUT I did hear that birds did get "drunk" on berries!!
My mother used to have an elderberry bush that would always produce
more berries than the birds could eat, so inevitably, some of the
berries would ferment and we'd see an occassional mockingbird
staggering around on the ground. I wonder if they get hangovers. ;)
The only concern I'd have with the beer drinking is that the
fermentation of berries is different than that in beer. Fermentation
of different substances makes for different alcoholic drinks, and I'd
be wary of what beer might have in it that elderberry wine may not. I
don't know if it would be good for little birdy livers; I'll have to
go look up some information on avian livers.
Elizabeth Shaffer
Gloria Heim <gh...@gate.net> wrote:
>My bird does not drink beer, she licks the bottle with her tongue. You
>did bring up the good point of human germs, which no one else did.
Generally nothing that gets us sick will get our birds sick. Viruses
and such are generally rather host specific. The few that do like
both humans and birds are usually transmitted from bird to us, rather
than vise versa, from what I remember. So maybe we shouldn't drink
after our little birds. :) Especially mine, who I've discovered has
a nasty habit of picking at his poop when I'm not watching. :P
CStern
elsh...@popalex1.linknet.net (Elizabeth Shaffer) writes:
<<Generally nothing that gets us sick will get our birds sick. Viruses
and such are generally rather host specific. The few that do like
both humans and birds are usually transmitted from bird to us, rather
than vise versa, from what I remember. >>
Not strictly true, Elizabeth. The bacteria that are pathogenic for birds,
namely, gram-negative bacteria, are normal flora in the human body. The
mouth is in fact chock full of gram negative beasties. In addition, cat
bites and scratches, while annoying to humans, are potentially deadly for
birds, because of the presence of the Pasturella bacteria in cat saliva.
Again, this is not usually pathogenic to humans, but always is to birds.
Chuck Stern <and Spike the 'tiel, Tweety the budgie and Romeo the
Eclectus>
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Robert Wiegand
>>Generally nothing that gets us sick will get our birds sick. Viruses
>>and such are generally rather host specific. The few that do like
>>both humans and birds are usually transmitted from bird to us, rather
>>than vise versa, from what I remember.
>Not strictly true, Elizabeth. The bacteria that are pathogenic for birds,
>namely, gram-negative bacteria, are normal flora in the human body. The
>mouth is in fact chock full of gram negative beasties. In addition, cat
>bites and scratches, while annoying to humans, are potentially deadly for
>birds, because of the presence of the Pasturella bacteria in cat saliva.
>Again, this is not usually pathogenic to humans, but always is to birds.
What Elizabeth said was correct. Viruses are usually species specific.
Bacteria and viruses are quite different things. Bacteria are much
more likely to live off multiple species.
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In article <andreff.846882596@woodcock>, wie...@woodcock.cig.mot.com
(Robert Wiegand) writes:
>
>cst...@aol.com (CStern) writes:
>>elsh...@popalex1.linknet.net (Elizabeth Shaffer) writes:
>
>>>Generally nothing that gets us sick will get our birds sick. Viruses
>>>and such are generally rather host specific. The few that do like
>>>both humans and birds are usually transmitted from bird to us, rather
>>>than vise versa, from what I remember.
>
>>Not strictly true, Elizabeth. The bacteria that are pathogenic for
birds,
>>namely, gram-negative bacteria, are normal flora in the human body. The
>>mouth is in fact chock full of gram negative beasties. In addition, cat
>>bites and scratches, while annoying to humans, are potentially deadly
for
>>birds, because of the presence of the Pasturella bacteria in cat saliva.
>>Again, this is not usually pathogenic to humans, but always is to birds.
>
>What Elizabeth said was correct. Viruses are usually species specific.
>Bacteria and viruses are quite different things. Bacteria are much
>more likely to live off multiple species.
>
>
I have a perfect example that transmission from human to bird is
possible. My Husband was sick several weeks ago,the other night Rembrandt
scared the life out of me by sneezing constantly and discharge came flying
out of his nares, then he was gasping for air.BTW it was after hours and
my vet came right in.Just a plug for the good vet post. <BG> All day he
seemed fine. I took him to the vet immediately.Cultures were taken and we
are waiting for the full report.Low and behold yesterday I became ill with
the same thing my hubby had which is most likely the flu. We are thinking
that I might have passed this on to him since I am the primary caretaker.
That thought makes me cry.
It brings a new meaning to the saying: You make me sick. :'(
Cathy Quinones
In message <55gr90$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - san...@aol.com (SANDTM)
writes:
:> I have a perfect example that transmission from human to bird is
:>possible. My Husband was sick several weeks ago,the other night Rembrandt
:>scared the life out of me by sneezing constantly and discharge came flying
:>out of his nares, then he was gasping for air.BTW it was after hours and
:>my vet came right in.Just a plug for the good vet post. <BG> All day he
:>seemed fine. I took him to the vet immediately.Cultures were taken and we
:>are waiting for the full report.Low and behold yesterday I became ill with
:>the same thing my hubby had which is most likely the flu. We are thinking
:>that I might have passed this on to him since I am the primary caretaker.
:>That thought makes me cry.
:> It brings a new meaning to the saying: You make me sick. :'(
This may not be a perfect example after all: it could be coincidental. You
won't know for sure unless you culture whatever was bothering you, your hubby
AND your bird. The symptoms you describe in the bird simply mean the upper
respiratory tract was/is irritated, which also happens to be symtoms the
humans were showing. However, don't be surprised if your bird learns to
sneeze and cough like you do :) We have a smart-ass senegal that coughs and
sneezes and is perfectly healthy... it just happens my SO had a long-running
allergy that led him to cough a lot, and I suffer from allergies, so I sneeze
quite often.
There are illnesses that can be passed from birds to humans (such as
psittacosis, and a bunch of others "bugs" that don't usually bother people but
that may sicken people with suppressed immune systems, e.g. avian
tuberculosis). Human colds don't seem to bother birds; as someone else said,
viruses are often very species-specifics and bacteria and other larger
parasites seem to be more flexible about their hosts.
Even for those bacteria that we harbor, it would extra effort to make the bird
sick (what I mean is, it's more likely "something" is wrong with the bird,
which leads to those unfriendly bacteria to grow to population sizes that
cause the bird trouble).
To my knowledge, birds don't get or harbor the influenza virus ("the flu")
that bothers humans this time of the year, so, it's unlikely you or your
husband made your bird ill.
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Cathy Quinones
In message <55h45l$v...@camel2.mindspring.com> - quin...@mindspring.com (Cathy
Quinones)3 Nov 1996 03:39:33 GMT writes:
:>
:>In message <55gr90$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - san...@aol.com (SANDTM)
:>writes:
:>:> I have a perfect example that transmission from human to bird is
:>:>possible. My Husband was sick several weeks ago,the other night Rembrandt
:>:>scared the life out of me by sneezing constantly and discharge came flying
:>:>out of his nares, then he was gasping for air.BTW it was after hours and
:>:>my vet came right in.Just a plug for the good vet post. <BG> All day he
:>:>seemed fine. I took him to the vet immediately.Cultures were taken and we
:>:>are waiting for the full report.Low and behold yesterday I became ill with
:>:>the same thing my hubby had which is most likely the flu. We are thinking
:>:>that I might have passed this on to him since I am the primary caretaker.
:>:>That thought makes me cry.
:>:> It brings a new meaning to the saying: You make me sick. :'(
:>
:>This may not be a perfect example after all: it could be coincidental.
(stuff deleted)
:>To my knowledge, birds don't get or harbor the influenza virus ("the flu")
:>that bothers humans this time of the year, so, it's unlikely you or your
:>husband made your bird ill.
CAUTION: THE ABOVE STATEMENT MAY BE TOTALLY WRONG!
Terri Leinneweber e-mailed saying this is not necessarily true, as influenza A
(which can affect humans) can also be found in birds.
I checked the Merck Vet manual, and indeed she is very right, it mentions
influenza A in birds (including pet birds) and mentions that amantadine
hydrochloride has been used to treat influenza A in humans, but that
resistance to this drug tends to develop. It also says "suspected outbreaks
should be reported to regulatory authorities." Mild forms show respiratory
symptoms; more severe cases can affect all systems. Virus has been recovered
from clinically normal sea birds, migrationg waterfowl, imported pet birds and
live bird markets.
My apologies for spouting off :) When the discussion turned to viruses a
while back, what stuck on my mind was that although often we can't beat the
buggers, a good alternative is common sense: wash your hands often! Soap and
water may not kill the viruses, but the process of washing one's hands can do
wonders for simply rinsing them off.
p.s.
I stand by my original statement, though, that until cultures (with viruses,
DNA comparisons?) from the 3 patients are compared, you can't be 100% sure
they all had the same "bug" or that X passed it on to Y.
p.p.s.s.
I hope the boyd gets better, the people too!
SANDTM
In article <55h45l$v...@camel2.mindspring.com>, quin...@mindspring.com
(Cathy Quinones) writes:
>Subject: Re: Beer Drinking Conure?
>From: quin...@mindspring.com (Cathy Quinones)
>Date: 3 Nov 1996 03:39:33 GMT
>
>In message <55gr90$j...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - san...@aol.com (SANDTM)
>writes:
>:> I have a perfect example that transmission from human to bird is
>:>possible. My Husband was sick several weeks ago,the other night
Rembrandt
>:>scared the life out of me by sneezing constantly and discharge came
flying
>:>out of his nares, then he was gasping for air.BTW it was after hours
and
>:>my vet came right in.Just a plug for the good vet post. <BG> All day he
>:>seemed fine. I took him to the vet immediately.Cultures were taken and
we
>:>are waiting for the full report.Low and behold yesterday I became ill
with
>:>the same thing my hubby had which is most likely the flu. We are
thinking
>:>that I might have passed this on to him since I am the primary
caretaker.
>:>That thought makes me cry.
>:> It brings a new meaning to the saying: You make me sick. :'(
>
>This may not be a perfect example after all: it could be coincidental.
You
>won't know for sure unless you culture whatever was bothering you, your
hubby
>AND your bird. The symptoms you describe in the bird simply mean the
upper
>respiratory tract was/is irritated, which also happens to be symtoms the
>humans were showing. However, don't be surprised if your bird learns to
>sneeze and cough like you do :) We have a smart-ass senegal that coughs
and
>sneezes and is perfectly healthy... it just happens my SO had a
long-running
>allergy that led him to cough a lot, and I suffer from allergies, so I
sneeze
>quite often.
>
>
I only said that it was* possible* that we could have transmitted
something to Rembrandt, but I am hoping that You are 100% correct! This
was one of several thoughts that the vet and I discussed. Actually the
first question he asked me after examining Rembrandt was if anyone in the
house was or had been ill. It is also highly possible that he had
something stuck in his sinuses and after his sinuses were flushed it was
removed. But for the time being I am acting and taking the proper
precautions as if he were sick,since I have 4 other birds sharing the same
airspace.
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he learned to sneeze and cough.
I have a Saint Bernard that used to pass gas alot and now Rembrandt
imitates that. <BG>
SANDTM
In article <55jgn2$d...@camel0.mindspring.com>, quin...@mindspring.com
(Cathy Quinones) writes:
>p.s.
>I stand by my original statement, though, that until cultures (with
viruses,
>DNA comparisons?) from the 3 patients are compared, you can't be 100%
sure
>they all had the same "bug" or that X passed it on to Y.
>
>p.p.s.s.
>I hope the boyd gets better, the people too!
>
>
And I totally agree with you. All three of us are a bit better. Thanks
Cathy!!!! But Rembrandt IS the one who is the most better so maybe it IS
as one of the vets thougts were,that he inhaled something into his nares.
We should have the fianl results from the cultures of Rembrandt this week.
but I still am acting as if he is sick,ie strict hygiene controls. I
always make sure hands are washed and all toys,food,water bowls are kept
clean along with his cage.
SANDTM
In article <55m8fp$d...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, san...@aol.com (SANDTM)
writes:
Well World, what grew in the culture was normal bacteria that was supposed
to be there. Rem is still sneezing and really not totally himself. So the
next thing will be bloodwork. The vet is leaning towards something stuck
in his sinus or allergies. I know that Rem does have a pollen allergy but
that usually only happens in the spring and there has never been discharge
from his nares. The vet suggested 3 things,try an antihistimine which
could make him drousy,I said no,a certain type of steroid,I forgot the
name,I said NO WAY!!! Rem was on steroids for one day when he was 4 months
old because the asshole breeders vet put him on it. He became a freaked
out monster. Or a days stay in the hospital for a complete workup
,ex-rays of his lungs,sinuses,bloodwork and whatever else needs to be
done. I would like to opt for the days stay in the hospital but can't
because of financial reasons.SOO I will call back tomorrow and make an
appt for just the bloodwork right now. I am now leaning towards the
allergy part. For something to come on so fast. It was warm then did get
very cold all at once too. So the mystery still remains but at least I
know that we did NOT make him sick. :~)
qwerty...@gmail.com
They enjoy eating fermented fruits to purposely get drunk! That’s not to say give your bird a regular drink, but a drop isn’t bad every now and then.
Had a tattoo artist who bonded with her avairy bred by getting wine drunk together! (Not intentionally)
I’ve let my little buddy have 1 small taste.
But do a little research and you’ll be surprised how much our little buddies are alcoholics.