Re: Snapping when awakened
YourConscience
dizzyizzy wrote:
> We have a beautiful smooth-haired lurcher bitch about 18 months old.
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
> She is has a lovely temperament, very friendly and playful.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "dogs kats kids birdies and
ladies just wanna have FUN.
> There is one problem that is a little upsetting.
ALL TEMPERAMENT And BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> When she has just woken up, she will snap if we go to stroke her,
YOUR DOG DOESN'T TRUST YOU.
> although she never actually bites.
Perhaps she's not THAT afraid of you YET.
> She is allowed on the furniture and often sleeps
> curled up next to us.
That's IRRELEVENT.
> Once she has snapped she is very edgy and views
> everyone with suspicion.
PERHAPS you're gettin it BACKWARDS? Your dog SNAPS
on accHOWENT of SHE DON'T TRUST YOU. When she does
snap, she FEARS RETALIATION.
> This has only really been happening in the last couple of months
Your dog is maturing...
>(we have had her for 6 months),
The honeymoon is OVER.
> about the time another dog hurt her while playing.
THAT'S IRRELEVENT. Dogs DO NOT FEAR and ATTACK THEIR
OWNERS on accHOWENT of they're HURT or AFRAID of STUFF.
They FEAR their owners on accHOWENT of they're MISHANDLED.
> We got her at one year old and we don't know much
> about her background
THAT'S IRRELEVENT.
> other than she has been a stray but we don't know
> for how long or if she was abused.
THAT'S IRRELEVENT.
> I suppose the obvious prevention is
> to not allow her to sleep on the furniture
THE DOG AIN'T ATTACKIN THE FURNITURE.
> but I would like to understand why she is doing this
Your dog LIVES IN FEAR on accHOWENT of YOU MISHANDLE HER.
> as most of the time she is gentle and
> it is lovely having her curled next to us.
The EXXXPERTS you're askin for ADVICE are LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE
and MURDER dogs like you got, dizzyizzy.
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YourConscience
bill wrote:
> Rocky wrote:
> > dizzyizzy said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> >>This has only really been happening in the last couple of
> >>months (we have had her for 6 months), about the time
> >>another dog hurt her while playing.
THAT'S IRRELEVENT.
> > Have you ruled out lingering physical issues?
THAT'S GOT NUTHIN TO DO WITH HOWE COME THE DOG FEARS AND MISTRUSTS HIS
OWNER.
HOWER PAL matty is a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active long
term
acute incurable MENTAL CASE who HURTS and INTIMIDATES dogs and LIES
abHOWET
IT like the rest of these dog abusing mental cases.
> > She may not snap when she's awake because she's better able
> > to prepare herself for physical contact.
THAT'S INSANE. THE PROBLEM IS THE DOG IS AFRAID.
> Or she may be suffering from a form of 'Sudden Onset Rage Syndrome'
You mean FEAR AGGRESSION, billy.
> like that exhibited in Bull Terriers and, I believe, Cocker Spaniels.
And Springers when they're AFRAID from bein locked in boxes and jerked
choked shocked bribed and intimidated according to traditinal trainin
methods as taught by the MENTAL CASES who post here abHOWETS.
LIKE YOURSELF, billy.
> "The most serious behavioral problem for Bull Terriers is
> called "Sudden Onset Rage Syndrome."
You mean FEAR AGGESSION from ABUSE BY MISHANDLING, billy.
> This is when a dog (usually who just awoke from sleeping)
CITES PLEASE? Sleepin got NUTHIN to do with "sudden rage syndrome."
> turns into a mean and dangerous dog for moments.
On accHOWENT of they're AFRAID.
> When the episode is over, the dog is usually dazed and tends
> not to appear to have memory of the event.
UNLIKE the original posters dog, billy: "Once she has snapped
she is very edgy and views everyone with suspicion."
> The kindest thing to do
Well billy, you're the kindly sort, ain't you.
> in these cases is to euthanize the dog."
You mean MURDER the dog on accHOWENT of you're a dog
abusing punk thug coward mental case, eh billy?
<snip IDIOCY>
> Bill
It don't matter HOWE you MURDER a dog, billy, it
only matters that you'll MURDER a dog JUST LIKE
HOWE any ETHICKAL DOG MURDERER (e.g. ETHICKAL
BREEDER) will do when AFRAID of their puppy's
REPUTATION RUINING their good kennel name (like
YOURS, billy) or PROVOKED and runs HOWETA ideas
and information (like YOURSELF, billy) and resorts
to FEAR INTIMDIATION and MURDER and BLAMES the
BREED for being AFRAID of abuse or the handler
for not bein abusive enough AS QUOTED in your
very own written words, eh billy?:
From: bama...@oeb.harvard.edu (Bill)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:54:00 -0500
Subject: Fw: please cross post/Bouvier
I don't know how to write this. I just know as a breeder I have to.
We pride ourselves with being selective with our choices when it comes
to finding good homes for our puppies. The questions we ask, reading
between the lines, listening to innuendoes, checking out resources, on
and on.
We invest a lot of time, energy, and emotions in this process of
placing
our puppies. Then why does it sometimes go so wrong? Am./Can Ch. Cam's
Jack Hammer, a three and a half year old Bouvier, was brutally murdered
by his owner, John Slawinski. Those of you who know me know that I have
kept in contact with John and with Jack for the past few years since
Jack
was a puppy.
I showed Jack to both his championships. At his first show, just six
months old, Jack won Best Of Winners at our regional Specialty here
in E. Lansing, Michigan. Jack would come to my house when John would
go on vacation. I would groom Jack, often. Yes, I kept tabs on this
lovely dog but one day last week John, in a drunken rage, took his
anger out on his dog, my Jack, and in the end John shot Jack.
I have no idea how much Jack suffered.
I have to stop myself from imagining the terror.
Everyone who reads this knows my pain, knows how much this hurts.
I am not writing this for your sympathy. I am writing this because I
do believe that at some time in the future John Slawinski will be
contacting other Bouvier breeders for another dog. My hope is that you,
the caretakers of our breed, will recognize his name if he calls you,
remember his murderous deed, and tell him no (no is too nice a word).
You need to be warned. He will tell you whatever he thinks you want to
hear. He is a master at manipulating, embellishing, and changing the
truth.
Again, his name is John Slawinski. He lives in Lansing, Michigan. He
has
owned Bouviers for years. He tells a good story. He brutally killed his
dog, Champion Cam's Jack Hammer, the last week of October 2002, during
a
drunken rage.
Please post and cross-post. I don't belong to a list so if someone
wants
to post it on the list I would greatly appreciate it. Get this email
out to
anyone that may have puppies for sale now or in the future. Thanks for
your help.
Marilyn L. Adams
http://www.cambouvier.com/ (visit Jack's page on my web site)
mailto: CamBouv...@voyager.net <mailto:CamBouv...@voyager.net>
www.doodoohappens.com
YourConscience
Subject: Re: Dog having Nervous Breakdown?
Tee wrote:
> "lexwild1" <lexwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d17tuq$d06$1...@domitilla.aioe.org...
> >A relative has a one-year-old Sheltie, kind of high=strung, but a
nice
> >dog.
> > Typical Sheltie, gotten from a reputable breeder, obedience
classes, etc.
> > They recently got a kitten. Cat liked dog, dog liked cat. All was
fine,
> > until a week ago the dog stopped eating, laid down and wouldn't get
up,
> > refused to even walk.
> > They took him to a vet, who ruled out any physical problem. The vet
said
> > he
> > was reacting to the presence of the kitten, in other words, a
"nervous
> > breakdown". He's on Valium and doing OK.
> > Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
> No, I haven't and I'd recommend going to another vet. When a
normally
> active dog goes off food and exercise there's almost always a medical
> problem.
> Now if the vet is referring to stress then yes, it can cause lack of
> appetite, sometimes lack of desire to do normal things, but it goes
away
> after a few days and generally sets in immediately after something
major.
> If the dog was fine with the kitten for several days before doing
this then
> I'd doubt the stress factor.
> --
> Tara
You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Summer.
"Tending To Agree With The Positive Reinforcement Method"?
HOWEDY People,
Hello Tara,
"Tara O." <tara29...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:n%Zy6.30496$BC6.8...@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.co
m...
> I tend to agree with the positive reinforcement
> method.
Oh, that's nice. I tend to think people who tend to
agree with positive reinforcement methods tend to be
pulling our chains... That's what I tend to think,
based on my experience working with people who tend to
agree with positive reinforcement who TEND TO
hurt their dogs when their tendencies to use positive
methods are outweighed by their tendencies to run out
of information or intellect and TEND to get frustrated
and TEND NOT to do the things they TEND TO believe are
right, when they TEND to be frustrated, or TEND to be
at a loss for INTELLECT, and TEND TO resort to
violence because they TEND to be shy on BRAINS... I
TEND TO view those folks as hypocrites, that's what I
TEND to do because I just happen to TEND to be HONEST,
> IMO, shock collars should be used only after normal
> obedience training methods have failed.
If your NORMAL obedience training TENDED to properly
train dogs, there would be a TENDENCY to have well
trained dogs. But that's not the case, becasuse NORMAL
obedience training TENDS to provoke, intimidate, and
confound your dog and inhibit his ability to think
and learn to want to work and think and learn... SEE?
That's what I TEND to think about NORMAL obedience
training which TENDS to FAIL because it TENDS to
resort to VIOLENCE instead of TENDING TOWARDS
THE MOST EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AVAILABLE.
> It just bothers me to imagine shocking my dog, even
> at a very low frequency.
It bothers me less to think of shocking the dog than
thinking about what punishment and confrontation can
do to a dog's temperament. That's what I tend to think
based on my thirty eight years professional experience
training dogs.
> I will definitely admit that there are many dogs who
> either can't or won't benefit from training without
> such things as e-collars.
Is that based on your thirty eight years of experience
specializing in temperament and behavior problems and
protection training in giant breed dogs? Or is that
based on your TENDANCY to believe incompetent dog
abusing Thugs who tell you they TEND to get excellent
results from HURTING dogs to train them because they
TEND NOT TO be intelligent enough to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog???
OR IS IT BASED ON YOUR TENDENCY TO MURDER
YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer?
> I just hope its a last-resort, not a first.
And I just hope you figure out why your pals here who
hurt dogs to train them TEND to claim they have me in
their killfiles, because they TEND NOT TO be able to
answer my questions in good conscience...That's what
they TEND to do around here because our lying dog
abusing Thugs TEND to be INCOMPETENT, IMMORAL,
UNETHICAL, UNPRINCIPLED, DOG ABUSING COWARDS.
Like yourself.
That's what I tend to think.
Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >
<ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:12:11
GMT Local: Thurs, Oct 7 2004 10:12 am
Subject: "I'm Shocked That I Shocked" tara o. aka tee,
NC Boxer Rescue Abuse
HOWEDY People
Here's WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES
hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again.
"I'm shocked that I shocked"
"Tara O." <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh9f81$vrac2$1...@ID-92443.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word
> "rescue" in the post, I decided to read down and see
> what he was spewing now. I was able to learn that
> besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and
> murdering my dog, I also shocked her. I must be
> suffering from amnesia.
> Can someone point me to a post where I said
> I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even
> know *how* to use an e-collar....assuming I had one
> which must have been stolen at the same time I lost
> my memory.
> One would think Jerry would be happy with the
> "murder" part and all my other training sins but
> evidently not.
> --
> Tara
HOWEDY tara o.,
You didn't HURT INTIMIDATE and MURFDER
your own DEAD DOG Summer:
Date: 2003-04-28 18:09:04 PST
> "Tara O." wrote:
> > Labs are a breed that are normally trained for
> > field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other
> > forms of physical interaction without making them
> > fearful or aggressive.
==============
From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Dane hyper when passing other dogs
Date: 2001-04-21 12:07:54 PST
I think its pertinent to mention that I've never had
any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in
any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever
"training" I did with them.
I would not feel comfortable relying on my past
experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting,
snapping or growling.
--
Tara O.
===================
From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Canine Behaviors For Dummies
Date: 2001-06-11 19:42:23 PST
"joshua" <jos...@ycsi.net> wrote in message
news:9g3uoi$sc7$0...@63.90.193.133...
> I cant seem to understand why people believe prong
> collars are cruel and inhumane. They do nothing more
> than pinch, getting the attention of the animal.
> Choke collars, on the other hand, do permanent
> damage. They bruise the esophagus.
> Shock collars will eventually destroy nerve endings,
> much the same as electric fencing.
Joshua, you have just reopened a can of worms
that can quickly cause infestation here lol
--
Tara O.
===============
From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: jerry howe
Date: 2001-04-04 11:58:06 PST
> People are tired of being abused and insulted simply
> for saying they use a prong collar, or a choke
> collar, or an e-collar, or a crate, etc. If you want
> to LEARN more about dog training and dog behavior,
> then listen to what they have to say, too.
"I've never not listened to what people say here.
I use a crate, am about to begin with a choke collar,
I'm not the bad guy here." tara o.
======================
From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Electronic Training Collars
Date: 2001-05-11 17:29:33 PST
""Twzl, Sligo and Roy Happy Together"" wrote
> BTW, this is one of the frequent topics on obedience
> email lists. When people say that they haven't used
> corrections, it turns out that they feel that if
> they do it, it's not a real correction. :)
That makes sense in a weird sort of way. I don't
honestly think that its humanly possible to train
anyone or anything without correction. Its human
nature to say 'no' or to stop a behavior by doing
something. I used a tin can with coins to correct
Summer's bad puppy behaviors and the cold shoulder
to correct her other less desirable behaviors. I
have said 'no' so many times that I probably sound
like a broken record. Amie can attest to that
lol.
It seems to me that some people are automatically
equating the term correction with punishment. I
guess they can go hand in hand since my tin can
wasn't something Summer liked. My ignoring her
when she's misbehaving is also something she
doesn't like. Therefore it can be viewed as
punishment? And that term is 100% negative.
Maybe if more people saw it as correction and not
the total negative, they'd be less inclined to
want to be PP.
Don't know if the way I wrote that made sense, it
makes sense in my head but then again the men with
the white coats could come a'knockin at any
moment.
Tara O.
===================
From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Any hope? rage?
Date: 2003-03-26 05:46:02 PST
Yes I see and understand your point. There's no such
thing as 100% vigilence 100% of the time IMO. You
could call an e-fence company to find out if its
possible to wire only your front door so that if she
gets within a certain range of that front door the
collar will start working. I'd think there would be a
way to work that and it may be inexpensive to do
so.
There are also items called Scat Mats that you place
in front of doors or any area you don't want your dog
to proceed through. When stepping on the mat, it gives
off a vibration, something which most dogs hate.
They'll stay far away from the mats. I believe you can
buy them from
--
Tara
==================
Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Need advice--barking dog
Date: 2003-08-06 17:38:14 PST
you could consider installing an invisible fence just
inside the fence line so he cannot get too close. You
could talk to your neighbor about splitting the cost
of whichever alternative you both find most
acceptable.
--
Tara
=================
From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Containment Collars
Date: 2003-03-11 07:12:57 PST
I know people who have electric fences and it works
very well for them. I know people who have them and
whose dogs escape and refuse to come back in. From
the details I know of all involved, I wouldn't use an
e-fence on:
1. An adult dog that wasn't raised with the fence from
a puppy
2. A dog with a high prey drive
3. A very stubborn dog
If I put my female out in an e-fence, the very first
kid, cat, dog or squirrel she sees would have her
bolting through the barrier shock or not. When she
finally loses interest in whatever has caused her to
leave and her adrenalin has diminished, she will think
rationally and realize she's not willing to come back
into the yard because she knows the shock would get
her.
you have a dog who just has to go after or
up to any and everything that walks down the street
then I'd definitely not recommend one of these
systems. The people I know who it works for installed
them when their dogs were pups so they were brought up
trained to it. Two of the ones I know it didn't work
for have adult adopted dogs who weren't raised
with this kind of invisible barrier.
===================
From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: escape artist, thunder, aggression
questions Date: 2001-05-12 07:56:04 PST
Since he got a taste of freedom and knows he can
get out I doubt you'll be able to stop him short
of tethering him or using a more sophisticated
device like an e-fence but I wouldn't recommend
going the electronic fence route without first
doing your homework on the pros and cons of them
and understand that they are not fool-proof.
=========================
MacKenzie's First Pinch Collar Class
Date: 2003-07-08 13:54:19 PST
I consider myself to be a pretty good basic obed.
trainer of Boxers with some learned but not necessarily
practiced, advanced training knowledge.
I think this because not only have I worked
with all the dogs I've had at my house but I'm also
the one in charge of all the dogs in our rescue, their
behavioral issues (identifying and working with),
basic training (done in the foster home) and a host of
other things. I'm the one who gives the advice and
walks the foster volunteers through alot of things.
Now I don't believe, for a second, that I would be
successful at teaching basic obedience to other dogs
in a class environment. Maybe I would but probably
not. Other trainers with class experience may think I
have no clue what I'm doing because my experience
has been primarily hands-on and with only one breed.
=========================
YourConscience
phd psychoclHOWEN,
Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
> "dizzyizzy" <janeah...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1112711374.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > There is
> > one problem that is a little upsetting. When she has just woken
up,
> > she will snap if we go to stroke her, although she never actually
> > bites.
>
> Note that I am not a trainer or a vet,
LikeWIZE NOTE that you ARE a proven liar and dog
abuser punk thug coward mental case, marcel.
> but one possibility is that she just wakes up slowly
> and isn't quite sure what is around her,
You mean she's AFRAID, marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog
abuser coward mental case phd psychoclHOWEN?
> thus reacts with a snap.
Oh? You mean kinda like HOWE your own dog did
when he bit your Mrs. on accHOWENT of you ABUSE
him, marcel?
> Marcel and Moogli
> http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/
CuriHOWES ain't it, HOWE most of HOWER dog lover's
dogs GOT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEM for the
SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON, eh marcel the idiot
imbecile liar phd psychoclHOWEN?
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA!!!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
YourConscience
Spot wrote:
> Or she could just be sensible and let the dog alone
> till she is fully awake.
THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY, spot. The dog is AFRAID and NEEDS HEELP.
> Barney used to snap if you startled him while sleeping
Your dogs snap at you bums on accHOWENT of you CHOKE and SHOCK
and INTIMIDATE and BRIBE and lock them in boxes and deny and
withhold attention affection and so called rewards.
> and I certainly never considered putting him to sleep.
PERHAPS THAT'S on accHOWENT of you ENJOY HURTIN HIM?
> Celeste
LUCKY THING your pal bill is a DOG LOVER or someWON
might suggest he's a dog abusing punk thug coward
mental case like the other cretins like tara o. aka
tee who MURDERED her own DEAD DOG Summer for the
SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON?
> "bill" <bam...@oeb.harvard.edu> wrote in message
> news:d2ue9v$5eu$1...@us23.unix.fas.harvard.edu...
> >
> >
> > Rocky wrote:
> > > dizzyizzy said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > >
> > >
> > >>This has only really been happening in the last couple of
> > >>months (we have had her for 6 months), about the time
> > >>another dog hurt her while playing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you ruled out lingering physical issues? She may
> > > not snap when she's awake because she's better able to
> > > prepare herself for physical contact.
> >
> > Or she may be suffering from a form of 'Sudden Onset Rage
> > Syndrome' like that exhibited in Bull Terriers and, I
> > believe, Cocker Spaniels.
>
> > "The most serious behavioral problem for Bull Terriers is
> > called "Sudden Onset Rage Syndrome." This is when a dog
> > (usually who just awoke from sleeping) turns into a mean
> > and dangerous dog for moments. When the episode is over,
> > the dog is usually dazed and tends not to appear to
> > have memory of the event. The kindest thing to do in these
> > cases is to euthanize the dog." from:
> > http://www.thebullterrier.com/btgendis.shtml
> >
> > Bill
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA!!!