Re: Reaction to snakes
YourConscience
> David Hare-Scott wrote:
> Our Kelpie was hand raised and spent his first 3 years in the city,
> there is no chance that he ever met a snake there. Now we are on
> country acreage with all sorts of wildlife including snakes.
>
> From the first time he saw one the behaviour has been the same:
> stand back, prepare to run and give intense warning barks.
Oh? You mean JUST LIKE HOWE he responds when you have visitors.
You've been postin to these lying dog abusing punk thug coward
active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASES for YEARS with NO
SUCCESS for ANY temperament or behavior problem your dog has had.
> The other day he went into this routine on a neighbour's property
You musta looked HOWET thinkin you had guests arriving?
> and so we told them there was a snake near their front door.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard got snakes an poisonHOWES toads an
poisonHOWES flHOWERS and gators an BEARS in HIS backyard, only
a couple blocks from right in the middle of the city.
> The neighbour replied that there WAS a snake near the door
The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches HIS dogs to LOVE other critters
and RESPECT their right to life love and peace.
> the day before but now it is an ex-snake and lying on the rubbish
> heap. So the dog knows snakes by smell as well as by sight.
Ooops! That could be dangerHOWES for both your dog and the snake.
> It seems clear to me that the reaction is inate,
Yeah, kinda like HOWE your dog REACTS to GUESTS.
> that it is inherited not learned.
THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY, david.
> Can others confirm this?
You mean the other incompetent imbeciles who heelped you
train your dog not to trust your guests, david?
> Do all dogs have this knowledge about snakes?
NO. Your dog is AFRAID of them and treats them JUST LIKE
HOWE he GREETS YOUR GUESTS visiting your HOWES, david.
> David
Your dogs wouldn't BE AFRAID if you trained and handled him
pupperly, david. Poison proofin dogs from snakes is EZ. Your
PALS like to SHOCK and CHOKE their dogs to make them IGNORE
snakes, david, but IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS they're STANDIN
THERE READY TO HURT THEIR DOGS someMOORE.
REMEMBER david? We been through all this PRYOR:
Subject: Deadly Nightshade / PoisonHOWES
Plants & Critters - Forbidden Fruit
Date: 2004-05-01 10:17:56 PST
HOWEDY People,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches HIS dogs
not to harm or eat innocent critters and poisonHOWES
plants arHOWEND HIS HOWES, like Deadly Nightshade
and poisonNHOWES toads.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's dogs have been
pupperly introduced to all the poisonHOWES
plants and critters livin an grHOWEing abHOWET
HIS HOWES.
HOWEver, as dogs will be dogs and we know
every behavior must be apupriately GENERALIZED.
When weeding the puperty your poisonHOWES plants
which your dogs had been pupperly introduced to while
growing from the grHOWEND, are suddenly CHANGED
to a new and interesting potentially DEADLY EXXXPERIENCE.
So, soon as you're done trimin your poisonHOWES
plants, allHOWE your dog to check them HOWET
and follow the METHOD to EXXXTINGUISH their
desire for the FORBIDDEN FRUIT just like HOWE
you train ALL behaviors like introducing dogs to kats
or breaking fear aggression of small children dog
fighting fear of thunder or any other behavior, according
to The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual.
"My Dog Ate A Poisonous Toad!!!"
HOWEDY People,
Living in Florida is wonderful at times but it
can have it's drawbacks; the heat, the skeeters,
the torrential dHOWEnpours, gators, poisonus
snakes and toads, and the snow birds who
want to come down and borrow my home for
two weeks or a month when it's cold up north...
Well, Jerry's dog's ain't never gonna eat a
poisonous toad because Jerry's not afraid
of a poisonous toad or anything else around
his dogs, except the snowbirds.
Here in FL my doors are open most of the
time, and the dogs and poison toads, even
the mockingbirdy walk in and out at will,
unmolested.
When my dogs spot them I say "what's that?"
When my dogs go over to investigate and
come too close, "'Kerchink!' GOOD BOY,
NICE DOG, THAT'S A GOOD FELLA" and
then I tell them it's "O.K., friends."
When my pups approach again, it's ANOTHER
" 'Kerchink!' GOOD BOY, NICE DOG, THAT'S
A GOOD FELLA" from another direction, and I
tell them "it's friends."
A couple of introductions like that, and the
poison toads and mockingbirdy can come
and go in peace and eat the mosquitoes
that would harm us, and never need my
supervision again, because my doggy's
know they're not to be molested.
Wish it were like that with the snowbirds
who want to use up my toilet paper and
call their cousins on my phone cause it's
a "local call." We've got probably the
highest in state phone charges in the
country and T.P. gets expensive.
Why can't life always be PURE PLEASURE?
Could be. If it's not, it's cause you don't know HOWE.
Here's a couple quotes from my students:
Here's two Pauls:
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
> > =============================
Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands How Wits End
Training Really Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That
Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built
On Trust And Understanding."
Disciple Paulie Writes:
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and
say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the
request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking
then responding everytime.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule
applies to every aspect of the relationship with
your dog.
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
Paul.
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--- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.
Hey J,
I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.
The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with
the last.
I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.
I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.
The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.
Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.
I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.
See ya,
Paul
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> From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
> Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
> Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
> It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
> without too much difficulty.
:>
> My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
> Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around
> the bowls :-)
> I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
> anytime the dogstried to eat the cats food, followed
> with immediate praise. It worked a treat.
> The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there
> is food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we
> go out and leave the dogs with access inside through
> a dog door.
> Paul
> Obedience and affection are not related, if they
> were everyone would have obedient dogs.
> See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....
> http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html
> Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!
====================
"Paul B" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3edc...@clear.net.nz...
> "shaper" <nom...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3edb...@quokka.wn.com.au...
> > I have been reading these forums for a few weeks
> > now, and am getting really confused!!
> > but is there actually anyone who has used the
> > methods in this manual with any success ?
100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY
INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Student.
It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,
NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE,
SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL technique in the
Whole Wild World, BAR NONE.
> > I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon
> > and really would like to know the best and most
> > effective way of training without using food treats
> > or violence (i do agree with what the guy says about
> > food treats and violence)
> > Thanks for any intelligent replies
> I have tried his methods and found them extremely
> effective. There are several areas in particular I found
> useful.
> He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each
> other all the time. He teaches you to have such good
> communication with your dog you don't need leash
> corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get
> the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with
> a snap of your fingers.
> When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
> to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching them
> without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use good
> communication and was unable to be tempted to use
> the lead to correct them.
> Another part of the training I agree with is not using
> the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
> or react with it in such a way that you become involved
> in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach often
> results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you are
> about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding, counter
> surfing etc).
> Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
> friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
> pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
> is included in this), teach it to recall reliably, then
> to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
> Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
> If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
> are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
> Paul
===============================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfit...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m.
> To: Ama...@DCFWatch.com; paulbou...@clear.net.nz
> Subject: Jerry Howe
> Hi,
> Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering
> what you have to say of his training methods.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbou...@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfit...@hotmail.com>; <Ama...@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe
> If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must
> already have a good idea about what I think.
> His methods are the best I have come across. They
> aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if
> you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If
> you go his way then you have to forget all the other
> gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
> in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
> the results.
> You can't combine his methods with other training
> methods, not until you understand what you are
> trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
> combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even
> then just a snip of what they suggest which works
> in parallel with the Wits End concept.
> His methods make you as the trainer completely
> responsible for your actions, his methods make
> you think and work out your own solutions for
> any given situation, the default (the recall) is
> always there to get things under control again.
> His ideas and concepts teach you to work with
> the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to
> work together which is surely the best way to be.
> His methods don't use force or intimidation but
> they do totally emphasize the absolute importance
> of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
> can achieve almost nothing.
> If you are wondering how a dog can be trained
> without any negativity the answer lies in the recall,
> anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a
> request you call him / her to you, since the recall
> is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a
> way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns
> to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
> we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an
> "equal" position.
> His methods are very good, his understanding of
> dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods.
> Paul Bousie
==============================
"Paul B" <pand...@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2a...@clear.net.nz...
> Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
> all, people who find the manual useful are those that
> don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
> but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
> live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
> advice in his manual are people who have already
> tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
> the poor results.
> The more I think about the methods he suggests the
> more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
> believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
> whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
> our values and I don't believe they are capable of
> understanding them either, so to train them we use
> methods they understand. That means abstract
> training, doing sometimes what appears to
> almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.
> If you are purely result orientated then you will not
> find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
> and love to work WITH them then his manual is
> your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
> with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
> it, it's very obvious why.
> When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
> particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
> becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
> interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
> thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
> stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
> in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
> pursue that behaviour.
> Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
> Paul
=======================
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST
Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Date: 2000/10/21
Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.
Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.
Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.
Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.
Paul.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Paul.
========================
From: Paul B (a...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: dog chewing he paw raw.
Date: 2004-01-01 22:19:01 PST
Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot somewhere on
their bodies and I have always managed to train them to stop.
In all cases there was nothing wrong that licking would have
helped (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and skin
irritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their licking
has been due to any allergies. When I see the dog licking more
than normal I look at the spot to see whats there and decide
if a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see, keeping a
close eye.
To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it
some friendly banter, when it starts licking again I repeat,
usually after about 4 times the dog stops, for the moment at
least, if it starts again then repeat, before long the dog has
no more desire to lick that spot at all.
Paul
From: Hennie van Dalen Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing problem too.
He had an itch due to blocked anal glands and started chewing
and licking his tail at the root.
After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was gone he still
wouldn't stop. (because the place he chewed raw was itching)
After some training (roughly the same methode as yours) he
stopped.
--
Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
(h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl)
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
schreef inbericht
news:DLpzb.2640$Qd6....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> You'll get ALL the INFORMATION you need in your
> FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. You'll be
> taught some general exercises to calm and relax
> your dog and give him the direct attention he
> NEEDS in only a few minutes every other day, and
> you'll learn HOWE to use distraction and praise to
> EXXXTINGUISH the HABITUAL aspect of this DIS-EASE.
My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).
After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.
I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.
I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.
The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,
after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.
One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
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"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis...@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...
RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The
F***ing Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works very good!
But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on A4-size
paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching him something
new takes about 30minutes (depending on what to teach
offcourse)
My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.
Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"
There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.
For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!
My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.
Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html
-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/
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"Ted Rumple" <rumplem...@kalbar.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!
> Thank you for your service to humanity!
"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-
Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:
CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.
Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
The Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ ) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
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