Re: digging in yard
YourConscience
les wrote:
>
> We got a Mixed Lab from the pound
A dog is a dog.
> a couple months ago
Time is irrelevent immaterial and inconsequential...
> and it has begun digging in the yard.
Dogs dig for several reasons. Sometimes they dig to control
temperature, or to bury / find STUFF, or from anXXXIHOWESNESS.
> It takes 15 minute breaks out there so it's not a matter of
> long boring excursions
BORED DOGS SLEEP.
Your dog AIN'T diggin to keep warm cool or dry..
THAT MEANS your dog digs from anXXXIHOWESNESS.
> (our fenced yard offers plenty of entertainment besides...
> rabbits, squirels, etc.)
You should teach your dog to be NICE to innocent critters.
> I've tried watching from a window to correct him immediately,
You cannot "correct" NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE begaviors.
> but of course it NEVER happens while I'm on duty.
Your dog probably GOT WIZE to you.
> What drives them to this behavior?
Diggin is USUALLY an anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISM.
Of curse, diggin is FUN, but that's a different kind of diggin.
> Any way to stop this besides babysitting him,
Yeah. You can TRAIN him NOT TO DIG or to dig where you ask
him to in a couple of minutes of EZ GENTLE SCIENTIFIC and
PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONING AS TAUGHT in your FREE COPY of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual <{) : ~ ) >
> which hasn't worked yet?
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's
And All Dogs,
For ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES
ALL OVER
The Whole Wild World
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
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The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT BIRDY or CHILD
in a few minutes to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY
THING you ask if you DON'T follow the ADVICE of
the lying dog kat birdy and child abusing MENTAL
CASES you're askin for HEELP.
You GET The Critter You TRAINED
A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.
ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> Les
Listen up, Dr. B. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has read ALL
the responses to this thread. The ADVISORS you're askin
have VERY LONG POSTED CASE HISTORIES of DEATH PAIN FEAR
MISERY and DIS-EASE from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-
EASE and temperament and behavior PROBLEMS with their
own dogs...
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Subject: "Hole Digging" By Dr. Karen Overall, Professor Of Behavior,
Clincal Studies Department, School of Veterinary Medicine University Of
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HOWEDY heyzeus,
heyz...@nixspam.net (Heyzeus) wrote in
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> Are you people for real??
Like a nightmare, zeus.
>"michael" <c...@dogtv.com> wrote in message
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>> Jeff Harper wrote:
>> > Jerry, I've been reading your training manual, and though
>> > I don't agree with a lot of it,
That's O.K. There's nuthin sbujective about the
results my methods get.
>> > I do find it thought provoking.
I'm gonna rock your world.
>> > If you can refrain for the moment from pointing out
>> >how I'm such an idiot, etc.,
Certainly there's no need for me to do that.
>> > I invite you to explain/support your below assertion
>> > that dogs naturally oppose their owners:
I'll do ya one better. I'll just billie, fillet, fry,
and release another of your top veterinary behaviorists
for ya:
"Hole Digging" As Misunderstood By Dr. Karen Overall,
Professor Of Behavior, Clincal Studies Department,
School of Veterinary Medicine University Of Pennsylvania
Date: 2001-10-02 19:01:21 PST
Hello People,
My intent is not to harm anyone, other than to expose and discredit
and put them out of this business of course. But in my opinion, to
edit these discussions would diminish the severity and desperation
in the state of the art of dog training and behavior as we understand
it
today...
> From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
> Date: 1999/02/08
> This is a repost of an earlier submission posted under the
> title: "Re: Human-training books?" I thought the new title
> might attract some new readers to this thread.
> Best wishes,
> Marshall
> In article <36BE3E30.36516...@earthlink.net>
rhurw...@earthlink.net
> writes:
> > Marshall, what do you want to train your dog to do/not do?
> > It's up to you, within the constraints of the dog breed. Dobies
> > don't like to swim, and Labradors do.
> Sure, there are differences between breeds.
Yes. But that doesn't mean shoving a labradors head under water
you've filled into a hole he's dug will not be as effective as doing
that with a doberman or Mastiff, only the consequences might vary,
for the "expert" doing so. That's one reason why Jerry don't hurt
dogs to train them.
> > Once you've decided how you want your dog to behave (they are
> > animals and we are modern urban people), you have to consult
> > the experts who, over the years, have devoted their lives to the
> > behavior of our closest friends of the animal kingdom.
> Well, what if you want to train your dog to do something new?
> For example, suppose my dog will look left and look right on
> command. (Maxi almost has mastered this.)
> Suppose I wanted to make this more complex.
> Suppose I wanted Maxi to only look right or look left when I say
> "look right" or "look left," respectively, if my glasses are on;
> otherwise, Maxi should do the opposite of what I say if my
> glasses are off.
That's EZ professor.
> Perhaps some dog expert has trained similar behavior but then
> perhaps not.
I don't train tricks professor. I specialize in temperament and
behavior problems and protection. Closest I ever came to training
a trick dogs was to teach a nice smile to make folks believe the dog
was snarling on duty in front of the company safe. Took about an
hour, but all the other training was already done.
> Should I believe that the dog experts have trained everything?
I'm not interested in parlor tricks, professor. I'm interested in
working dogs and temperament and behavior problems.
> More interestingly, have the dog experts discovered all the basic
> relations between environmental events and behavior?
I wouldn't know, professor. The shade tree I grew up training dogs
under didn't have any special events, except that hurricane chewed
it up a bit, but it grew back, probably because I spoke to it
soothingly after that incident, wouldn't you think, professor?
What kind of environmental events make your
little dog masturbate on your couch pillows?
> Could the dog experts learn something from the pigeon experts?
I don't know from pegeons, professor, but my Doggy Do Right (And
Kitty Will Too) broke a rooster of excessive crowing. My customer
wrote about his neighbors rooster, and wanted to know if my machine
would quiet the noisy bird who crowed every 45 seconds from sunup
till about eleven a.m. Took my machine about three weeks to quiet
this birdie to crowing about once an hour, certainly a reasonable
amount of cock-a-doodle-doo to enjoy the beauty of the beast,
without the disturbance. Same thing goes for noisy and hand shy
parrots, professor.
What can you do to modify such behaviors without making
cachatorie, like those which my machine does for ME, professor?
> After all, the kind of complex discrimination I described for
> Maxi, above, is mastered by piegons.
Yes, you're strictly for the birds, professor (an American
expression).
> >These experts are experts.
The original poster is refering to our Gang Of Thugs and koehler...
> > They can show you how to get your Springer to come back,
They jerk, choke, and shock dogs to make them come.
> > they can show you how to get your German Shepherd Dog to
> > protect.
They switch them with riding crops and hickory sticks, and they
flank them, pulling the loose skin between the rib and rear leg. And
they muzzle them and slap their faces and pull their ears and tails.
And in the schutzhund ring, they hit them twice with bamboo rods
as part of their test.
> > They can show you how to get your Yorkshire Terrier to heel.
Maybe not without choking him on a pronged spiked pinch choke
collar.
> >They could probably show you how to get your APBT to raise a
> > rabbit.
NO, that BREED is not good with other animals... say our "experts."
> >They're experts,
That's what they say to justify hurting dogs to train them. Expert
dog trainers do NOT hurt dogs to train them, do they? j;~}
> > and all you have to do is read their advice.
INDEED. Ask Robert Crim. I'll post one of his commentaries below.
Ask that little dog in "interested in hearing" or the one that bit
the kid in the face a couple weeks ago, or Sampson.
> >It's not necessary to discover why dogs do things, AGAIN!
I for one don't really care why dogs do things, my job is to change
the things they do. Knowing what motivates the dog to do things is
academic. Getting the dog to do or not do things is the bottom line.
Why they do what they do is nice to know information, but has little
bearing on HOWE we train a dog to do things.
That's why our "experts" need to use pronged spiked pinch choke
and shock collars and beat them with sticks. HOWEver, the key
issue is, are we working with the natural instincts and drives of
the dog? Or are we working against Mother Nature, as we crate and
scold and jerk and choke and shock and beat dogs with sticks to
motivate them as amy dahl teaches, or pinch and twist their ears
and toes as cindymooreon teaches?
That's what our "experts" don't understand because their goals
are to make a dog do "X," using any "tools" necessary to force
their will on the dumb beast, whereas my goals are to make the
dog WANT to do anything I ASK, because his instinctive pack
drives compel him to do anything I ask, if I know HOWE to lead
and HOWE to ask, because that's HOWE a pack operates.
> I'm sure we can all learn much from the experts.
Yes professor. You're an expert, aren't you?
> But even within a breed not all dogs are the same. Not only do
> they not share the exact set of genes but even if raised in the
> same house they do not share the identical environment.
A dog is a dog, professor. Let's not complicate things beyond that.
Our "experts" point to differences in dogs to justify hurting them.
I train all kinds of dogs for all kinds of behaviors, and I train
them each exactly the same way. Big dogs, little dogs, shy dogs,
aggressive dog, all the same to me. Scientific training methods do
not change according to the individual, do they, professor. The
scientific method requires exact duplication of the scientific
techniques, isn't that correct, professor?
> So, dogs may do things that are initially quite puzzling and
> often call for a careful environmental/behavioral analysis.
As a human thinker, you're probably not capable of understanding
what another individual of your own species who is not speaking
and has not signed a sworn affidavit under observation, knows,
thinks, or feels about anything. Isn't that correct, professor.
> I have stressed understanding such relations in my posts and I
> think any expert would have to do the same.
You've ridiculed my regard for RELATIONSHIP, professor. I'll post
that one next, to cheer you up.
To me, I think I understand quite a bit, but to my students, they
don't want to know why their dog pees on the floor, they just want
to know HOWE to stop it.
> The importance of studying environment/behavior relations, is not
> my personal view.
That's a very good point, professor. You've never had a thought of
your own, have you professor. That's part of being a good student,
studying other people's work. You rely on other professors works
to guide your thinking instead of your own work.
> Perhaps, if you have time you might want to review _Clinical
> Behavioral Medicine for Small Animals_ published by Mosby
> Press,1997 which was written by Karen L. Overall, MA, VMD, PhD,
> Diplomate, American College of Veternary Behavior.
Not particularly, professor. Our esteemed Thug melanie chung
trained her dog Solo unsuccessfully for the past year or so with Dr.
Overall. That's the same work that our melanie chung has used
unsuccessfully on her dog Solo, who has been on behavior
medication after nearly a half year in training.
melanie repeatedly refused to discuss the dominance training
techniques she was taught to use against fearful Solo. But the
good news is melanie has recently begun advanced training in
sheep herding, where melanie allowed her man shy fear
aggressive dog Solo be struck in the face with a shepards crook.
And your pal blackman does likewise with her dog, so that's the
state of the art in sheep dog and temperament training in the USA.
> I hope Dr.Overall, who holds a professorship in the Department of
> Clincal Studies of the School of Veterinary Medicine at the
> University of Pennsylvania, is expert enough for you.
Probably is for them but not for me, professor. A sheepskin on the
wall only means to me, another sheep died.
> As I recall there was a post about a dog who dug "too much."
No doubt, hundreds of them. By the way, my machine cures
excessive digging too, professor. But I'll have to admit, the
methods
in my manual work faster to cure that behavior problem, and can be
moore easily directed at specific locations.
> On pages 263-265, Overall discusses digging.
It'll take longer to read her papers on it than to address and
extinguish the behavior using my methods, professor. It's no
different than eatin poo, professor. Or jumping fences. Or anything
else, professor.
> She notes five causes of digging: to mark/scrape an elimination
> area, to bury somthing, to uncover something, to thermoregulate,
> to play with something that plays back e.g., soil, roots, stones.
Amazing, truly amazing.
> She then discusses each cause of digging in detail. Here is what
> she wrote about play:
> "Dogs that dig as a form of self-play, quickly learn that roots
> and soil play back. This is a formula for gardening disaster.
No problem. My methods will break that behavior in just a few
minutes over a couple of days.
> The only remedy for this involves constant supervision so that
> the client can stop the dog as the digging begins,
Not so, professor. My methods address any behavior problem, even
long after the fact.
> and active play should be increased.
"Experts" who rely on excessive exercise to control behavior
problems do so because they don't know HOWE to train a dog. Dogs
who become habituated to excessive exercise to control their
behaviors suddenly go out of control when their exercise routine is
interrupted due to health or weather. Their owners find out the hard
way, that their dog has an exercise gorilla on his back (an analogy
to
withdrawal of addiction to opiates).
> When dogs amuse themselves like this, they are not
> communicating that they would like to be penned in a cement and
> chain-link fence kennel; rather, they are communicating that they
> can stimulate themselves but need areobic play with people or
> objects that play back. Clients need to be helped to meet these
> pets' needs. More confinement will not suffice.
Actually, neither is necessary if you are handling and training the
dog properly. Out of control activity like playing only serves to
encourage moore out of control behaviors, not encourage
calming behavior or teach self control.
> There is a learning component for any behavior, including digging.
No for me. If it's inappropriate digging, we extinguish it. If it's
thermalwhatchamacallits, if he's got his favorite spot, he'll
probably not dig elsewhere unless seasonal changes require
a move, but we can change or eliminate it if we desire. If it's
play, we can direct the play to an appropriate area or extinguish
it, the choice is yours, the dog will do as we want, because that's
the nature of the beast, isn't it professor?
> It is possible that the longer any digging in any of the above
> categories continues, the worse it will become.
Well, that kinda goes without saying. But that does not suggest we
can't extinguish the behavior just because it's been ingrained, if
you know HOWE.
> The dog learns, and the behavior will become self-reinforcing.
That's why we got experts like me, who deal with those things for a
living, and we got professors who talk like they knew something
about it, for a living.
> The occasional dog digs constantly in the absence of any of the
> above correlates.
Amazing, truly amazing, professor.
> This digging is qualitatively and quantitatively different from
> the above descriptions.
Correct. It may take an experienced eye to distinguish the
difference, or a really good cross examination of the third party
observer, to understand why the dog digs, professor. But in
the big scheme of things, my methods address all of the
contributary factors for ALL temperament and behavior and
training problems, professor, it really isn't relevant in my book.
> These dogs require few or no stimuli and dig in a focused,
> invariant pattern.
That's got no bearing on my interests in, or methods for, stopping
the behavior for my students.
> As with most management-related behaviors, this form of digging
> may be a form of an anxiety or OCD.
MANAGEMENT RELATED? HEEL NO! I see digging usually as an
anxiety relief mechanism. That's why my machine cures those
behavior problems, professor. The methods in my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method do that too professor, and probably a little
faster than my machine can.
> It usually does not respond to the above "quick" management
> solutions,
Gee. I must have missed that part, professor. I'll go back and look.
I didn't notice any solutions, quick or otherwise. Wait here, I'll
be right
back...
NOPE. Well, we got play, and play policeman, and confinement.
That's training, professor? She calls digging a MANAGEMENT
problem, professor. I see excessive or inappropriate digging as an
ANXIETY RELATED temperament problem, professor.
That's why the methods in my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
work so well on this kind of behavior, because my methods calm
dogs and exercises their thinking. But you want biopsy proof of
that,
professor.
> although they should be implemented, but can respond to
> behavioral and pharmalogical treatment for anxiety or OCD.
Well, the pharmaceutical route is rather ineffective, about 15%
success when used in conjunction with behavior modification. That's
according to the pharmacutical companies and the behavior
modification techniques our "experts" use. I got no use for most of
the traditional methods, professor, because my students and their
dogs' lives depend on proficiency and respect, not spelling,
punctuation, and grammar, or fear, force, and confrontation.
> Please ignore any advice about filling a hole that the dog has
> dug with water and then submerging the dog's head in the water
> (Koehler, 1962). Such advice is barbaric, inhumane, potentially
> injurious to both client and dog, and wrong."
Yes, but it's recommended on cindymooreons faqs page at k9web.
Right there quotin koehler again. Isn't that correct, professor?
> >It's not necessary to re-invent the wheel.
The wheel is broke.
> I really don't know why you label my posts as "re-inventing the
> wheel."
Because you're full of hot air, professor.
> If you think that Dogman and Koeheler have invented the wheel,
> then you can "get on their wagon." I'd rather apply the
> behaviorism of B.F. Skinner as outlined, for example, in:
Does he teach you HOWE to stop the dog from digging?
> B.F. Skinner (1951). "How to teach animals." Scientific
> American
> 185 (12): 26-29.
Well professor, you should be able to answer all of our dog behavior
and training questions, don't you think?
> which emphasizes positive reinforcement.
Yes, but you someHOWE extrapolate that to include a modest but
tragic amount of negative reinforcement, if that means punishment
today, in your language. In my language, we don't have any negative
interaction whatsoever, professor, as that tends to cause or
complicate health and behavior problems, like self abuse on your
couch pillows professor, excessive barking, compulsive chewing,
digging, whining, pacing, self mutilation, aggression, intestinal
and digestive disorders, and seizure activity.
> --Marshall
> Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University
> of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
Here's MORE STUPIDITY from our lying doc ''professor'' dermer:
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:8jjds0$tre$1...@uwm.edu...
> Yep! Of course, the truth of the advice is not
> whether I or others agree, but whether the advice
> works! :-)
You mean like The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual?
Interesting HOWE you deleted Marilyn from your list
of posters you've learned from. She's about the best
trainer I've spoken to. She trains probably one thousand
dogs a year. The way she teaches the come command is
impeccable.
Wise move killfiling her information...
Yes, you've led some of the arguments defending
force, punishment, hurting dogs, and deriding non
force methods. You criticize my methods without
reading any further than my condemnation of the
universities for the sorry state of the art of
behaviorism as it exists today in dog training.
You've recently endorsed the koehler method. In
order to endorse the koehler method, you must be
prepared to hang dogs who object to the
incrementally increasing force, violence, and
intimidation. Koehler justifies hurting dogs for
willfully disobeying commands as a direct affront to
the trainers AUTHORITY.
Isn't aggression a predictable response to jerking and
choking and shocking and twisting and pinching
ears, toes, and testicles, and beating dogs with sticks
to MOTIVATE THEM?
Don'cha thaink?
> Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil
> and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom
> I have learned much.
This is going to hurt a little bit, doc. Brace yourself.
It'll be all over in about two minutes. Just relax.
> They include: Amy Dahl,
Oh yes, we were just mentioning some of her methods,
weren't we...
She likes to beat Retriever dogs with sticks to
motivate dogs to WANT to retrieve. She pinches ears,
not twists them. NO mention of twisting of toes or
testicles, and she shocks and chin cuffs, NOT SLAPS,
retriever dogs, to teach them to retrieve...
NICE stuff, huh?
> Diane Blackman,
Yes, diane... She's as confused and deceitful as they
come. She knits cover-ups for pronged choke collars
so she can train dogs illegally on akc showgrounds,
and so that people won't SEE the prongs and think
the less of her... She twists words better than you
can, BECAUSE SHE HASN'T GOT BAGGED FOR
LYING, LIKE YOU DID.
She's got a dog who's been a chronic puller for five
years, and she day boards her dogs because she can't
trust them at home alone. Her links page has lots of
lousy advice, but diane won't edit the lousy ones that
teach HURTING dogs, because she says she doesn't
know enough about training to discern good from
bad information... Whaddaya thaink of that?
And now she's allowing a "sheep dog trainer" to whack
her UNTRAINED dog in the face for attacking sheep she's
allowing him to molest under the disguise of training.
> Janet Boss,
Jerks dogs around on pronged collars to make them friendly.
She's as incompetent a creature as G-D could
possibly create. I'll be throwing THAT in HIS face
when I get there... She has no business telling people
to kill their dogs because their only option is
to jerk the dog around and keep him confined for the
rest of his life. See the thread ''interested in hearing''
and you'll see for yourself HOWE you bums
mishandle and kill dogs because you don't have any
IDEAS and can't outwit a puppydog...
> Susan Fraser,
susan twists and pinches ears and toes and shocks
and chokes dogs on pronged choke collars. But she
doesn't hurt them.
> Avrama Gingold,
Our Professora... She tells us "chin cuff definitely does
not mean slap the dog."
She got her damned teeth knocked down her throat when
her dog finally figured out HOWE to hurt her back, and make
it look like anaccident. That'scalled allelomimetic behavior.
avrama had a habit of jerking him to make him heel
or come, but always made it look like the dog did it to
himself.
Dogs are smart.
Don't take my word for it, that's in the Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual.
> Lynn Kosmakos,
Our pathological liar? She jerks and chokes and
hangs dogs according to the koehler method. She
justifies force because there are so many dogs to
HELP and such little time to HELP them all, at the
shelter she kills dogs at. Her own selectively bred,
hand picked and tested dog failed her training for SAR.
And she told a new foster care giver to leave a long line on
their new foster care dog in his crate so they can jerk and
choke IT to make him feel safe and secure in his new home.
> Bob Maida,
What advice? "Don't let him do that?" Killfiles is all
he writes about. He can't talk dog training because
he is a violent dog trainer. If he opens his yap, I shove his
foot in it for him and hammer on top of his head till he's
craping toenails... He's no dog trainer.
He said he recommends cindymoron's Website to his
''students'' and they tell him HOWE much they've
benefited from it... cindymron's site has instructions
for sticking your fingers down puppies throats to
choke them out of mouthing, kneeing the dog in the
chest, shocking, throwing the dog down by his ears
and climbing on him like a wild animal, pinching and
twisting ears, choking, jerking, and sticking dog's
heads under water you've filled into a hole he's dug
to break dogs of digging.
I guess boob's student's only learned the jerking and
choking from him...
Your pal boob had been begging his ''teacher'' cap'n
faggotty to debate me here, and smarten me up. He
sent his little girl to write me a threatening letter
saying she'd sue me if I told the truth here...
Then, your pal boob suggested there would be a
motorcycle gang paying me a little visit... Do you ride,
lyindoc? I may be able to get you a good deal on some
dead bikers machines.
Then your pal boob told me on the phone he'd endorse my
methods if I'd just lay off you bums. "I'm only trying to make a
living" he said to me. I told him if he posted excellent advice
above criticism, he'd get no criticism from me.
That's when he started telling people I'm a wanted child molestor,
PROFESSOR.
> Cindy Tittle Moore,
A true sadist. She gets pleasure for dominating and
hurting dogs. Read her forced fetch page, that will show you
HOWE excited she gets just at the thought of hurting dogs.
Did you see my STAY-OUT-OF-JAIL CHALLENGE to cindymoron?
Here's the deal... We get her to force fetch train three
dogs in front of a childs playground, and I'll train
three protection dogs in the same site, and we'll see
who the children are disturbed by, and who the
parents are going to call the cops on... And then I'll
show up as expert witness for the prosecution, and
we'll demonstrate her forced fetch in front of a
criminal judge and jury... HOWE'S that for a FAIR
TEST???
And now cindy has passed her shock collar training with freaky
frantik fraudreck. That means she's qualified to accept my dual
shock collar challenge, professor. Woudn't that be refreshing,
to finally prove humane shock collar training? Let's see HOWE
fast she demonstrates her mastery of the gentle, medical grade
static like stimulation.
> Denna Pace,
Says she sees a lot of value in koehler... She's got PLENTY
of problems with her own dogs running away and being
disobedient.
> John Richardson,
He only hurts dogs to save them from the needle.
He's as abusive and immature as they come. He's a
clone of dogman. The dogs he can't hurt into being
friendly, he KILLS in the shelter he HELPS in. Unlike
yourself, he's too stupid to be evil. He's just doing
what koehler taught him.
> Ludwig Smith,
Another koehler trainer. He's too cowardly to come
out and say what he believes. He throws around lots
of non advice, and then tells us we can get more help
in koehler's books. He's got a link to cindymoron's
page on his sig file...
> and Terri Willis.
The psycho clown. She wants to hurt dogs because
she is compensating for her inferiority complex. She WANTS
TO HURT DOGS. Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating
dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro manure."
NEXT POST, we'll talk about YOU, lyindoc dermer.
Let's figure out why your dog masturbates on the couch pillows.
Could it be just a result of punishing his behaviors, or is
it REALLY allelomimetic behavior? Bye!
> Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
> Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
You can get all the information you need to properly handle
and train your dog using non force, non confrontational,
scientific and psychological behavior modification and
conditioning techniques, from the Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual.
"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems
are learned qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the
learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers,
once challenged, develop and continue to grow to
make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition,
constant corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-