Future Scamp 5th wheel Buyers Beware!
Mike Roda
has happened with the last one I will not be owning any more. We started out
with a 16' pull behind several years ago, after being told by Scamp that we
could easily pull the 16 footer with our 93' Nissan 4x4, 5 speed, 1.7 liter
motor. We found one used & purchased it, on the day that we bought the Scamp
there was a very strong head wind hitting us & I could not get the truck up
past 50 mph. We wrote it off as just the very strong head wind, until not
long after this we were going camping & hit a small head wind of about 5
mph. Our Nissan was lugging & grunting for all it could, I told my wife that
we had a major problem. We finally got to the campground & the little motor
was making crackling
noises for the next 30-45 minutes. We decided to trade our truck off & go
with a 2000' Ford Ranger 4x4, 5 speed, 4.0 liter engine. This truck pulled
the 16 footer pretty well. In the Fall my wife & I had spotted a Scamp 5th
wheel at the Scamp dealership, we decided to see if we could trade for it &
we worked out a deal on it. The salesman at Scamp told us that it was too
bad that we traded the Nissan off because it would have easily pulled the
5th wheeler because it was more aerodynamic. The Ranger pulled the 5th wheel
pretty well until one day when we tried too haul a small kayak on top of a
roof rack on our truck. I had to keep looking in the mirrors, because it
felt like there was a big parachute dragging behind the trailer. We had only
traveled maybe 10 miles when we turned around & dropped the kayak back off
at home. We knew that we were pretty close too being maxed out on the motor
again. Definitely too small for traveling West into the Rockies. Then last
Fall we had stopped off at Scamp on the way home from a camping trip, we
took a look at our first Scamp 5th wheel deluxe & loved what we saw. We
decided to trade for the deluxe version, because this was our third Scamp we
knew this time what exactly we wanted done to it when we ordered it. We put
almost every option on it minus the oven & vent hood. We asked Scamp if this
new trailer was going to be much heavier than our previous Scamp & were told
not much & that our truck would have no problem. We picked the new trailer
up on December 10th & everything looked really nice cosmetically. On the way
home we noticed that it definitely pulled harder than the standard Scamp 5th
wheel. Last week we decided to stop over at our local Ford dealer & see what
they had on the lot, we found a really nice 99' F-150 off road, 4x4, 5 speed
manual, 4.6 liter v-8 engine with only 35,000 miles so we bought it. I had
told my wife that this time instead of going up to Scamp & purchasing their
home made way too expensive hitch, that I would put in a goose neck hitch
that we could finally take with us when we sold our truck. Before this we
had to return to Scamp to have one of their hitches built & installed into
each new truck. I started looking every where for one that would work, I
soon discovered that the Scamp does not use a standard goose neck ball
because true goosenecks use a 2 5/16" ball. Now the trouble really became
apparent, because it does not use a standard 5th wheel king pin or a
standard goose neck ball. My dealer searched every avenue that he could
think of & finally came up with nothing. I threw in the white flag & called
Scamp to set up an appointment to get a hitch installed. This is when they
proceeded to inform me that I had a problem because I had purchased a F-150
4x4 & that the trailer was not built for this type of truck. They said that
my brand new trailer would now need 3" of lift added to the frame to get it
too have the clearance needed for the bigger box. I asked them what they
were talking about & they said that my trailer was built for the
Ranger,Dakota size pick up truck. I told them that they had never presented
this question to us when we ordered the new trailer & that if they had we
would have told them that the Ranger was a lease vehicle due up soon & that
we fully intended to purchase a full size pick up truck very soon. After
discussing this with one of the employees first & the discussion getting
quite heated we were finally connected with the owner. It soon became
apparent that we were getting no where with him & that they were in no way
going to fix the trailer for us to make things right. We told him that they
had failed too disclose some very important information to us when we were
placing our order for our new trailer. He basically told us that it was not
his problem & that he did not want to deal with it. We looked at few
options available to us, which were 1.trade our F-150 back into Ford for the
smaller Ranger, 2.trade our brand new never used once Scamp in on a
different trailer or 3.take our Scamp to a welding shop & have them heavily
modify it. We took it over to the local welding shop & showed them our
trailer, they figured it would cost us around $400.00-$450.00 to cut off
the axles & weld in the needed lift then re-weld the axles. I figured as
long as we were at it we might as well cut off their imitation goose neck &
weld on a true king pin so that I could use a real 5th wheel plate &
eliminate the need to go up to Scamp every time we bought a different truck.
We left the trailer at the welding shop & headed home. The more I thought
about it the more I was not sure if we had chosen the right way too solve
this problem. I told my wife that once we altered the frame that the Scamp,
that we probably not be able to ever trade it, in the future. I was also
very worried that if the axles were not re-welded perfectly that the trailer
would be subject to dog tracking. We ended up going to the local trailer
sales place in our town & trading the brand new never even slept in once
trailer in on a real 5th wheel trailer today. Hopefully this will forever
end the night mares I have been having since falling into Scamp Eveland's
web of half truths. I have already contacted my local better business bureau
& the Minnesota State attorney generals office & I am in the process of
filing formal complaints with both of them. We used to have people come up
to our trailer every time we went camping inquiring about our Scamp trailer,
because of what has happened I will never again be able to have
anything good to say about them from now on.
Thank you,
Mike & Mary Roda
St.Cloud, MN
320-656-1667
sca...@astound.net (soon to be changed along with my rather
embarrassing license plate SCAMP-N, possibly considering SCAMMED!
uka...@astound.net new address
R & A
"Mike Roda" <uka...@astound.net> wrote in message
news:a7armo$mms$1...@news.astound.net...
> My wife & I have owned 3 Scamps in the past several years, but after
what
> has happened with the last one I will not be owning any more.
Sorry you've had so many problems with your truck(s), etc., but it
sounds to me as if you've paid too much attention to what the dealers
say and not enough time doing your homework. You probably haven't
even weighed your rig(s) and most likekly don't know what the GCVWR is
for either your truck(s) OR your trailer(s).
Your story is not a warning to others regarding SCAMP, but a
warning to others to be sure and check the weights, tow ratings,
capacities, etc. of any rig they are looking at BEFORE they jump in
head first and make a deal.
Just my opinion. Better luck next time.
--
Ram
RV Safety
www.rvsafety.com
ramandali (at) direcpc.com
Vince Wirth
> We ended up going to the local trailer
>sales place in our town & trading the brand new never even slept in once
>trailer in on a real 5th wheel trailer today. Hopefully this will forever
>end the night mares I have been having since falling into Scamp Eveland's
>web of half truths.
Mike,
What are you going to do when you find that the F 150 is too small
to pull your new rig?
Vince Wirth
http://home.earthlink.net/~vincewirth
David Osborn
>My wife & I have owned 3 Scamps in the past several years, but after what
>has happened with the last one I will not be owning any more. We started out
>with a 16' pull behind several years ago, after being told by Scamp that we
>could easily pull the 16 footer with our 93' Nissan 4x4, 5 speed, 1.7 liter
>motor.
Why did you believe the dealer? The truck has towing ratings, and the
trailer's loaded weight could have been measured on a scale. It's not Scamp's
fault that you didn't do your homework.
>We decided to trade our truck off & go
>with a 2000' Ford Ranger 4x4, 5 speed, 4.0 liter engine. This truck pulled
>the 16 footer pretty well. In the Fall my wife & I had spotted a Scamp 5th
>wheel at the Scamp dealership, we decided to see if we could trade for it &
>we worked out a deal on it. The salesman at Scamp told us that it was too
>bad that we traded the Nissan off because it would have easily pulled the
>5th wheeler because it was more aerodynamic.
Why did you believe the dealer -- again?
>Last week we decided to stop over at our local Ford dealer & see what
>they had on the lot, we found a really nice 99' F-150 off road, 4x4, 5 speed
>manual, 4.6 liter v-8 engine with only 35,000 miles so we bought it.
>They [Scamp] said that
>my brand new trailer would now need 3" of lift added to the frame to get it
>too have the clearance needed for the bigger box.
>We ended up going to the local trailer
>sales place in our town & trading the brand new never even slept in once
>trailer in on a real 5th wheel trailer today. Hopefully this will forever
>end the night mares I have been having since falling into Scamp Eveland's
>web of half truths.
>I have already contacted my local better business bureau
>& the Minnesota State attorney generals office & I am in the process of
>filing formal complaints with both of them. We used to have people come up
>to our trailer every time we went camping inquiring about our Scamp trailer,
>because of what has happened I will never again be able to have
>anything good to say about them from now on.
If *you* don't ask the right questions *before* you make your purchases, then
you have *nobody* but yourself to blame. I'm sorry that you're frustrated, but
it is *not* Scamp's fault that you are. The true responsibility for your
frustration rests only with you.
--
David, N8DO; FMCA 147762
djosborn at aol dot com
Steven W. Dawson
Let me see if I have this correct.
You first had a baby pick up that would be doing good to haul itself around and
go out and buy a trailer based on the dealer's word that you could easily pull
it.
Then you finally get wise that maybe you need a little more truck and buy
another baby pick up that actually can get itself and the trailer moving at the
same time to your liking. But, no you're not happy, you again take the word of
the salesperson and buy a bigger trailer and find out that you don't have
anywhere enough truck to pull it.
So now you go in and order a bigger trailer and ask the dealer if you can pull
it with your same truck and of course he tells you yes, cause he want's to sell
you the trailer. And what do you find out, yep you don't have enough truck. So
now you go in and and find a "really nice" F-150 and buy it.
Now you find out that the 4x4 F-150 sits higher than the trailer will allow and
you have to spend more money to remedy that problem. So you go and dump on the
dealer. He basically tells you that he couldn't read you mind that you would go
out and buy a different truck and that it is your problem. Now you're off to
complain to the world.
Well..........
Seems to me the old saying, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on
me" has a lot of value here. You took the word of the dealer twice and found out
that they were wrong. If you had done some reasonable investigation into the
towing capacities of the trucks you had the first two times and the trailer
weights you probably would have found that you shouldn't have tried towing what
you had with either. Same goes for the third time. And then when you decide to
get a different truck, you go to the dealer lot to "see what they had on the
lot". Did you even think to measure the height of the front of the trailer?
Seems that would be the least I would do. That plus doing my homework to ensure
that I knew how much the trailer weighed to ensure that I didn't exceed the
GCVWR or the GVWR of the truck. But, sense you didn't do your homework it's
someone else's fault. Give me a break!
As has been said on this group by many people and in many threads, know what
you're pulling and what you're pulling it with. Match them up and life will be
fantastic, but don't match them and you'll have problems. This is a prime
example ot that. And on top of all this you don't seem to think that any of this
is your fault, but rather entirely the dealer's fault. Grow up!
And yes I sound a little harsh, (well maybe a lot) but if you don't put a little
thought into something you do and it turns out bad, it's my belief that it's no
one's fault but yours.
Steve Dawson
sp...@earthlink.net
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> Thank you,
> Mike & Mary Roda
> St.Cloud, MN
>
Address and phone number snipped
Chris Bryant
One thing that people need to remember in this tale is that I
believe that Scamp is sold factory direct only- and that stupid things
that a typical dealer would say might not be expected from the
manufacturer.
Just an explanation of sorts.
--
Chris Bryant
Bryant RV Services- http://www.bryantrv.com
Phread Barnz
> has happened with the last one I will not be owning any more. We started
out
> with a 16' pull behind several years ago, after being told by Scamp that
we
> could easily pull the 16 footer with our 93' Nissan 4x4, 5 speed, 1.7
liter
> motor.
Told by whom? The dealer wanting to make a sale, or by the truck mfg?
> We found one used & purchased it, on the day that we bought the Scamp
> there was a very strong head wind hitting us & I could not get the truck
up
> past 50 mph. We wrote it off as just the very strong head wind, until not
> long after this we were going camping & hit a small head wind of about 5
> mph. Our Nissan was lugging & grunting for all it could, I told my wife
that
> we had a major problem. We finally got to the campground & the little
motor
> was making crackling noises for the next 30-45 minutes.
Did you ever weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> We decided to trade our truck off & go
> with a 2000' Ford Ranger 4x4, 5 speed, 4.0 liter engine. This truck pulled
> the 16 footer pretty well.
Did you ever weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> In the Fall my wife & I had spotted a Scamp 5th
> wheel at the Scamp dealership, we decided to see if we could trade for it
&
> we worked out a deal on it. The salesman at Scamp told us that it was too
> bad that we traded the Nissan off because it would have easily pulled the
> 5th wheeler because it was more aerodynamic.
Again, the trailer dealer who wants to make a sale? And why would your
Nissan pull a heavier rig with less stress? Did you not notice the red
flags?
> The Ranger pulled the 5th wheel
> pretty well until one day when we tried too haul a small kayak on top of a
> roof rack on our truck.
Did you ever weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> I had to keep looking in the mirrors, because it
> felt like there was a big parachute dragging behind the trailer. We had
only
> traveled maybe 10 miles when we turned around & dropped the kayak back off
> at home. We knew that we were pretty close too being maxed out on the
motor
> again. Definitely too small for traveling West into the Rockies.
Did you ever weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> Then last
> Fall we had stopped off at Scamp on the way home from a camping trip, we
> took a look at our first Scamp 5th wheel deluxe & loved what we saw. We
> decided to trade for the deluxe version, because this was our third Scamp
we
> knew this time what exactly we wanted done to it when we ordered it. We
put
> almost every option on it minus the oven & vent hood.
So you knowingly added almost as much weight as possible. Did you ever
weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> We asked Scamp if this
> new trailer was going to be much heavier than our previous Scamp & were
told
> not much & that our truck would have no problem.
Told by the dealer wanting to make a sale or by the truck mfg?
> We picked the new trailer
> up on December 10th & everything looked really nice cosmetically. On the
way
> home we noticed that it definitely pulled harder than the standard Scamp
5th
> wheel.
Did you ever weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> Last week we decided to stop over at our local Ford dealer & see what
> they had on the lot, we found a really nice 99' F-150 off road, 4x4, 5
speed
> manual, 4.6 liter v-8 engine with only 35,000 miles so we bought it. I had
> told my wife that this time instead of going up to Scamp & purchasing
their
> home made way too expensive hitch, that I would put in a goose neck hitch
> that we could finally take with us when we sold our truck. Before this we
> had to return to Scamp to have one of their hitches built & installed into
> each new truck.
You couldn't remove the old hitch and install it into your new vehicles?
> I started looking every where for one that would work, I
> soon discovered that the Scamp does not use a standard goose neck ball
> because true goosenecks use a 2 5/16" ball. Now the trouble really
became
> apparent, because it does not use a standard 5th wheel king pin or a
> standard goose neck ball.
Sort of like AOhelL's proprietry email software - but don't get me started
on that.
>My dealer searched every avenue that he could
> think of & finally came up with nothing. I threw in the white flag &
called
> Scamp to set up an appointment to get a hitch installed.
The truck dealer couldn't remove the one from your trade in?
> This is when they
> proceeded to inform me that I had a problem because I had purchased a
F-150
> 4x4 & that the trailer was not built for this type of truck. They said
that
> my brand new trailer would now need 3" of lift added to the frame to get
it
> too have the clearance needed for the bigger box. I asked them what they
> were talking about & they said that my trailer was built for the
> Ranger,Dakota size pick up truck. I told them that they had never
presented
> this question to us when we ordered the new trailer & that if they had we
> would have told them that the Ranger was a lease vehicle due up soon &
that
> we fully intended to purchase a full size pick up truck very soon.
So you drove into the trailer dealer's lot in a truck that the dealer
assumes you are going to use (since you are trading in an exisiting trailer)
and they don't tell you all of the vehicles that you CAN'T use to pull this
new rig? Isn't that sort of like asking Ford for a list of all of the tires
that WON'T fit on their vehicles? Did you ASK whether you can use any other
vehicles to pull this new deluxe (never weighed) rig?
> After
> discussing this with one of the employees first & the discussion getting
> quite heated we were finally connected with the owner. It soon became
> apparent that we were getting no where with him & that they were in no way
> going to fix the trailer for us to make things right.
Make things right? For your obvious lack of preparedness? For your lack of
asking basic questions?
> We told him that they
> had failed too disclose some very important information to us when we were
> placing our order for our new trailer.
Did you disclose your intent to purchase a bigger truck? Did you disclose
your failure to weigh and check tow ratings on any other tow vehicle that
you have owned? Did you disclose the fact that you believed everything you
were told by a dealer trying to make a sale?
> He basically told us that it was not
> his problem & that he did not want to deal with it. We looked at few
> options available to us, which were 1.trade our F-150 back into Ford for
the
> smaller Ranger, 2.trade our brand new never used once Scamp in on a
> different trailer or 3.take our Scamp to a welding shop & have them
heavily
> modify it. We took it over to the local welding shop & showed them our
> trailer, they figured it would cost us around $400.00-$450.00 to cut off
> the axles & weld in the needed lift then re-weld the axles. I figured as
> long as we were at it we might as well cut off their imitation goose neck
&
> weld on a true king pin so that I could use a real 5th wheel plate &
> eliminate the need to go up to Scamp every time we bought a different
truck.
Because you can't remove a hitch once it's installed?
> We left the trailer at the welding shop & headed home. The more I thought
> about it the more I was not sure if we had chosen the right way too solve
> this problem. I told my wife that once we altered the frame that the
Scamp,
> that we probably not be able to ever trade it, in the future. I was also
> very worried that if the axles were not re-welded perfectly that the
trailer
> would be subject to dog tracking. We ended up going to the local trailer
> sales place in our town & trading the brand new never even slept in once
> trailer in on a real 5th wheel trailer today.
Did you ever weigh the rig? Check the weight ratings of the tow vehicle?
> Hopefully this will forever
> end the night mares I have been having since falling into Scamp Eveland's
> web of half truths.
Did the salesman you bought your new 5ver open his mouth before you
purchased it 'today'? Did everything he tell you end up in writing? Do
both you and the dealer have copies of all signed documents?
> I have already contacted my local better business bureau
> & the Minnesota State attorney generals office & I am in the process of
> filing formal complaints with both of them.
Plase let us know what the Minnesota State attorney generals office has to
say after this is settled. I'd be interested in all of the details. How
dare a dealer make a buyer be responsible for the buyer's actions!
> We used to have people come up
> to our trailer every time we went camping inquiring about our Scamp
trailer,
> because of what has happened I will never again be able to have
> anything good to say about them from now on.
Because you failed to take the necessary steps in researching a major
purchase? Because you believed what the salesman (who is trying to make a
sale) told you?
>
> Thank you,
> Mike & Mary Roda
> St.Cloud, MN
> 320-656-1667
> sca...@astound.net (soon to be changed along with my rather
> embarrassing license plate SCAMP-N, possibly considering SCAMMED!
How exactly was it you were scammed? The dealer/owner of scamp sold you a
trailer. You apparently took it on good faith that your tow vehicle would
tow it. Had you weighed everything PRIOR to signing on the dotted line,
then you probably wouldn't be this upset.
--
TravlinTim (who likes to ask questions) Hansen
phrea...@iwon.com
Phread Barnz
"Chris Bryant" <Bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:fn1i9ukqj5mkl4uik...@4ax.com...
Don't want to disagree with Mr. Bryant, but just cuz it's the manufacturer,
they still want to sell trailers and if they have a 'sales staff' then they
are subject to all known problems of "a typical dealer" and the stupid
things that are told to buyers.
--
TravlinTim (respectfully) Hansen
phrea...@iwon.com
che...@high.noon
to a truck that was too big for the trailer.
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:33:28 -0600, "Mike Roda" <uka...@astound.net>
wrote:
>My wife & I have owned 3 Scamps in the past several years, but after what
MVolz
ignorance.
Marv
DSulli8855
Pete Dumbleton
ignorant buyer". Altho I really would expect more from Scamp on the
original transaction and trucklet, being the manufacturer, the
ultimate responsibility lies with the buyer/owner. If a kayak on the
roof makes a big difference, one is waaay too close to the edge!
Caveat Emptor! (I think that means "Pick the customer's pockets", but
maybe not...).
Not knocking the product (I fulltime in a 13' Scamp), but the major
draw to Scamp and Casita is the advertised light weight of the
smallest model; both companies show that weight as 950 lbs "before
options". Loaded with all my stuf, plus battery and propane (options)
mine currently weighs more like 1,700 lbs and is certainly noticable
behind my D150 with Slant Six (225ci). I don't have a/c, or a fridge,
or extra overhead cabinets or gray water tank (and Casita makes a 13'
with full bath and hot water heater). I'd wager neither company sells
many, if any, that only weigh 950 lbs going out the door.
MVolz <mv...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<3C99E7A4...@houston.rr.com>...
> This troll? doesn't compute. Can't imagine anyone sharing his complete
> ignorance.
>
> Marv
>
> Mike Roda wrote:
>
> > My wife & I have owned 3 Scamps in the past several years, but after what
> > has happened with the last one I will not be owning any more. We started out
> > with a 16' pull behind several years ago, after being told by Scamp that we
> > could easily pull the 16 footer with our 93' Nissan 4x4, 5 speed, 1.7 liter
> > motor. We found one used & purchased it, on the day that we bought the Scamp
> > there was a very strong head wind hitting us & I could not get the truck up
Long sad story snipped
Paul
Musta been someone with to much time on his or her hands sat back and
thought it up.
"MVolz" <mv...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3C99E7A4...@houston.rr.com...
GBinNC
wrote:
>I've been following this thread and I can't believe this guy is for real.
>Musta been someone with to much time on his or her hands sat back and
>thought it up.
The fact that you posted the whole thing again causes me to wonder if
you didn't secretly admire something about it. I mean, why else?
(Learn to snip, people. It's not that hard...)
GB in NC
phreadbarnz
news:9kqm9u43c32rkdtlo...@4ax.com...
> (Learn to snip, people. It's not that hard...)
Ask the Jewish doctor who did circumcisions for free.....
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
He just kept the tips
<rimshot>
GBinNC
<phrea...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"GBinNC" wrote:
>> (Learn to snip, people. It's not that hard...)
>Ask the Jewish doctor who did circumcisions for free.....
>.
>He just kept the tips
Okay, Tim, you've given me no choice but to quote my favorite
classified ad:
Wanted, assistant in circumcision ward. Forty skins a week and a
chance to get a head.
GB in NC
HHamp5246
<GBi...@yahoooo.com> writes:
>Okay, Tim, you've given me no choice but to quote my favorite
>classified ad:
My favorite ever was:
Help wanted, blowing insulation installers.
It was in the Norwalk Hour (Connecticut) many years ago.
Hunter
GBinNC
wrote:
>My favorite ever was:
>
>Help wanted, blowing insulation installers.
>
>It was in the Norwalk Hour (Connecticut) many years ago.
LOL.
Wonder if they got any applicantth?
GB in NC
dapper_dave
GBinNC <GBi...@yahoooo.com> wrote:
>Okay, Tim, you've given me no choice but to quote my favorite
>classified ad:
>
>Wanted, assistant in circumcision ward. Forty skins a week and a
>chance to get a head.
--------------
Dapper Dave
expur...@hotmail.com
No Spam
|
| Canoli
Just so it's long enough to please myself. <grin>
Will Sill
rant blaming Scamp for their own ill-informed decisions. I will not
re-post as much as a word from it, but suggest that anyone who missed
it but who is planning to buy ANY rv go back and look it over to see
who is REALLY to blame for their troubles. Draw your own conclusions.
Mine is that Scamp is NOT at fault.
Will KD3XR
Pete Dumbleton
A friend just sent me the following:
The New IRS Auditor
---------------------------
A young hotshot gets a job with the IRS as a field auditor. His first
assignment is to audit an old Rabbi.
He thinks he'll have a little fun with the old Rabbi, so he asks,
"Rabbi,
what do you do with the drippings from the candles?"
The Rabbi answers, "We send them to the candle factory, and every once
in a
while they send us some free candles."
The kid then asks, "And what do you do with the crumbs from your
table?"
The Rabbi repli, "We send them to the matzoh ball factory, and every
once in
a while they send us a free box of matzoh balls."
The kid finally asks, "And what do you do with the foreskins from your
circumcisions?"
The Rabbi replies, "We send them to the IRS, and every once in a while
they
send us a little prick like you!"
************
easta...@gmail.com
Technobarbarian
<easta...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> dealer because he didn't tell them not to put gas in the diesel
> tank...people like this make running a business a miserable experience.
long sad tale of woe that was posted here 13 years ago. Old timers will
remember most of the people who posted replies to this post. Some of them
are still with us.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.outdoors.rv-travel/zeOMHnzcIes
I'm enjoying these flashes from the past, but I would still love to see
the look on the faces of people who find some of the stranger stuff that has
been posted here over the years. Kinda' a shame we haven't gotten any
responses to that stuff--yet. LOL
richard
> Bet they got a bigger camper and decided the needed an f350 and sued the dealer because he didn't tell them not to put gas in the diesel tank...people like this make running a business a miserable experience.
that reads "Diesel fuel only" just at the tank input hole.
It's the dumbass morons who can't read who do the suing.
BTW, this really is an old old old old joke.
Kindly fix your word wrap.
knutedu...@gmail.com
Technobarbarian
<knutedu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hopefully Mr. Heise read this one. We used to get posts like this all the
time from people who had been told by dealers that some ridiculous
combination of vehicle and trailer would work just fine. While Mr. Roda's
problems with the hitch were a bit unusual dealers who will say anything to
make a sale are not.
Theodore Heise
Technobarbarian <Technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
><knutedu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5fe396c5-916b-463d...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-4, Mike Roda wrote:
>>> My wife & I have owned 3 Scamps in the past several years, but
>>> after what has happened with the last one I will not be owning
>>> any more. We started out with a 16' pull behind several years
>>> ago, after being told by Scamp that we could easily pull the
>>> 16 footer with our 93' Nissan 4x4, 5 speed, 1.7 liter motor.
>>> We found one used & purchased it, on the day that we bought
>>> the Scamp there was a very strong head wind hitting us & I
>>> could not get the truck up past 50 mph. We wrote it off as
>>> just the very strong head wind, until not long after this we
>>> were going camping & hit a small head wind of about 5 mph. Our
>>> Nissan was lugging & grunting for all it could, I told my wife
>>> that we had a major problem. We finally got to the campground
>>> & the little motor was making crackling noises for the next
>> Sounds like a 'First World Problem,' i.e., white privilege more
>> money than brains. Turn the suckers over, year after year. boo
>> hoo
>
> Maybe some good can come out of your troll of a 14 year
> old post. Hopefully Mr. Heise read this one. We used to get
> posts like this all the time from people who had been told by
> dealers that some ridiculous combination of vehicle and trailer
> would work just fine. While Mr. Roda's problems with the hitch
> were a bit unusual dealers who will say anything to make a sale
> are not.
skeptical of what salesmen tell me.
--
Theodore (Ted) Heise <th...@heise.nu> Bloomington, IN, USA
laurale...@gmail.com
I sure wouldn't want this to happen to me.
That's all I know.
It's pretty hard to know what to buy. And you'd think these people would have told the salesperson of their problems...and the salesperson would have really helped them with the info they did not understand about matching up the rig. Because they needed the help.
nothermark
wilma...@gmail.com
> My wife & I have owned 3 Scamps in the past several years, but after what
> has happened with the last one I will not be owning any more. We started out
> with a 16' pull behind several years ago, after being told by Scamp that we
> could easily pull the 16 footer with our 93' Nissan 4x4, 5 speed, 1.7 liter
> motor. We found one used & purchased it, on the day that we bought the Scamp
> there was a very strong head wind hitting us & I could not get the truck up
> past 50 mph. We wrote it off as just the very strong head wind, until not
> long after this we were going camping & hit a small head wind of about 5
> mph. Our Nissan was lugging & grunting for all it could, I told my wife that
> we had a major problem. We finally got to the campground & the little motor
> was making crackling
is what the heck did this person research, nothing???
vito
>On Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 4:33:28 PM UTC-4, Mike Roda wrote:
>this has little to do with the Rv , the owner didn't once mention Pin weight, GVWR, GCWR, Curb weight, hitch weight, the first thought
> is what the heck did this person research, nothing???
in '02. (read with Norwegian accent)
marke...@gmail.com
Question: What is the difference between a politician, car dealer, RV dealer and a hooker?
Answer: The hooker is the only one honest enough to tell you up front, you're going to get screwed and pay for it.
