Living in RV on private land in FL
HHamp5246
My friend wants to buy about 5-10 acres here in North Central Florida, and liv
on it in her fifth wheel, but it seems that it's illegal to do that at least
here in Marion County .
Anyone know of a place in NC FL where she could do that?
I'm not sure why it;s okay for mobile homes and not fivers.....
Hunter
Guess Who?
I can't understand why she couldn't live in her fiver on 5-10 acres?
Anything would have to have a septic system, and a well.
If she's never going to move the RV, I can't figure out why anyone
would want to live in one, except for you, & Bob G.. But you sold,
and Bob says he's going to, so that would be only temporary....
Can't she use an RV, until construction is completed, or is there a
deadline on how long a building permit, for a house, or mobile home can
take until finished?
There must be more to the story....
Don
Lone Haranguer
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20031209223417...@mb-m07.aol.com...
> I have a question I'm not sure where to get the answer.
>
> My friend wants to buy about 5-10 acres here in North Central Florida, and
liv
> on it in her fifth wheel, but it seems that it's illegal to do that at
least
> here in Marion County .
>
> Anyone know of a place in NC FL where she could do that?
>
> I'm not sure why it;s okay for mobile homes and not fivers.....
>
> Hunter
>
zoning laws have loopholes that lawyers know about or can find.
LZ
>
> http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
HHamp5246
DonLa...@webtv.net (Guess Who?) writes:
> I can't understand why she couldn't live in her fiver on 5-10 acres?
I can't either... but the zoning laws are in place.
< Can't she use an RV, until construction is completed, or is there a
deadline on how long a building permit, for a house, or mobile home can
take until finished?>
Yes, but she doesn't want to build a house...she wants to stay in the fiver. I
think you have one year to live in the trailer...
jj_...@bellsouth.net
I think your friend has similar zoning to what we have in the Conch Republic,,,
Between the building dept: good bureaucrats,,
The Tourist Industry: they want the profit and loose when you live at home,,
& FEMA: trying to make life miserable for All,,, in the guise of hurricane protection,,
We have multiple "residential" areas:
Single Family Homes = trailer storage only, 35ft behind fence,, over 35ft must have barn,,, no live
ins, but you can hook,, for recharging and dumping
Mobil Parks = short term rv's, KOA type, must leave if a storm is coming
Trailer Parks = long term rv's, you still need a license plate,, but may be perminate,, with
hurricane protection.
Manufactured(Mobel) Homes = perminate, no axle's, bolted down for hurricanes,, built on stilts above
your flood level.
.0002$CR worth..
Jim
An Old Parrot Head,
In the Conch Republic,
Just South of Reality
Peter T. Arnold
wrote:
>In article <24721-3FD...@storefull-2175.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
>DonLa...@webtv.net (Guess Who?) writes:
>
>> I can't understand why she couldn't live in her fiver on 5-10 acres?
>
>I can't either... but the zoning laws are in place.
>
<<PUTING ON FLAME PROOF DRAWERS>>
OK, so I build a 4,000 square foot home on a piece of property and you
are determined to live next to me in an RV.
No matter how you color it, you are going to hurt me. My property
will be devalued through your actions. Why would you want to do that?
The only defense I have against you is to live in an area where the
zoning laws protect me from your actions. Don't be surprised when I
complain to the enforcement authority, why should I take a loss?
That being said, stupid me if I build that home in an inappropriate
area, I have a friend who bought adjacent to commercial land, a few
years later his home became almost uninhabitable as a McBurger was
built on his property line.
Peter & Anne-Marie Arnold
Windsor, CT
'95 F250 W/PSD {156 Kmi}
31 Ft Prowler Fifth Wheel
NCT # 13390, The Masonic Campers
JS
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20031209223417...@mb-m07.aol.com...
If the property is zoned either Ag or Ag/Res and has a current
agricultural exemption, you can apply for a permit to place a security
trailer on the property. You must however have full hookups and an
approved septic system in place. The easiest way to qualify for the
exemption
JS
"Guess Who?" <DonLa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:24721-3FD...@storefull-2175.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Generally, you can use a mobil home of any type or an RV while building.
To do this, you must have submitted plans and have received a building
permit. You are given 2 years to complete the building. Progress and
inspections must be done every so often. If there are no inspections
completed, your permit may expire. If the two year time limit runs out,
you may apply for an extension of up to a year but considerable progress
must have been made on the home being built. The definition of
"Considerable Progress" is not etched in stone. Odds are good that once
the trailer is legally placed on the property, nobody will ever check on
it again. Allowing it to remain without a permit would be considered a
code violation and could subject the owner to fines of up to $250/day.
BUT, code enforcement is a department that is complaint driven. An
inspector will not just come on your property and cite you unless
someone has filed a complaint. Accordingly, you might live there for
many years without harassment or until you piss off one of your
neighbors.
HHamp5246
>are determined to live next to me in an RV.
>
>No matter how you color it, you are going to hurt me. My property
>will be devalued through your actions.
First of all, it's not me. Second of all... Windsor CT is quite different from
the country here where many people are living in ramshackle single wides... I
mean ramshackle.
The fiver in question would improve the neighborhood, not hurt it. If you
built a 4,000 sf house in an area like that you would be nuts.
I used to live in Greenwich, CT so I know where you're coming from but believe
it or not there are actually poor people in this world and they have to live in
what they can afford.
I'm talking 10-15 acres in the middle of no where in Florida......
Ramshackle single wides are okay.... but not a nice brand new fiver. She wants
to build a horse barn, wood horse fencing and put the fiver way back off the
road....
HHamp5246
>agricultural exemption, you can apply for a permit to place a security
>trailer on the property. You must however have full hookups and an
>approved septic system in place. The easiest way to qualify for the
>exemption
Oh my, this is interesting...... I'll look into it.
Thanks so much.
HHamp5246
>the trailer is legally placed on the property, nobody will ever check on
>it again.
Interesting.... two great responses in a row... I'll forward them to her.
Thanks
Larry Hazel
>
> Ramshackle single wides are okay.... but not a nice brand new fiver. She wants
> to build a horse barn, wood horse fencing and put the fiver way back off the
> road....
>
How about building the barn just a little bit bigger and put the fiver
inside.
Guess Who?
Thanks for explaining just why you "Jones's" are so hard to keep up
with!
I imagine using my "Okiemobile" on YOUR roads might not make your '95
F250 look so good either.....
Poor folks have to begin somewhere. How are any young people going to
get a start in life, with guys like you calling the law on them?
The other poster explained ways of ignoring dumbass rules better than I
could. I just hope Hunter's pal doesn't have "helpful" neighbors like
you to deal with....
Don
Charles Quinn
>>If the property is zoned either Ag or Ag/Res and has a current
>>agricultural exemption, you can apply for a permit to place a security
>>trailer on the property. You must however have full hookups and an
>>approved septic system in place. The easiest way to qualify for the
>>exemption
>
>Oh my, this is interesting...... I'll look into it.
>
>Thanks so much.
>
Build a metal building that can house the trailer. Then live in the trailer.
Out of sight out of mind.
--
Charles
The significant problems we face cannot be solved
at the same level of thinking we were at when we
created them. Albert Einstein
JohnQ.Public
>wants
>to build a horse barn, wood horse fencing and put the fiver way back off the
>road....
>
>Hunter
>http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
build the horse barn bigger and park the fiver inside. Who is gonna say what
you can do in your barn?
MLM
Gene Dunn
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
>snipped<
>
> Ramshackle single wides are okay.... but not a nice >brand new fiver. She
wants to build a horse barn, wood >horse fencing and put the fiver way back
off the road....
>
> Hunter
> http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
Camouflage! Put a cheap ramshackle single wide on the property and "store"
the fiver next to it (sharing the W/E/S of course). Who's to know where you
hang your knickers at night? Plus, the single wide could make a decent tack
room or storage shed ;)
RVC
RVC, USMC
"Will Sill" <wi...@epix.net> wrote in message
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> In my opinion, hham...@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246) and a bunch of
> other peopole participating in this dumbass thread are wasting
> valuaba;le keystgrokes:
>
>
> >Ramshackle single wides are okay.... but not a nice brand new fiver. She
wants
> >to build a horse barn, wood horse fencing and put the fiver way back off
the
> >road....
>
> Don't imagine that every reader gives two hoots about the zoning regs
> in the Hanging Chad State. It is worth noting that nobody here has
> the power to over-ride the rules in a particular state/county/village,
> and very few even know what the rules are for where THEY live! Egad.
>
> If people would take the trouble to at least READ the zoning and
> related community ordinances, not to mention deed restrictions, they'd
> make smarter decisions to begin with. Bitching about how the rules
> affect somebody is Dumb! Especialy when those rules and their
> enforcement vary widely from place to place.
>
> Will Sill
> I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.
>
>
HDinNY
> In my opinion, hham...@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246) and a bunch of
> other peopole participating in this dumbass thread are wasting
> valuaba;le keystgrokes:
>
>
>
>>Ramshackle single wides are okay.... but not a nice brand new fiver. She wants
>>to build a horse barn, wood horse fencing and put the fiver way back off the
>>road....
>
>
> Don't imagine that every reader gives two hoots about the zoning regs
> in the Hanging Chad State. It is worth noting that nobody here has
> the power to over-ride the rules in a particular state/county/village,
> and very few even know what the rules are for where THEY live! Egad.
>
> If people would take the trouble to at least READ the zoning and
> related community ordinances, not to mention deed restrictions, they'd
> make smarter decisions to begin with. Bitching about how the rules
> affect somebody is Dumb! Especialy when those rules and their
> enforcement vary widely from place to place.
>
> Will Sill
> I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.
>
>
Troll, troll, troll your post,
Dangling the bait,
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Do it till they hate.
HD in NY Elvis has left the building
Alan Balmer
wrote:
>I'm talking 10-15 acres in the middle of no where in Florida......
>
>Ramshackle single wides are okay.... but not a nice brand new fiver. She wants
>to build a horse barn, wood horse fencing and put the fiver way back off the
>road....
>
If she really has a reasonable argument, she can always ask the zoning
board for a variance.
--
Al Balmer
Balmer Consulting
removebalmerc...@att.net
Alan Balmer
>If people would take the trouble to at least READ the zoning and
>related community ordinances, not to mention deed restrictions, they'd
>make smarter decisions to begin with. Bitching about how the rules
>affect somebody is Dumb! Especialy when those rules and their
>enforcement vary widely from place to place.
Agreed. I have never purchased property without obtaining and studying
the zoning regulations and/or CCR's.
SteveB
"RVC" <rvc....@usmc.atlantic.net> wrote in message
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> The "Old Troll" strikes again! Always good for a laugh!
>
> RVC, USMC
And AS usual, comes up with the answer. And AS usual, hears from the peanut
gallery.
Hey Mr. Marine! What would you do if a grunt came up to you and asked you a
stupid question that had a VERY obvious answer? Or an answer you had given
him already? Or an answer that he could find by merely asking the right
person?
I thought so.
Now comes Will, the DI.
WTF is this question even being asked here? Does not this lamebrain know
that the best thing is to go locally and ask where they intend to live? Why
are they seeking answers (sympathy) here? Are they merely looking for ways
to circumvent the laws? What are they going to say when the local
inspectore come out? "My friends on the Internet SAID it was okay."
It is like asking someone the price for gasoline in Houston (the cheapest in
the nation last week) when you live in California (the most expensive in the
nation last week) and then going into the California station and bitching
your fool head off. You are going to look THAT stupid in front of the
Florida gang when you go to plead your case.
Get a grip. If you want to know the law, go to the locals. Firstoff, you
will get a lot less attention if you just go through channels than if a
trailer suddenly appears on property. Secondly, you can intelligently
discuss the thing. The answers you find here, except for the ones from
people who actually live in Florida, are just discussion. Fat chewing.
Ruminating. Flatulence.
Right now, it is ..............
OMIGAWD .............. what do I do? Please tell me. I'm so stupid I can't
do it myself, and have to have someone tell me what to do. (That is unless
I don't like the answer, and then I can call that person names.) My friend
is so stupid SHE doesn't know what to do. We are
helpless....................... help us ................ save us ...........
................
Sheesh. Do it like everyone else does. Or not, and go outside the law and
then write back bitching about all the meanies in Florida who are so stupid
they can't even count holes in paper.
Steve
HHamp5246
Have sent them all to her.....
I thought about building a barn that would house the trailer.... she mentioned
how it would kind of ruin the view out of her windows...<g>
She may have to though....
Personally, I think she's nuts to want to own.... but she has two horses that
she wants to care for herself, and see out the windows etc...
I got over that. I love having the freedom of having my two boarded nearby.
John D.
Don't forget, it's not just "poor young people" dealing with this
issue, it's "poor old people" also...such as those looking for a
cheaper retirement by living in an older but decent-looking RV...on
private property or in a RV park.
But even some RV parks -- forget what you can/can't do on your OWN
property -- don't want older RVs, regardless of how good they look/are
cared for, parked there for long-term (monthly/yearly) stay if they
are "too old." They can't discriminate against a person who on the
basis of age, but SURE CAN discriminate against his/her RV because of
IT'S age!
How many of us "old folks" -- especially those with expensive medical
care/prescription needs (in spite of new legislation on the horizon)
-- can afford new RVs regularly to meet this kind discrimination? Very
few I'm sure, especially older retired people on a small fixed income
(such as SS or a low VA-disability rating for examples). The older
folks driving million-dollar Prevosts are the rare exceptions.
John D.
DonLa...@webtv.net (Guess Who?) wrote in message news:<9006-3FD...@storefull-2176.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
John D.
John D.
blue...@aol.comuwish (JohnQ.Public) wrote in message news:<20031211022522...@mb-m20.aol.com>...
Neon John
>OK, so I build a 4,000 square foot home on a piece of property and you
>are determined to live next to me in an RV.
>
>No matter how you color it, you are going to hurt me. My property
>will be devalued through your actions. Why would you want to do that?
>The only defense I have against you is to live in an area where the
>zoning laws protect me from your actions. Don't be surprised when I
>complain to the enforcement authority, why should I take a loss?
So you think you have the right to control someone else's property, eh? If
you do that with, say, money or a car it's called "theft". If you want to
control what is done with that property then you buy it. That's what I did at
my first house to stop development around it. Oh, but that costs money and,
booo-hooo, you don't want to spend it. You want to take, using the force of
the state if necessary, your neighbor's property rights without paying for
them. I bet you'd howl like a moose with a cob up his *ss if the tables were
turned and your neighbor tried to stop you from doing something you wanted to
do with your property.
You socialist pricks who pull these stunts are the most despicable of
society's parasites because you nibble like termites at the foundations of the
private property rights that are the bedrock of this country. Jefferson wrote
about your type when he described the kings men, sent out to "eat out our
hearts".
I had a neighbor like you in Atlanta. I owned the ranch house of a farm that
was subdivided. I had a 2 acre front yard and about 25 feet on the back.
These yuppie assholes bought a lot across the street and built a $300k house
(Ca residents read: $2 million) in a neighborhood of $60-120k houses. they
started bitching immediately. They didn't like my parking several (good,
running, not junk) cars in my front yard. They sent the zoning nazi out to
threaten me. Bad move.
Rather than be intimidated, I did my research. Then I met 'em on the street
one day and had a chat. I told them that I had discovered some things in my
research. I discovered that the offending regulation only addressed parking
cars on the grass so that I would simply Roundup a strip of grass near the
road across from their house and park my cars in the resulting mud. I also
discovered that my property was grandfathered in the zoning to agricultural.
I therefore planned to put up an electric fence around an area that I allowed
to grow wild as a visual buffer, and put some hogs in there to control the
weeds.
I then told them that, so as not to make them look at my place and I wouldn't
have to look at the hogs, I would construct a fence. I was allowed 8 feet.
Since I didn't want to spend much money I'd be using particle board painted my
favorite color - bright red. And that I'd be using those cheap metal barbed
wire fence poles and simply cable tie the 4X8' sheets up so I could easily
replace them when they came apart.
I then intimated that maybe if they stayed on their side of the road and
minded their own business and kept their noses out of mine, then maybe I'd be
lazy enough not to do anything. That's the way we left it until I sold the
house several years later and escaped that hell-hole. I did manage to plant
some Kudzoo sprigs across the dead end between our properties before I left
:-)
I can only pray that your neighbors are as resourceful.
John
---
John De Armond
johngdDO...@bellsouth.net
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/
Cleveland, Occupied TN
HDinNY
> "RVC" <rvc....@usmc.atlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:x1_Bb.675$MY.5...@monger.newsread.com...
>
>>The "Old Troll" strikes again! Always good for a laugh!
>>
>>RVC, USMC
>
>
> And AS usual, comes up with the answer. And AS usual, hears from the peanut
> gallery.
snipped
How does his trolling post evolve into an answer? Has it
occurred to either of you bozos there may be some Florida
RESIDENTS who had the same situation? Where is it written
anyone is forbidden to post a question? Where is it written
anyone has control over what someone else writes?
As far as I can see, there are two "peanut" galleries. There
seems to be a fence with folks on both sides tossing
horseshit. Neither side, myself included, gets any benefit
from participating in the tossing. It's like a bunch of damn
kids in the yard wrangling over stupid stuff.
I'm reminded of a sermon our minister preached a few weeks
ago. He's about the same age as my wife and me. His point
revolved around how general humor on television had changed.
We went from the humor where the comedian poked fun at
himself to the humor of today where the comedian pokes fun
at everyone but himself.
I see fewer and fewer posts asking for help and more and
more posts skewering somebody. Hope you guys are having fun
because not much of what's been posted lately is funny. I've
met a few of you and what I see in person is not what I see
here. Much as I hate to do it, I think I'm just gonna set up
a bunch of filters. With the new year the trolls are going
to get more vicious, what with the election coming up and all.
We all ought to be ashamed of ourselves, myself included,
for being so bitter toward others. I can picture Jesus
looking on our conversations and asking Himself, "I died for
that?"
HD in NY wishing you all a Merry Christmas
Neon John
wrote:
I know Florida is flat but one can only hope that people there in the country
know the "mountain ways" like they do here. The mountain way of dealing with
a problem neighbor is to warn him once and then to burn him out. Entirely
appropriate, I think.
Alan Balmer
<johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> You want to take, using the force of
>the state if necessary, your neighbor's property rights without paying for
>them.
An odd view of zoning laws. In fact, when you buy property, you
acquire only certain rights to that property, and your neighbors have
a perfect right to complain if you overstep those rights.
People buying property have an obligation to find out what they are
buying, including legal restrictions on what they can do with it.
I don't know if it's a general principle (I suspect it is), but I've
never seen zoning laws imposed post facto - when zoning is imposed or
changed, pre-existing uses are grandfathered.
El Alumbrado
news:lshhtvoqunppfcai8...@4ax.com...
>... In fact, when you buy property, you
> acquire only certain rights to that property...
Interesting point. I have spent a good deal of time in Russia, both before
and after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In the mid-90's, folks there
were excited about the idea of "private property". I expressed to some
colleagues that I wished we had private property in the US. They were
confused, seeming to think that we already did. I explained that, no, when
you "bought" your home in the US, you were really just buying the rights to
lease the property from the government. If you ever did not pay your "fee"
(sometimes called "property taxes") a man with a gun would come and through
you out. That is *not* privately-owned property.
El Alumbrado
"Civis Texanus Sum"
HHamp5246
>occurred to either of you bozos there may be some Florida
>RESIDENTS who had the same situation?
HD,
Your choice of course but I suggest you throw the desert rat into your filter.
He's not playing with a full deck, he offers nothing constructive (check his
last 20 inane posts)
he seems to crave Will's approval so much that when Will posts something a
little nasty Steve comes back twice as nasty.... he makes his little jabs then
runs back waiting for his next opportunity. He's happy to ask for help, but
just causes more rancor than not.
A little while back Will snarled at him, which put his panties in such a twist
that he wrote me a lovely letter apologizing for being so mean to me in the
past, I appreciated it and thanked him and all was well... until Will stuck up
for him once then the nastiness toward me got much worse than it had ever been
before.
I wrote him asking him what happened and he told me he was banning my email
address. Since then he's been even nastier.... so into the scumbag filter he
went and life is better now.
If you filter him you'll find it takes away the temptation to snarl back at
him....
Same with the other obvious suspects. Quite a few people kept saying to use
the filter and they were right.
I'm going to miss his raging comeback to this.... Life is good!
Lone Haranguer
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> Personally, I think she's nuts to want to own.... but she has two horses
that
> she wants to care for herself, and see out the windows etc...
>
> I got over that. I love having the freedom of having my two boarded
nearby.
>
illegals in the desert these days. The econuts didn't want them using 4
wheelers and scaring the kangaroo rats or speckled grasshopper or whatever.
LZ
> Hunter
> http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
Lone Haranguer
"HDinNY" <er...@error.com> >
>
> We all ought to be ashamed of ourselves, myself included,
> for being so bitter toward others. I can picture Jesus
> looking on our conversations and asking Himself, "I died for
> that?"
> HD in NY wishing you all a Merry Christmas
>
Here is your Christmas Card. Enjoy!
http://holidays.blastcomm.com/
This Grinch will be on the road next week and too busy to poison your punch.
LZ
Kenn Smith
within 30 miles or so of Ocala and be in Levy or Sumter County and,
maybe, even the SW portion of Alachua County. She might want to check
out their zoning.
SteveB
"HDinNY" <er...@error.com> wrote in message
news:qp3Cb.11447$7p2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
When questions are "What time is the one o'clock bus?", you can expect a
little rancor.
Steve
SteveB
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
Good thing you have learned filtering. Learning is a sign of progress. I
wish you well on your journey. And remember, this journey has begun with
YOU taking that first step. I am proud of you, HUNTER! Maybe one day you
will graduate up the food chain from LIBERAL.
BTW, filtering people who give you real realtime answers is not the
solution. If you don't want the answer, or already know it, why post here?
Approval? Validation? Lack of self esteem? Whatever!
Someone wants to put up a 5er next to a custom home; someone suggests they
hide it in a barn; someone suggests they get a dilapidated single wide tack
house and use THAT as the primary residence?
The ones who suggest they check with the local authorities are attacked?
I must have missed something in the translation.
Steve
HHamp5246
Hi Ken,
That was the reason for my question.... to see if anyone in a surrounding
county was living on land in an RV. I have a friend, who is a
realtor/appraiser on the case now. Seems my friend might be able to do it
after all... the realtor she spoke to might have given her bad information.
As always, appreciate the response.
Hunter
Chris Bryant
> When questions are "What time is the one o'clock bus?", you can expect a
> little rancor.
Of course, a lot of times the one o'clock actually arrives at 1:45- making
the question perfectly valid.
I bet you knew that, though.
--
Chris Bryant
http://bryantrv.com
SteveB
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
>
> That was the reason for my question.... to see if anyone in a surrounding
> county was living on land in an RV. I have a friend, who is a
> realtor/appraiser on the case now. Seems my friend might be able to do it
> after all... the realtor she spoke to might have given her bad
information.
>
> As always, appreciate the response.
>
> Hunter
>
>
Sounds like if you would just let the flowers come up, you would have better
results than pulling on the growing shoots.
FWIW
Steve
Den73740
>Subject: Re: Living in RV on private land in FL
>From: "SteveB"
>Someone wants to put up a 5er next to a custom home; someone suggests they
>hide it in a barn; someone suggests they get a dilapidated single wide tack
>house and use THAT as the primary residence?
>
>The ones who suggest they check with the local authorities are attacked?
>
>I must have missed something in the translation.
>
>Steve
The custom house???
Dennis
HDinNY
snipped
> When questions are "What time is the one o'clock bus?", you can expect a
> little rancor.
>
> Steve
Jesus loves you Steve.
HD in NY
Chris Bryant
<<snip huge pile of dung>>
I wonder what spin the Sill sycophants will put on this latest evacuation
of his brain.
Alan Balmer
Zoning is generally not county-wide, or even town-wide. Going a mile
or two might do it.
Alan Balmer
wrote:
Why is she asking realtors these questions? Go to the town hall. They
can tell her exactly how the property is zoned and give her a copy of
the zoning regulations, probably free or for copying charges.
Lon VanOstran
<el*alum...@yahoo.com> writes:
> I explained that, no, when
>you "bought" your home in the US, you were really just buying the rights to
>lease the property from the government. If you ever did not pay your "fee"
>(sometimes called "property taxes") a man with a gun would come and through
>you out. That is *not* privately-owned property.
>
>El Alumbrado
I have expressed that exact same point several times. Property rights no longer
exist.
Lon
Lon VanOstran
<johngdDO...@bellsouth.net> writes:
Well said, and well done. Few things anoy me more that busybodies who try to
control property they are too damn cheap to buy.
Lon
Alan Balmer
<bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:13:34 +0000, Will Sill wrote:
><<snip huge pile of dung>>
>
>I wonder what spin the Sill sycophants will put on this latest evacuation
>of his brain.
I can usually ignore the anti-Hunter diatribes. I can usually ignore
the anti-Will diatribes, too.
HDinNY
snipped
> Why is she asking realtors these questions? Go to the town hall. They
> can tell her exactly how the property is zoned and give her a copy of
> the zoning regulations, probably free or for copying charges.
I thought of that too Alan. But if you're not sure if
something is restricted, it might not be the best thing to
traipse down to the Town Hall and ask. Realtors would know
more about what squeaks by just inside the law.
HD in NY
HDinNY
Since real estate taxes were "invented" they haven't.
HD in NY
BrentC
wrote:
>On 10 Dec 2003 17:42:09 GMT, hham...@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <24721-3FD...@storefull-2175.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
>>DonLa...@webtv.net (Guess Who?) writes:
>>
>>> I can't understand why she couldn't live in her fiver on 5-10 acres?
>>
>>I can't either... but the zoning laws are in place.
>>
><<PUTING ON FLAME PROOF DRAWERS>>
>
>OK, so I build a 4,000 square foot home on a piece of property and you
>are determined to live next to me in an RV.
>
>No matter how you color it, you are going to hurt me. My property
>will be devalued through your actions. Why would you want to do that?
>The only defense I have against you is to live in an area where the
This is one of my favourite subjects.
If I do something strange on my land, your value goes down.
If I do nothing your value goes up.
You therefore benefit by me doing nothing or maybe benefit more by me
doing something that improves your view etc.
Maybe you should be liable to pay to me a percentage of your gain
because of my actions or inaction??
**************
BrentC
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without the express permission of this poster.
HHamp5246
can...@sbcglobal.netnot writes:
> If she
>>reads this, she will of course be furiously angry, believing she's
>>been insulted again. Not so this time - though Heaven knows she often
>>justifies insult. Just pitied.
>>
>>Will Sill
I'm guessing he's referring to me. My new policy, so as not to be part of this
newsgroup's rapid decline, is to turn the other cheek.
I'm not sure why he pities me... it's funny in a way. I'm living my dream
life. I have my looks, my health, money, a great family, great pets and many
terrific friends. I love fulltiming, love my Airstream, my truck and the
opportunity to travel. I'm fortunate to be living the life that I want and I'm
thankful for it every day.
So, what Will says doesn't matter to me any more than it matters to most of
you.
Have a nice night,
HHamp5246
<alba...@att.net> writes:
>Why is she asking realtors these questions? Go to the town hall. They
>can tell her exactly how the property is zoned and give her a copy of
>the zoning regulations, probably free or for copying charges.
Because she's still in Texas... she's coming here next month. She's been
dealing with realtors looking for land to buy.
I'll go to town hall when I get a chance, good suggestion... thanks.
VW in CA
<bryan...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:13:34 +0000, Will Sill wrote:
><<snip huge pile of dung>>
>
>I wonder what spin the Sill sycophants will put on this latest evacuation
>of his brain.
Chris,
Will is just trying to make points with SteveB
Vince
Alan Balmer
Apparently the first realtor didn't <g>. Anyway, if she intends to
have the trailer regardless of legality, don't ask anyone, not even
us. Just do it.
Anyway, I wouldn't ask them that. Just ask them for a copy of the
zoning regulations. The realtor will know how to find the zoning,
though I wouldn't trust them unless they showed me the map.
SteveB
"VW in CA" <V...@i.Know> wrote in message
news:sr4itv8804sd74hv1...@4ax.com...
The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. YOU even get kudos when you
come up with your occasional snippet of truth.
Steve
SteveB
"Den73740" <den7...@aol.comspamdump> wrote in message
news:20031211182007...@mb-m18.aol.com...
Uh. Neon John's point.
Or countless others in the same situation. A custom house, and here comes a
squatter with no electricity, no water, no septic, and no intent of
installing same.
Steve
SteveB
"Alan Balmer" <alba...@att.net> wrote in message
news:v81itv0hcmquntkpv...@4ax.com...
AHA! We are now getting to the crux of the matter, and that is not truth,
law, or zoning regulations.
Steve
SteveB
> have the trailer regardless of legality, don't ask anyone, not even
> us. Just do it.
>
The flies will be a tipoff, but, hey, until you have flies in your ice cream
on the veranda, who cares?
Steve
SteveB
As you know, and if anyone cares to read carefully, one will realize that
Jesus did not suffer fools lightly.
While I have absolutely no claim to being like Jesus, and I suspect that
others here who do not suffer fools lightly claim that either, you must
admit that even He had limits and spoke out when exasperated.
I know Jesus loves me, but thanks for the laugh and the reminder.
Steve
Kenn Smith
my former secretary and her husband wanted to buy 10 acres in Escambia
county and put their fiver on it they couldn't - anywhere in the county.
They shifted their sights slightly eastward to Okalsoosa County and had
no problem with it - nice layout that I visited last year.
The restrictions may not even come under zoning; maybe something else in
the codes. But, they do exist.
BTW, I hope to call the licensing folks in the next day or so and try of
determine the difference between a Class A license and a Class A CDL
license. From what I've read I suspect that it has to do with taking a
written test on air brakes and a driving test but am not yet sure of
that. I'll let you know.
Lon VanOstran
<bryan...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
>I wonder what spin the Sill sycophants will put on this latest evacuation
>of his brain.
>
>--
>Chris Bryant
Frankly, I'm surprised, given your history of bashing Will, that you hold him
in such high esteem.
New Webster's Dictionary Expanded Edition. 2002 edition.
sycophant: n A servile hanger-on of great people. A parasite.
Lon
Kenn Smith
friend is in Texas doing some long distance shopping through realtors so
that really isn't an option for her. And she may or may not understand
that Realtors and real estate sales people work for the seller, not the
buyer. Thus, whatever information she get needs to be passed through
two or three BS filters.
SteveB
"Lon VanOstran" <rvn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031211210157...@mb-m26.aol.com...
Now, now, Lon. Don't go confusing people with facts.
Steve
El Alumbrado
> I can usually ignore the anti-Hunter diatribes. I can usually ignore
> the anti-Will diatribes, too.
I agree, with the added comment that, based solely on observing their
interactions with other posters herein, I can say that I would probably
enjoy the opportunity to meet Hunter, and would probably not enjoy Will's
company.
That is all.
El Alumbrado
"Civis Texanus Sum"
El Alumbrado
news:20031211200031...@mb-m26.aol.com...
> So, what Will says doesn't matter to me any more than it matters to most
of
> you.
Thatta girl.
GBinNC
<el*alum...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I agree, with the added comment that, based solely on observing their
>interactions with other posters herein, I can say that I would probably
>enjoy the opportunity to meet Hunter, and would probably not enjoy Will's
>company.
As one of the few here who has met both of them, I wholeheartedly
concur with your very perceptive assessment.
Frank Tabor
Smith) wrote:
>BTW, I hope to call the licensing folks in the next day or so and try of
>determine the difference between a Class A license and a Class A CDL
>license. From what I've read I suspect that it has to do with taking a
>written test on air brakes and a driving test but am not yet sure of
>that. I'll let you know.
A class A CDL is for a COMMERCIAL VEHICLE grossing over 26,000 lbs.
COMMERCIAL VEHICLE. One more time, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE. Last time I
looked, a motor home is not a COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
==
Frank Tabor
Kenn Smith
that I was going to check with the folks who know. No reason to get the
pressure up and shout.
Lone Haranguer
Here is the way it works in MN. The state has basic rules concerning
land use. Counties have basic rules that MUST be at least as
restrictive as the state rules but are usually more so.
Townships have their own zoning ordinances and in certain areas (like
wetlands, ponds, public waters, etc.) they default to county, state or
even federal rules.
The average realtor is poorly informed as to zoning laws unless they
took a lengthy formal course to get licensed instead of the crash course
that 99% of them take. Because of the wide variety of zoning laws they
aren't covered in a state test for a realtor's license.
In MN many counties and townships will sock you with a fine for every
day you violated a zoning ordinance. "Ignorance" won't get you off the
hook.
The best bet is to pick up a copy of county AND township (city) zoning
ordinances and let your attorney read them. Any boo-boos now rest on
his shoulders and he is insured for boo-boos. In MN many cities have
jurisdiction for a certain radius outside their city limits, especially
if the township has not addressed zoning close to the city's borders.
I've seen many a pissing contest in these situations.
It will cost you a few bucks to consult an attorney but it is money well
spent. A good real estate broker may give you the correct scoop for
free and a zoning administrator is SUPPOSED to be able to do the same.
If the zoning folks lead you into deep water though, all you'll get is a
shrug of the shoulders, they won't accept any blame.
I've traveled this road a number of times.
LZ
>
Lone Haranguer
In some locales this is changing. In MN the realtor has to be clear who
he is representing and buyers can retain a realtor who represents ONLY
the buyer's interests, even though he/she may share in the commission.
You can scan for them in the real estate ads.
LZ
bill horne
My experience in the past as both a buyer and seller indicates that they
were working for themselves. Although I suppose it could just be
coincidence that when I was a buyer he/she claimed to be "working for my
best interests", and when I was a seller he/she claimed to be "working
for my best interests".
Note: It's been over 25 years since I've dealt with a realtor, so things
could have changed.
--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
bill horne
>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:25:15 -0800, SteveB wrote:
>
> > When questions are "What time is the one o'clock bus?", you can expect a
> > little rancor.
>
> the question perfectly valid.
>
> I bet you knew that, though.
>
> --
> Chris Bryant
> http://bryantrv.com
Valid except when 6 people who each think they're the world's center,
and have each ridden the bus one time in their life state unequivocally
that the bus arrives at:
1:06
1:03
1:12
1:37
1:19
1:26
HDinNY
> In my opinion, Alan Balmer <alba...@att.net> is asking another good
> question:
>
>
>>Why is she asking realtors these questions? Go to the town hall. They
>>can tell her exactly how the property is zoned and give her a copy of
>>the zoning regulations, probably free or for copying charges.
>
>
> A: For the same reason she is cluttering up the NG with trivia: she
> thinks someone in Nevada or Alaska can tell her what the rules are for
> farmland in Gitchyerbuttout County in Floriduh.
>
> Duh.
>
> Will Sill
>
Troll, troll, troll your post,
Dangling the bait,
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Do it till they hate.
HD in NY Merry Christmas Will
Nadyne Nelson
--
Nadyne Nelson
nad...@prospectiveplanning.com
Nadyne Nelson
--
Nadyne Nelson
nad...@prospectiveplanning.com
Nadyne Nelson
they present it.
--
Nadyne Nelson
nad...@prospectiveplanning.com
HHamp5246
> Dangling the bait,
>Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
> Do it till they hate.
>HD in NY Merry Christmas Will
Thanks for quoting his post HD, those of us who have him filtered get to read
him anyway...... )c:
Chris Bryant
OK- now I see what spin they will put on it <g>. Like a puppet on a string.
Chris Bryant
> Valid except when 6 people who each think they're the world's center, and
> have each ridden the bus one time in their life state unequivocally that
> the bus arrives at:
> 1:06
> 1:03
> 1:12
> 1:37
> 1:19
> 1:26
Good point- and of course *I* know that it arrives at 13:23:37 .
Alan Balmer
wrote:
Sorry, you lost me on that one. Sounds like you're insulting someone,
but I don't know who. Is it me?
Lone Haranguer
>>can tell her exactly how the property is zoned and give her a copy of
>>the zoning regulations, probably free or for copying charges.
>
>
> thinks someone in Nevada or Alaska can tell her what the rules are for
> farmland in Gitchyerbuttout County in Floriduh.
>
> Duh.
>
> Will Sill
>
what you don't know, someone else knows.
RORT is a regular encyclopedia of knowledge, both practical and
theoretical. We're a little weak in the theoretical area but we have
the practical pretty well covered.
LZ
Lone Haranguer
Unless things have changed, in Germany the 1 O'clock train will arrive
at PRECISELY 1 O'clock. You can use it to set your watch.
LZ
JohnQ.Public
>>you "bought" your home in the US, you were really just buying the rights to
>>lease the property from the government. If you ever did not pay your "fee"
>>(sometimes called "property taxes") a man with a gun would come and through
>>you out. That is *not* privately-owned property.
>>
>>El Alumbrado
>
>I have expressed that exact same point several times. Property rights no
>longer
>exist.
>
>Lon
>
>
>
>
>
>
Called "rights of recission". Govmnt small print which tells you that you have
no rights to purchased property when the gov decides it's too good for you to
keep. Used for mineral rights, property tax collections etc. Similar to wording
in the fourth ammendmant which states you have the right to life liberty
property etc etc , right to rebel if these rights are ignored, then the
interesting part comes later when they state that all rights are suspended in
time of civil insurection. Oh how they play with your emotions.......
Freedom has yet to exist on this Earth.
MLM
.JIMinMA.
"Nadyne Nelson" <nad...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:p2lCb.9$gk...@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> How can an opinion, especially an untrained one, ever be truth?
dumb luck, reasoning, process of elimination..........................
Guess Who?
pal, if she's still in Texas.....
She's got plenty of time to hash out any "land usage
problems".........
She isn't going to buy "a pig in a poke" - Is she?
Don
Alan Balmer
wrote:
>How can an opinion, especially an untrained one, ever be truth?
There's no law which says that opinions have to be wrong.
bill horne
What? When you see "Will Sill wrote", you don't have the willpower to
move on down without reading what follows?
Oh wait...you have me filtered, too.
WARNING!
Anyone who responds to this, do not include my part, or you will expose
Hunter to something she doesn't want to be exposed to.
bill horne
> Unless things have changed, in Germany the 1 O'clock train will arrive
> at PRECISELY 1 O'clock. You can use it to set your watch.
> LZ
Do you have an 800 number for that train station?
SteveB
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> >Troll, troll, troll your post,
> > Dangling the bait,
> >Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
> > Do it till they hate.
> >HD in NY Merry Christmas Will
>
> Thanks for quoting his post HD, those of us who have him filtered get to
read
> him anyway...... )c:
>
> Hunter
Comb yer hair, people!
<g>
SteveB
"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote in message
news:3FD9FF90...@rye.net...
You are supposing there exists something that she has not been "exposed" to.
Steve
SteveB
Hunter needs to go where hard facts can be found. She is obviously trolling
the newsgroup for sympathy and support, not facts. Were she going for
facts, she, or her friend, would have already been to the proper offices,
have their answers, and be back on the road or proceeding with the project.
STeve
Ed
> Hunter needs to go where hard facts can be found. She is obviously
trolling
> the newsgroup for sympathy and support, not facts. Were she going for
> facts, she, or her friend, would have already been to the proper offices,
> have their answers, and be back on the road or proceeding with the
project.
>
> STeve
Damm but you gotta be tough to post on RORT. Ask a simple question and get
a couple dozen replys with harpoons attached.
Ed
Carl A.
"SteveB" <desert6...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:o0oCb.2863$BQ5.92@fed1read03...
>
>
> Hunter needs to go where hard facts can be found. She is obviously
trolling
> the newsgroup for sympathy and support, not facts. Were she going for
> facts, she, or her friend, would have already been to the proper offices,
> have their answers, and be back on the road or proceeding with the
project.
>
> STeve
I think that you are overstating, and - frankly - are being unnecessarily
rude.
In the five years that I have been posting here, I have more than once found
myself stumped by something I had no idea on how I might approach it. Be it
a computer problem, audio/video challenge, and - believe it or not - an
occasional RV-related matter. Certainly if I had a real estate/zoning
question and no idea whatsoever about where to get help, I would ask here.
I have invariably received helpful answers that steered me in the right
direction. I have also received stupid and useless comments regarding my
ignorance. One considers the source and ignores.
Hunter apparently had a question about zoning laws. I don't think her
initial question was particularly naive or 'daft.' I would have expected
knowledgeable people to suggest sources of information, and some (compulsive
know-it-alls who post for the sake of posting) to narrate irrelevant
anecdotal stories about how to get around the laws, etc.
I don't see a troll for sympathy or support, I saw a valid question for
factual information. Why some NG members need to turn that into an ad
hominem attack is an interesting question to ask. What was it in Hunter's
initial question that compelled some here to post rude responses?
--
Carl A.
Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
Chris Bryant
> Hunter needs to go where hard facts can be found. She is obviously
> trolling the newsgroup for sympathy and support, not facts. Were she
> going for facts, she, or her friend, would have already been to the proper
> offices, have their answers, and be back on the road or proceeding with
> the project.
Other than the "obviously trolling" comment- which is somewhat out of left
field (she's not the one looking at the land, after all)- you could give
the same reply to every single bloody question raised on this newsgroup.
So- after this, whenever anyone asks any question, we can simply reply
with "ask somewhere else, as any information you get here will obviously
be wrong, as some of us don't know the answer (even though with a group
this large, there is a good possibility that someone actually *does* know
the answer- even for Hunter's question).
Paul T.
"Carl A." <cha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:brd58j$23oeg$1...@ID-85585.news.uni-berlin.de...
Snipped
> I don't see a troll for sympathy or support, I saw a valid question
for
> factual information. Why some NG members need to turn that into an
ad
> hominem attack is an interesting question to ask. What was it in
Hunter's
> initial question that compelled some here to post rude responses?
> --
> Carl A.
> Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at
> http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
>
Carl, it appears it is OK for ONLY Sill and Steve to be rude and take
uncalled
for potshots around here. Don't know about Sill, but I think Steve
has been out in
the desert way too long.
Paul
bill horne
> > What? When you see "Will Sill wrote", you don't have the willpower to
> > move on down without reading what follows?
> >
> > Oh wait...you have me filtered, too.
> >
> > WARNING!
> > Anyone who responds to this, do not include my part, or you will expose
> > Hunter to something she doesn't want to be exposed to.
> >
> > --
> > bill
> > Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> You are supposing there exists something that she has not been "exposed" to.
>
> Steve
Nonono. I can say with confidence that she has never been exposed to my
two lines above - unless she read your message in which you
inconsiderately did not heed my warning. Shame on you.
bill horne
> One could say you're guilty of indecent exposure.
>
> Canoli
One could say anything - and somebody in here eventually will.
Nadyne Nelson
Alan Balmer wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:21:57 GMT, "Nadyne Nelson" <nad...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> How can an opinion, especially an untrained one, ever be truth?
>
> There's no law which says that opinions have to be wrong.
And where did I write or even imply that an opinion was wrong? I merely
asked how it could be truth?
A reasonably good definition of opinion is:
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete
certainty.
and of truth:
a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like
I still don't see how an opinion can be truth, but that's just my opinion.
--
Nadyne Nelson
nad...@prospectiveplanning.com
Lon VanOstran
<lin...@direcway.com> writes:
>In some locales this is changing. In MN the realtor has to be clear who
>he is representing and buyers can retain a realtor who represents ONLY
>the buyer's interests, even though he/she may share in the commission.
>
>You can scan for them in the real estate ads.
>LZ
It isn't just in Minnesota. In Michigan, a realtor can be a seller's agent, a
buyer's agent, or a dual agent representing both parties. In all transactions,
they will present you with a form (that the buyer and seller must sign)
identifying which they are.
As a buyer, if an agent tried to beg off of all responsibility to me by
presenting himself as a seller's agent, I would walk immediately and find an
agent with some balls.
My brother just bought (this fall) a river-front retirement home in northern
Michigan. We happened to be with them when he met "his" (not) agent at the
property. The first thing the agent (not the listing agent) did was inform him
that he was a seller's agent. I warned him that he should lose the guy
immediately. He didn't listen, and the entire purchase turned into a nightmare
where my brother was chasing down inspectors, surveyors, etc., etc., etc..
It didn't have to be that way, but he ran into an agent who wanted no
responsibility to anyone, but a fat paycheck. He wouldn't have gotten it from
me.
Lon
GBinNC
>They are the cyberspace equivalent of a teenager posing as a hooker
>and then having a hissy fit when she gets treated like one!
Those sexual fantasies still keeping you up (<snerk>) at night, Will?
Alan Balmer
>In article <brbm4p$1k40u$2...@ID-192430.news.uni-berlin.de>, Lone Haranguer
><lin...@direcway.com> writes:
>
>>In some locales this is changing. In MN the realtor has to be clear who
>>he is representing and buyers can retain a realtor who represents ONLY
>>the buyer's interests, even though he/she may share in the commission.
>>
>>You can scan for them in the real estate ads.
>>LZ
>
>It isn't just in Minnesota. In Michigan, a realtor can be a seller's agent, a
>buyer's agent, or a dual agent representing both parties. In all transactions,
>they will present you with a form (that the buyer and seller must sign)
>identifying which they are.
>
>As a buyer, if an agent tried to beg off of all responsibility to me by
>presenting himself as a seller's agent, I would walk immediately and find an
>agent with some balls.
And I hope you would be prepared to pay him. Otherwise he's being paid
by the seller, and his responsibility both legally and practically is
primarily to the guy who's paying him.