Heading for Yosemite?

[nothermark]

I guess folks are now bear food.

http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NPTnewsletter

AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.

[rvfulltime]

I've done a lot of hiking in the woods. I've seen bears in the woods; mostly
their back sides as they run away. Black bears don't concern me much, as long
as I behave properly in the woods. Make noise, don't get between a sow and it's
babies, and don't get between a bear and it's kill. The likelihood is that
they'll see and hear you before you see or hear them. A little knowledge goes a
long way.

While there is little need for bear spray in the lower 49 states, sections of
Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, and maybe Washington excepted, I think it is wrong for
the NPS to deny people non-lethal protection like bear spray.

Thankfully I've only seen grizzlies from a distance, or in my vehicle.

[dm_callier]

On May 23, 7:39 am, nothermark <notherm...@not.here> wrote:
> I guess folks are now bear food.
>

> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_sour...

>
> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.

Which isn't very many...you're more likely to die from influenza than
to even see a bear in the wild...

[MaxD]

Are you familiar with the story of "Chicken Little"?

[MaxD]

I've seen several bears in the wild but I've never died from influenza.
As a youngster I used to pick wild raspberries, elderberries, etc. and
it wasn't unusual to see a bear now and then.

[dm_callier]

LOL...your berry picking experiences aren't likely shared by more than
a small subset of folks...I've spent quite a bit of time in areas
populated by bears (evidenced by tracks and scat) and the only bears
I've seen "in the wild" were in Yellowstone from my car and near
dumpsters in an RV park...my SWAG is that at least 95% of folks have
only seen a bear in the zoo, if that...'course that's just a
guess...at any rate I'm not too concerned about lions and tigers and
bears when I'm walking a wooded trail...YMMV

[Tom J]

We have picked low bush huckleberries everywhere we see them ripe including
the road going out to the bear watch area near Hyder, AK on 2 different
trips. We do keep close watch and when we see a bear approaching, we get in
the rig and leave, which has happened several times.

Tom J

[Owen McKenzie]

I've seen black bears in the wild every year for the past few years.

--

Owen McKenzie
Posting from Pigeon Forge, TN

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi

[K Miller]

Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 5/23/2013 11:01 AM, dm_callier wrote:
>> On May 23, 7:39 am, nothermark <notherm...@not.here> wrote:
>>> I guess folks are now bear food.
>>>
>>> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_sour...
>>>
>>> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.
>>
>> Which isn't very many...you're more likely to die from influenza than
>> to even see a bear in the wild...
>>
> I've seen black bears in the wild every year for the past few years.

Well, shoot. That proves he's wrong.

[Hank]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:22:36 AM UTC-4, dm_callier wrote:

> LOL...your berry picking experiences aren't likely shared by more than
>
> a small subset of folks...I've spent quite a bit of time in areas
>
> populated by bears (evidenced by tracks and scat) and the only bears
>
> I've seen "in the wild" were in Yellowstone from my car and near
>
> dumpsters in an RV park...my SWAG is that at least 95% of folks have
>
> only seen a bear in the zoo, if that...'course that's just a
>
> guess...at any rate I'm not too concerned about lions and tigers and
>
> bears when I'm walking a wooded trail...YMMV

I saw a black bears in Florida and a couple in the Smokies (all in the wild). I also saw some at the Zoo. :-) There was one in a cage outside a restaurant many many years ago that the public could stop and see. I also saw one wrestle with a guy at a big auto sale at one of the local Chevy dealers. About every 3-4 years, one strays into central Ohio. Just sayin'

Hank

[Bob Hatch]

That story is about nothermark.

:-)


--
I do not carry a gun hoping that
I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than
I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat
tire.
Me.

[Tom J]

Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 5/23/2013 11:01 AM, dm_callier wrote:
>> On May 23, 7:39 am, nothermark <notherm...@not.here> wrote:
>>> I guess folks are now bear food.
>>>
>>> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_sour...
>>>
>>> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.
>>
>> Which isn't very many...you're more likely to die from influenza than
>> to even see a bear in the wild...
>>
> I've seen black bears in the wild every year for the past few years.

And of all places - Tennessee!! correct?? :-) Central Georgia and North
Georgia had bumper drops the past few years!!

Tom J

[Hunter Hampton]

Owen, who lives next to a NP 6 mos a year:

>> I've seen black bears in the wild every year for the past few years.

On 5/23/2013 9:36 AM, K Miller wrote:

> Well, shoot. That proves he's wrong.
>

LOL...

Hunter

[Hunter Hampton]

On 5/23/2013 9:40 AM, Tom J wrote:
> And of all places - Tennessee!! correct??:-) Central Georgia and North
> Georgia had bumper drops the past few years!!
>
> Tom J

Ouch, that's gotta hurt...

Hunter

[Lone Haranguer]

Black bears are a common sight in Voyageurs NP. Since hunting
has been banned for about 40 years, the bears have lost their
fear of people. They don't run away but instead they will
approach, especially if they smell food. Several times over the
years we visited the park, we have quickly gotten on the
houseboat, started the motors and headed elsewhere. Firearms are
not allowed in the park and some visitors carried firecrackers to
spook the bears. One group was frying bacon one morning and a
bear came right up the gangplank in spite of having firecrackers
thrown at it. When they got the engines going and backed away
from shore, the gangplank and the bear fell in the water. The
bears hung around the nicer sand beaches where people spent time
and slobs threw garbage in the woods.

LZ

[George Anthony]

"nothermark" <nothe...@not.here> wrote in message
news:45asp85mg9bk0lucs...@4ax.com...

> I guess folks are now bear food.
>
> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NPTnewsletter
>
> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.

This may be helpful to those who hike in bear country:

The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and
other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions
to avoid an encounter. They advise park visitors to wear little bells on
their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to
hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally
sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is
encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear's
sensitive nose and it will run away.

It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an
idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the
difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat. Black bear droppings
are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur.
Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

[nothermark]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:39:07 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/23/2013 8:08 AM, MaxD wrote:
>> On 5/23/2013 8:39 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>> I guess folks are now bear food.
>>>
>>> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NPTnewsletter
>>>
>>>
>>> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.
>>>
>>
>> Are you familiar with the story of "Chicken Little"?
>
>That story is about nothermark.
>
>:-)

It hardly bothers me as I have no plans to do any back country travel
in Yosemite. In fact I do not expect to ever go there.

What I did find interesting is that you advertise going armed but you
do not seem to have a problem with disarming folks who are going into
situations where there are more of a chance they will need their bear
spray than you will need your gun..

[nothermark]

From a quick look it seems to be about 1 or 2 each year for Blacks,
the same for Grizzlies. Probably in part because folks are more aware
of Grizzly and Brown bears. OTOH Blacks are encroaching more into the
suburbs aong the east coast.

[Bob Hatch]

On 5/23/2013 12:11 PM, nothermark wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:39:07 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2013 8:08 AM, MaxD wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2013 8:39 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>> I guess folks are now bear food.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NPTnewsletter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you familiar with the story of "Chicken Little"?
>>
>> That story is about nothermark.
>>
>> :-)
>
>
> It hardly bothers me as I have no plans to do any back country travel
> in Yosemite. In fact I do not expect to ever go there.

All of California is cheering. Wait, you do know that Yosemite is in
California?

>
> What I did find interesting is that you advertise going armed but you
> do not seem to have a problem with disarming folks who are going into
> situations where there are more of a chance they will need their bear
> spray than you will need your gun..
>

You really, really, really need a course in reading comprehension. Really.

[Bob Hatch]

Damn, now nothermark's gonna be asking where he can get somathem bells. :-)

[MaxD]

I think you might have missed the point.
You seem to be inordinately concerned about several aspects of RV travel.
While it's prudent to be prepared for certain eventualities your
questions and comments indicate a level of concern that would keep me
from ever leaving the safety of my home.
And since the subject has been broached I might add that your
apprehension about the vagaries in life appear to dictate your political
philosophy. You continue to harp on "safety nets".
Inappropriate anxiety is treatable.
Shit happens.

Google "Chicken Little".

[George Anthony]

"Bob Hatch" <bob....@ymail.com> wrote in message
news:519e6d20$0$7713$c3e8da3$12bc...@news.astraweb.com...

Poor reading comprehension is another thing with which liberals seem to be
afflicted.

[Bob Hatch]

I can hardly wait to see how nm spins this. :-)

>
> Google "Chicken Little".

[Janet Wilder]

I've seen many a black bear foraging in a trash can.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

[nothermark]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:25:17 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>

wrote:

>On 5/23/2013 12:11 PM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:39:07 -0700, Bob Hatch <bob....@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2013 8:08 AM, MaxD wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2013 8:39 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>> I guess folks are now bear food.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NPTnewsletter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you familiar with the story of "Chicken Little"?
>>>
>>> That story is about nothermark.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>>
>> It hardly bothers me as I have no plans to do any back country travel
>> in Yosemite. In fact I do not expect to ever go there.
>
>All of California is cheering. Wait, you do know that Yosemite is in
>California?

Yes. My problem is that I don't know as I will get L out west again
after Yellowstone. She is already moaning about driving that far.

>
>>
>> What I did find interesting is that you advertise going armed but you
>> do not seem to have a problem with disarming folks who are going into
>> situations where there are more of a chance they will need their bear
>> spray than you will need your gun..
>>
>
>You really, really, really need a course in reading comprehension. Really.

Or you need to be more clear and concise. How was I supposed to take
"Are you familiar with the story of "Chicken Little"?" ?

[Bob Hatch]

Since I didn't post it, I had no expectations.

[Ron]

"MaxD" wrote in message
news:519e320f$0$5896$c3e8da3$5077...@news.astraweb.com...

++++++
Lots of people see bears in the wild. I saw two black bears and a grizzly
Tuesday and I have never had influenza!

I am also curious where he came up with the incorrect data that "Black bears

kill as many or more people than Grizzlies".

Unless you get between a sow and her cubs black bears will almost always go
away from people.

Ron
++++++

[nothermark]

Off hand in the case I am most aware of a couple pulled into an island
campsite. The bear attacked the woman as she went into the tent area.
When the man tried to rescue her the bear killed him to. After it was
all over the necropsy on the bear showed it was an old one who was
probably sick.

The familiarity issue works both ways. There is an abundance of
stories of folks going out to run off a bear with a stick. Most of
the time it works so people assume it always does. Sometimes it does
not. Then there are the folks looking for a Darwin award.

If you want body counts Google works.

[Owen McKenzie]

I hate to tell you how many times I've died from influenza during over
the same period.

[K Miller]

Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 5/23/2013 12:36 PM, K Miller wrote:
>> Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2013 11:01 AM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>> On May 23, 7:39 am, nothermark <notherm...@not.here> wrote:
>>>>> I guess folks are now bear food.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.myyosemitepark.com/2013/05/no-bear-spray-allowed/?utm_sour...
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK Black bears kill as many or more people than Grizzlies.
>>>>
>>>> Which isn't very many...you're more likely to die from influenza
>>>> than to even see a bear in the wild...
>>>>
>>> I've seen black bears in the wild every year for the past few years.
>>
>> Well, shoot. That proves he's wrong.
>>
>>
> I hate to tell you how many times I've died from influenza during over
> the same period.

Resurrection - it's not just for the perfect.

[bill horne]

Speaking of liberals - whenever you have an abundance of liberals,
there'll never be a shortage of dumbassedness. For example - and on
topic - Yosemite:
------------------------------------
Firearms
As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can
legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local
laws, to legally possess firearms in this park.

Discharging a firearm for any reason is illegal.
------------------------------------

which is right along with:
------------------------------------
Other Weapons
The possession, use, or discharge of pepper spray (including bear
spray), pellet guns, and BB guns in Yosemite National Park is prohibited.
------------------------------------
Can you believe that? Just in case, allow me to summarize:
In Yosemite,
1. You can possess and carry a firearm, but it's illegal (but not
"prohibited") to discharge it.
2. You can not possess or carry bear spray, but you cannot discharge
it. However, it's just "prohibited" - not illegal.

So much for the bullshit of "if it saves just one life.....".

In case you think I'm making this stuff up:
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/weapons.htm

Sorry, Hank - I don't have a chart.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

[Hank]

In my "little area of the world", it has been my "experience" that most laws are are made for stupid people, by stupid people. But not to worry about a chart, I'm sure Bruce can supply one if/when needed.

Hank

[Bruce S]

While the regulations appear completely absurd (it's the government, its
not supposed to make sense), I'm wondering if there was a spate of
"abuse of pepper spray" incidents that led them to the banning of the
spray. And I also wonder just how one would abuse the pepper spray that
would so completely alarm the forest service that they felt the need to
ban it. Were people spraying squirrels?

--
Bruce

"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can
win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can
profit."