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mdp...@my-deja.com

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Aug 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/9/99
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With the popularity of small diesel trucks in the mid '80's(almost
every manufacturer had one), does anyone know if any company still
makes one? Or any plans to start making them again? Thanks, Mike


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Seymour F. Goodman

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Aug 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/9/99
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Ford, Dodge & GMC all make diesel trucks. Ford uses the Navistar
engine; Dodge the Cummins; & GMC uses a GM designed unit that has a very
poor reputation (A new engine design is supposedly in the works for
2000).

Mark Kovalsky

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Aug 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/9/99
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Seymour F. Goodman wrote:

> Ford, Dodge & GMC all make diesel trucks. Ford uses the Navistar
> engine; Dodge the Cummins; & GMC uses a GM designed unit that has a very
> poor reputation (A new engine design is supposedly in the works for
> 2000).

> mdp...@my-deja.com wrote:

> > With the popularity of small diesel trucks in the mid '80's(almost
> > every manufacturer had one), does anyone know if any company still
> > makes one? Or any plans to start making them again? Thanks, Mike

But nobody markets a small pickup (Ranger, S-10, Dakota) with a diesel.
They were not at all popular in the 80's, and nobody has tried again.

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Alan_Hepburn

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On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:16:44 -0400 Mark Kovalsky
<mkov...@SPAMLESSford.com> wrote:

> But nobody markets a small pickup (Ranger, S-10, Dakota) with a diesel.
> They were not at all popular in the 80's, and nobody has tried again.
>

Wait a bit; Ford is working on a new V6 version of the Powerstroke,
scheduled for release for the 2002 model year - it's in advanced
testing for federal certification - called the "Baby Powerstroke"
it's a 4.5L V6 and will be available in trucks in the 6000-8500 GVWR
range - Expeditions, F150s, vans, etc. Torque rating is expected to
be around 340 lb-ft. While they don't expect it to be offered in
the Ranger there's rumours that they're also working on a smaller
version for that market.


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Will R.

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Aug 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/10/99
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On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:14:35 GMT, "Alan_Hepburn" <Al...@Hepburn.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:16:44 -0400 Mark Kovalsky
><mkov...@SPAMLESSford.com> wrote:
>
>> But nobody markets a small pickup (Ranger, S-10, Dakota) with a diesel.
>> They were not at all popular in the 80's, and nobody has tried again.
>>
>Wait a bit; Ford is working on a new V6 version of the Powerstroke,
>scheduled for release for the 2002 model year - it's in advanced
>testing for federal certification - called the "Baby Powerstroke"
>it's a 4.5L V6 and will be available in trucks in the 6000-8500 GVWR
>range - Expeditions, F150s, vans, etc. Torque rating is expected to
>be around 340 lb-ft. While they don't expect it to be offered in
>the Ranger there's rumours that they're also working on a smaller
>version for that market.
>

and wait until Chrisler/Demler starts putting some of those MB diesels
in there smaller vehicials. They even have one that could replace the
Cummins!


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Roger Woods

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Yep,

Dem dere dudes was the ones what invented the engine. Gonna be
verrrryyyy interesting to see the outcome.

On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:41:22 GMT, rosen...@chesco.nospam.com (Will
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>and wait until Chrisler/Demler starts putting some of those MB diesels
>in there smaller vehicials. They even have one that could replace the
>Cummins!


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Jonathan Race

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The smallest domestic pick-up with a diesel engine that I know of in
recent years is the Chevy/GMC 1500 (half-ton) with the 6.5L V-8 turbo
diesel. Small is relative, since it uses the same outer body components
as the 2500 and 3500, but has a lower capacity due to its half-ton
suspension, brakes, etc. so technically the body is the same size, just
the capacity is smaller. GM is the only domestic auto maker to offer a
diesel in a half-ton truck - Ford cannot fit the Navistar/Powerstroke in
the current light-duty F150/250's engine bay, and the Cummins is too
heavy for the front suspension on the half-ton Ram. Hence, Ford and
Dodge have only offered their diesels in 3/4-ton and larger models
(Ford's is now only available in the Super-Duty chassis which has a
larger engine bay than the standard duty pick-up).
GM has only offered their diesel thru the '98 and prior body style, but
the new 1999 Silverado/Sierra's will not have a diesel until the
introduction of the new Isuzu-designed, GM-built 6.6L V-8 diesel for the
2000 or 2001 model year. It appears from what I can gather that this
new motor will also be of a size that will allow it to be used in a
half-ton chassis, but I can find no definitive answer to this.
Personally I own a '95 Chevy C1500 (half-ton) with the 6.5L diesel and
believe in the diesel option for smaller capacity trucks. Many people
have called it a waste, but I believe that the increased mileage over a
comparable gas motor, the increased capacity, and the more stable fuel
prices of diesel more than make up for the added initial expense (which,
unlike Ford or Dodge, does not include the price of moving up to a
larger capacity truck just to get the motor I wanted). Additionally,
since I bought my truck used, I didn't pay a dime extra for the motor
but I chalk that up to just plain luck in finding what I wanted when I
was ready to buy (although I don't think I would have chosen teal green
as my first color option, but then beggers can't be choosers....). I
jokingly tell people that it was the largest half-ton teal green diesel
powered low rider pick-up I could find - not to mention the ONLY.

Have fun - Jonathan

mdp...@my-deja.com wrote:
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> With the popularity of small diesel trucks in the mid '80's(almost
> every manufacturer had one), does anyone know if any company still
> makes one? Or any plans to start making them again? Thanks, Mike
>

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John Wood

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Aug 11, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/11/99
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Mark Kovalsky <mkov...@SPAMLESSford.com> wrote:
>
> Seymour F. Goodman wrote:
>
> > Ford, Dodge & GMC all make diesel trucks. Ford uses the Navistar
> > engine; Dodge the Cummins; & GMC uses a GM designed unit that has a very
> > poor reputation (A new engine design is supposedly in the works for
> > 2000).
>
> > mdp...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > > With the popularity of small diesel trucks in the mid '80's(almost
> > > every manufacturer had one), does anyone know if any company still
> > > makes one? Or any plans to start making them again? Thanks, Mike
>
> But nobody markets a small pickup (Ranger, S-10, Dakota) with a diesel.
> They were not at all popular in the 80's, and nobody has tried again.
>
> --
> Mark '30 Ford Model "A" Tudor '99 Mercury Sable
> '59 Edsel Corsair '99 Mercury Cougar
> '94 Ford Club Wagon 7.3L Diesel with Hypermax Turbo
> '98 SunnyBrook 33' Travel Trailer
> The views expressed above are mine, and mine alone.

Hi Mark,

I seem to remember that Ford put one in their Ranger, but it didn't
last very long (for whateverv reason). Volkswagon, Iszuzu and Mitsubishi
- to name a few, made diesel pickups.That was in the last twenty years or so.

I would check the European and Asian manufacturers - I am sure they are
putting them out even noe. I know Toyota did until a couple of years ago
- they were available in Canada anyway.

Don't know if it helps - hope it does.

John

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