Black stuff in Water
HHamp5246
I'm now at the Escapee Park just north of Knoxville. I hooked up to water and
walked the dogs. Got to cleaning my bathroom inc. my toilet. When I flushed
the toilet little black specks of something came running down the walls with
the clean water. It looked like little black rocks.
Then a little while later I turned on the kitchen faucet and just a little
trickled into the sink...very little.
I went out to be sure the water was on and it was. I checked my water filter,
works fine. The bathroom sink worked fine too.
I unscrewed the kitchen faucet and the little screen was chock full of the
black speck stuff.....
When I hooked up I ran water completely through the hose before attaching it to
the trailer inlet.
What's the black stuff? Where did it come from? Has this happened to anyone
else?
Hunter
Cmcvclock
>else?
Had this happen to me once when SWMBO bought a new charcoal filter and put on
without rinsing well. Could it be small particles of charcoal from a filter????
Chris
Chris McVetty
'03 Winnebago Minnie 31C
Murfreesboro TN
Jon Porter
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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It *really* sounds like the activated charcoal in the water filter is
leaking out. Especially if the specks have a granular feel to them.
--
Jon
JP in OH
Jon Porter
"RichA" <richatpa*nospam*@epix.net> wrote in message
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> > Hi,
> Sounds like you either just put a new filter in or the one you have
> is leaking the filter material out. If the filter has been there for
> awhile I'd replace the filter then take the screens off all the
> faucets and run the water for awhile to flush all the stuff out of the
> lines.
Come to think of it, if it that stuff is the charcoal, it could cause
trouble with the toilet valve and dump valves by lodging in the rubber
seals. Something to keep and eye on but not worry about too much.
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
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I would have suggested charcoal for the black stuff at the kitchen
faucet but Hunter said she saw the black flakes coming out of the
toilet rinse water. Surely she does not have a charcoal filter
feeding the toilet water (possibly a sediment filter) but not a
charcoal filter.
Hunter, tell us what kind of filter/filters you have between the
incoming hose bib (fresh water supply faucet) and the toilet........
bathroom sink & kitchen sink.
This is important in troubleshooting the system since many
arrangements can be configured.
In my motorhome all incoming fresh water is run thru a sediment
filter.
We also utilize a solid block charcoal filter that feeds a goosneck
faucet in the kitchen and a goosneck faucet on the bathroom sink. Our
drinking water/cooking water/coffee&tea&OJ water come from the
goosnecks.
If you can tell us what kind/kinds of filters you have in line and
when you last replaced them that might go a long way toward helping
solve your problem.
mike
--
Mike Hendrix
Pensacola
http://travellogs.us/
HHamp5246
I have NO filter on the hose...... the only filter is under the sink with its
own tap.
I agree it looks like charcoal sediment, but it's coming out of the water
hookup, not from any filter of mine.
Hunter
Lone Haranguer
> I agree it looks like charcoal sediment, but it's coming out of the water
> hookup, not from any filter of mine.
>
area of their well or city water supply?
I once filled my water tanks in Alexander, ND and they had really
excellent tasting water, but I found this black grit in it. When we
passed through the town again I asked about it and learned that the
town's water supply flowed through a coal seam.
LZ
Gustave Weber
pure, such as from mountain wells. It would all disappear the next time I
used chlorinated water.
Good luck
Gus Weber
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
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Mike Hendrix
wrote:
-----------------------------
Hunter, now that you have eliminated having a filter between your
fresh water hose connection and your house system the "charcoal" may
be coming from a "leak/puncture" in the RV-Parks water purification
system. If the park you are staying in happens to NOT be on city
water they may be operating a water purification system for the park.
If so their charcoal filter may have sprung a leak.
I read phred's poop sheets concerning water filters and decided that
phred was pretty informed on water filters. Following his advice I
installed a 5-micron sediment filter to filter ALL water entering my
motorhome. If I were in the park next to you all that charcoal you
are seeing would be trapped in the sediment filter. It is something
you might consider.
Keep in mind a sediment filter does NOT filter out chemicals and those
stomach wrenching microbes but it does a good job of filtering out
sediments.
Tom J
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> I responded to a bunch of posts, but they haven't shown up.....
>
> I have NO filter on the hose...... the only filter is under the sink with
its
> own tap.
You just leaned why most campers have at least a sediment filter in their
water line.
I don't take on water without the sediment filter and the charcoal filter.
Some say you don't need to filter all the water that comes into the rig, but
replacing or repairing a faucet set or commode valve from the results of trash
or grit, as well as having no telling what in the water line, makes me spend
about 15 cents a day filtering water.
Traveling all over North America, including 14 states in Mexico, and filling
up from the local water supply, has never been a problem for us. No bugs and
no trash!!
--
Tom J
http://avionclub.org/
Open to all Fleetwood brands
Bob Giddings
wrote:
>I responded to a bunch of posts, but they haven't shown up.....
There's a technical name for this stuff...GUNK.
If you have no filter, you need one, at least a fine wire mesh. All
sorts of sand and grit can get in a water line if they have been
working on them anywhere in the neighborhood.
I suspect you have a filter on the inlet side of your pump. It
usually comes with one. Mine leaked, so I replaced it with a cheap
inline brass screen filter like you find in clothes washer hoses. You
can also use one of these in your intake hose. Available at any
hardware store.
To get rid of what you've already got, you need to clean the screens
and flush the lines. It may clog up your undersink filter. My advice
is to move on to another park. The problem will recur until all the
GUNK is out of the feeder lines.
Bad luck, but not the end of the world. That's why you have wheels.
Bob
Current email at:
bobgiddings0 at yahoo dot com
HHamp5246
>usually comes with one. Mine leaked, so I replaced it with a cheap inline
brass screen filter like you find in clothes washer hoses. >
Pump? What pump?
>To get rid of what you've already got, you need to clean the screens and flush
the lines. It may clog up your undersink filter. My advice is to move on to
another park. The problem will recur until all the GUNK is out of the feeder
lines.>
Not a chance in the world that I'm going to move. Already have some good
friends here and more coming......
>
I am convinced the I need a "sediment filter" but have no idea where to get
one. Does Walmart sell them?
Hunter
Bob Giddings
wrote:
As I said, a fine mesh screen in place of the current gasket on your
intake screen will get rid of most of it. Yes, Walmart sells them.
Fifty cents a pair or thereabouts. Ask for the screen/washer that
goes in washer hoses. Put it in your intake hose, and knock the loose
stuff out every now and then.
For visible sediment those work pretty well. You can get a lot more
elaborate without much practical improvement. There are different
grades of fineness in the mesh.
Carl A.
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
Check with your neighbors whether they have a water problem, too.
Also check your water hose, and especially the washer.
--
Carl A. in FL
Enjoy photo-journals of my travels at
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/index.htm
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
>I am convinced the I need a "sediment filter" but have no idea where to get
>one. Does Walmart sell them?
>
>Hunter
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Hunter, you can get a good sediment filter at Lowe's or Home Depot.
Before you go and do this please take time to read some of the
information phred has in his poop sheets on filters. He covers the
subject from A to Z. Before purchasing a sediment filter you really
need to UNDERSTAND what you are purchasing and why.
One other note of caution: You want to keep your sediment filter in
the shade. Most people have it mounted inside their RV (basement).
Other people have their configured to fit outside in the SUN where it
gets HOT and breeds all kinds of gross stuff inside the filter. You
want to be smarter than that.
Some of the filter housings are clear so you can see the filter
inside. Mine is NOT. I would like one that had a clear housing so I
could see the condition of my filter.
My sediment filter is a tightly wound spool of thread (purchased
separately from the filter body) that works like a charm.
HTH
George Reily
wrote:
>>I suspect you have a filter on the inlet side of your pump. It
I bought the basic whole house filter unit without the filter in lowes
and then bought the 27$ sediment, pesticide , lead etc... filter to
put in it. I then bought some fittings in the plumbing supply
department to convert the pipe fitting for the inlet and outlet to
hose fittings. Two sections of the premade drinking water hose in 10
foot lengths at wally world rv section completed the project and I was
good to go.
I am pretty sure they sell the whole house filter units at walmart
( under the pur name) also. There should be a Home depot near you.
I used to use the carbon - sediment filters only as they are
cheaper than the kind that remove all the bad junk but the last couple
of filters I have splurged on the better kind. Depends on where I plan
to go and if I think the water will be halfway decent or not.
George
HHamp5246
Okay, thanks Mike.
I think Carl may have hit on something. After reading his post I got to
thinking about the hoses. I stayed on a friend's farm the night before I got
here. While there I had to hook up all three of my hoses to reach the faucet on
the side of their house. One of those hoses hasn't been used for ages......
I went and looked into the hoses and they are pretty funky looking. I'm going
to Walmart to buy three new 25' hoses tomorrow..... I'm thinking the black may
have been mold flaking off the inside of the hose.
I ran water into a tall glass, twice, and no black stuff so it's not coming
from the water faucet at the campground. It almost has to be my hose.... or
stuff from one of the hoses the night before that got into the final hose.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
Hunter
HDinNY
Hunter, Camping World has them for less than $40. They can
be put in place in-between two hose lengths. I use one
outside and put a charcoal filter in it. For drinking water
we have a similar one that stands on the counter top,
probably something like the under the sink model you have.
Here's the link to the outside one;
<http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=12874&src=SRCH&tcode=37>
You can make one up from in-stock stuff at Lowe's. There is
a blue filter housing that threaded openings on each side
and you can buy brass hose fittings that screw into them so
you can attach a hose on each side. Lowe's site doesn't show
them but the filter housing is around $14 and the fittings
around $10. I have one made up like that and one bought with
hose fittings already attached. You can buy several
different cartridges from plain paper, string wound, to 1
and .5 micron ones that filter out the bugs.
HD in NY
HHamp5246
>be put in place in-between two hose lengths.
Hi Hugh,
Thanks...... I'll check them out. I hate the extra hassle of using one.....
it's the first time I've ever had this problem. I really do think it's the
funky hoses. They look nice on the outside, the but the inside is Ka Ka. <g>
Hunter
Carl A.
"HHamp5246" <hham...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
>
> I ran water into a tall glass, twice, and no black stuff so it's not coming
> from the water faucet at the campground. It almost has to be my hose.... or
> stuff from one of the hoses the night before that got into the final hose.
>
> Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
>
> Hunter
Do let me know --- if it turns out to have been stuff from the hose, I hope GB
will give me credit for having made a positive RV-related contribution. <g>
Probably needless to say, but when you buy new hoses tomorrow, make sure that
they are rated "food grade." I understand that there are some white hoses with
the blue stripe that are not food grade.
You'll need to clean out all faucets, showerhead, spray heads, etc. Don't
forget to flush the water heater tank.
Good luck,
HHamp5246
they are rated "food grade." I understand that there are some white hoses with
the blue stripe that are not food grade.
Hi Carl,
Yeah, I do look for that. If I didn't I'd have pretty colored hoses.
>You'll need to clean out all faucets, showerhead, spray heads, etc. Don't
forget to flush the water heater tank.>
Arrrggghhhh.....
Hunter
HDinNY
Sure sounds like the hoses. I use a short 10' hose on one
side and another 10' hose on the other. When we unhook, I
just coil the hoses and connect the ends. I used to carry a
25' hose also but have gone to the shorter 10' hoses. If I
need more I can add a length. That way I never have a gob of
hose to mess with.
HD in NY
George Reily
in the garden section and a pvc plug (I think it is 3/4in) in the
plumbing section. You can use these to cap both ends of your drinking
hoses to keep unwanted substances out.
HHamp5246
My neighbors wandered over for a visit and I mentioned it to them and they have
it too!
So, although I still am getting new hoses it's in the water system.
I mentioned it to the host on duty and he said he filled the pool and back
flushed it yesterday and thinks maybe the extra whoosh power might have
loosened up some sediment.....
BTW, my neighbors have a flter and still got it.
I'll clean everything out next week when I get to Lexington or Cincinnati....
no point in doing it here.
Hunter
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
>I went and looked into the hoses and they are pretty funky looking. I'm going
>to Walmart to buy three new 25' hoses tomorrow..... I'm thinking the black may
>have been mold flaking off the inside of the hose.
>Hunter
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Hunter, I know that you know this but you do not need to throw your
hoses out. Disconnect both ends of the "funky" hose, drain most/all
of the water out of it. Then with most of the body of the hose on the
ground elevate both ends (like on a picnic table) and pour a strong
bleach mixture into the hose so that you get the majority of the
"funky" hose filled with the clorene mixture. Rinse off both ends
(clorene will rapidly degrade brass fittings) and connect both ends.
Now that you have a "closed circuit" with the strong clorene solution
in the hose you can agitate the hose to assure that strong clorene
solution reaches all parts of the hose. Let sit for 30-minutes or so
before connecting the old "funky hose" to a fresh water supply and
rinse it out.
It is a good idea for all of us to do this after our fresh water hoses
have been idle for a month or longer.
HTH
mike
Mike Hendrix
>You can make one up from in-stock stuff at Lowe's. There is
>a blue filter housing that threaded openings on each side
>and you can buy brass hose fittings that screw into them so
>you can attach a hose on each side. Lowe's site doesn't show
>them but the filter housing is around $14 and the fittings
>around $10. I have one made up like that and one bought with
>hose fittings already attached. You can buy several
>different cartridges from plain paper, string wound, to 1
>and .5 micron ones that filter out the bugs.
>HD in NY
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Hugh, like you my filter housing came from Lowe's also, a blue one in
fact. Instead of brass fittings I ended up with white plastic/pvc
fittings that converted the pipe fittings to hose fittings.
I wish that my blue filter housing was clear so I could easily monitor
the condition of the filter.
Bob Giddings
wrote:
I've been shaking my head reading this thread. What does it matter if
you get a little sediment in your water heater? It'll flush out. So
will the cold side.
Two things occur to me:
1. You can easily make a mountain out of a mole hill with this stuff.
I'd just put sediment screen in the hose and run lots of water through
the system. Problem probably solved. Pour some chlorox in the hose
first if you want.
2. I'm nonplussed at the amount of trouble people go to trying to
filter water. In decades of drinking water all over the country, I've
never gotten anything bad from anything the locals are drinking.
Personally I don't have room for nor interest in dragging a lot of
extra plumbing around.
Change the hoses and move on. No need to acquire a new fetish this
late in life. :o) Mexico is probably another matter.
Has anyone actually gotten hold of some bad water? I mean water that
made someone sick? Bad tasting is not the same thing.
Bob, who mostly drinks so-called spring water from the store anyhow,
these days. I cook with the stuff from the tap.
HHamp5246
>filter water. In decades of drinking water all over the country, I've
>never gotten anything bad from anything the locals are drinking.
I don't go to any effort to filter, but I do drink the undercounter filtered
water, and give it to the dogs and cats.
The tap water tastes funky to me. The filter is there, why not drink the water
that tastes good?
Hunter
Lon VanOstran
I bought quick connect fittings from Wal Mart, and use them on each end of
every connection for our hose/filter/y, etc.. When disconnecting at any
campground, I connect the filter to it'self, each end of the hose to the other,
etc., so none of it is open for critters.
I screw my "Y" onto the outlet in the campground, and quick connect everything
else together. It only takes seconds to connect the whole system.
I bought a bright yellow plastic "Y" after forgetting one, and so far the
bright yellow jumps out at me so I don't forget it.
Lon
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
>On 15 May 2004 19:28:15 GMT, hham...@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246)
>wrote:
>>>You'll need to clean out all faucets, showerhead, spray heads, etc. Don't
>>forget to flush the water heater tank.>
>>
>>Hunter
>>
>>
---------------
>I've been shaking my head reading this thread. What does it matter if
>you get a little sediment in your water heater? It'll flush out. So
>will the cold side.
>
>Two things occur to me:
>
>1. You can easily make a mountain out of a mole hill with this stuff.
>I'd just put sediment screen in the hose and run lots of water through
>the system. Problem probably solved. Pour some chlorox in the hose
>first if you want.
Bob, you probably have a point. I imagine the subject of water
filters are a bit like "political discussions" and "black tank
chemicals", it is virtually impossible to change anyone's mind on
these subjects.
>
>2. I'm nonplussed at the amount of trouble people go to trying to
>filter water. In decades of drinking water all over the country, I've
>never gotten anything bad from anything the locals are drinking.
>Personally I don't have room for nor interest in dragging a lot of
>extra plumbing around.
While we have a sediment filter mounted in the basement I do nothing
other than connect my fresh water hose it it rather than the input for
the fresh water supply line on the motorhome.
>
>Change the hoses and move on. No need to acquire a new fetish this
>late in life. :o) Mexico is probably another matter.
You may be more correct than not. However, many RV-Parks, especially
out west, are not connected to city water systems. In many of these
parks you can get a surprising amount of sediments in the fresh water
supply (they may be OK then again they may not be).
>
>Has anyone actually gotten hold of some bad water? I mean water that
>made someone sick? Bad tasting is not the same thing.
How would one actually know if it was the water that made them sick?
Wouldn't that just be speculation?
>
>Bob, who mostly drinks so-called spring water from the store anyhow,
>these days.
Why do you drink "so-called" spring water from the store? Do you know
of anyone who has gotten sick from drinking tap water? It doesn't
make sense to lug water home from the grocery store when you can just
get it out of the tap. Why would you be dragging around a bunch of
water bottles when it is so unnecessary? Especially, why do you dring
water from the store when it costs more than gasoline, and I know you
have read all the reports on how much of the store purchased water is
nothing more than filtered water from some city water system?
>I cook with the stuff from the tap.
Why don't you drink it if you are so sure nothing is wrong with it?
mike,
who does not use chemicals in his black or grey tank.
--
Peter Pan
>
>>
>> Pump? What pump?
>>
>>
You know that freshwater tank that you have never used? There is usually a
pump for water in that when you are not connected to city water.
You do have a water tank, and tried it, don't you? (just curious, a friend
of mine has a water tank that cracked and leaked, and then the pump burned
up running dry. He traded it in that way). Could be something else for you
to fix :)
HHamp5246
>of mine has a water tank that cracked and leaked, and then the pump burned
>up running dry. He traded it in that way). Could be something else for you
>to fix :)
Yes, I have a water tank. No, I have never put water in it.
Hunter
Bob Giddings
<nospam.mi...@rimonline.com> wrote:
snip
>
>Why do you drink "so-called" spring water from the store?
I like the taste better, usually. Depends on the spring. HEB spring
water comes from Utopia, TX, which sounds good to me.
>
>>I cook with the stuff from the tap.
>
>Why don't you drink it if you are so sure nothing is wrong with it?
Oh, I do, when I run out of the expensive stuff.
>
>mike,
>who does not use chemicals in his black or grey tank.
Bob Giddings
wrote:
Which means it may not work when you really need it. Or may taste
bad. But nevermind, you're touchy on this subject.
BTW, you need to run that generator once a month for 20 minutes or so.
Or like the pump, it may not work. Varnish, etc, sets in over time.
Or so I'm told.
HHamp5246
nevermind, you're touchy on this subject.>
I'm not touchy on the subject. It's like AOL, people keep telling me what I
should do....
>BTW, you need to run that generator once a month for 20 minutes or so.>
Oh, okay, thanks.
Hunter
Carl A.
"Mike Hendrix" <nospam.mi...@rimonline.com> wrote in message
news:q3vca0lgmdpu612of...@4ax.com...
> On 15 May 2004 18:52:55 GMT, hham...@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246)
> wrote:
>
> >I went and looked into the hoses and they are pretty funky looking. I'm
going
> >to Walmart to buy three new 25' hoses tomorrow..... I'm thinking the black
may
> >have been mold flaking off the inside of the hose.
>
> >Hunter
> -----------------------------------------
> Hunter, I know that you know this but you do not need to throw your
> hoses out. Disconnect both ends of the "funky" hose, drain most/all
> of the water out of it. Then with most of the body of the hose on the
> ground elevate both ends (like on a picnic table) and pour a strong
> bleach mixture into the hose so that you get the majority of the
> "funky" hose filled with the clorene mixture.
Aw, come on now, Mike
A new 25' food grade hose will set her back less than $10. Why go through all
the efforts you recommend, without certainty of outcome, just to save a measly
$10?
Sometimes you bureaucrats and your limited thinking scare the sh*t out of me.
Thank God you're retired ;-)
Carl A.
"Bob Giddings" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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You are *so* right! People with too much idle time on their hands will tend to
complicate everything.
I recommend cleaning out the system solely because the black stuff may restrict
flow, and may cause problems in the heater. Beyond that, do nothing except put
one of those 40 cent screens where the hose connects.
Water filtration is the dumbest rip off there is. Spend 50 cents every third
day to buy bottled water for making coffee, if you have to. I also use it for
tastefree ice cubes.
Carl A.
>
> Why do you drink "so-called" spring water from the store? Do you know
> of anyone who has gotten sick from drinking tap water? It doesn't
> make sense to lug water home from the grocery store when you can just
> get it out of the tap. Why would you be dragging around a bunch of
> water bottles when it is so unnecessary? Especially, why do you dring
> water from the store when it costs more than gasoline, and I know you
> have read all the reports on how much of the store purchased water is
> nothing more than filtered water from some city water system?
>
heck of a lot cheaper than investing in and maintaining a filtration system.
Lon VanOstran
>heck of a lot cheaper than investing in and maintaining a filtration system.
>--
Huh? We go through a couple gallons of water per day, and only spend about $50
per year for the convenience of two filters and unlimited filtered water by
opening the faucet.
Lon
Peter Pan
news:20040515223240...@mb-m02.wmconnect.com
How much do you use when in the RV, and how do you know if the filter will
work on whatever the CG has in their water? I think the suggestion was for
RV use rather than home use.
I'm mainly curious, I am flip-flopping between plastic water jugs that can
be used when traveling, in case of bad water, in case of a filtration/water
system failure etc. Most of the parks have fine water, so why go thru the
expense of a filter, whereas for a lot less money, I can just have jugs of
water for coffee on the road, power failures, and oh yeah... emergency
flushing! <---- Important, I found out toilets don't work when there is a
power failure and no water. :)
HDinNY
snipped
> I'm mainly curious, I am flip-flopping between plastic water jugs that can
> be used when traveling, in case of bad water, in case of a filtration/water
> system failure etc. Most of the parks have fine water, so why go thru the
> expense of a filter, whereas for a lot less money, I can just have jugs of
> water for coffee on the road, power failures, and oh yeah... emergency
> flushing! <---- Important, I found out toilets don't work when there is a
> power failure and no water. :)
>
>
I've never seen "fine" water in a campground. It usually has
a chemical taste to it. A charcoal filter cartridge costs
less than $5 and a 1 micron cartridge that filters out most
all tastes, bugs and heavy metals costs less than $20. Both
will last us through a whole winter season. The charcoal
filter is on the hose coming into the trailer and the 1
micron is on the kitchen faucet. At home we have the same
setup for the cold water tap in the kitchen. Our local water
tastes awful. After filtering it tastes better than the
bottled water.
HD in NY
HDinNY
snipped
> I wish that my blue filter housing was clear so I could easily monitor
> the condition of the filter.
I'd rather not have the clear housing. Lets sunlight in and
feeds the algae. Better to have the opaque housing. Check
the info that came with your filter housing. Somewhere it
mentions the expected life of the shell. I've got the clear
housing for the 1 micron house basement system but it's
"dark" down there most of the time <g>.
HD in NY
HDinNY
It's easier to coil them and connect the ends <g>.
HD in NY
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
>
>"Mike Hendrix" <nospam.mi...@rimonline.com> wrote in message
>news:9k2da0p3t8eapeb6g...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Why do you drink "so-called" spring water from the store? Do you know
>> of anyone who has gotten sick from drinking tap water? It doesn't
>> make sense to lug water home from the grocery store when you can just
>> get it out of the tap. Why would you be dragging around a bunch of
>> water bottles when it is so unnecessary? Especially, why do you dring
>> water from the store when it costs more than gasoline, and I know you
>> have read all the reports on how much of the store purchased water is
>> nothing more than filtered water from some city water system?
>>
>Because it costs anywhere between 25 cents to 60 cents per gallon, which is a
>heck of a lot cheaper than investing in and maintaining a filtration system.
---------------------------------------
You certainly spend more on water than I spend on filters even if you
are paying 60 cents per-gallon. I replace filters annually.
I am not overly concerned about my fresh water supply. My sediment
filter doesn't do much more that assure that "sediments" are captured
before entering our system. Virtually every RV has some kind of
"sediment" filter even if it is nothing but a cone screen in the hose
fitting. Obviously the filter I am using does a much better job than
a simple screen.
Instead of purchasing drinking water at the store I chose to get mine
from a goose neck faucet mounted on my kitchen sink supplied from a
solid carbon block filter. A solid carbon block filter just happens
to filter out all the bad chemicals and bugs. The drawback is the
flow..........the flow is slow as in the connection is via 1/4"
plastic (ice maker tubing). We have a goose neck faucet installed in
the bathroom sink where we get water to brush our teeth, also supplied
by that filter.
I chose the solid block filter to have a safe supply of drinking water
without the hassle/expense of purchasing water at the grocery store.
To each his own.
mike
Mike Hendrix
Mine is in the basement and seldom sees the light of day. That would
be a MAJOR concern if it was located in the sun.
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
>
>"Mike Hendrix" <nospam.mi...@rimonline.com> wrote in message
>news:q3vca0lgmdpu612of...@4ax.com...
>> On 15 May 2004 18:52:55 GMT, hham...@aol.comnojunk (HHamp5246)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I went and looked into the hoses and they are pretty funky looking. I'm
>going
>> >to Walmart to buy three new 25' hoses tomorrow..... I'm thinking the black
>may
>> >have been mold flaking off the inside of the hose.
>>
>> >Hunter
>> -----------------------------------------
>> Hunter, I know that you know this but you do not need to throw your
>> hoses out. Disconnect both ends of the "funky" hose, drain most/all
>> of the water out of it. Then with most of the body of the hose on the
>> ground elevate both ends (like on a picnic table) and pour a strong
>> bleach mixture into the hose so that you get the majority of the
>> "funky" hose filled with the clorene mixture.
>> ----------------- snip ----------------
>
>Aw, come on now, Mike
>
>A new 25' food grade hose will set her back less than $10. Why go through all
>the efforts you recommend, without certainty of outcome, just to save a measly
>$10?
Carl, you sound like a parts changer. I know mechanics like that.
I can put a few oz of bleach in that hose quicker than you can make a
trip to the store to purchase that hose.
>Sometimes you bureaucrats and your limited thinking scare the sh*t out of me.
Limited thinking! I wonder how many people on RORT would go to the
store and purchase a new hose rather than pour some bleach down one?
I am willing to put the question to a vote, are you?
>
>Thank God you're retired ;-)
Even being retired I have got better things to do than run to the
store to purchase a new hose when all I need to do is put a little
bleach in the old one.
And yes, it is nice to be retired.
Lon VanOstran
>work on whatever the CG has in their water? I think the suggestion was for
>RV use rather than home use.
We are _always_ in the RV. We filter everything with which we cook, and
everything we drink. We make a 20 cup pot of coffee every day, and each drink 2
liters of measured water as part of the Atkins diet., in addition to smaller
amounts of water other times, and for cooking. All consumed water goes through
the "whole house" filter before it gets to the sink, and then through the ADC
under sink filter. Even the worst campground water is odorless and tasteless
when we drink it. Better IMHO, than bottled water.
Lon
Don
>
> I responded to a bunch of posts, but they haven't shown up.....
>
> I have NO filter on the hose...... the only filter is under the sink with its
> own tap.
>
> I agree it looks like charcoal sediment, but it's coming out of the water
> hookup, not from any filter of mine.
>
> Hunter
Are you sure? I had the very same problem once with the black stuff
coming out of the bathroom facets as well as the kitchen facet. Someone
told me to change the filter under the kitchen sink which solved the
problem. I was skeptical at first but it worked. How it bleeds back
into the lines escapes me but apparently it can.
Don in Tracy, Calif.
HDinNY
Sounds similar to mine. I have the line to the kitchen sink
filtered with one blue housing filter (has the charcoal
cartridge) and a whole house clear housing (has the 1 micron
cartridge). The clear filter has the three way valve. When
cartridge change time comes, I have a valve upstream of the
filters. That gets closed and the cold faucet gets opened to
relieve pressure. I pull the cartridges and put the clear
three way in the by-pass mode. This way when I first turn
the water back on, the "stuff" from the charcoal filter gets
flushed through without clogging the 1 micron cartridge.
Once the water runs clear at the cold faucet, I turn the
clear three way valve to open. The third position is closed.
I gotta warn ya though Mike, when you get the clear housing
filter, it can be "stressful" seeing what gets past the
charcoal cartridge. Our water has algae in it during the
warm months and it apparently makes it past the charcoal.
Have to wash the clear housing good when changing the
cartridges <g>.
HD in NY
George Reily
For most people yes. I spend alot of my weekends parked in
fairgrounds, parking lots of colleges etc, local parks, expo centers
and I need water and am rarely closer than 100 ft to 200ft from a
spigot so capping the ends allows me to lay out the hose and then
connect the ends without the dirt getting in or on the fittings :)
Lone Haranguer
>
> How much do you use when in the RV, and how do you know if the filter will
> work on whatever the CG has in their water? I think the suggestion was for
> RV use rather than home use.
Lon is living full time in his RV. After a period of trial and error I
use two charcoal filters, in line. The first housing is clear so I can
watch what collects on the filter, the second is opaque only because
they are cheaper. A pair of filters is $6.70 at the local farm store.
>
> I'm mainly curious, I am flip-flopping between plastic water jugs that can
> be used when traveling, in case of bad water, in case of a filtration/water
> system failure etc. Most of the parks have fine water, so why go thru the
> expense of a filter, whereas for a lot less money, I can just have jugs of
> water for coffee on the road, power failures, and oh yeah... emergency
> flushing! <---- Important, I found out toilets don't work when there is a
> power failure and no water. :)
>
Despite the two filters, esposa wants reverse-osmosis water for
drinking, coffee and ice cubes.
We've become accustomed to it over the past 15 years and carry a few
crates of gallon jugs in the back of the pickup. Price varies between
20 and 35 cents per gallon and many supermarkets now have water machines
either inside or outside their stores.
LZ
HHamp5246
rv...@wmconnect.com (Lon VanOstran) writes:
> We make a 20 cup pot of coffee every day, and each drink 2
>liters of measured water as part of the Atkins diet.,
Lon,
You and Carolyn drink 20 cups of coffee a day?
Hunter
HHamp5246
>Are you sure? I had the very same problem once with the black stuff
>coming out of the bathroom facets as well as the kitchen facet. Someone
>told me to change the filter under the kitchen sink which solved the
>problem. I was skeptical at first but it worked. How it bleeds back
>into the lines escapes me but apparently it can.
My neighbor has the black stuff too.
Hunter
Carl A.
OK, Brainiac
the interior wall of her hose has deteriorated to the point where the black
lining has come loose and is getting into the water system. There it will plug
faucets, strainers, valves, and mess up the hot water tank.
Now comes Mike and suggests that a few drops of chlorine will cure all that!
He'll also sell you some deer whistles, and will suggest that attaching some
fuel line magnets to the hose will really improve water quality.
Sheesh!
Lon VanOstran
>
>You and Carolyn drink 20 cups of coffee a day?
>
>Hunter
Nope. _I_ do. Decaf.
Lon
HHamp5246
>lining has come loose and is getting into the water system.
My hose doesn't have a black lining... it seems to have an algae lining.
Hunter
HHamp5246
Something just occurred to me. That I know of, only two rigs are having the
black stuff problem.
Both of us came here from Summerdale, AL.... the same campground.
Maybe the water there funked up our hoses.
My bathroom faucet wouldn't work this morning. I took the screen out and
cleaned it... the "black" stuff might be dark green.
Oh well.... I'm not going to worry about it.
Hunter
Neon John
Well you could get the clear one for inspection purposes and then make a
little black patent leather pantie for it.... :-)
---
John De Armond
johngdDO...@bellsouth.net
http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/o/johngd/
Cleveland, Occupied TN
Tom J
"Carl A." <cha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2gp9fjF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Mike Hendrix" <nospam.mi...@rimonline.com> wrote in message
> news:i6tda0le7948o3lc1...@4ax.com...
> > I can put a few oz of bleach in that hose quicker than you can make a
> > trip to the store to purchase that hose.
> >
> > >Sometimes you bureaucrats and your limited thinking scare the sh*t out of
me.
> >
> > Limited thinking! I wonder how many people on RORT would go to the
> > store and purchase a new hose rather than pour some bleach down one?
> >
> > I am willing to put the question to a vote, are you?
> >
> > >
> > >Thank God you're retired ;-)
> >
> > Even being retired I have got better things to do than run to the
> > store to purchase a new hose when all I need to do is put a little
> > bleach in the old one.
> >
> > And yes, it is nice to be retired.
> >
> > mike
>
> OK, Brainiac
>
> the interior wall of her hose has deteriorated to the point where the black
> lining has come loose and is getting into the water system. There it will
plug
> faucets, strainers, valves, and mess up the hot water tank.
>
> Sheesh!
Carl, cool it. The hose wasn't coming apart, Hunter hadn't used that hose
since no telling when and the growth inside the hose dried and came out when
water ran through it. I'm one of those that keeps a small bottle of chlorine
in the hose storage compartment and puts a little in each hose after use and
the fastens both ends of the hose together to keep it inside. If you don't,
look at your hose if it's over a month old and it has brown color showing
through. That's what dries and comes out after being unused and the hose ends
not being fastened tightly together when stored.
All that said, some people are more sensitive to bugs and fungus than others,
and I'm one, so my water ALL gets full filtration down to 1/2 micron through
those clean hoses that I use year after year by using a $1 worth of bleach a
year.
Tom J
Tom J
"George Reily" <kerriesber...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f5b7c0fb9bf7a90...@news.teranews.com...
> Another good thing to get at the depot or lowes etc.. is hose end caps
> in the garden section and a pvc plug (I think it is 3/4in) in the
> plumbing section. You can use these to cap both ends of your drinking
> hoses to keep unwanted substances out.
Just screw both ends of the hose to each other. You don't need those caps and
plugs that are catching grime when not in use.
Tom J
George Reily
wrote:
That's why zip lock sandwich bags were invented
George
Lon VanOstran
Hah!!!!!!! I think you just explained why we have low water pressure in spite
of the new cartridge I put in our filter just before we went to Summerdale. I
was gonna pick up a new pressure regulator. I think I'll get another cartridge
first.
Thanks, Hunter.
Lon
Mike Hendrix
>
>I gotta warn ya though Mike, when you get the clear housing
>filter, it can be "stressful" seeing what gets past the
>charcoal cartridge. Our water has algae in it during the
>warm months and it apparently makes it past the charcoal.
>Have to wash the clear housing good when changing the
>cartridges <g>.
>HD in NY
-----------------------------
Interesting! We all learn when we share our experiences. I have
never seen any evidence of "algae" in any of our filters/housings.
Has algae sighting in the charcoal filter been regular or a one time
event? Do you have a sediment filter inline before your charcoal
filter?
I am trying to see what the differences may be that would contribute
to you experiencing algea and me not. Possibly others could jump in
and share some of their experiences.
mike
--
Mike Hendrix
This just shows how different RV'ers are. Your solution is practical
for your situation. Like HD I coil my hose and connect the ends.
HHamp5246
>to you experiencing algea and me not. Possibly others could jump in
>and share some of their experiences.
>
Mike,
Here's a guess in my case. At the farm in Ocala I'm on well water. There is no
chlorine or any other additive.....
The night before I got here I used all three of my hoses, one which I hadn't
used since last feb at an Airstream rally....
Anyway, Cliff and Marie are next to me and they gave me a whole house filter
and all the brass fittings to make it hose ready.
Then Marie and I just drove to Walmart and I got lotsa quick connects, a brand
shiny 25' and a 50' hose and a filter for the filter holder....
I'll be pulling out the teflon tape and hooking all this up.
Hunter
HHamp5246
of the new cartridge I put in our filter just before we went to Summerdale. I
was gonna pick up a new pressure regulator. I think I'll get another cartridge
first.>
Lon,
Check your little screens first..... if it's the faucets. If it's the drinking
faucet, that's probably it.
My drinking faucet was dribbling last year and a new Everpure cartridge made
all the difference.
Let us know.
Hunter
George Reily
wrote:
>>>Just screw both ends of the hose to each other. You don't need those caps
>>and
>>>plugs that are catching grime when not in use.
>>>
>>>Tom J
>>>
>> That's why zip lock sandwich bags were invented
>> George
>
>It's also why quick connect fittings were invented. Using them, you can connect
>each part of your system to itself when not in use.
>
>Lon
>
I like the caps. I use many lengths of 50' hose and find it is much
easier to deal with coiling, storage and laying the hose out when the
ends are not attached to each other. I also don't coil hoses or wire
up on the ground to minimize twisting. I suppose if I had just a
couple of short lenghs I would plug them together. On that note I do
connect the ends of my filter setup together when not in use. To each
his own..........
George
Mike Hendrix
wrote:
-------------------------------------------
Carl, you are acting remarkably like -------------- Will, all the way
down to deer whistles.
I don't recall Hunter saying anything about a deteriorating hose,
where did you come up with that? By some chance do you think that
your WHITE hose has a BLACK liner?
Sheesh!
Have you ever heard of algae?
Go buy a new hose.
HHamp5246
Yes, I know. And every faucet in the house has a little screen.
Unscrew the little thingy at the end of the faucet and clean the screens.
Hunter
Lon VanOstran
It still can't get past my filters, and I replaced the ADC filter under the
sink, just last week. I also have great water pressure right now running off
the tank and pump. It's not the faucets.
Lon
Lone Haranguer
>
> I am trying to see what the differences may be that would contribute
> to you experiencing algea and me not. Possibly others could jump in
> and share some of their experiences.
>
> mike
I've used two charcoal filters in line for at least 10 years. First one
is in a clear case. Only twice have I had algae growth and both times
were when using river water from the Colorado (Hidden Shores) and Rio
Grande-Conchas (Lajitas Golf Club) rivers that had been run through the
park's private water plants. Could be those plants were not up to snuff
but I've never experienced it anywhere else.
LZ
HDinNY
snipped
> Interesting! We all learn when we share our experiences. I have
> never seen any evidence of "algae" in any of our filters/housings.
> Has algae sighting in the charcoal filter been regular or a one time
> event? Do you have a sediment filter inline before your charcoal
> filter?
>
> I am trying to see what the differences may be that would contribute
> to you experiencing algea and me not. Possibly others could jump in
> and share some of their experiences.
>
> mike
Don't have a sediment filter ahead of the charcoal. Since
the charcoal is so cheap I've just used it for the first
stage. Our local water really sucks. It's more like
chlorinated pond scum than drinkable water. I showed Viola
where the "reservoir" was for Marcellus water and she
wondered how they got it as clean as they do. If you wash
the car and don't chamois it clean, it looks like hell. The
inside of the clear housing winds up with brown bad smelling
stuff and some clay.
We had spring water for years in our previous house and we
miss it big time. Our neighbors don't know how bad the water
is. Sue had a birthday party for Carl and they had some iced
tea. Damn near choked on it. All you could taste was a
slight trace of tea and the unmistakable chlorine. Yuck.
HD in NY
Ed
Ed
"Lon VanOstran" <rv...@wmconnect.com> wrote in message
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Lon VanOstran
>Ed
That was my thought until Hunter mentioned the black flecks and Summerdale, AL.
I just went out and took my whole house filter apart. It was completely clogged
just as I expected. A new filter will solve my problem. That filter did just
exactly what it was supposed to do. Everything inside is just fine thanks to
my filter.
Lon
Tom J
Now Lon, you know a filter isn't good for anything but to separate you from
your money!! <VBG> ;-)
Tom J
who doesn't stay home/leave home without one - make that 3
Lee Bray
it in the fridge and the chlorine just evaporates out and it tastes OK.
Even tried a Pur filter on the faucet and the water tasted the same so
airing out the water does work!
Just my opinion of course!
--
Lee
"HDinNY" <er...@error.com> wrote in message
Lon VanOstran
>your money!! <VBG> ;-)
>
>Tom J
I knew that. LOL
Lon
Neon John
wrote:
>
>I'm mainly curious, I am flip-flopping between plastic water jugs that can
>be used when traveling, in case of bad water, in case of a filtration/water
>system failure etc. Most of the parks have fine water, so why go thru the
>expense of a filter, whereas for a lot less money, I can just have jugs of
>water for coffee on the road, power failures, and oh yeah... emergency
>flushing! <---- Important, I found out toilets don't work when there is a
>power failure and no water. :)
While living in Pa where the water isn't fit for anything other than fire
fighting and not willing to do like everyone else and buy bottled water, I
developed a taste for distilled water. I bought a 10-gallon-a-day still and
still use it today.
I carry drinking and coffee water in half gallon milk jugs that conveniently
fit in the fridge door shelves. I used to haul along many jugs of water from
my still. After a "DUH", realizing how often I stay at Camp Wallyworlds, now
I simply buy distilled water a couple of gallons at a time as I need it. I
dump it into the 1/2 gallon jugs for convenience. I think Wallyworld's price
is 52 cents a gallon so buying it on the road doesn't break the bank :-)
John
Neon John
>A couple of years ago I was thinking about going to bottled water and
>did some checking with the local bottled water suppliers. I was
>especially interested in the "Spring Water" and asked which spring
>they obtained their water from. The reply! It is city water that is
>run through a filter. Same for the "Drinking Water". We use a filter
>on the coach and if really particular, follow that with a Brita filter
>system.
Not in Georgia and TN, at least. Both states have laws that require water to
come from a spring if it is so labeled. After the law was passed in Georgia
there was a controversy over whether drilling into the aquifer to get more
flow from the spring constituted spring water. The state decided that it did.
There is a major bottling operation in nearby Etowah, TN. Crystal Springs
brand I think. There they drilled and capped a very old spring, much to the
consternation of the local folk who lost a swimming hole. They quit whining
when they learned how well the jobs paid :-)
Neon John
<kerriesber...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Another good thing to get at the depot or lowes etc.. is hose end caps
>in the garden section and a pvc plug (I think it is 3/4in) in the
>plumbing section. You can use these to cap both ends of your drinking
>hoses to keep unwanted substances out.
Why? When you can simply screw the ends together do the same thing. And no
caps to lose.
George Reily
passed through a carbon block filter you are removing the clorine that
kills the bacteria. To be on the safe side, esp. if you don't use the
water within a short period of time, you might want to add clorox as
per:
1 teaspoon bleach per 5 gallons water
16 drops bleach per 1 gallon water
4 drops bleach per 1 quart water
Wait 30 minutes. The water should have a slight chlorine odor. If
not,
repeat dose and wait 15 minutes, then sniff again.
Dosages are according to the Ultra Clorox Co.
SOROBON
>Why? When you can simply screw the ends together do the same thing. And no
>caps to lose.
I drain my hoses and always leave them open, I would think capping them or
screwing the ends together would cause bateria to grow inside the hose. When my
water tank started to smell like rotten eggs I poured a cup of bleach in the
tank and just continued to use the water. I was not drinking the water.
Sorobon
George Reily
Every now and then I put a cap on one end of the hoses and fill them
with a bleach solution. I use a bunch of those green jerry type
plastic containers from wal mart, Fill one of them with bleach
solution and from there I pour the solution one into the other jerry
cans and then into the hoses. Or when I bleach the fresh water tank on
the rig, I empty some of it into the hoses with the outside shower and
a funnel. I have learned to wear my old faded jeans and white shirt
while working with the bleach :-)
HDinNY
snipped
> Every now and then I put a cap on one end of the hoses and fill them
> with a bleach solution. I use a bunch of those green jerry type
> plastic containers from wal mart, Fill one of them with bleach
> solution and from there I pour the solution one into the other jerry
> cans and then into the hoses. Or when I bleach the fresh water tank on
> the rig, I empty some of it into the hoses with the outside shower and
> a funnel. I have learned to wear my old faded jeans and white shirt
> while working with the bleach :-)
Wow, I've had camping and travel trailers for over thirty
years and have never gone to those extremes. Outside of
putting an occasional few drops of some stuff from Camping
World in the fresh tank, I don't worry about the fresh tank
or hoses. I figure the water I put in at home has chlorine
in it and that's enough to "treat" the tank and the hoses in
the park get the over chlorinated bug free stuff the park
doesn't want a law suite over water <g>. But, I guess folks
have to go with what feels comfortable to them.
HD in NY