OT - Chainsaw gas/oil mix question

[bill horne]

Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.

Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.

Note that the manual also says:
CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.

Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I
can't use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1

I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.

So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

[Ralph E Lindberg]

In article <4e723b83$0$13771$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,

Bill you can use the mix at 16:1 just by (roughly) doubling the amount
of oil

Newer chainsaws (like my Husky's) are designed to use the lower oil
ratios. Older chainsaws (like yours) are not

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[K Miller]

"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote in message
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>
> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
> I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?

Go to the source, grasshopper:

http://www.poulan.com/node7930.aspx
1.800.554.6723

[richard]

My poulan chainsaw says to use 3.2 ounces per gallon.
40 times 3.2 = 120.8.
So that's still short of the 128 ounces per gallon.

Buy a quart of the oil and a container with a gauge on it.
Fill first to the 3 ounce mark, then dump that into a gallon of gas.

[bill horne]

Poulan is not really Poulan anymore, and their current saws (for
non-professional use, at least) are pieces of shit - so I thought I'd
start here on the off chance that someone might know something about
2-cycle oils and older chainsaws.

[Hank]

When in doubt, mix a little rich on oil. The worst that can happens is
you foul a plug and block the exhaust screen with carbon. Plugs are
easy to replace and screens are easy to clean.

While the 40:1 will probably give you the same protection if mixed
40:1, you CAN mix it 32:1. I doubt you'll see any difference in
longevity or performance.

Hank

[bill horne]

richard wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:53:08 -0400, bill horne wrote:
>
>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>
>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>
>> Note that the manual also says:
>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>
>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I
>> can't use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>
>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>
>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
>> I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>
> My poulan chainsaw says to use 3.2 ounces per gallon.
> 40 times 3.2 = 120.8.
> So that's still short of the 128 ounces per gallon.

That's an answer - but not to my question. And your math sucks. 40
times 3.2 is exactly 128.

> Buy a quart of the oil and a container with a gauge on it.
> Fill first to the 3 ounce mark, then dump that into a gallon of gas.

[bill horne]

Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> In article<4e723b83$0$13771$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> bill horne<red...@rye.net> wrote:
>
>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>
>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>
>> Note that the manual also says:
>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>
>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I
>> can't use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>
>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>
>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
>> I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>
> Bill you can use the mix at 16:1 just by (roughly) doubling the amount
> of oil
>
> Newer chainsaws (like my Husky's) are designed to use the lower oil
> ratios. Older chainsaws (like yours) are not

Yeah, but the manual says I can use 8 oz of 16:1 or 4 oz of 32:1. This
strongly suggests that oil labeled 16:1 is not the same as oil labeled
32:1. That would imply that I could use 3.2 oz of oil labeled 40:1 -
but this whole thing is confusing me. Thus, my question above.

[Lone Haranguer]

Use it for a boat anchor and buy a Stihl. That sucker is not old, it's
ancient. Just buy some decent 2-cycle oil, mix it at 50:1 and go for it. If
it blows up you'll have an excuse to upgrade.
LZ

[bill horne]

So you're confirming my suspicion that as far as the saw knows:
8 oz of 16:1 oil or
4 oz of 32:1 oil or
3.2 oz of 40:1 oil in one gallon of gas
are all the same thing?

[Lone Haranguer]

Your saw is so ancient that new oils hadn't been invented yet. I had an old
Johnson outboard (1958) that called for 16:1 but using new 2 cycle oils it
purred at 50:1 and suffered no harm. I know a resort owner with 20 outboards
of various ages and no matter what ratio their owners manual called for, he
fed them all the 50:1 mixture and said he'd never had a problem.
LZ

[bill horne]

Let me rephrase the question.
As far as the saw is concerned, are the following all the same thing?
8 oz of 16:1 oil in one gallon of gas
4 oz of 32:1 oil in one gallon of gas

3.2 oz of 40:1 oil in one gallon of gas

[Hank]

On Sep 15, 5:21 pm, bill horne <redy...@rye.net> wrote:

>
> Let me rephrase the question.
> As far as the saw is concerned, are the following all the same thing?
> 8 oz of 16:1 oil in one gallon of gas
> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in one gallon of gas
> 3.2 oz of 40:1 oil in one gallon of gas
>
> --
> bill

Yes. Just different blends of oil additives. Or, just ask your
chainsaw which one it prefers. :-)

Hank

[Hank]

Yep, pretty much. Mix the 4 oz of the 40:1 in 1 gallon of gas. You
won't have any problems. Most of the older 2 strokes used regular
motor oil mixed 20:1 ( 1 qt. into 5 gallons of gas) for lawnboys and
motorcycles.

Hank

[Dean]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:15:50 -0400, bill horne <red...@rye.net>
wrote:

>richard wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:53:08 -0400, bill horne wrote:
>>
>>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>>
>>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>>
>>> Note that the manual also says:
>>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
>>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
>>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>>
>>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I
>>> can't use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>>
>>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>>
>>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
>>> I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>>
>> My poulan chainsaw says to use 3.2 ounces per gallon.
>> 40 times 3.2 = 120.8.
>> So that's still short of the 128 ounces per gallon.
>
>That's an answer - but not to my question. And your math sucks. 40
>times 3.2 is exactly 128.

Richard "the wrong headed" strikes again.

>> Buy a quart of the oil and a container with a gauge on it.
>> Fill first to the 3 ounce mark, then dump that into a gallon of gas.

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Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!

[will sill]

"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote

Unlike some who believe their personal experience (Mexicans, laws and really
big-ass trucks) enables them to speak with great authority, I do not claim
that my chainsaw experience makes me an expert. Even though I currently
have 4 chainsaws and have owned dozens over more than 50 years. The only
thing I'm really sure about is that "Poulan oil" is as meaningless as
"Stihl", "Husqevarna", or genuine imported (?) "Wal*Mart" oil. Always bought
the cheapest. My _opinion_ is that 32:1, 40:1, 50:1 is not an oil spec but
only the ratio of oil to gas, and close is good enough. Not a gasp(!)
surprise, when ya use too much oil they smoke more.

BTW, used engine oil has always worked well for me as bar oil. I try to
avoid getting a lot of sand & sawdust in it, but other than color it works
the same as the Approved [insert brand name] Chainsaw Bar Oil.

Free advice is always worth what ya pay.

Will
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enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." -- Dr. Thomas
Sowell

[Dean]

I used to go to Rocky Point (Puerto Penasco) fishing with a buddy. He
had an old Johnson outboard ~7.5HP IIRC. We were out about 9 miles
when the main motor blew. So we ran the Johnson. That ran out of
oiled gas very shortly and we spent the next 4 hours running it on
regular gas. He continued using it for another 10 years or longer.

[Lone Haranguer]

Probably run on all or any of them using that particular ratio oil. I found
that using newer 2 cycle oils at the old ratios caused fouled plugs. My old
Johnson outboard had instructions for a 16:1 ratio but that was with 30W
non-detergent oil. If I used the new 2 cycle oil at that ratio it would
barely run and then on only one cylinder.

I use the same container of oil for various engines using the mixture
ratios given on the side of the container. It's not 16:1 oil or 40:1 oil,
it's just 2 cycle oil. The same oil can be used if the desired ratio is 50:1
or 100:1.

I suspect that the 40:1 oil is the newest Poulan recipe so probably any new 2
cycle oil could be used at that ratio and it would run fine. Use up those old
oils. I've never used proprietary oils on any of my chain saws.
LZ

[Frank Howell]

Yep to all. The oil is all the same in these smaller bottles, it's the
amount that differs.

--
Frank Howell

[Frank Howell]

bill horne wrote:
> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>
> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>
> Note that the manual also says:
> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>
> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I
> can't use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>
> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.

I believe that the amount of oil in that particular container is the exact
amount you add to one gallon of gas to get a 40:1 ration. If you add less
oil then you get an even higher ration of oil to gas.

>
> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
> I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?

The oil is all the same. It's the amount that makes ratio higher or lower.

--
Frank Howell

[bill horne]

Either you guys are not getting it, or I'm not getting it. How can the
oil be the "same" if I'm supposed to use half as much of one than the
other in the same gallon that's going in the same saw?

[bill horne]

will sill wrote:
> "bill horne"<red...@rye.net> wrote
>
>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>
>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>
>> Note that the manual also says:
>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>
>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I can't
>> use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>
>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>
>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that I
>> should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>
> Unlike some who believe their personal experience (Mexicans, laws and really
> big-ass trucks) enables them to speak with great authority, I do not claim
> that my chainsaw experience makes me an expert. Even though I currently
> have 4 chainsaws and have owned dozens over more than 50 years. The only
> thing I'm really sure about is that "Poulan oil" is as meaningless as
> "Stihl", "Husqevarna", or genuine imported (?) "Wal*Mart" oil. Always bought
> the cheapest. My _opinion_ is that 32:1, 40:1, 50:1 is not an oil spec but
> only the ratio of oil to gas, and close is good enough. Not a gasp(!)
> surprise, when ya use too much oil they smoke more.

Then I'll ask you the revised question:
If "xx:1" is not some kind of oil spec, why does the manual say to use
8 oz of 16:1 oil, but only 4 oz of 32:1 oil in one gallon of gas?

> BTW, used engine oil has always worked well for me as bar oil. I try to

> avoid getting a lot of sand& sawdust in it, but other than color it works

> the same as the Approved [insert brand name] Chainsaw Bar Oil.
>
> Free advice is always worth what ya pay.
>
> Will


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[Max]

"Frank Howell" <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote in message
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My old friend, Bob LaFrance, a retired policeman who also owned a small
engine repair shop during his police career and long afterward, says:
The difference is in the oil. More refined (not in the refinery but in the
development) oils provide the same amount of lubrication in smaller amounts
than the older formulations did.
There is greater "lubricity" (lower friction coefficient) in the newer oils.
Therefore a 32:1 oil will provide the same engine protection as a 16:1 oil
used to.
As an aside, in researching synthetic oils I learned that auto engine
manufacturers are depending somewhat on oil engineers to develop even better
formulations to lower friction in order to provide better mileage figures.
Extrapolation would suggest that the 40:1 oil would work fine at a 3.2 oz
per gallon ratio. But why argue with the manufacturer?
The difference doesn't seem to be great enough to change from a 32:1 ratio.
0.8 of an oz ain't going to kill the engine.

Max

[bill horne]

I'm inclined to agree with that.

> More refined (not in the refinery but in
> the development) oils provide the same amount of lubrication in
> smaller amounts than the older formulations did.
> There is greater "lubricity" (lower friction coefficient) in the newer
> oils. Therefore a 32:1 oil will provide the same engine protection as
> a 16:1 oil used to.

If you'd said that oil labeled 32:1 would provide the same protection
as twice the amount of oil labeled 16:1, I'd be inclined to agree with
you - because the manual says I can use 8 oz of 16:1 OR 4 oz of 32:1.

> As an aside, in researching synthetic oils I learned that auto engine
> manufacturers are depending somewhat on oil engineers to develop even
> better formulations to lower friction in order to provide better
> mileage figures.
> Extrapolation would suggest that the 40:1 oil would work fine at a 3.2
> oz per gallon ratio. But why argue with the manufacturer?
> The difference doesn't seem to be great enough to change from a 32:1
> ratio. 0.8 of an oz ain't going to kill the engine.

Then I'll probably start with 4 oz of the 40:1. If it starts hard,
I'll thin it out some.

And I don't know what mixture the saw actually requires. All the
manual says is that I can use 8 oz of 16:1 oil or 4 oz of 32:1 oil.

[Hank]

On Sep 15, 10:07 pm, "Max" <thesameol...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> My old friend, Bob LaFrance, a retired policeman who also owned a small
> engine repair shop during his police career and long afterward, says:
> The difference is in the oil.  More refined (not in the refinery but in the
> development) oils provide the same amount of lubrication in smaller amounts
> than the older formulations did.
> There is greater "lubricity" (lower friction coefficient) in the newer oils.
> Therefore a 32:1 oil will provide the same engine protection as a 16:1 oil
> used to.
> As an aside, in researching synthetic oils I learned that auto engine
> manufacturers are depending somewhat on oil engineers to develop even better
> formulations to lower friction in order to provide better mileage figures.
> Extrapolation would suggest that the 40:1 oil would work fine at a 3.2 oz
> per gallon ratio.  But why argue with the manufacturer?
> The difference doesn't seem to be great enough to change from a 32:1 ratio.
> 0.8 of an oz ain't going to kill the engine.
>

> Max-

I agree with your friends assessment. The differerence is in the
additives and such (which I said in an earlier post).

I think all these different oils came about when the EPA was trying to
reduce the amount of emissions. And since then, the companies are
putting 4 strokes on everything now. Due to the increased weight of a
4 stroke, you burn more gas but less oil. :-)

Hank

[FMB]

"Evan Platt" <ev...@theobvious.espphotography.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:vsh57755bpqgaivvb...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:55:33 -0400, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>>40 times 3.2 = 120.8.
>

> Holy fuck.
>
> Even your calculator is stupid.

Thanks Evan, now everyone at Gate 32 is looking at me funny for my sudden
outburst of laughter.

FMB

[will sill]

"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote

>>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>>
>>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>>
>>> Note that the manual also says:
>>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
>>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
>>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>>
>>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I can't
>>> use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>>
>>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>>
>>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that I
>>> should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?

Will Chimes in with:

>> Unlike some who believe their personal experience (Mexicans, laws and
>> really
>> big-ass trucks) enables them to speak with great authority, I do not
>> claim
>> that my chainsaw experience makes me an expert. Even though I currently
>> have 4 chainsaws and have owned dozens over more than 50 years. The
>> only
>> thing I'm really sure about is that "Poulan oil" is as meaningless as
>> "Stihl", "Husqevarna", or genuine imported (?) "Wal*Mart" oil. Always
>> bought
>> the cheapest. My _opinion_ is that 32:1, 40:1, 50:1 is not an oil spec
>> but
>> only the ratio of oil to gas, and close is good enough. Not a gasp(!)
>> surprise, when ya use too much oil they smoke more.

bh:

> Then I'll ask you the revised question:
> If "xx:1" is not some kind of oil spec, why does the manual say to use 8
> oz of 16:1 oil, but only 4 oz of 32:1 oil in one gallon of gas?

Like I said, I'm no expert. But I _think_ the manual says that for the same
reason they say to use their house brand. Maybe there's an actual difference
between "16:1" and "32:1" oil - and maybe there isn't. Maybe it is that the
4 oz container is labeled as "32:1" because its a convenient size for a
gallon of gas for those who want a 32:1 mix, etc. (BTW I never recall using
anything like 16:1 except by accident.)

No doubt there is somebody Out There who actually _knows_ an accurate
answer. I am not him, so all I can tell ya is what works for me: When I buy
2-cycle oil, I read the little chart on the bottle to see what they suggest
I oughta use to lube my gas. Over the years it has not varied much. Then I
use the same mixture in all my saws, the rototiller, and the weedwhacker
(before I gave it away and bought SWMBO a battery-powered one). Thankfully
I do not have a boat, a toy airplane, or an old ring-ding Saab.

Will

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It is less likely
to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
(Unk)

[Lone Haranguer]

Evan Platt wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:55:33 -0400, richard<mem...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
>

>> 40 times 3.2 = 120.8.
>

> Holy fuck.
>
> Even your calculator is stupid.
>

> Either that or you're so fucking stupid you can't work a calculator.

Easy now.....maybe the decimal point moved when he wasn't looking.
LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

bill horne wrote:
>
> And I don't know what mixture the saw actually requires. All the manual says
> is that I can use 8 oz of 16:1 oil or 4 oz of 32:1 oil.
>

The advice I gave was 100% accurate. I'm offended that you kept asking when
you had an accurate answer provided. You're hooked on proprietary bullshit
and obsolete oil cans. I overestimated your ability to process the
information I and others gave.
LZ

[Rick Morel]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:06:47 -0400, bill horne <red...@rye.net>
wrote:

>And I don't know what mixture the saw actually requires. All the
>manual says is that I can use 8 oz of 16:1 oil or 4 oz of 32:1 oil.
>
>--
>bill
>Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Bill, hopefully this is the straightforward answer you're looking for.

Your saw actually requires per gallon of gasoline:

8 oz of 16:1

5.33 oz of 24:1

4 oz of 32:1

3.2 oz of 40:1

2.56 oz of 50:1
2.56 oz of 100:1

No, not a typo on the 100:1 oil. 2.56, not 1.28.

The difference _is_ in the oil. 24:1 and 16:1 are the mixes used when
only motor oil was available. Usually 24:1 for water cooled and 16:1
for air cooled. The higher ratios came about as actual 2-cycle oils
were developed and improved.

The 100:1 oils, at 100:1, are kind of iffy unless used in engines that
specifically state they can be used. 50:1 oils are really the
practical limit. Several friends tried the then new and expensive
100:1 oils, at that mix, in ultralights and gyrocopters. Every one of
them soon put all their emergency landing pratice to good use.

Speaking of gyrocopters. The one I built had a 4-cylinder 90 HP
2-cycle engine circa WW II. They were used on target practice drones.
The engine was good for either 25 or 50 hours. I forget which. When
Igor Bensen started using them on gyros, roller bearing kits became
available to up the TBO (Time Before Overhaul) to a couple thousand
hours.

Anyway, the engine manual as near as I can remember stated,"Use 1
quart of 50W aircraft (mineral) oil in 4 gallons of 130 octane
aviation gasoline." a 16:1 mix.

Everyone was using 50:1 oil, at 50:1 and either 100LL (100 octane Low
Lead) av-gas or 93 octane premium auto gas. I put several hundred fun
hours with nary a problem. The av-gas gave a bit better power and
easier starting, but the auto gas worked fine.

Rick

[Ralph E Lindberg]

In article <4e729f10$0$27975$c3e8da3$3863...@news.astraweb.com>,
bill horne <red...@rye.net> wrote:

Technology has changed

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[Frank Howell]

I see it as more then 0.8. The difference that I calculate between 16:1 and
32:1 is 4 oz., which compared to premium chain saws that operate with a 50:1
ratio or 2.6 oz is a lot. I still attribute the difference to the age of the
saw and it's loose tolerances. I could be wrong, but when I buy 2 stroke
oil, I have never seen it marketed by ratio, only by volume. I buy a gallon
at a time as I have 11 small engine outdoors equipment, which 5 are 2 cycle.

Since I have bought by the gallon, I have seen many different brands, major
brands made by the large oil producers to private brands that are just
rebadged majors. They all have the same characteristics in that they meet or
exceed the following specifications: TC-W3TM, NMMA, [API] TC, ISO-L-EGO,
JASO FC.
None of them were marketed by ratio. In fact they all have a ratio chart on
them allowing you to mix the oil to any ratio you desire. So as far as I am
concerned when I buy a gallon of 2 cycle oil I have all the ratios from 1:1
oil to 256:1 or even higher, but of course the ratio used is determined by
the manufacture and in bill's case the manual implies the saw can tolerate
either ratio. If what your friend says is true, then ask him who makes and
who sells the old outdated 16:1 oil and who makes the new improved 32:1 oil.
Just curious.

--
Frank Howell

[Frank Howell]

Because that chainsaw that you have is so old that it was manufactured with,
by todays standards, loose tolerances of the machining. Most 2 cycle engines
made today use a 50:1 ratio. Thats about 2.6 oz to 1 gallon of gas. What you
have is an engine soooo oooold that it can either use 16:1 or 32:1 which
compared to newer manufactured engines is a lot of oil. My Echo chainsaw
along with Stihl and Husqvarna and other premium saws uses a 50:1 mix which
at 2.6 oz is a lot less then 8 oz. Even the POS McCulloch uses a 40:1 ratio.

In other words your saw has enough latitude to operate with either a 16:1 or
32:1 without any repercussions. Well maybe the 16:1 might produce some blue
smoke.

>
>> BTW, used engine oil has always worked well for me as bar oil. I
>> try to avoid getting a lot of sand& sawdust in it, but other than
>> color it works the same as the Approved [insert brand name] Chainsaw
>> Bar Oil. Free advice is always worth what ya pay.
>>
>> Will



--

Frank Howell

[gregz]

Lone Haranguer <linu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> bill horne wrote:
>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>
>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>
>> Note that the manual also says:
>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>
>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I can't use a
>> gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>
>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>
>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that I
>> should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>>

> Use it for a boat anchor and buy a Stihl. That sucker is not old, it's
> ancient. Just buy some decent 2-cycle oil, mix it at 50:1 and go for it.
> If it blows up you'll have an excuse to upgrade.
> LZ

I think my saw uses 40:1
One thing to remember, do not use outboard oil. It should be for air cooled
engines.
I got a stihl blowers, Husqvarna saw, lawn boy, and they all use different
mixes.
Those old 50s,60s, motors specified low ratio mixes mostly because of the
oil type.

Greg

[Lee]

What happens if you use just plain old 30 weight oil? I have a
friend who uses it all the time and has had no problem.

gregz wrote:
> I think my saw uses 40:1
> One thing to remember, do not use outboard oil. It should be for air cooled
> engines.
> I got a stihl blowers, Husqvarna saw, lawn boy, and they all use different
> mixes.
> Those old 50s,60s, motors specified low ratio mixes mostly because of the
> oil type.

--
Lee US Army Retired
2004 Georgie Boy Cruise Master
Skype: lee.g.bray and logitech

[bill horne]

Rick Morel wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:06:47 -0400, bill horne<red...@rye.net>
> wrote:
>
>> And I don't know what mixture the saw actually requires. All the
>> manual says is that I can use 8 oz of 16:1 oil or 4 oz of 32:1 oil.
>>
>> --
>> bill
>> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
>
> Bill, hopefully this is the straightforward answer you're looking for.
>
> Your saw actually requires per gallon of gasoline:
>
> 8 oz of 16:1
> 5.33 oz of 24:1
> 4 oz of 32:1
> 3.2 oz of 40:1
> 2.56 oz of 50:1
> 2.56 oz of 100:1
>
> No, not a typo on the 100:1 oil. 2.56, not 1.28.
>
> The difference _is_ in the oil. 24:1 and 16:1 are the mixes used when
> only motor oil was available. Usually 24:1 for water cooled and 16:1
> for air cooled. The higher ratios came about as actual 2-cycle oils
> were developed and improved.

That all makes sense to me. I found the manual for a Stihl I had back
in the 70's. It says:
-------------------------------------------
When using SAE 30 (non-detergent) motor oil the the correct mixing
ratio is 1:25.

For the Stihl two-stroke motor oil a mixing ratio of 1:40 is sufficient!
-------------------------------------------
(Note that Stihl - or maybe everybody - wrote the ratio the other way
around back in those days)(also note the exclamation point - I guess
Stihl was proud of their oil)

Also back then, I also had a 9.9 Johnson and 2 Evinrude 65's, but I
don't remember the oil itself being labeled as xx:1 or yy:1. It was
just "two-stroke oil", and I mixed it to whatever the engine manual said.

What confused me of late is that most 2-stroke oil now is itself
labeled as xx:1 or yy:1 or zz:1. When I went to buy some oil for my
old Poulan - in which I'd been using 8 oz of oil labeled 16:1 or 4 oz
of oil labeled 32:1 - all I could find was oil labeled 40:1, and the
manual makes no mention of 40:1.

I guess the consensus is that I should use - even in my old saw - 3.2
oz of this 40:1 oil I recently bought. Which is serendipitous since
the bottle comes with a built-in measuring doober for 3.2 oz.

Thanks to all - I think.

[bill horne]

Although I haven't made a career out of searching for 2-stroke oil,
all I've seen around here lately is _labeled_ as 40:1 oil. The oil I
was using until I ran out was _labeled_ as 32:1. Before that, I was
using oil _labeled_ as 16:1. Back in the 70's, I don't remember it
being _labeled_ with any ratio.

[Lone Haranguer]

Huh? I see various brands of oil for 2 cycle engines....mostly in quarts.
There are only a few shops that sell the small bottles with ratios on them.
Those are for the simple-minded who don't understand how to measure the
appropriate amounts and just dump the entire container into a gas can of the
right size.
LZ

[Paul Mann]

On Sep/15/11 12:53 PM, bill horne wrote:
> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>
> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>
> Note that the manual also says:
> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must
> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>
> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I can't
> use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>
> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>

> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that I
> should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>

Good info....

http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/tech/two-stroke-gasoil-ratios-20502.html

Paul Mann

[La...@fishing.net]

Avoid all that confusion. Go to Wal-Mart and buy an electric chainsaw.
--
Larry
Citrus Co. Fl.

[bill horne]

OK. Next question - what gauge does a 1500-ft extension cord need to be?

[Lone Haranguer]

And give that old Poulan to a museum.
LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

bill horne wrote:
> La...@fishing.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:29:22 -0400, bill horne<red...@rye.net> wrote:
>
>>> Thanks to all - I think.
>>
>> Avoid all that confusion. Go to Wal-Mart and buy an electric chainsaw.
>
> OK. Next question - what gauge does a 1500-ft extension cord need to be?
>

The first 200 ft. will cost you as much as a Chicom generator. Go for the
generator.
LZ

[Frank Howell]

bill, I think that the problem is you are buying what I call "convenience"
bottles of 2 cycle oil. By "convenience" I mean the amount in the bottle
when added to one gallon of gas results in one gallon of mixed gas with a
ratio of 128 divided by the bottle amount. There is no manufactured ratio
oil as it is a function of mixing.

I have unused Poulan bottles that are 3.2 oz which would give a 40:1
I also have an Echo bottle that is 2.6 oz which would give a 50:1
But I use a quart bottle filled from my gallon jug that has a convenient
transparent strip down the side with oz markings so that I can measure any
ratio I want depending what ratio the engine manufacture recommends.

--
Frank Howell

[Frank Howell]

Or more politely stated, convenience bottles.
I heard they're sold mostly in the South to the banjo players.

--
Frank Howell

[bill horne]

That doesn't explain why the manual requires an 8 oz convenience can
of 16:1 OR a 4 oz convenience bottle of 32:1. About the only thing
that explains that is that oil labeled 16:1 is different from oil
labeled 32:1.

> I have unused Poulan bottles that are 3.2 oz which would give a 40:1
> I also have an Echo bottle that is 2.6 oz which would give a 50:1
> But I use a quart bottle filled from my gallon jug that has a convenient
> transparent strip down the side with oz markings so that I can measure any
> ratio I want depending what ratio the engine manufacture recommends.

As I think I said elsewhere, the manual does not mention _engine_
ratio. The mixing picture in the manual shows a picture of an 8 oz can
of "16:1 Ratio Engine Oil" and a picture of a 4 0z bottle of "32:1
Ratio Engine Oil", with "-OR-" between the pictures.

If 8 oz of 16:1 oil or 4 oz of 32:1 oil equals "Correct Fuel Mix",
doesn't that indicate the oils are different?

[bill horne]

Isn't the Chicom a 2-stroke - and I'm right back where I started?

[Lone Haranguer]

That's what people have been trying to tell you. The 2 cycle oils have
greatly improved their lubrication abilities over the years. The same engine
that had a 16:1 ratio of 30W (non-detergent) oil will run fine on the current
2 cycle stuff at 50:1.
LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

Yahbut it will have a current manual not something scribbled on papyrus using
oil squeezed from camel gonads.
LZ

[bill horne]

But that's out of the old manual that came with the old saw. That was
what it said back before "over the years" happened. So even in papyrus
days, the oils were apparently different.

[Lone Haranguer]

There ya go. The sun has riz! The newer oils lube better than the old ones
because of the viscosity abilities. Your saw will appreciate the new stuff,
especially the spark plugs.
LZ

[Frank Howell]

Possible or it could indicate the engine has a tolerance range of 16 to 32.

--
Frank Howell

[will sill]

"Frank Howell" <fpho...@usermail.com> wrote

> bill, I think that the problem is you are buying what I call "convenience"
> bottles of 2 cycle oil. By "convenience" I mean the amount in the bottle
> when added to one gallon of gas results in one gallon of mixed gas with a
> ratio of 128 divided by the bottle amount. There is no manufactured ratio
> oil as it is a function of mixing.
>
> I have unused Poulan bottles that are 3.2 oz which would give a 40:1
> I also have an Echo bottle that is 2.6 oz which would give a 50:1
> But I use a quart bottle filled from my gallon jug that has a convenient
> transparent strip down the side with oz markings so that I can measure any
> ratio I want depending what ratio the engine manufacture recommends.

I think Frank is basically right, though we could both be wrong. There is
probably merit to the theories about newer engines, newer oil formulations,
etc, but in the practical world where bh normally lives I'm pretty sure
he'll have no trouble with the theory that "There is no manufactured ratio

oil as it is a function of mixing."

Will, no expert

[bill horne]

Well, I do have trouble with that theory. When the saw book calls for
twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled
32:1, the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are
different.

[will sill]

"bill horne" <red...@rye.net> wrote

>> "Frank Howell"<fpho...@usermail.com> wrote
>>
>>> bill, I think that the problem is you are buying what I call
>>> "convenience"
>>> bottles of 2 cycle oil. By "convenience" I mean the amount in the bottle
>>> when added to one gallon of gas results in one gallon of mixed gas with
>>> a
>>> ratio of 128 divided by the bottle amount. There is no manufactured
>>> ratio
>>> oil as it is a function of mixing.
>>>
>>> I have unused Poulan bottles that are 3.2 oz which would give a 40:1
>>> I also have an Echo bottle that is 2.6 oz which would give a 50:1
>>> But I use a quart bottle filled from my gallon jug that has a convenient
>>> transparent strip down the side with oz markings so that I can measure
>>> any
>>> ratio I want depending what ratio the engine manufacture recommends.

Will opined:

>> I think Frank is basically right, though we could both be wrong. There
>> is
>> probably merit to the theories about newer engines, newer oil
>> formulations,
>> etc, but in the practical world where bh normally lives I'm pretty sure
>> he'll have no trouble with the theory that "There is no manufactured
>> ratio
>> oil as it is a function of mixing."

bh:

> Well, I do have trouble with that theory. When the saw book calls for
> twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled 32:1,
> the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are different.

None of the advice offered should be considered definitive for your urgent
situation. If your saw smokes, chokes or seizes entirely while following my
advice, tough. The best I would offer you in the event of disaster is the
loan of some sympathy. As to your "trouble" with labels, all I gotta say is
that one clear sign of maturity is in knowing whose problem is whose.

Will

[Frank Howell]

Ok, after looking at the manual I agree as they state that "If you use a
32:1 fuel mix you must use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or
engine damge can occur. Do not use a fuel mix leaner then 32:1"

The problem with that is the only 2 cycle engine oil they sell is labled
40:1 oil. Since they don't manufacture that oil anymore the the only other
other choice according to the manual is to mix gas with a 16:1 ratio and
according to their manual you can use Poulan 16:1 engine oil or any other
good grade 16:1 air-cooled 2-cycle engine oil. But once again if the context
is the same, no one sells 2-cycle engine oil that is only designed to be
mixed at a ratio of 16:1. NO ONE. That's because ratios are a function of
math and not quality and all brands of 2-cycle engine oil have charts on
them to mix any ratio you want unless it's one of those convenient bottls
that when mixed with one gallon of gas it give you a ratio mixture of 128

divided by the bottle amount.

I won't say that their manual is baffle gab as there might have been a
genuine reason for making a premium oil for a 32:1 mix or conversely they
might have used an inferior oil for the 16:1 mix but the Manuel is old
enough that the illustration shows that you use regular gasoline( leaded or
unleaded) which of course is not doable today. So I would go with the
recommendations that others have suggested and go on the assumption that all
2-cycle engine oil manufactured today is superior to what Poulan sold back
in the old days.

By the way do you remember if you bought genuine weed eater poulan 32:1
engine oil in the past or is your remember full?


--
Frank Howell

[Lone Haranguer]

bill horne wrote:

When the saw book calls for twice as
> much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled 32:1, the only
> explanation I can see so far is that the oils are different.
>

That's because they are. Head for Wally World and buy the cheapest 2 cycle
oil on the shelf.
Take it home, mix it 50:1 and feed it to that ancient Poulan. If it blows up,
what have you lost?
LZ

[bill horne]

Unleaded gasoline is doable, and I'm also using gas that claims to be
ethanol-free. 87 octane.

> So I would go with the
> recommendations that others have suggested and go on the assumption that all
> 2-cycle engine oil manufactured today is superior to what Poulan sold back
> in the old days.

So does that mean you recommend that I use 3.2 oz of new oil _labeled_
at 40:1 - or that I should use 4 oz? Or does it not make shit whether
I use 3.2 oz or 4 oz?

> By the way do you remember if you bought genuine weed eater poulan 32:1
> engine oil in the past or is your remember full?

All I remember is that I started out using Chevron 2-cycle oil from a
quart bottle - because I had some. I don't think it had a ratio label
on the bottle, but I do think it had a mixing chart on the back. I
don't remember the oz/gal mix that I used. The Chevron was left over
from my outboard days, and I don't even remember the mix ratio I used
then.

At the moment, I'm in possession of:

#1 - One 8-oz can of "Mallard Creek 16:1 2-Cycle Engine Oil" bought an
unknown number of years ago. A chart on the back of the can says:
MIXING PROPORTIONS
USE GALLONS
16:1 1
32:1 2
50:1 3

#2 - Two 8-oz bottles of "Poulan PRO DuraGuard 2-cycle Engine Oil
40:1" bought several years ago. The back of the bottle says:
"Mix the contents of this bottle with 2.5 gallons of gasoline"

#3 - One 3.2-oz bottle of "Poulan PoulanPRO WEED EATER SYNTHETIC BLEND
2 STROKE ENGINE OIL 40:1" bought a month or so ago. The back side says:
"Mix contents of this bottle with 1 gallon of gasoline"

#4 - One 19.6-oz bottle of "Poulan WEEDEATER 2 STROKE ENGINE OIL 40:1"
bought a week or so ago.
This bottle has a built-in 3.2 oz measuring chamber, and the back of
the bottle says to mix contents of chamber with one gallon of gasoline.

[JerryD(upstateNY)]

"bill horne" wrote in message ............Well, I do have trouble with that

theory.
When the saw book calls for twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does
for an oil labeled
32:1, the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are different.

If you are bothered by how much oil to use, I'd lean toward the richer
mixture.
If you use too much oil, the chainsaw will smoke and foul spark plugs, but
the engine will be fine.
If you use too little oil, the engine will seize up and the saw will be
junk.

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

[bill horne]

Lone Haranguer wrote:
> bill horne wrote:
>
> When the saw book calls for twice as
>> much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled 32:1, the
>> only
>> explanation I can see so far is that the oils are different.
>>
> That's because they are. Head for Wally World and buy the cheapest 2
> cycle oil on the shelf.

I've already got more various 2-cycle oils than I know what to do with.

> Take it home, mix it 50:1 and feed it to that ancient Poulan. If it
> blows up, what have you lost?

I'd lose the ancient Poulan - which has been a better saw than the two
Stihls before it. However, it looks like the new Poulans are POS's.

[bill horne]

I'm on board with that (Gasp!) theory.

[Lone Haranguer]

I've never owned a Poulan so I can't compare...but the 2 Stihls I owned were
the best of a variety of saws I HAVE owned and both are still used heavily
every year here on the farm. They are both over 20 years old.....and a lot of
wood gets burned through a Minisoda winter.
LZ

[Rick Morel]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:16:13 -0400, bill horne <red...@rye.net>
wrote:

>will sill wrote:
>>
>> I think Frank is basically right, though we could both be wrong. There is
>> probably merit to the theories about newer engines, newer oil formulations,
>> etc, but in the practical world where bh normally lives I'm pretty sure
>> he'll have no trouble with the theory that "There is no manufactured ratio
>> oil as it is a function of mixing."
>
>Well, I do have trouble with that theory. When the saw book calls for
>twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled
>32:1, the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are
>different.

When the book was written, it apparently was back at the beginning of
2-cyle oils. The 16:1 oil was 30W Non-detergent motor oil. The 32:1
was likely the first "improved" oil designed for use in 2-cyle
engines.

I'm sure it's safe to say that today's 2-cyle oils are all "50:1".

With today's lawsuit-crazy USA, the manufacturer will put a chart on
the container, showing the amount of oil to use for the different
ratios. This way if someone has an engine that calls for 16:1 and uses
a 50:1 ratio, they can't sue the oil manufacturer for any damage to
the engine, claiming it was caused by their 50:1 oil.

It won't hurt to mix the "50:1" oil 32:1, or even 16:1 if you're
concerned. If you want to save a bit, buy some cheap 30W oil from a
Dollar store (Same as Poulan 16:1 oil) and mix it 16:1. You're not
concerned with it breaking down or contamination as in a 4-cyle - It's
just going to go trough the engine in a fraction of a second and come
out the exhaust.


I just have to close with another story. In the 80's when Slick 50
Aviation came out, a group would gather aircraft owners together and
do a demo. They would drain the oil out of the engine; crank it up;
take off and fly a pattern to show how great it was.

At one of their really big demos, after the pattern, an old WW II
pilot walked up and stated that could be done without the Slick 50
treatment; the oil film would be suffient. When he got an argument
from the Slick 50 group, he asked them to tow his Cessna 172 over and
drain the oil. He took off and made a pattern with no bad results.

That pretty much put an end to the demos.

Rick

[Lone Haranguer]

I found that mixing the new 50:1 oil at 16:1 resulted in an outboard that
barely ran due to wet plugs. I was camping one weekend when two young fellers
nearby were trying to get an old outboard going. It would fire and sputter
but die as soon as the throttle was opened up. After a few hours of this I
went over and offered my assistance. It was an old motor that belonged to
one's father and he had warned them it used a 16:1 mixture. They were using
the new 50:1 oil and I explained what their problem was and how to remedy it.
They ran to town, purchased a quart of 30W non-detergent oil, mixed it at
16:1 and the motor ran perfectly.

Every once in a while those of us who grew up with older machinery can be useful.

I recall helping a group of young college girls on a camp out who were using
an old gasoline cook stove and were trying to get it going on the new lantern
fuel. It was designed to run on "white" gas. I donated some unleaded gas and
it worked perfectly. Of course they had never heard of "white" gas which was
once sold from separate pumps at a few filling stations.
LZ

[Frank Howell]

Since you violated the warrenty long ago with that Chevron crap instead of
the genuine real McCoy and due to the age of that saw, I would try a mix of
32:1 with any of the above and let 'er rip. 4 oz in one gallon or 8 oz in 2
gallons. Ifen it smokes then I would use a 40:1 mix.
By the way where is the "Mallard Creek" oil company?

--
Frank Howell

[Frank Howell]

That's why Poulan itself declares those saws for "occasional use" and not
for "all occasions"

--
Frank Howell

[bill horne]

Rick Morel wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:16:13 -0400, bill horne<red...@rye.net>
> wrote:
>
>> will sill wrote:
>>>
>>> I think Frank is basically right, though we could both be wrong. There is
>>> probably merit to the theories about newer engines, newer oil formulations,
>>> etc, but in the practical world where bh normally lives I'm pretty sure
>>> he'll have no trouble with the theory that "There is no manufactured ratio
>>> oil as it is a function of mixing."
>>
>> Well, I do have trouble with that theory. When the saw book calls for
>> twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled
>> 32:1, the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are
>> different.
>
> When the book was written, it apparently was back at the beginning of
> 2-cyle oils. The 16:1 oil was 30W Non-detergent motor oil. The 32:1
> was likely the first "improved" oil designed for use in 2-cyle
> engines.
>
> I'm sure it's safe to say that today's 2-cyle oils are all "50:1".

May be - but the bottle (19.6 oz) I recently bought was labeled 40:1.

[PaulT]

"Lone Haranguer" <linu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9df62l...@mid.individual.net...
> bill horne wrote:
>> Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>> In article<4e723b83$0$13771$c3e8da3$9b4f...@news.astraweb.com>,

>>> bill horne<red...@rye.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chainsaw is an old Poulan 2800.
>>>>
>>>> Manual says to use 8 oz of 16:1 oil in a gallon, or
>>>> 4 oz of 32:1 oil in a gallon.
>>>>
>>>> Note that the manual also says:

>>>> CAUTION: If you use a 32:1 fuel mix, you must

>>>> use genuine Poulan/Weed Eater 32:1 Engine Oil or

>>>> engine damage can occur. Do not use a gasoline/oil
>>>> mix with a greater ratio than 32:1.
>>>>
>>>> Note that that does Not say that I can't use 40:1 oil - it says I
>>>> can't use a gas/oil *mix* greater than 32:1
>>>>
>>>> I have Poulan oil labeled at 40:1.
>>>>

>>>> So does this mean I should mix the 40:1 at 3.2 oz per gallon - or that
>>>> I should look harder for some 32:1 or 16:1 oil?
>>>

>>> Bill you can use the mix at 16:1 just by (roughly) doubling the amount
>>> of oil
>>>
>>> Newer chainsaws (like my Husky's) are designed to use the lower oil
>>> ratios. Older chainsaws (like yours) are not
>>
>> Yeah, but the manual says I can use 8 oz of 16:1 or 4 oz of 32:1. This
>> strongly suggests that oil labeled 16:1 is not the same as oil labeled
>> 32:1.
>> That would imply that I could use 3.2 oz of oil labeled 40:1 - but this
>> whole
>> thing is confusing me. Thus, my question above.
>>
> Your saw is so ancient that new oils hadn't been invented yet. I had an
> old Johnson outboard (1958) that called for 16:1 but using new 2 cycle
> oils it purred at 50:1 and suffered no harm. I know a resort owner with
> 20 outboards of various ages and no matter what ratio their owners manual
> called for, he fed them all the 50:1 mixture and said he'd never had a
> problem.
> LZ

I've been using 50:1 in everything for several years with no ill effects (so
far).

Paul

[Hank]

On Sep 18, 1:16 pm, bill horne <redy...@rye.net> wrote:

>
> Well, I do have trouble with that theory. When the saw book calls for
> twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled
> 32:1, the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are
> different.
>
> --
> bill

How are they different? If you mix 32 ounces gasoline to 1 ounce oil,
that is a 32:1 ratio and you end up with a quart of gas plus an ounce
of oil. But if you need 32 ounces of gas and a 16:1 ratio, you'd have
to use twice as much oil, or 2 ounces to get the 16:1 ratio, The oils
are the same.

Now, just dump some oil in the damn thing. :-)

Hank

[bill horne]

Hank wrote:
> On Sep 18, 1:16 pm, bill horne<redy...@rye.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I do have trouble with that theory. When the saw book calls for
>> twice as much of an oil labeled 16:1 as it does for an oil labeled
>> 32:1, the only explanation I can see so far is that the oils are
>> different.
>>
>> --
>> bill
>
>
> How are they different?

I just told you.

> If you mix 32 ounces gasoline to 1 ounce oil,
> that is a 32:1 ratio and you end up with a quart of gas plus an ounce
> of oil. But if you need 32 ounces of gas and a 16:1 ratio, you'd have
> to use twice as much oil, or 2 ounces to get the 16:1 ratio, The oils
> are the same.
>
> Now, just dump some oil in the damn thing. :-)
>
> Hank

[Steve Barker]

just use stihl lo ash oil, mixed 50:1 and forget it. you could have
purchased three good saws for the time wasted here.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[Bob]

In article <v2de77dobgqo8s4d1...@4ax.com>,
rmorel@m*o*r*e*l*r.com says...
>
<snip>

> At one of their really big demos, after the pattern, an old WW II
> pilot walked up and stated that could be done without the Slick 50
> treatment; the oil film would be suffient. When he got an argument
> from the Slick 50 group, he asked them to tow his Cessna 172 over and
> drain the oil. He took off and made a pattern with no bad results.
>
> That pretty much put an end to the demos.
>
> Rick

ROTFLMAO!

Bob