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Technobarbarian
Apr 24, 2012, 11:54:01 AM4/24/12
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This one is fun because it's a great example of tone deafness. Sheriff
Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling the
same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without identifying
their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/04/23/20120423babeu-ads-raise-politicking-questions.html
"Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu's new campaign ads for Congress feature at
least six of his Sheriff's Office employees praising his conservative
values.
By using the subordinates in the two 30-second spots, Babeu may have
violated federal law that restricts elected officials from using their
official resources to help campaigns, even if the employees volunteered.
video Watch Paul Babeu's ads: Part 1 | Part 2
But Babeu's campaign consultant says he doesn't believe the campaign erred
by filming the employees, because they volunteered to appear on their
personal time. He argues that the ads, unveiled Monday, will help voters
learn about Babeu from people who know him well.
Most of the employees are top Pinal County Sheriff's Office managers and
staunch allies of Babeu's, including community-relations Director Cheryl
Chase and several deputies.
Babeu and Chase, along with other top sheriff's aides, are targets of an
investigation by the U.S. Office of Special Counsel, which is looking into
possible violations of the Hatch Act. The federal agency, which opened its
inquiry in December, subpoenaed records and laptops from Pinal County this
month, looking for records linked to Babeu's campaign for a seat in
Arizona's 4th Congressional District.
The Hatch Act makes it illegal for certain government workers to participate
in political activities.
Ann O'Hanlon, a spokeswoman for the Office of Special Counsel, said
featuring employees in campaign ads likely would violate the same law
because it could be seen as coercion.
Even if the employees volunteered, "when somebody is a subordinate, they're
a subordinate. They don't really have free will. They do something because
you're the boss."
She said if a full investigation of the ads were launched, the details would
be teased out. "(But) it's very difficult for a boss to have some sort of a
favor done by an employee without it having an element of coercion because
that boss has power over you."
Under the heading "Use of authority/coercion" on its website for state and
local employees, the Office of Special Counsel tells elected officials that
it is not acceptable to ask underlings to help on campaigns.
"Because it is inherently coercive for a supervisor to ask a subordinate
employee to contribute to a political cause, the Hatch Act would prohibit an
elected official from asking subordinate employees to help or contribute to"
his or her re-election campaign, the site says.
Chris DeRose, Babeu's campaign consultant, also pointed to the Office of
Special Counsel's website in defending Babeu's use of employees, saying,
"Nobody in the ad was a federal employee, much less a 'more restricted'
federal employee."
He initially cited a page of the website with instructions guiding federal
employees. When told there was a separate page dealing with state and local
employees, DeRose said he still did not see a problem.
Many of the employees who appeared in the ads stood beside Babeu, and in
some cases spoke in support of him, at a news conference in February. At
that time, Babeu admitted he was gay and said he had exchanged suggestive
photos with a former boyfriend but denied ever threatening the man with
deportation to keep their relationship secret.
The two ads running on television show a range of employees and other people
vouching for the sheriff's commitment to lower taxes, border security and
support of small businesses.
"Paul Babeu has served our country in uniform and as a sheriff, and I trust
him," Pinal County jail official Jayme Valenzuela says in one ad.
"I trust Paul Babeu to do the right thing," Chase says. In another ad, she
says, "Paul's always been pro-life. I like that."
Both Valenzuela and Chase were at the news conference.
None of the employees is in uniform in the ads. No names or titles are
given. And nothing distinguishes the employees from a Pinal County
businessman, a personal friend and other people who appear.
DeRose said it isn't misleading to viewers that the employees aren't
identified."
[snip]
The claim that Babeu has always been "pro-life" is a flat out lie. He's
been in politics since he was a teenager and has publically changed his
position several times.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/paul_babeu_falsely_claims_hes.php
Meanwhile, across the border in Maricopa county:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/joe-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate_n_1447801.html
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio plans to release new findings in his
ongoing investigation of President Obama's birth certificate, which he
believes is a forgery.
In an interview with birther-friendly website World Net Daily, the
self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff" in America said he would soon hold a
press conference to reveal new evidence that he believes will prove that
Obama's birth certificate and Selective Service documenation are
fabrications.
Arpaio, who is currently the subject of a Department of Justice probe
investigating charges of racial profiling against Hispanics within his
office, told the website that he has no intention of leaving his post, even
as he faces a federal trial.
"I have no intention of resigning," Arpaio said. "They forget I have a four
decades-long career in federal law enforcement."
[snip]
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/sheriff_joe_arpaio_should_be_c.php
Phil Gordon, Paul Charlton, Rick Romley and Terry Goddard sent a letter to
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder today asking him to have Sheriff Joe
Arpaio charged for abusing his power.
Gordon's a former Phoenix mayor; Charlton's a former Arizona U.S. Attorney;
Romley's a former Maricopa County Attorney, and Goddard's a former Arizona
Attorney General.
The ex-mayor and ex-prosecutors point out that when a state Supreme Court's
disciplinary panel disbarred former County Attorney Andrew Thomas last week,
it linked Arpaio as his partner in crime -- literally.
[snip]
TB
Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling the
same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without identifying
their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/04/23/20120423babeu-ads-raise-politicking-questions.html
"Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu's new campaign ads for Congress feature at
least six of his Sheriff's Office employees praising his conservative
values.
By using the subordinates in the two 30-second spots, Babeu may have
violated federal law that restricts elected officials from using their
official resources to help campaigns, even if the employees volunteered.
video Watch Paul Babeu's ads: Part 1 | Part 2
But Babeu's campaign consultant says he doesn't believe the campaign erred
by filming the employees, because they volunteered to appear on their
personal time. He argues that the ads, unveiled Monday, will help voters
learn about Babeu from people who know him well.
Most of the employees are top Pinal County Sheriff's Office managers and
staunch allies of Babeu's, including community-relations Director Cheryl
Chase and several deputies.
Babeu and Chase, along with other top sheriff's aides, are targets of an
investigation by the U.S. Office of Special Counsel, which is looking into
possible violations of the Hatch Act. The federal agency, which opened its
inquiry in December, subpoenaed records and laptops from Pinal County this
month, looking for records linked to Babeu's campaign for a seat in
Arizona's 4th Congressional District.
The Hatch Act makes it illegal for certain government workers to participate
in political activities.
Ann O'Hanlon, a spokeswoman for the Office of Special Counsel, said
featuring employees in campaign ads likely would violate the same law
because it could be seen as coercion.
Even if the employees volunteered, "when somebody is a subordinate, they're
a subordinate. They don't really have free will. They do something because
you're the boss."
She said if a full investigation of the ads were launched, the details would
be teased out. "(But) it's very difficult for a boss to have some sort of a
favor done by an employee without it having an element of coercion because
that boss has power over you."
Under the heading "Use of authority/coercion" on its website for state and
local employees, the Office of Special Counsel tells elected officials that
it is not acceptable to ask underlings to help on campaigns.
"Because it is inherently coercive for a supervisor to ask a subordinate
employee to contribute to a political cause, the Hatch Act would prohibit an
elected official from asking subordinate employees to help or contribute to"
his or her re-election campaign, the site says.
Chris DeRose, Babeu's campaign consultant, also pointed to the Office of
Special Counsel's website in defending Babeu's use of employees, saying,
"Nobody in the ad was a federal employee, much less a 'more restricted'
federal employee."
He initially cited a page of the website with instructions guiding federal
employees. When told there was a separate page dealing with state and local
employees, DeRose said he still did not see a problem.
Many of the employees who appeared in the ads stood beside Babeu, and in
some cases spoke in support of him, at a news conference in February. At
that time, Babeu admitted he was gay and said he had exchanged suggestive
photos with a former boyfriend but denied ever threatening the man with
deportation to keep their relationship secret.
The two ads running on television show a range of employees and other people
vouching for the sheriff's commitment to lower taxes, border security and
support of small businesses.
"Paul Babeu has served our country in uniform and as a sheriff, and I trust
him," Pinal County jail official Jayme Valenzuela says in one ad.
"I trust Paul Babeu to do the right thing," Chase says. In another ad, she
says, "Paul's always been pro-life. I like that."
Both Valenzuela and Chase were at the news conference.
None of the employees is in uniform in the ads. No names or titles are
given. And nothing distinguishes the employees from a Pinal County
businessman, a personal friend and other people who appear.
DeRose said it isn't misleading to viewers that the employees aren't
identified."
[snip]
The claim that Babeu has always been "pro-life" is a flat out lie. He's
been in politics since he was a teenager and has publically changed his
position several times.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/paul_babeu_falsely_claims_hes.php
Meanwhile, across the border in Maricopa county:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/joe-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate_n_1447801.html
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio plans to release new findings in his
ongoing investigation of President Obama's birth certificate, which he
believes is a forgery.
In an interview with birther-friendly website World Net Daily, the
self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff" in America said he would soon hold a
press conference to reveal new evidence that he believes will prove that
Obama's birth certificate and Selective Service documenation are
fabrications.
Arpaio, who is currently the subject of a Department of Justice probe
investigating charges of racial profiling against Hispanics within his
office, told the website that he has no intention of leaving his post, even
as he faces a federal trial.
"I have no intention of resigning," Arpaio said. "They forget I have a four
decades-long career in federal law enforcement."
[snip]
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/04/sheriff_joe_arpaio_should_be_c.php
Phil Gordon, Paul Charlton, Rick Romley and Terry Goddard sent a letter to
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder today asking him to have Sheriff Joe
Arpaio charged for abusing his power.
Gordon's a former Phoenix mayor; Charlton's a former Arizona U.S. Attorney;
Romley's a former Maricopa County Attorney, and Goddard's a former Arizona
Attorney General.
The ex-mayor and ex-prosecutors point out that when a state Supreme Court's
disciplinary panel disbarred former County Attorney Andrew Thomas last week,
it linked Arpaio as his partner in crime -- literally.
[snip]
TB
richard
Apr 24, 2012, 12:47:39 PM4/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:54:01 -0700, Technobarbarian wrote:
> This one is fun because it's a great example of tone deafness. Sheriff
> Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling the
> same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
> PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without identifying
> their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
>
Big joke. If you looked hard enough, I'll bet you'll find a dozen or more
> This one is fun because it's a great example of tone deafness. Sheriff
> Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling the
> same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
> PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without identifying
> their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
>
sheriff's in every state doing the same damn thing.
They're picking on Babeu because of his "gay" life style.
Oh and I'll bet we can even find a few US Senators who do the same thing.
Not to mention governors.
Maybe even the guy we call President has done it? Nahhh. We all know he's
such a choir boy and can do no wrong.
richard
Apr 24, 2012, 1:07:11 PM4/24/12
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:54:01 -0700, Technobarbarian wrote:
> This one is fun because it's a great example of tone deafness. Sheriff
> Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling the
> same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
> PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without identifying
> their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
>
http://www.osc.gov/haStateLocalfaq.htm
> Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling the
> same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
> PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without identifying
> their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
>
Now that I've read this FAQ on the hatch act, I am undersanding why they're
going after him.
It is mainly because he is using his official title as "sheriff" as an
incluence thing. The hatch act says no you can't do that.
If he were campaigning for sheriff, then it would be allowed.
Technobarbarian
Apr 24, 2012, 7:34:24 PM4/24/12
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"richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:177936uwj7eot.6x5mkf7cxrlk$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:54:01 -0700, Technobarbarian wrote:
>
>> This one is fun because it's a great example of tone deafness.
>> Sheriff
>> Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling
>> the
>> same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
>> PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without
>> identifying
>> their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
>>
>
> Big joke. If you looked hard enough, I'll bet you'll find a dozen or more
> sheriff's in every state doing the same damn thing.
Name just one. One of the reasons his ads are particularly tone deaf
>
>> This one is fun because it's a great example of tone deafness.
>> Sheriff
>> Paul is apparently so short of supporters that he's regularly recycling
>> the
>> same people. His latest campaign ads present subordinates, including the
>> PCSO's community-relations Director as ordinary citizens without
>> identifying
>> their relationships with Sheriff Paul.
>>
>
> Big joke. If you looked hard enough, I'll bet you'll find a dozen or more
> sheriff's in every state doing the same damn thing.
is that he's already under investigation for Hatch Act violations. Under the
circumstances you would expect a reasonable person to be a bit more careful.
If you're a serious candidate how hard can it be to find credible people to
speak in your favor? If he's proud of these endorsements why not identify
the people who are making them?
> They're picking on Babeu because of his "gay" life style.
> Oh and I'll bet we can even find a few US Senators who do the same thing.
> Not to mention governors.
doing this.
>
> Maybe even the guy we call President has done it? Nahhh. We all know he's
> such a choir boy and can do no wrong.
One of the fascinating things about this little Greek tragedy is the
> Maybe even the guy we call President has done it? Nahhh. We all know he's
> such a choir boy and can do no wrong.
way everyone is dancing around Sheriff Paul's sexual orientation--including
Sheriff Paul. He avoids saying anything about it on camera or at campaign
events here, but when he's talking to gay friendly organizations elsewhere
he says he's going to make gay rights his top priority. Right this minute
he's preparing for a fund raising event in Washington DC sponsored by the
Log Cabin Republicans. $1,000 for PACs, $500 for individuals or $250 for
young professionals.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/gay-republican-group-fundraises-for-controversial
Even though this is an important fund raising event for him there's no
mention of it on his campaign website--zero, zip, none.
http://www.sheriffpaul.com/
I wouldn't get too worried about any of this. Sheriff Paul isn't
going to Congress. He's in a three way race for the Republican nomination in
a very conservative district. Regardless of his sexual orientation the very
public picture of him with a hard-on is not working in his favor and that's
only one of several problems that go way beyond his sexual orientation.
TB
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Don Lampson
Apr 24, 2012, 11:32:16 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 24, 4:34 pm, "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-
> http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/gay-republican-group-fundrai...
when Lardass was sticking up for "The Sheriff", saying all that stuff
was just nasty rumors, spread by liberals? Booby had to give him a
cyber-elbow in the ribs! He finally clammed up... HawHawHaw!
Sheriff Paul is phony as a three dollar bill, and probably "in a heap
of trouble"? I suspect Sheriff Joe taking on the case of Obama's
forged birth certificate will be the end of him as well? Your Arizona
nutters are every bit as crazy as the ones we have out here in
Commiefornia!
D.L. Bilderberger
>
> Even though this is an important fund raising event for him there's no
> mention of it on his campaign website--zero, zip, none.
>
> http://www.sheriffpaul.com/
>
> I wouldn't get too worried about any of this. Sheriff Paul isn't
> going to Congress. He's in a three way race for the Republican nomination in
> a very conservative district. Regardless of his sexual orientation the very
> public picture of him with a hard-on is not working in his favor and that's
> only one of several problems that go way beyond his sexual orientation.
>
> TB
Notice that Sheriff Paul has lost all his supporters here. Remember
> Even though this is an important fund raising event for him there's no
> mention of it on his campaign website--zero, zip, none.
>
> http://www.sheriffpaul.com/
>
> I wouldn't get too worried about any of this. Sheriff Paul isn't
> going to Congress. He's in a three way race for the Republican nomination in
> a very conservative district. Regardless of his sexual orientation the very
> public picture of him with a hard-on is not working in his favor and that's
> only one of several problems that go way beyond his sexual orientation.
>
> TB
when Lardass was sticking up for "The Sheriff", saying all that stuff
was just nasty rumors, spread by liberals? Booby had to give him a
cyber-elbow in the ribs! He finally clammed up... HawHawHaw!
Sheriff Paul is phony as a three dollar bill, and probably "in a heap
of trouble"? I suspect Sheriff Joe taking on the case of Obama's
forged birth certificate will be the end of him as well? Your Arizona
nutters are every bit as crazy as the ones we have out here in
Commiefornia!
D.L. Bilderberger
Technobarbarian
Apr 25, 2012, 12:04:51 AM4/25/12
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"Don Lampson" <film...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dd545d54-fc21-4517...@n5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
sudden--silence--except for richard of all people.
> Sheriff Paul is phony as a three dollar bill, and probably "in a heap
> of trouble"? I suspect Sheriff Joe taking on the case of Obama's
> forged birth certificate will be the end of him as well? Your Arizona
> nutters are every bit as crazy as the ones we have out here in
> Commiefornia!
"Maricopa County Treasurer Charles "Hos" Hoskins wants something simple from
the elected county officials who are looking for a big "pain and suffering"
payout from taxpayers.
Prove it.
Verify that the claims these elected officials are seeking -- in the case of
Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox, $975,000 -- are justified.
Declaring he has no intention of serving as a "rubber stamp" for county
administrators, Hoskins has asked County Attorney Bill Montgomery for a
legal opinion regarding what, exactly, constitutes proper compensation to an
elected county official who has been maltreated by other county officials,
namely Sheriff Joe Arpaio and now-disbarred former County Attorney Andrew
Thomas.
It is a fair question. Hoskins must sign off on compensation for claims made
by elected officials, and the huge claims filed by both Wilcox and
Supervisor Don Stapley deserve close scrutiny.
Both officials, for example, argue that the infamous civil racketeering
charge levied against them and other top county officials by Arpaio and
Thomas were ruinous to their careers and reputations. Wilcox said the
"intimidating" charge harmed her "emotionally and economically."
Really? The infamous federal racketeering charges filed Dec. 1, 2009, were
almost universally mocked and condemned from the moment they were filed.
They were so outlandish that their filing became the anchor argument in the
just-completed disbarment cases against Thomas and his top aide, Lisa
Aubuchon."
[snip]
There are elected officials in Phoenix predicting that the Feds will
indict Sheriff Joe for abuse of power sometime in the next month. He's lost
a lot of allies lately. I suspect the birther nonsense is something Sheriff
Joe is going to use to claim that he's a victim. There are a lot of
"victims" in the GOP these days.
TB
Don Lampson
Apr 25, 2012, 2:26:46 AM4/25/12
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On Apr 24, 9:04 pm, "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-
ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Don Lampson" <filmby...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2012/04/17...
It's going to be interesting to see how much longer Sheriff Joe can
remain the darling of RORT's wingnuts? I suspect Sheriff Joe's age
will keep him out of any real trouble, (like jail) although
Maricopa Co will be left holding the bag from the lawsuit damages for
Sheriff Joe's nonsense?
Heck Thomas
ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Don Lampson" <filmby...@gmail.com> wrote in message
remain the darling of RORT's wingnuts? I suspect Sheriff Joe's age
will keep him out of any real trouble, (like jail) although
Maricopa Co will be left holding the bag from the lawsuit damages for
Sheriff Joe's nonsense?
Heck Thomas
LonVanOstran
Apr 25, 2012, 6:45:11 AM4/25/12
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Don Lampson wrote:
> Notice that Sheriff Paul has lost all his supporters here. Remember
> when Lardass was sticking up for "The Sheriff", saying all that stuff
> was just nasty rumors, spread by liberals? Booby had to give him a
> cyber-elbow in the ribs! He finally clammed up... HawHawHaw!
>
> Sheriff Paul is phony as a three dollar bill, and probably "in a heap
> of trouble"? I suspect Sheriff Joe taking on the case of Obama's
> forged birth certificate will be the end of him as well? Your Arizona
> nutters are every bit as crazy as the ones we have out here in
> Commiefornia!
>
> D.L. Bilderberger
What I find most interesting is that Liberals, people who would normally
> Notice that Sheriff Paul has lost all his supporters here. Remember
> when Lardass was sticking up for "The Sheriff", saying all that stuff
> was just nasty rumors, spread by liberals? Booby had to give him a
> cyber-elbow in the ribs! He finally clammed up... HawHawHaw!
>
> Sheriff Paul is phony as a three dollar bill, and probably "in a heap
> of trouble"? I suspect Sheriff Joe taking on the case of Obama's
> forged birth certificate will be the end of him as well? Your Arizona
> nutters are every bit as crazy as the ones we have out here in
> Commiefornia!
>
> D.L. Bilderberger
fight for the guys right to be whatever he chooses to be, keep bashing
the guy even though he's old news. If he was a lefty, they would be
running interference for him, defending his every action.
Lon
Lone Haranguer
Apr 25, 2012, 10:59:24 AM4/25/12
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Don Lampson wrote: It's going to be interesting to see how much
Maricopa County's 19 percent drop in crime from 2004 to 2008. "
While Lampoon couldn't get elected to be a greeter at Walmart,
Sheriff Arpaio has been in office since 1982.
Arpaio should be cloned so we would have such a success rate
everywhere.
LZ
longer Sheriff Joe can remain the darling of RORT's wingnuts? I
suspect Sheriff Joe's age will keep him out of any real trouble,
(like jail) although Maricopa Co will be left holding the bag
from the lawsuit damages for Sheriff Joe's nonsense?
Heck Thomas
"But Arpaio's supporters say the sheriff gets results, citing
suspect Sheriff Joe's age will keep him out of any real trouble,
(like jail) although Maricopa Co will be left holding the bag
from the lawsuit damages for Sheriff Joe's nonsense?
Heck Thomas
Maricopa County's 19 percent drop in crime from 2004 to 2008. "
While Lampoon couldn't get elected to be a greeter at Walmart,
Sheriff Arpaio has been in office since 1982.
Arpaio should be cloned so we would have such a success rate
everywhere.
LZ
Dean
Apr 26, 2012, 3:12:41 PM4/26/12
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:32:16 -0700 (PDT), Don Lampson
<film...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Notice that Sheriff Paul has lost all his supporters here. Remember
>when Lardass was sticking up for "The Sheriff", saying all that stuff
>was just nasty rumors, spread by liberals? Booby had to give him a
>cyber-elbow in the ribs! He finally clammed up... HawHawHaw!
I have been very busy preparing for our summer trip. I had Koni
<film...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Notice that Sheriff Paul has lost all his supporters here. Remember
>when Lardass was sticking up for "The Sheriff", saying all that stuff
>was just nasty rumors, spread by liberals? Booby had to give him a
>cyber-elbow in the ribs! He finally clammed up... HawHawHaw!
shocks installed and am still marveling over the improvement.
>
>Sheriff Paul is phony as a three dollar bill, and probably "in a heap
>of trouble"? I suspect Sheriff Joe taking on the case of Obama's
>forged birth certificate will be the end of him as well? Your Arizona
>nutters are every bit as crazy as the ones we have out here in
>Commiefornia!
>
>D.L. Bilderberger
Since I live in Maricopa County and in the county itself, I deal w/
Joe. I know him, having dealt w/him in court a few times. I found
him to be infinitely more honorable than any screw I ever encountered.
And Joe WILL be reelected. Don't know about Babeu. I would vote for
him if I could but since I have scruples, I can only vote once.
But you wouldn't know that means. Being a low life "screw".
--
If you can get people to believe absurdities,
you can get them to commit atrocities.
-Voltaire
Lone Haranguer
Apr 26, 2012, 3:31:07 PM4/26/12
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Dean wrote:
I have been very busy preparing for our summer trip. I had Koni
shocks installed and am still marveling over the improvement.
And I want a general idea of what those shocks cost....including
I have been very busy preparing for our summer trip. I had Koni
shocks installed and am still marveling over the improvement.
installation.
LZ
Don Lampson
Apr 26, 2012, 3:39:17 PM4/26/12
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On Apr 26, 12:12 pm, Dean <roa...@k7no.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:32:16 -0700 (PDT), Don Lampson
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:32:16 -0700 (PDT), Don Lampson
>
Your three highball, & two vicodin, lunch is revealing itself!
Could you tell us more about your dealings with Sheriff Joe, "in
court"? HawHawHaw!
I doubt anyone believes your big windys about being a scientist, and
a lawyer any more? I sure don't! You write too much like a drop out
8th grader! HawHawHaw!
Earl Warren
Lone Haranguer
Apr 26, 2012, 5:49:13 PM4/26/12
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Don Lampoon wrote:
I doubt anyone believes your big windys about being a
scientist, and a lawyer any more? I sure don't! You write too
much like a drop out 8th grader! HawHawHaw!
Earl Warren
I'd be willing to bet serious money that Dean has documents
I doubt anyone believes your big windys about being a
scientist, and a lawyer any more? I sure don't! You write too
much like a drop out 8th grader! HawHawHaw!
Earl Warren
and/or witnesses that can confirm everything he's said here.
I can say the same for myself if you want to put your money where
your mouth is.
Just because you're a low achiever doesn't mean everyone else is.
LZ
Don Lampson
Apr 27, 2012, 1:58:15 AM4/27/12
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court"? What hogwash!
So, if Lardass has a "character witness?" you'll believe he's a
lawyer, and a scientist, huh? HawHawHaw!
Addicus Finch
Lone Haranguer
Apr 27, 2012, 11:24:28 AM4/27/12
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Don Lampoon wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2:49 pm, Lone Haranguer<linus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don Lampoon wrote:
>>
>> I doubt anyone believes your big windys about being a
>> scientist, and a lawyer any more? I sure don't! You write too
>> much like a drop out 8th grader! HawHawHaw!
>> Earl Warren
>>
>> I'd be willing to bet serious money that Dean has documents
>> and/or witnesses that can confirm everything he's said here.
>>
>> I can say the same for myself if you want to put your money where
>> your mouth is.
>>
>> Just because you're a low achiever doesn't mean everyone else is.
>> LZ
>
> What kind of "dealings" do you think Lardass had with Sheriff Joe "in
> court"? What hogwash!
Ask one of your former prisoner friends how the court system works.
> On Apr 26, 2:49 pm, Lone Haranguer<linus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don Lampoon wrote:
>>
>> I doubt anyone believes your big windys about being a
>> scientist, and a lawyer any more? I sure don't! You write too
>> much like a drop out 8th grader! HawHawHaw!
>> Earl Warren
>>
>> I'd be willing to bet serious money that Dean has documents
>> and/or witnesses that can confirm everything he's said here.
>>
>> I can say the same for myself if you want to put your money where
>> your mouth is.
>>
>> Just because you're a low achiever doesn't mean everyone else is.
>> LZ
>
> What kind of "dealings" do you think Lardass had with Sheriff Joe "in
> court"? What hogwash!
>
> So, if Lardass has a "character witness?" you'll believe he's a
> lawyer, and a scientist, huh? HawHawHaw!
I believe him without a character witness.
> So, if Lardass has a "character witness?" you'll believe he's a
> lawyer, and a scientist, huh? HawHawHaw!
Gonna place a bet or not? I doubt you will since you are one of
life's losers and keep proving it with every post.
LZ
>
> Addicus Finch
>
>
>
Don Lampson
Apr 28, 2012, 2:10:19 PM4/28/12
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questioned here a few times before? He has declined to offer any case
numbers, a date for passing the AZ Bar, etc, for documenting his
claims about being a lawyer / scientist? I guess he must have been
waiting for you to make your bet, huh? HawHawHaw!
Since you want to make a wager so bad, how about standing behind Mitt
Romney, and your Republican fantasy? I'll bet a hundred bucks that
Obama will win the Presidential Election? How 'bout it, blowhard?
"Do you feel lucky?"
Harry Callahan
Lone Haranguer
Apr 28, 2012, 3:22:11 PM4/28/12
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it proves you're the blowhard.
LZ
Don Lampson
Apr 28, 2012, 6:20:40 PM4/28/12
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you don't think Romney is worth betting on?
Cowboy Curtis
Lone Haranguer
Apr 28, 2012, 8:27:39 PM4/28/12
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either or we would see some money on the table.
LZ
Don Lampson
Apr 29, 2012, 12:46:30 AM4/29/12
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wager in a New York second, wouldn't you?
Curtis
Lone Haranguer
Apr 29, 2012, 10:57:51 AM4/29/12
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no faith in your first load of bullshit.
The accomplishments of others makes you look like one of life's
losers so you call them blowhards to make yourself feel better.
Keeping your nose up TB's ass is not helping that image and if I
was an object of admiration by the Landfill Troll I would be
considering suicide.
LZ
>
>
> Curtis
Don Lampson
Apr 29, 2012, 4:53:37 PM4/29/12
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everyone knows just how smart, and tough he claims to be. That's why
you are the "Grand Champion" as RORT's biggest cyber-windbag,
month, after month... I guess you tell yourself that nobody else
notices, huh? What does Lon say? Oh yeah, Linus is always right!
Nobody but Linus is ever right!"
BTW, your recent big windy, about how you told that military
sentry, how "you'd shove that rifle up his ass!" when you failed to
stop for him, was so beautiful, I nearly wept... What an
alligator! HawHawHaw!
When you believe in Ol' Mitt Romney a hundred bucks worth, maybe we
can make our bet?
Mr Earl
Lone Haranguer
Apr 29, 2012, 5:46:37 PM4/29/12
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if you actually did it. An autobiography would be blank pages if
the author didn't list the things he did in his life.
Just because you're big accomplishment in life was playing the
guitar, your autobiography would consist of 2 pages.
>
> BTW, your recent big windy, about how you told that military
> sentry, how "you'd shove that rifle up his ass!" when you failed to
> stop for him, was so beautiful, I nearly wept... What an
> alligator! HawHawHaw!
You need to upgrade your memory circuit. It was an AP gate guard
> BTW, your recent big windy, about how you told that military
> sentry, how "you'd shove that rifle up his ass!" when you failed to
> stop for him, was so beautiful, I nearly wept... What an
> alligator! HawHawHaw!
and the weapon was a .45. You think that was a dangerous move?
You should have been along on some of the combat missions I
volunteered for.....you'd still have the drizzly shits. Facing a
pimple-faced AP with a cocked .45 was a minor incident compared
to many others I've lived through.
>
> When you believe in Ol' Mitt Romney a hundred bucks worth, maybe we
> can make our bet?
When you can prove that anything Dean or I have said we
> When you believe in Ol' Mitt Romney a hundred bucks worth, maybe we
> can make our bet?
accomplished really didn't happen, you might be considered worth
placing a bet with.
Until then you and the Landfill Troll have the same reputation.
LZ
>
> Mr Earl
>
>
>
Dean
Apr 29, 2012, 9:24:51 PM4/29/12
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Well worth the $ in my book.
Dean
Apr 29, 2012, 9:49:10 PM4/29/12
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Just remember, prison guards are recognized as the lowest form of LEO.
Even lower than neighborhood watch types.
BTW, are you still supplying your kid with porn and hard drugs?
Technobarbarian
Apr 30, 2012, 10:22:57 AM4/30/12
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http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/30/46079.htm
"PHOENIX (CN) - Three of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's former right-hand men claim in
court that they were forced to resign or were fired after one of Arpaio's
deputy chiefs wrote a memo for the sheriff and the FBI that falsely accused
them of criminal misconduct.
Former Chief Deputy David Hendershott, Deputy Chief Larry Black, and
Deputy Joel Fox sued Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, Maricopa County
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, both counties, Investigative Research Inc. and its
president Keith Sobraske and secretary Melinda Sobraske, and Maricopa County
Sheriff's Office Deputy Chief Frank Munnell, in Maricopa County Court.
The plaintiffs say in their complaint that on Aug. 17, 2010, Deputy
Chief Munnell submitted a 63-page memo to Arpaio, asserting "false
allegations of criminal misconduct, malfeasance, allegations of obstruction
of justice, witness tampering, and even included allegations of sexual
misconduct."
They claim that in the memo, Munnell "made many untrue statements that
he intended to cause harm to the plaintiffs and that he knew or should have
known were false."
The memo includes allegations that Hendershott asked Munnell to donate
money to a secret political action committee to fund Arpaio's 2008 political
campaign, that Hendershott tried to stop Munnell from complying with state
investigators, and that Hendershott, Black and Fox teamed up to manage the
PAC, the Sheriff's Command Association.
Before Aug. 17, Munnell "had spent considerable time and energy working
with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Attorney General office of
the State of Arizona as some type of undercover agent, confidential
informant, or other position not authorized by his supervisors or by his
employment with the MCSO," the plaintiffs say in their complaint.
Munnell "gathered information through the use of unauthorized
procedures, illegal procedures, and violations of his oath of office, and by
violations of the MCSO Code of Conduct," according to the complaint.
"Defendant Munnell was directed by the AG's office [the Arizona
Attorney General's Office] and the FBI as to matters to look into in MCSO
and, at the same time, provided the AG's office and FBI with directions as
to what witnesses in the MCSO and elsewhere they should interview, what
questions to ask, and what information would help them in their
investigation," according to the complaint.
The plaintiffs claim Munnell's investigation "involved him secretly
tape-recording other commanding officers in MCSO, including the sheriff, in
an attempt to support his false accusations."
The plaintiffs claim that Munnell would strike up conversations with
people whom he "suspected shared his disloyalty and dislike of one or more
of the plaintiffs, and when he got these individuals to agree, even in
little parts, defendant Munnell would then later go back to some of these
individuals, especially co-employees and others that he had previously
recorded, and using the recorded statements content, get them to make what
amounted to false statements that were taken out of context."
They claim Munnell was retaliating against Hendershott "due to
Hendershott having to discipline Munnell and Munnell's need to be repeatedly
counseled for making racial slurs of African Americans and interracial
marriage."
The complaint continues: "Further, defendant Munnell resented
Hendershott for Hendershott's denial of Munnell's request to claim an
industrial injury when Munnell fell off of a police horse in New York City
while he was on holiday and intoxicated."
The plaintiffs add: "Defendants made sure the memo was published in the
Arizona Republic, Phoenix New Times, and presented on television stations
serving the area."
Upon receiving the memo, the plaintiffs say, Arpaio asked Pinal County
Sheriff Paul Babeu to investigate. Babeu then saw "a perfect opportunity to
advance his name and to use the investigation as a means of promoting his
own political goals," the complaint states.
It continues: "Defendant Babeu, knowing the need of the press for more
controversy, knew he had only one viable result in his investigation.
"A finding of no violations would result in one or two days of
criticism of the investigation and then the press would move to some other
controversy.
"However, a finding of some violations would result in a possible
springboard for defendant Babeu into a broader politics field, a fact he
admitted to after his published findings.
"Defendant Babeu told some reporters that he does have his vision on
high political offices.
"This opportunity was made to order for defendant Babeu's higher goals.
"However, the plaintiffs became the stepping-stones for defendant
Babeu, and, therefore, the goal for an impartial investigation was lost.
"Defendant Arpaio knew or should have known that defendant Babeu was
not qualified and has his own agenda."
They claim Babeu had only 4 years of experience as a police officer, 1?
years as a sheriff, did not have an extensive history in investigations, and
"had misrepresented who and what he was to the public.""
[snip]
TB
"PHOENIX (CN) - Three of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's former right-hand men claim in
court that they were forced to resign or were fired after one of Arpaio's
deputy chiefs wrote a memo for the sheriff and the FBI that falsely accused
them of criminal misconduct.
Former Chief Deputy David Hendershott, Deputy Chief Larry Black, and
Deputy Joel Fox sued Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, Maricopa County
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, both counties, Investigative Research Inc. and its
president Keith Sobraske and secretary Melinda Sobraske, and Maricopa County
Sheriff's Office Deputy Chief Frank Munnell, in Maricopa County Court.
The plaintiffs say in their complaint that on Aug. 17, 2010, Deputy
Chief Munnell submitted a 63-page memo to Arpaio, asserting "false
allegations of criminal misconduct, malfeasance, allegations of obstruction
of justice, witness tampering, and even included allegations of sexual
misconduct."
They claim that in the memo, Munnell "made many untrue statements that
he intended to cause harm to the plaintiffs and that he knew or should have
known were false."
The memo includes allegations that Hendershott asked Munnell to donate
money to a secret political action committee to fund Arpaio's 2008 political
campaign, that Hendershott tried to stop Munnell from complying with state
investigators, and that Hendershott, Black and Fox teamed up to manage the
PAC, the Sheriff's Command Association.
Before Aug. 17, Munnell "had spent considerable time and energy working
with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Attorney General office of
the State of Arizona as some type of undercover agent, confidential
informant, or other position not authorized by his supervisors or by his
employment with the MCSO," the plaintiffs say in their complaint.
Munnell "gathered information through the use of unauthorized
procedures, illegal procedures, and violations of his oath of office, and by
violations of the MCSO Code of Conduct," according to the complaint.
"Defendant Munnell was directed by the AG's office [the Arizona
Attorney General's Office] and the FBI as to matters to look into in MCSO
and, at the same time, provided the AG's office and FBI with directions as
to what witnesses in the MCSO and elsewhere they should interview, what
questions to ask, and what information would help them in their
investigation," according to the complaint.
The plaintiffs claim Munnell's investigation "involved him secretly
tape-recording other commanding officers in MCSO, including the sheriff, in
an attempt to support his false accusations."
The plaintiffs claim that Munnell would strike up conversations with
people whom he "suspected shared his disloyalty and dislike of one or more
of the plaintiffs, and when he got these individuals to agree, even in
little parts, defendant Munnell would then later go back to some of these
individuals, especially co-employees and others that he had previously
recorded, and using the recorded statements content, get them to make what
amounted to false statements that were taken out of context."
They claim Munnell was retaliating against Hendershott "due to
Hendershott having to discipline Munnell and Munnell's need to be repeatedly
counseled for making racial slurs of African Americans and interracial
marriage."
The complaint continues: "Further, defendant Munnell resented
Hendershott for Hendershott's denial of Munnell's request to claim an
industrial injury when Munnell fell off of a police horse in New York City
while he was on holiday and intoxicated."
The plaintiffs add: "Defendants made sure the memo was published in the
Arizona Republic, Phoenix New Times, and presented on television stations
serving the area."
Upon receiving the memo, the plaintiffs say, Arpaio asked Pinal County
Sheriff Paul Babeu to investigate. Babeu then saw "a perfect opportunity to
advance his name and to use the investigation as a means of promoting his
own political goals," the complaint states.
It continues: "Defendant Babeu, knowing the need of the press for more
controversy, knew he had only one viable result in his investigation.
"A finding of no violations would result in one or two days of
criticism of the investigation and then the press would move to some other
controversy.
"However, a finding of some violations would result in a possible
springboard for defendant Babeu into a broader politics field, a fact he
admitted to after his published findings.
"Defendant Babeu told some reporters that he does have his vision on
high political offices.
"This opportunity was made to order for defendant Babeu's higher goals.
"However, the plaintiffs became the stepping-stones for defendant
Babeu, and, therefore, the goal for an impartial investigation was lost.
"Defendant Arpaio knew or should have known that defendant Babeu was
not qualified and has his own agenda."
They claim Babeu had only 4 years of experience as a police officer, 1?
years as a sheriff, did not have an extensive history in investigations, and
"had misrepresented who and what he was to the public.""
[snip]
TB
Dean
Apr 30, 2012, 12:58:02 PM4/30/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT), Don Lampson
<film...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Apparently, you've forgotten that the claims of Lardass have been
>questioned here a few times before? He has declined to offer any case
>numbers, a date for passing the AZ Bar, etc, for documenting his
>claims about being a lawyer / scientist? I guess he must have been
>waiting for you to make your bet, huh? HawHawHaw!
>
>Harry Callahan
<film...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Apparently, you've forgotten that the claims of Lardass have been
>questioned here a few times before? He has declined to offer any case
>numbers, a date for passing the AZ Bar, etc, for documenting his
>claims about being a lawyer / scientist? I guess he must have been
>waiting for you to make your bet, huh? HawHawHaw!
>
Ok Don. I have posted my Degrees before but apparently you are too
f'ing stupid to check. I won't bother to look for my undergrad degree
but you can see my Bar entrance (Oct 21, 1992) @
WWW.K7NO.Com/Diploma.JPG.
If this isn't good enough for you, I will pay to fly you to Mesa and
let you see all my bona fides in person but only if you pay $10,000
upon doing so. Put your money where your hummingbird ass/mouth is.
Now stuff your attitude up your ass!
Idiot.
Dean
Apr 30, 2012, 11:57:53 PM4/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:58:02 -0700, Dean <roa...@k7no.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT), Don Lampson
><film...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Apparently, you've forgotten that the claims of Lardass have been
>>questioned here a few times before? He has declined to offer any case
>>numbers, a date for passing the AZ Bar, etc, for documenting his
>>claims about being a lawyer / scientist? I guess he must have been
>>waiting for you to make your bet, huh? HawHawHaw!
>>
>>Harry Callahan
>
>Ok Don. I have posted my Degrees before but apparently you are too
>f'ing stupid to check. I won't bother to look for my undergrad degree
>but you can see my Bar entrance (Oct 21, 1992) @
>WWW.K7NO.Com/Diploma.JPG.
>
>If this isn't good enough for you, I will pay to fly you to Mesa and
>let you see all my bona fides in person but only if you pay $10,000
>upon doing so. Put your money where your hummingbird ass/mouth is.
>Now stuff your attitude up your ass!
>
>Idiot.
Where is big mouth Lameson now? Put up or shut the fuck up, fuck up!
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT), Don Lampson
><film...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Apparently, you've forgotten that the claims of Lardass have been
>>questioned here a few times before? He has declined to offer any case
>>numbers, a date for passing the AZ Bar, etc, for documenting his
>>claims about being a lawyer / scientist? I guess he must have been
>>waiting for you to make your bet, huh? HawHawHaw!
>>
>>Harry Callahan
>
>Ok Don. I have posted my Degrees before but apparently you are too
>f'ing stupid to check. I won't bother to look for my undergrad degree
>but you can see my Bar entrance (Oct 21, 1992) @
>WWW.K7NO.Com/Diploma.JPG.
>
>If this isn't good enough for you, I will pay to fly you to Mesa and
>let you see all my bona fides in person but only if you pay $10,000
>upon doing so. Put your money where your hummingbird ass/mouth is.
>Now stuff your attitude up your ass!
>
>Idiot.
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