I-81 towing?
J & S
starting in northern PA. What are its conditions and is it a viable
alternate route to I 95 as long as I don't care how I get N to S?
Hills???? Just a general rundown would be appreciated. Thanks much.
J...
--
Will Sill
>Those of you who go North to South or South to North using I 81,
>starting in northern PA. What are its conditions and is it a viable
>alternate route to I 95 as long as I don't care how I get N to S?
>Hills???? Just a general rundown would be appreciated. Thanks much.
There must be a contest under way to see who can ask the dumbest
question of the week. Snow on the valve stems, how far can a MH go on
gas, and now this. I wonder if this author doesn't have a map and
doesn't know I-95 only touches PA in the extreme SE corner near
Filthydelfia?
Nice try, but if we are voting for Dumbest Troll, this one is in 3rd
place.
Will KD3XR
Dave LaCourse
>Those of you who go North to South or South to North using I 81,
>starting in northern PA. What are its conditions and is it a viable
>alternate route to I 95 as long as I don't care how I get N to S?
>Hills???? Just a general rundown would be appreciated. Thanks much.
There are a few good sized "hills" both in PA and in VA south of Roanoke, but
nothing that should worry you. I see TT and 5ers using that road without
difficulties every time I use it (three or four times a year). Let's face it,
just about *anything* beats I-95 and its wall to wall traffic, especially going
through the many metro areas.
Dave
Ed J
I measured the mileage once and found that the I81 route is about 50 miles
longer than going through DC. But the time is probably quicker on I81
because of all the traffic and delays on I95 around DC.
Th I81 route is great for towing except for some areas around Harrisburg,
Pa where the road is quite bumpy and seems to be tuned to the get maximum
bounce with the truck and 5th-wheel....
It depends on the season which route I take. If snow is part of the
weather conditions, I always go I95. Much more lkely to be snowy and
bad road conditions in the small mountains I81 goes through.
--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ed J e...@attglobal.net
On my retirement adventure from the rolling hills of
the Southern Tier in New York State..... Traveling in my
1999 Dodge 2500 6-spd diesel, 1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS 5th-wheel
Steve R.
"Will Sill" <wi...@epix.net> wrote in message
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rec.outdoors.rv-travel. hmmm, sounds like a legitimate question
to me. but then, silly me, I asked about snow on valve stems.
What do I know. I read the post as asking how I81 compares to I95
as an alternative route N to S. What's dumb about that question?
Sounds to me like it pretty well fits with
rec.outdoors.rv-travel.
steve r
Hugh
I'd use I-81 rather than connecting up to I-95. It's a
hillier run but the scenery is decent. Depends on how far
south you would go and where your final destinations would
be. It also depends on what your driving, if it's an rv then
I-81 is better because it keeps you out of the Baltimore,
D.C. corridor.
How about some more information?
Hugh
b b
>
> >Those of you who go North to South or South to North using I 81,
> >starting in northern PA. What are its conditions and is it a viable
> >alternate route to I 95 as long as I don't care how I get N to S?
> >Hills???? Just a general rundown would be appreciated. Thanks much.
> There must be a contest under way to see who can ask the dumbest
> question of the week. Snow on the valve stems, how far can a MH go on
> gas, and now this. I wonder if this author doesn't have a map and
> doesn't know I-95 only touches PA in the extreme SE corner near
> Filthydelfia?
>
> Nice try, but if we are voting for Dumbest Troll, this one is in 3rd
> place.
>
> Will KD3XR
>
Will, if you have nothing to contribute to this question, why reply to
it? It seems to be a valid question that cannot be answered totally from
a roadmap....
I81 is considerably hillier than I95 thru VA, though the drive is
beautiful. There are a number of hills with "Runaway truck turnoff"
areas at the bottom....these have piles of sand to stop a brakeless truck
without loss of life, but I would expect with considerable damage to the
vehicle.
I drove my 33' motorhome over it with no problems, but on some of the
uphills I slowed to near 40 mph. There are extra truck climbing lanes
for slow vehicles. I had no problem controlling downhill speed with
lower gears; no need to use brakes, but I did drive way ahead of myself.
Hope this is what you were looking for...
--
Regards,
Barrie B
Will Sill
>
>rec.outdoors.rv-travel. hmmm, sounds like a legitimate question
>to me. but then, silly me, I asked about snow on valve stems.
>What do I know. I read the post as asking how I81 compares to I95
>as an alternative route N to S. What's dumb about that question?
>Sounds to me like it pretty well fits with
>rec.outdoors.rv-travel.
You are too dumb to come in outa the rain. From "Northern PA" to an
unspecified "S" location. Egad! WHERE in the "S", Steve? New
Orleans, Daytona? Do you own a map? Did you notice that I-95
doesn't go to northern PA? Do you know where you want to go? Or do
you just enjoy the abuse? You may not be a moron, but you write like
one!
Will KD3XR
Before flaming - consider this: I post to help rv'ers, amuse
non-humor-impaired readers, and annoy morons. After determining
which type you are, do what you feel that type should do.
Dave LaCourse
>On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:50:28 GMT, b b <BuzzerBee@attDOTnet , Use
>.instead of DOT> wrote:
>
>>I81 is considerably hillier than I95 thru VA, though the drive is
>>beautiful. There are a number of hills with "Runaway truck turnoff"
>>areas at the bottom....these have piles of sand to stop a brakeless truck
>>without loss of life, but I would expect with considerable damage to the
>>vehicle.
>
>Ummm. I've got probably 50,000 miles or better driving from mile 324 in
>the north to mile 1 in the south, and I don't recall the first truck
>escape ramp in VA. The steepest grade on I81 in VA is only 4% and
>that's Christiansburg Mountain southbound.
>
>--
>Frank
Correct you are, Frank. Perhaps Buzzer Bee was thinking of I-77 from Fancy Gap
to the NC line. There are a couple of escape ramps on that short piece of
steep road.
Dave
Steve R.
I've traveled both I81 and I95 and, yes, I know they don't go the
same place. Why do you try to speculate the motive or purpose of
his question? He asked a simple question, how does driving I81
compare to I95. He mentioned I81 as an alternative to I95. I
doubt he wanted to know if he could get from point A to point B
faster on I81 than he could on I95. He simply wanted to know the
condition of the road, whether there's any tough hills, etc. Why
not just answer the question asked instead of trying to make the
guy out as a moron?
And I very much appreciate you attributing "dumb" and "moron"
attributes to me. Sounds like pot and kettle time. There for
awhile I saw some posts where you actually provided some good
answers without trying to tell people how dumb they are. That was
a pretty nice week or so. What happened?
steve
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Hugh
snipped
>
> And I very much appreciate you attributing "dumb" and "moron"
> attributes to me. Sounds like pot and kettle time. There for
> awhile I saw some posts where you actually provided some good
> answers without trying to tell people how dumb they are. That was
> a pretty nice week or so. What happened?
> steve
>
I hate to say it Steve. I've gotten pretty tired of the
testiness of Will. There is no excuse for someone being
uncivil while posting. I admit, I'm quite often uncivil to
certain posters, but try to keep on track for most. No one
knows it all and the most boring people are those who have
an overbearing attitude.
There is no reason we all can't have fun discussing
different issues, we all enjoy it. I'm afraid the treatment
new posters sometimes gets is not conducive to the well
being of rv help concepts. Every time an unknowing poster
comes on with a "new" to them question, they get jumped.
Instead of politely directing them to a source of info, they
get barraged with nasty stuff and called names. It's
beginning to remind me of school yard bully tactics.
If someone comes here with an attitude, there's nothing
wrong with "testing" their resolve. But to lambaste innocent
new posters is silly. All it does is drive away fresh ideas.
Discussion is great. As long as we don't start swinging at
each other. I'm going to try, might not be completely
possible in all cases, to keep rhetoric out of my speech.
When differing personalities start badgering others with
different view points, it goes over the line.
This isn't "my" podium or anyone else's for that matter. I
don't care what others think of my thoughts, just figured
I'd toss em out in the ring.
Hugh
Steve R.
"Hugh" <hug...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I agree with you, Hugh. What bothers me most is his assumption
that someone is dumb just because they ask a question they don't
know the answer to. If it's an obvious troll, that's one thing.
But many people are just learning and are probably afraid to ask
their questions here for fear they'll be called stupid. I've
worked with computers for 32 years. I help a lot of people who
ask what I could easily consider to be a dumb question but it's
not dumb to them. There's no need to make them feel stupid. It's
a whole lot more pleasurable to help them and see them grow. The
other thing that bothers me is when he reads more into a question
than was stated as assumes it thus is a dumb question. Like the
I81 and I95 question. The guy didn't ask if it was the best way
to get from one place to another. He just asked how the road is
for driving and towing in comparison to the other highway. Simple
enough.
steve
Ken Adams
and unhelpful and was attacked by several people I won't mention names, but
you are right I think twice before asking anything or responding
now..(Probably shouldn't say anything now, I am sure someone will yell at me
again but oh well)
I have only been reading this group for a while, and at first found it
extremely helpful. I still read hoping to find some good info..and I do,
even from some of the people who jumped on me.
So in short I agree with you both. Why can't we all just get along LOL.
My 2 cents
Ken
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HHamp5246
get jumped.
>> Instead of politely directing them to a source of info, they
>> get barraged with nasty stuff and called names. It's
>> beginning to remind me of school yard bully tactics
I'm with you guys, it's a horrible thing to slam someone who just stepped in
the door.
I know of no adults, personally, who continuously call others names..... Call
people names!!! I mean wasn't that elementary school?
Isn't that where we learned, "Sticks and stone can break my bones, but names
can never hurt me"? I thought that was wrong then and I do now....
Name calling does hurt people.... and in this case it's hurting the whole
newsgroup.
Sadly, it's getting worse.
Hunter
Hugh
snipped
> Like the
> I81 and I95 question. The guy didn't ask if it was the best way
> to get from one place to another. He just asked how the road is
> for driving and towing in comparison to the other highway. Simple
> enough.
> steve
Yeh, I know. In all fairness though, with the volume of
posts coming in, it's darn hard to really read them all. On
the other hand, if you don't at least scan them, you won't
find one that you could answer. I suppose it's possible to
get testy when faced with the weight of the posts but hey,
that's no reason to get nasty.
We've got a valuable resource here that's been compared, by
myself and others, as akin to a campfire gathering. Well,
I'm afraid people are getting up and walking away because of
the bickering.
I try so hard to keep my posts civil, then get veered off
course by a thread on whatever. Either I've got to just walk
away from the bullshit or ignore those that can't help being
negative. Somehow I don't think I'll walk away.
Hugh
Steve R.
steve
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Steve R.
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Good comments, Hunter. I just need to try to remember that the
positives still outweigh the negatives. I read many posts to
learn. I'm not exactly a newbie to RV-ing but I'm also not the
most experienced one here by a long shot. I've learned from those
with more experience than I have and from those who perhaps have
less overall experience but have more in certain areas (like my
"dumb" question about valve stems in ice and snow <G>). I hope I
never stop learning and I hope this forum continues to provide
the opportunity.
Thanks.
steve r
J & S
several times and wondered why more people who aren't in a hurry don't
use I 81. I appreciate your civil and friendly response. Unlike some
other so called judges of what's an intelligent question and what isn't.
John
J & S
Will Sill wrote: I wonder if this author doesn't have a map and
> doesn't know I-95 only touches PA in the extreme SE corner near
> Filthydelfia?
>
> Nice try, but if we are voting for Dumbest Troll, this one is in 3rd
> place.
>
> Will KD3XR
Will,
If you don't like some of the questions, why do you take the time to
answer. If I'd have wanted insulting by an obvious malcontented old fart,
I'd have posted and asked for an insult. In the meantime, just crawl back
in your hole and hate yourself. You must live in PA or you wouldn't be
able to spell Philadelphia so well. In the interim, just kiss off.
J...
J & S
Ed J wrote:
> I can take either I81/I77/I26/I95 or I81 to Md to DC to I95 to get to Fl.
> I measured the mileage once and found that the I81 route is about 50 miles
> longer than going through DC. But the time is probably quicker on I81
> because of all the traffic and delays on I95 around DC.
>
> Th I81 route is great for towing except for some areas around Harrisburg,
> Pa where the road is quite bumpy and seems to be tuned to the get maximum
> bounce with the truck and 5th-wheel....
>
> It depends on the season which route I take. If snow is part of the
> weather conditions, I always go I95. Much more lkely to be snowy and
> bad road conditions in the small mountains I81 goes through.
>
Ed,
Thanks much. That's the kind of info I wanted. I live in Northern PA just west
of Binghamton, NY and intend to go south in a month. Glad to hear that I 81 is
a viable alternate route. Civility does exist on the NG I see.
J...
HHamp5246
>with more experience than I have and from those who perhaps have
>less overall experience but have more in certain areas (like my
>"dumb" question about valve stems in ice and snow <G>).
<snerk> The question wasn't dumb... but having the mh in the snow might be....
it's got wheels... go south!!! (c:
Hunter
Will Sill
>Will,
>
>If you don't like some of the questions, why do you take the time to
>answer. If I'd have wanted insulting by an obvious malcontented old fart,
>I'd have posted and asked for an insult. In the meantime, just crawl back
>in your hole and hate yourself. You must live in PA or you wouldn't be
>able to spell Philadelphia so well. In the interim, just kiss off.
See my sig line to see the answer to why I post.
Any discussion of a route without a destination (south is not a
destination!) is an exercise in futility, which is why I zinged you. .
The thoughtful person would have done enough homework not to mention a
route which - at it's nearest - is hundreds of miles from his vaguely
identified starting place.
Finally, I didn't EXPECT you to feel warm and fuzzy about my answer -
I was hoping you'd look at a map, realize you had asked a foolishly
vague question, and try again. I have a record of providing helpful
information to people who ask with enough parameters to permit a
logical answer. I've been up and down the eastern US dozens of times
- but if you expect rational answers from anyone about the "best
route", you have to AT LEAST say where you want to go! Sorry you are
so bent outa shape, but you might try actually THINKING before
answering this time!
J & S
I'd really like to thank the dozen or so of you who responded in a civil
tone to a simple question. Is 81 a viable alternate to 95? Dumb
question? I think not, but some people have to think they're the judge
and jury on most things. I was insulted at first until I noticed the
person who posted the insult. He reads things into most of the articles
he responds to and manages to PO more people than he helps. I usually
ignore any posting with his name on them. Will continue to do so.
Now I have a question about him. Is he really as nasty as he appears?
I've known some people who dislike everyone, including themselves, so
much that they destroy themselves. Any chance Will has a terminal
disease he isn't telling the group about?
I also believe that eventually he will drive away the questions and
advice that the group is intended to supply.
J...
J & S
Will Sill wrote:
Have neither the time nor the inclination to trade insults with you, Will. My
question was as I stated it. N to S is I 81 a viable alternate to I 95. The
route goes North to South, you have not need to know where I'm headed.
Obviously, somewhere in the direction of where they both run.
If you look around at the other responses you'll actually find that most
people responded to that question and I'm very appreciative of that fact. In
the mean time I stand by what I said above. End of discussion.
J..
Ed J
don't know!!!! My attitude is that the only dumb question is the
on that that is not asked. So I ask. Ignore the fools and thank
the ones who give helpful responses.
--
Ed J
south the first week in January. In the Winter, we ALWAYS go the I95 route.
Much less chance of snowy roads nearer the coast.
--
Hugh
>
> NG,
>
> I'd really like to thank the dozen or so of you who responded in a civil
> tone to a simple question. Is 81 a viable alternate to 95?
I might add, since you have taken I95 before. We take I81 to
17 all the way to I95. It is only about 50 miles more or
less difference from I95. If you're traveling by rv, you
might use this route, depending of course on where your
destination is. I don't think I'd do the Atlanta route
unless you're going to the Panhandle.
Hugh
Steve R.
Wish we could! 41 months (hopefully)!
steve r.
Hugh
Hope you make it Steve.
Hugh
GBinNC
wrote:
>Now I have a question about him. Is he really as nasty as he appears?
Since you asked, I'll answer:
I've met him -- been to his house -- and in person he's a nice guy.
Lives in a nice home, has a nice wife, apparently lives a "good" life.
He comes across as laid-back, good-natured, and easygoing, with a
twinkle in his eye, although I freely acknowledge that he doesn't
always appear that way here. (Sorry, Will, but I think you probably
knew that anyway. <g>)
Will and I agree on some things and disagree on others. I too wish he
were a little nicer to folks, but I understand (without condoning it)
why he's not.
(BTW, I'd go out of my way to drive I-81 over I-95 anyday and have
done so, many times.)
GB in NC
Steve R.
Thanks Hugh. If y'all will report that your "consumer confidence"
is high and spend lots of money to help the economy, then maybe
I'll make it in 41 months... <G>
steve
Lon VanOstran
> Wish we could! 41 months (hopefully)!
> steve r.
You won't believe how fast it goes by, Steve. We have been planning for
7 years and are down to 8 months. Now, I am starting to wonder how we
are going to get everything sold and gone in time. The good news is that
if we run out of time and need more, at least that is the only WORK we
will be worrying about. <G>
Lon
Lon VanOstran
> Now I have a question about him. Is he really as nasty as he appears?
> I've known some people who dislike everyone, including themselves, so
> much that they destroy themselves. Any chance Will has a terminal
> disease he isn't telling the group about?
>
> I also believe that eventually he will drive away the questions and
> advice that the group is intended to supply.
>
> J...
I have seen Will post overly blunt posts which attack a question, or the
lack of thought which goes into that question. Sometimes his posts are
unnecessarily harsh, but usually aimed at helping the target actually
learn how to get the help requested. In return, people like Frederick,
Fred from AZ, Canoli, Osborn, and a few others attack Will and his
character, his personality, and some, even his family. There is a huge
difference, which illustrates the character of those doing the
attacking. I am NOT the only one who notices.
Lon, who will gladly face the coming attacks which are merely the price
of standing between evil and it's target.
Bobby
a school teacher. Can you imagine what he would say to the kids if they
asked questions?
For those of you that are sick of Will's sarcasm, I suggest we just boycott
him. Ignore his posts and do not answer anything he writes.
"Hugh" <hug...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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b b
usereply...@kscable.com says...
> > Name calling does hurt people.... and in this case it's hurting
> the whole
> > newsgroup.
> >
> > Sadly, it's getting worse.
> >
> > Hunter
>
> Good comments, Hunter. I just need to try to remember that the
> positives still outweigh the negatives. I read many posts to
> learn. I'm not exactly a newbie to RV-ing but I'm also not the
> most experienced one here by a long shot. I've learned from those
> with more experience than I have and from those who perhaps have
> less overall experience but have more in certain areas (like my
> "dumb" question about valve stems in ice and snow <G>). I hope I
> never stop learning and I hope this forum continues to provide
> the opportunity.
>
>
I've gotten a LOT out of this newsgroup....and I'm really quite new to
RVing. This group saved me from a really big mistake...buying the wrong
RV...and I owe it BIG TIME.
I cannot answer many questions yet; most of mine are "asked". However,
my pappy used to say "If you can't say anything GOOD about somebody, best
not say anything". This was long before the internet...but that
philosophy is even more valid today.
If anyone feels overburdened by "dumb" questions....take a break. Give
the newsgroup a break.....
THANKS everybody for the good answers at the right time...... :-)
--
Regards,
Barrie B
b b
> May I add my 2 cents worth as well? I sure as heck wouldn't want Will to be
> a school teacher. Can you imagine what he would say to the kids if they
> asked questions?
>
> For those of you that are sick of Will's sarcasm, I suggest we just boycott
> him. Ignore his posts and do not answer anything he writes.
>
>
I'm somewhat concerned for damage done to the whole group by insulting
newbies, unknown to the rest of us......
--
Regards,
Barrie B
Will Sill
a really DUMB question, and continues to rant against those who
questioned the sanity of his question:
>Have neither the time nor the inclination to trade insults with you, Will. My
>question was as I stated it. N to S is I 81 a viable alternate to I 95. The
>route goes North to South, you have not need to know where I'm headed.
>Obviously, somewhere in the direction of where they both run.
Lets see, you are starting from "northern PA" near Bingotown, right?
Let me give you some map-reading help:
I-81 is the ONLY interstate from that region heading south, and it
runs mostly southwest and ends near Knoxville TN. Got that?
I-95, OTOH, runs out of Maine through New England and the metropolitan
NY/NJ region, grazing Philly and heading pretty much due south near
the coast and terminating in Miami.
This is easier to understand if you have a map, but either way it
makes a helluva lot of difference where you want to go!!
However, in view of the venom you've displayed, I'm genuinely sorry I
tried to help you realize the silliness of your post anyway. Carry
on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on. And on.
Will KD3XR
Before flaming again - consider this: I post to help rv'ers, amuse
non-humor-impaired readers, and annoy morons. Now that we know
Will Sill
>I've met him -- been to his house -- and in person he's a nice guy.
>Lives in a nice home, has a nice wife, apparently lives a "good" life.
>He comes across as laid-back, good-natured, and easygoing, with a
>twinkle in his eye, although I freely acknowledge that he doesn't
>always appear that way here. (Sorry, Will, but I think you probably
>knew that anyway. <g>)
>
>Will and I agree on some things and disagree on others. I too wish he
>were a little nicer to folks, but I understand (without condoning it)
>why he's not.
>
>(BTW, I'd go out of my way to drive I-81 over I-95 anyday and have
>done so, many times.)
Thanx, BG -- I'm sure I do come across as too blunt on occasion, and I
regret that. I do not regret confronting dumb statements, and I'm not
running for office so don't care if some dislike me.
But I just gotta ask: Would you take I-81 to assateague Island?
Will KD3XR
>
>GB in NC
GBinNC
>But I just gotta ask: Would you take I-81 to assateague Island?
Well, probably not from where we live. But then, we don't always go
somewhere by the most direct route.
But to clarify -- I was referring to most any fairly general
south-north trip from the Southeast to PA/NY (or beyond) that didn't
involve any place near the Atlantic Ocean.
Shoulda been more specific, I guess...
GB in NC
harry
use I-81 as an alternative to I-95 for a large portion of the trip.
One of the main problems for me is getting around Philadelphia - Baltimore
- Washington DC - Richmond. When I travel around the holidays - these
cities usually have traffic that slows me down considerably.
I-81 goes right by my hometown. I take I-81 to I-77 to I-26 to I-95 in
South Carolina. It is a few miles longer - but the scenery is nicer and
the traffic is much lighter. Many of my Florida friends enjoy this route
and call it the "back way" to Pennsylvania.
To someone towing a camper - the I-81 route makes a lot of sense. There
are a few long grades but they are gradual.
Anyone that makes the PA/FL trip often would understand what the poster
was asking.
The only problem with the I-81 choice over the straight I-95 one is the
possibility of bad weather. I-81 is well known for its poor conditions in
a blizzard. Much of I-81 is in the mountains often following the ridges.
I-81 closes frequently during snow.
I favor the I-81 route south to Florida in the summer or in nice weather
in the winter. I favor I-81 also during holidays. I like to stay away from
the NE Corridor during that time.
I hope this helps you.
Harry
Will Sill
>>But I just gotta ask: Would you take I-81 to assateague Island?
And then GBinNC <GBi...@yahoooo.com> answered:
>Well, probably not from where we live. But then, we don't always go
>somewhere by the most direct route.
>
>But to clarify -- I was referring to most any fairly general
>south-north trip from the Southeast to PA/NY (or beyond) that didn't
>involve any place near the Atlantic Ocean.
>
>Shoulda been more specific, I guess...
Ummmm - wasn't that the same problem the originator of this rancorous
thread had - failure to be specific? Do ya see how daft it is to ask
for route ideas with no destination mentioned?
Steve R.
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That's great! I'm sure you are getting excited and no doubt will
enjoy it!
steve
Steve R.
"Will Sill" <wi...@epix.net> wrote in message
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did not ask for route ideas. He simply asked for advice about
road conditions and difficulty of towing on that road. Here's his
original statement:
----the following pasted from the originator's origingal
post ----
Those of you who go North to South or South to North using I 81,
starting in northern PA. What are its conditions and is it a
viable
alternate route to I 95 as long as I don't care how I get N to S?
Hills???? Just a general rundown would be appreciated. Thanks
much.
steve r.
Hugh
That's the reason I didn't think it was a "dumb" request.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but, we shouldn't
object when our response draws criticism. It's too bad we
can't use a little restraint when responding. I think most
are guilty at least once in awhile, me included. Maybe we
just get to quick with the quip.
Hugh
Lon VanOstran
> On the other hand, if you really believe what you wrote about the
> Silly One, would it be fair to apply the first sentence of his
> somewhat harsh post, intact, to you?
Nobody ever told me life was going to be fair, so apply anything you
like any where you like.
Lon, who doesn't expect much from Canoli.
midwesterner
poster meant south as being south of Richmond or Roanoke Virgina,
otherwise, why would have the person asked the question to begin with?
Out of curiosity, I plugged it in to Yahoo maps. I-81 from north Pa to
the obvious direction is only about 60 miles longer than the I-95
route. It looks like that route would add more miles. If you reverse
the order, the answer comes out the same.
If assateague Island is north of Virgina, you need to brush up on your
map reading skills.
cmdrde...@aol.com
miles further but was a much better road. I understand the traffic is
now nearly as bad as I 95 We now use 301 from Delaware to Richmond
We like it, many wouldn't
David Whittier
I never claimed to be the brightest bulb on the porch. Just expressing my opinion. Your mileage may differ.
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GBinNC
>And then GBinNC <GBi...@yahoooo.com> answered:
>
>>But to clarify -- I was referring to most any fairly general
>>south-north trip from the Southeast to PA/NY (or beyond) that didn't
>>involve any place near the Atlantic Ocean.
>>
>>Shoulda been more specific, I guess...
>Ummmm - wasn't that the same problem the originator of this rancorous
>thread had - failure to be specific? Do ya see how daft it is to ask
>for route ideas with no destination mentioned?
Well, I certainly don't disagree that a few more details might have
helped clarify the original question, if that's what you mean...
GB in NC
Lon VanOstran
> Well, LonWho, I do believe in fairness, but applying a two hundred
> dollar boot to your two bit ass seems like overkill,
You are a multi-talented guy Canoli. Try as I might, I haven't figured
out how to apply a boot to anyone's ass via the internet, and I highly
doubt you have the courage to be such an ass in person.
Lon, who doubts Canoli could get his foot that high, let alone remain
standing after attempting such.
Will Sill
>It doesn't take much of a map reader to figure out that the original
>poster meant south as being south of Richmond or Roanoke Virgina,
>otherwise, why would have the person asked the question to begin with?
No, you're absolutely right. Instead it takes a mind reader.
>If assateague Island is north of Virgina, you need to brush up on your
>map reading skills.
Assateague Island, unless it's been moved lately, is off the east
coast of Maryland & Virginia, and is a popular "southern" destination
for upstate NY residents.
After all the self-righteous lectures have been written and posted, it
remains a FACT that the original poster asked a VERY poorly phrased
question. It remains a complete mystery to me how anyone feels they
can provide a useful answer with absolutely NO clue about a
destination other than "south" - which pretty much rules out a highway
that goes southwest to near Knoxville.
Carry on.
Will KD3XR
Before flaming - consider this: I post to help rv'ers, amuse
non-humor-impaired readers, and annoy morons. After determining
Hugh
good post snipped
You pretty much spoke my mind Rich. Much as I like Will, I
can't help feeling he is wrong on this. Other's opinions may
vary.
Hugh
David Osborn
This is typical behavior for Mr. Sill. He attacks others relentlesly, and he
frequently accuses people of asking dumb questions, and/or of being trolls, not
to mention calling numerous people a variety of denigrating names. Given that
this behavior typically occurs several times each day -- and yet you recognize
this type of behavior as being wrong, please tell us why you like Mr. Sill so
much.
--
David, N8DO; FMCA 147762
djosborn at aol dot com
Hugh
Because I have conversed with him by email and he is a
decent human being. I know he comes off as an arrogant ass
at times here, and I don't know why he does it. But that
doesn't alter the fact he is a decent human being. Did I
mention, he is also a decent human being. See, I don't have
an axe to grind with him like you. I just don't agree with
the way he jumps at some people. I don't think it is called
for and is uncivil. You, on the other hand, are the most
humor devoid individual I have ever "met". You are incapable
of carrying on a normal conversation with anyone. You
apparently have a "fan" club which must be feeding your ego.
I don't respect you and don't give two craps whether you
respect me. You don't respect the newsgroup(s) or 99% of the
posters.
I can't and don't want to "change" you, you give me
pleasure. The pleasure of sticking your balloon when you go
off your meds.
Hugh
David Osborn
Hugh,
You've made it quite clear: You like him because you behave as he does.
Hugh
snipped
> Not trying to start an argument here, and recognizing that some will
> say this post is a perfect pot/kettle example, still I am curious
> about how you define a decent human being.
>
> A person who is rude, deliberately insulting, uncivil, impatient,
> nasty, and what ever else you may want to say in truthfully describing
> the Silly One somehow doesn't square with "decent human being". I
> understand and respect that you have an opinion, but wonder what it
> would take for you to remove the rose colored glasses and look closely
> at what you call decent.
>
> Canoli
I've met people who in a public setting sound crass. In
smaller settings, they are polite and likable. I look behind
the facade and evaluate the "hidden" qualities. My
"conversations" with Will are good ones.
I still don't like the way he treats newbies, or those he
doesn't agree with. I also don't like the way he goes off
half cocked when someone doesn't absolutely share his
viewpoint, but that's Will, take him or leave him. He
doesn't care.
I really think he's off on this thread and thought I made
that clear. So have others. That probably won't won't mean
shit to him. His sometimes uncivil comments are uncalled for
and detract from his otherwise good advice. He often gets
side tracked on political and religious issues, a major
mistake. No one's mind is going to be changed by his words
and his rants fall on the opposite viewpoints deaf ears. He
still contributes a lot of good advice. I/we can't/won't
change him, so what. He wouldn't be Will if he changed. He
obviously believes in God fervently, that's not bad. He gets
upset when someone takes shots at his religion, so what. I'd
think less of him if he didn't. He's pretty far right in his
thinking, good, he represents a steadying influence against
the far left. Most of us fall somewhere in between the two
extremes of far right and far left, so does he.
I don't agree with you all the time but, do concur fairly
often and enjoy your posts, most of the time. There are many
others I sometimes agree with, sometimes disagree with, so
what. We all have our opinions and have the freedom to
express them. I really don't dislike any poster, well with
one exception. And that one is not because of his positions,
it's because of his anal retentive behavior. I've never seen
David Osborn show a smidgen of humor. He might have made
some half assed attempt a few times, but that was some time
ago.
So, bottom line. I like Will, don't like his behavior at
times, so what. I enjoy reading you, Neon John and a host of
others. I don't agree with all you/they write, so what. I
still like to read your/their posts.
This will be about all I'm gonna say on this subject, carry
on.
Hugh