KOA's that suck!
Twfsa
other private rv campgrounds there, that are alot nicer.The KOA in Puebelo
Colorado is another place that I would stay away from Both Pueblo and Green
River are the kinda places that make you wonder if you leave your unit
unattended will it be looted when you return..The sign@ Pueblo said under new
management,maybe it will get better. I did like the KOA in Estes Park Co.Well
maintained and clean restrooms and showers.If in Las Vegas Circus Circus is
nice,altho not a KOA,You will be pretty close to the strip.The KOA in Vegas is
along ways away from the strip. My .02 cents worth.Tom F.
John W. Irwin
they were terrific, real nice folks and nice, tree-shaded park. Visit there in
Wildflower time for a real treat. While you're in the area, visit the lady Bird
Johnson Wildflower Center in Austin (I'm a docent there).
Twfsa
try to make it a habit to stay at KOA's as ofter as possible,for the most part
there nice.Just thought I could save someone else some grief.
Michael R. Daymude, Esq.
that don't frequently charge more than the nicer RV parks. It is their
policy of chargin' for "everything" that many people, including myself,
do not like. There are never any more than a one night stand, for me. I
think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the market for
RVers. -- Michael
Jynndi
is off I 71 in Ohio, Loved the one on Flathead Lake MT. and the one in Grand
Junction CO.
Digger AKA Grumps (old and crusty)
JDavis1277
Perdido River.
Nice enough campground, but..... everything costs extra and the spaces are
sooooo close together.
Butch
JP
some KOA stuff in his store which had me asking the question "why aren't you
with KOA anymore?" His reply was that KOA had become to "restrictive" to
belong to anymore, so he dropped his affiliation. He also went to say that
many other KOAs had done the same. I couldn't get him be more specific about
it. Any ideas anyone?
Roger Woods
I used to do a lot of tent camping years ago. Before the KOA's came
along-- kind of dates me, doesn't it?-- you paid your money and took
your chances on any campground.
What a bunch of junky rip-offs. I pulled into one that had nice
shaded, grassy spaces along a small stream. It was real cheap and I
couldn't understand why such a great site cost so little.
I soon found out.
Hell of a storm came up that night, the stream rose, and I was
floating on water! Yes, floating.
Not very high, since the pegs held. The floor in the tent did not leak
a bit. I remember wondering whether I should get the hell out of there
in case there was a flash flood or something. The storm started dying
down and I went back to sleep. Next morning, I had to wade through a
couple inches of water to get to the bathroom. The tent was still
floating. :) I still have the tent, 10'X14'
Once the K's started appearing, word spread quickly about their decent
prices, cleanliness, and dependability. Kind of like the Holiday Inn
when it started. I used to use the Holiday Inn's when I got sick of
camping and wanted to lay back with a big AC cooling me.
Last year during a coast to coast business trip in an Escort (very bad
idea!) I decided to pull into a Holiday Inn and get a good night's
rest. Sticker shock! A hundred bucks a night? Eighty, if I had
reserved ahead.
I started checking prices for the K's for use after I start full
timing next year with a pickup camper! Good grief, Charlie Brown! I
don't think so. Not for an old dude on SS. Looks like I'm gonna spend
a lot of nights at freebies, Wal-Mart's, or sacked out in a rest area,
with a loaded and cocked shotgun pointed at the door. Yeah, I know, I
might blow my damned foot off.
Anyone know if there is a national camping chain that has less
expensive prices yet is consistent in quality from site to site? I
don't mean those where you have to pay big bucks up front for a
membership. I remember as the Holiday Inn prices started going up,
along came Motel 6 ($6.00 a night) then Motel 8 or others along those
lines. No restaurants, night clubs, nada but a decent bed and bath.
Maybe the same thing will happen with campgrounds.
Meanwhile, I'll keep the shotgun handy.
On 20 Jun 1999 14:45:29 GMT, tw...@aol.com (Twfsa) wrote:
>I stayed at the KOA in Green River Utah.The facility is dirty there's a few
Roger Woods, Norfolk, VA.
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Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
(Twfsa) wrote:
Unless they have seriously gone down hill since the last time I stayed
there I think you have unreasonable expectations
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>
> Anyone know if there is a national camping chain that has less
> expensive prices yet is consistent in quality from site to site? I
> don't mean those where you have to pay big bucks up front for a
> membership. I remember as the Holiday Inn prices started going up,
> along came Motel 6 ($6.00 a night) then Motel 8 or others along those
> lines. No restaurants, night clubs, nada but a decent bed and bath.
> Maybe the same thing will happen with campgrounds.
>
Unfortunately, KOA and Jellystone are the only traditional campground
franchises remaining in business today.
There used to be a few other franchise operations, including Safari,
but no more. All have reverted to private mom and pop operations, or
gone out of business. This is also the case with a lot of KOA's. The
total number of KOA's is down considerably from their heyday before
the gas crisis of the 70's.
There is an association of campgrounds called Holiday Travel Parks
still around, but these aren't really a "chain" operation in the
normal sense. This is an association of campgrounds sharing
advertising and centralized reservation resources.
And of course, you already are familiar with the membership operations,
which don't seem to own anything but the membership lists and
agreements with participating campgrounds. No bargains there, after
paying the annual charges and maintenance fees for the home park.
Hopefully something like the Motel 6 concept will happen in the
campground industry, but don't hold your breath. The cash flow
in a typical overnight park is so poor, and the upfront costs
are so onerous that nobody in their right (business) mind
has much interest in investing in the camping business.
--
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he hung up he remarked to his wife that they wanted $10,000 to wire 10 popup
camp sites (they were all in a row), and that was the low bid. Campgrounds are
expensive to set up.
Ed
Ken Wood
NM..... hot day and me tired to the max. Nice shady place, space, hook-ups.
Great. Went and checked in KNOWING next was shower and the mattress.
Figured, $20-$22. Ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching,
ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching, $37¢s!!! In SHOCK, as I
accepted that stupid wooden token which wood NOT get ME a dollar off in
their over-priced gift shop, I forked over the dough-re-me; showered, slept
well, AND HAVEN'T STAYED IN A K.O.A. SINCE..... and never will again.
End-of-story. YMMV [full-timer for three years and then some].
--
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<<<>>> [USA Ret., up&down]
To have really lived, you must have almost died.
To those who have fought for it, freedom
has a flavor the protected will never know.
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Michael R. Daymude, Esq. <attor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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wave rider
Vantare' H3-45. I was having a design meeting with them when I was asked
about the GPS system that we used(Phillips moving map) specifically how many
waypoints (addresses) the unit could store. I replied that it could store
100. They were disappointed, they wanted to be able to enter in all the Wall
Marts in the country. I asked why they wanted to put in the addresses of
Wall Marts, seems they did not like to pay 20 or so dollars for a camp
ground. The GPS was a $5000.00 option not to mention the $780,000.00 for
their Motorcoach.
Still am having trouble understanding that one.
Twfsa wrote in message <19990620231006...@ng-fb1.aol.com>...
>I don't know of another national camping chain,but there's a campgrownd
>directory,that is published every year.Kinda pricy at $13 -15.I wait till
the
>end of the year and pick it up for $5,at my local rv parts store.Its
usually
>good for a couple of years.
>
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Jan & Al
Durango KOA in April - prepaid for a couple nights, and after the first
night, with snow forcasted, we decided to head to Vegas rather than our
original plan of north through Salt Lake City. We left early in the am,
before the office opened. Left a note on the door advising that we were
leaving a day early, and requesting that they credit our Visa for the one
night left on our pre-pay. We were pleasantly surprised to arrive home and
find that our Visa had indeed been credited.
The park was quite nice - lots of trees and decent space between. If we
ever get back that way, we'll stay again.
Jan & Al.
Twfsa wrote in message <19990620104529...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
>I stayed at the KOA in Green River Utah.The facility is dirty there's a few
cyph...@webtv.net
and west coast.
Stayed at a KOA in Hayti Missouri...Worst bathroom and shower
facilities I have ever seen at a KOA. Staff was borderline rude.
Stayed at the New Orleans West KOA 3 days and found some of the best
bathroom and shower facilities I have ever seen at a KOA. The staff was
extremely friendly and helpful (as were all of the good people from New
Orleans we encountered while there).
You just never know what to expect with KOA.
Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
<the...@wav.con> wrote:
> $15.00 is pricey??? Reminds me of one of our customers who was building his
> Vantare' H3-45. I was having a design meeting with them when I was asked
> about the GPS system that we used(Phillips moving map) specifically how many
> waypoints (addresses) the unit could store. I replied that it could store
> 100. They were disappointed, they wanted to be able to enter in all the Wall
> Marts in the country. I asked why they wanted to put in the addresses of
> Wall Marts, seems they did not like to pay 20 or so dollars for a camp
> ground. The GPS was a $5000.00 option not to mention the $780,000.00 for
> their Motorcoach.
> Still am having trouble understanding that one.
Actually it's not an uncommon pattern. It's been reported again and
again that some number of the very high-end RV's are loth to spend money,
maybe how they got enough money to afford the expensive RV
HHamp5246
> Wall Marts, seems they did not like to pay 20 or so dollars for a camp
> ground. The GPS was a $5000.00 option not to mention the $780,000.00 for
> their Motorcoach.>
It's possible that they are stretching every month to make the payments and
meet the fuel bills for the hungry beast. Who knows... it's a free country...
live and let live.
Hunter
e...@best.com
Do the Woodalls and TL ratings accurately describe the quality of each KOA?
--
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wi...@epix.net
In Article<376D1AF0...@earthlink.net>,
<attor...@earthlink.net> writes:
> Of course not all KOAs suck. But, quite a few of them do and even
those
> that don't frequently charge more than the nicer RV parks. It is
their
> policy of chargin' for "everything" that many people, including
myself,
> do not like. There are never any more than a one night stand, for
me. I
> think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the market for
> RVers. -- Michael
Lawyer Michael needs a few lessons in bigotry. KOA's are generally
not OUR favorite either but we are grownup enough to realize that they
are quite variable in quality, features, price, and of course
location. Since our son's family has no RV but loves camping, KOA's
with "Kabins" are quite attractive to them.
And to balance the scale, the KOA's at Astoria OR and Victoria BC are
VERY nice.
Also, it's worth mentioning that we complained to KOA about miserable
management and conditions at one CG - and it's no longer part of the
KOA system.
It's foolish to condemn the entire KOA (or Cracker Barrel or Pizza Hut
or even $Camping World$ - you name it) network on the basis of a few
experiences.
Will KD3XR
wi...@epix.net
> Do the Woodalls and TL ratings accurately describe the quality of
>each KOA?
Absolutely not. They cannot, do not, and will not ever do a GOOD job
of reporting "quality". Because it cannot be done to everyonbe's
satisfaction. What you think is good is bad to others.
Someone howled with indignation about a KOA that charged them over
$30... hey, last weekend my daughter reserved us a non-KOA place in
Maine and paid $46 for one nite for 3 adults. There were motels within
a mile charging less.
Will KD3XR
Brad Slaughter
Maine? ((((shudder))))
Brad
wi...@epix.net wrote in article <NEWTNews.92998...@epix.net>...
wi...@epix.net
In Article<01bebc18$707f9900$08218ed1@default>, <brad...@inreach.com>
writes, reacting to the news that my daughter signed us up at a place
that charges $46 a nite for 3 people:
> Is your daughter mad at you? ...Or is that price what I should
>expect in Maine? ((((shudder))))
> Brad
Neither. In fact, others are far more reasonable -- and she paid the
bill!
That is an all-time record for our 40+ years of staying in CG's, one
that I am fairly sure we'll not break for a while. So as not to be
secretive, the place is the WELLS BEACH RESORT in Wells Maine. Nice
but NOT (IMO) worth the $$$. It is not on the beach, and to get to the
beach you must pay other pirates for the privelege of parking a couple
of miles away, from which spaces you can then walk to the beach.
MANY highly-populated shore areas are pretty high-priced, but once
you come to grips with the reality that shore-side real estate is
considered precious, you park your rig in one of the thousands of
inland facilities, and visit the beaches any way you can. There are
probably less than a half-dozen CG's in the entire State of Maine that
are actually on the water.
To get any measure of privacy & space, you must get well north of
Freeport.
Maine seafood is SO good, however, that you can soon overlook some of
the drawbacks.
Will KD3XR
Terence Danks
>
>Lawyer Michael needs a few lessons in bigotry.
What does THAT mean?
>[snip]
>Also, it's worth mentioning that we complained to KOA about miserable
>management and conditions at one CG - and it's no longer part of the
>KOA system.
>
As I understand it, this is NOT Will's (or my) job. It is the job of
the KOA to ensure their franchisees meet the criteria. My ONE
experience with KOA indicate they do a lousy of job of it. Good thing
Will is there to check on things . . . KOA apparently doesn't despite
what they claim. Will, the showers at the Devil's Tower KOA are a mess
. . . check it out!
>It's foolish to condemn the entire KOA (or Cracker Barrel or Pizza Hut
>or even $Camping World$ - you name it) network on the basis of a few
>experiences.
It is, apparently, equally as foolish to expect KOA to offer
facilities any better than anybody else's. They sure do charge more
though!
I no longer seek out KOA's. They are no better than unfranchised CG's
but do seem to charge more.
Doesn't mean I'll never stay at one again . . . just that my
expectations are that they don't deliver any more, or less than the
highly variable quality of facilities that the "unlicensed" CG's do.
I'll report back when my experience base is larger... don't hold your
breath though. One bad experience with KOA is such that you tend to
look elsewhere. My own personal experience is that the cheapest places
are the best. The free NFS CG's are the finest of all. The NPS sites
are a close second . . . not free of course.
Yes,perhaps I hit the only not "up to snuff KOA" that somehow slipped
through that rigorous inspection routine KOA claims . . .nahh! I doubt
it. Not goin' back.
Dfrenchy
peninsula so you get beautiful sunrises and sunsets, there is a bald eagle's
nest across the inlet. You can dig clams (with a $7 license) but you have to
obey the rules otherwise the clam police get you. Three years ago the rate was
$13.50. Firewood was 2.25.
I feel like I'm in heaven when I am there!
Just thinking about those clams makes me hungry!
This is a good place to stop if you are heading for New Brunswick.
Jynndi
who run these places on the coast must make their money while the ocean water
is warm (about 45F degress) 8-)
Robert J Barron
> Not all KOA's suck. We recently had a rally at the KOA in Fredericksburg, TX and
> they were terrific, real nice folks and nice, tree-shaded park. Visit there in
> Wildflower time for a real treat. While you're in the area, visit the lady Bird
> Johnson Wildflower Center in Austin (I'm a docent there).
Whats a docent???
Bob
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the docents dread.
Robert J Barron wrote:
>
> Whats a docent???
>
> Bob
G Sanders
Could be any number of reasons.
Some of the following are irritants that I'm aware of, listed in
no particular order.
Kabins You know those cute KOA Kabins you see at most of the KOA's?
Well, KOA requires that all franchise campgrounds have them, even if
the business isn't there to keep 'em filled. And the cabin design has
to meet _Very_ strict design standards that no one but KOA's supplier
provides. They ain't cheap, but before KOA will renew a 5 year
franchise, the owner has to buy at least one.
The store. KOA has lists of items that have to be stocked at each KOA,
depending on how many camper nights a campground does. (A campground
that only does say, 5000 camper nights doesn't have to stock quite as
many different items as a campground that does 10,000 camper nights.)
During the annual inspection by KOA's inspectors, points are deducted
for each item that's not stocked. The problem is, no consideration
is given to those cases where the campground may be located near a
Wal Mart or a grocery store, and couldn't sell an item in the campground
store no matter what. He still has to stock all those items. Also,
no consideration is given to the fact that store sales are so bad that
no grocery wholesaler will do business with the campground. So the
campground owner has to go to the local grocery store to buy stuff
for the store, just to keep the inspectors happy. (Wonder why campground
store stuff is so high priced?) Then, because store sales are bad,
anything with an expiration date on it winds up being thrown out at
a total loss because it expires. Hard to make a profit that way.
Royalties. KOA owners are required to submit a percentage of all
registration income to KOA headquarters on a weekly basis. Some KOA
owners don't like this, and some have figured out ways to beat the
system, and gyp KOA headquarters of their due. If you ever get a
KOA receipt, and it doesn't have a serial number on it, the KOA
owner is probably skimming royalties.
Of course, there's always the case where the campground simply
doesn't _NEED_ KOA to keep it's sites filled, such as a popular
tourist destination, or the only campground for 300 miles on a
major Interstate highway. Some have dropped out of the KOA
system for these reasons.
Then there's always the case of the owner that simply disagrees
with being told how to do anything, and he's going to run his
business "his way" (regardless of the fact that he signed a
franchise agreement that outlined KOA's expectations and
requirements). So they part ways (usually to fail shortly
thereafter).
George Lowry
>
>In Article<376D1AF0...@earthlink.net>,
><attor...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>> Of course not all KOAs suck. But, quite a few of them do and even
>those
>> that don't frequently charge more than the nicer RV parks. It is
>their
>> policy of chargin' for "everything" that many people, including
>myself,
>> do not like. There are never any more than a one night stand, for
>me. I
>> think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the market for
>> RVers. -- Michael
>
>Lawyer Michael needs a few lessons in bigotry. KOA's are generally
>not OUR favorite either but we are grownup enough to realize that they
>are quite variable in quality, features, price, and of course
>location. Since our son's family has no RV but loves camping, KOA's
>with "Kabins" are quite attractive to them.
>
>And to balance the scale, the KOA's at Astoria OR and Victoria BC are
>VERY nice.
>
>Also, it's worth mentioning that we complained to KOA about miserable
>management and conditions at one CG - and it's no longer part of the
>KOA system.
>
>It's foolish to condemn the entire KOA (or Cracker Barrel or Pizza Hut
>or even $Camping World$ - you name it) network on the basis of a few
>experiences.
>
>Will KD3XR
While I agree with the general philosophy that you shouldn't judge the
whole barrel by one apple, several years ago, we stopped in to a KFC
for our dinner while on the road. It was not until we were well on
our way that we discovered that the chicken was not cooked - it was
half raw. Ever since, neither of us can bring ourselves to going to
KFC again..
Another example was Subway - When my wife pulled a gob of hair out of
her sandwich, that was the last time we have visited them.
Perhaps we are bigoted too but that is the way it is...
George
G Sanders
>
> Lawyer Michael isn't a bigot... hello! He's giving his opinion about their
> pricing... that's not being a bigot. Since KOAs are a franchise it stands to
> reason that their pricing and their quality should be uniform. Apparently
> that's not the case.
And therein lies the problem. KOA (the corporate entity) goes to great
lengths to attempt to get it's franchisee's to adhere to the corporate
standards. KOA has standards for practically everything, and inspects
every campground on an annual basis.
The campgrounds are measured against this standard, and given a rating.
It's possible to fail this inspection, and numerous campgrounds do
every year.
Now, you would think that if a campground failed KOA's inspection
year after year, they'd be kicked out of the system. Well, it doesn't
happen. Basically, the ONLY way a campground can lose it's franchise
is failure to pay royalties, or commit some other form of fraud! Of
course, KOA may elect not to renew the campground's franchise come
renewal time, but since the franchise runs for 5 years, a campground
can be in really bad shape for a long time before anything can be
done about it.
It's really a shame that KOA can't enforce it's standards with strong
action, because a relatively small number of bad campgrounds have
managed to drag the good ones down in the mud with them.
Gert Zander
>
> In article <376d...@news.uncensored-news.com>, "wave rider"
> <the...@wav.con> wrote:
>
> > $15.00 is pricey??? Reminds me of one of our customers who was building his
> > Vantare' H3-45. I was having a design meeting with them when I was asked
> > about the GPS system that we used(Phillips moving map) specifically how many
> > waypoints (addresses) the unit could store. I replied that it could store
> > 100. They were disappointed, they wanted to be able to enter in all the Wall
> > Wall Marts, seems they did not like to pay 20 or so dollars for a camp
> > ground. The GPS was a $5000.00 option not to mention the $780,000.00 for
> > their Motorcoach.
> Actually it's not an uncommon pattern. It's been reported again and
> again that some number of the very high-end RV's are loth to spend money,
> maybe how they got enough money to afford the expensive RV
>
> --
Gert
HHamp5246
>>not OUR favorite either but we are grownup enough to realize that they
>>are quite variable in quality, features, price, and of course location. >>
Lawyer Michael isn't a bigot... hello! He's giving his opinion about their
pricing... that's not being a bigot. Since KOAs are a franchise it stands to
reason that their pricing and their quality should be uniform. Apparently
that's not the case.
The reason McDonalds is so successful is when you go into any Mickey D's you
expect a certain standard.... and almost always get it.
I have only stayed in one KOA, for a week... on the west side of St. Louis near
Six Flags... I liked it, but it wasn't cheap. I knoew what it would cost before
I went there so I can't complain.
Hunter
wi...@epix.net
In Article<376EC97F...@bigfoot.com>, <gsan...@bigfoot.com>
writes to suggest a raft of good reasons why a CG owner might opt to
get out of the KOA system, and frankly they all make some sense to me.
But I'd like to add that there are some equally good reasons why the
KOA organization might opt to drop some operators. This might include
not only cheaters who fail to keep their end of the franchise
bargain, but operators who fail to meet agreed standards of
cleanliness, repair, and customer service, or who cheat customers,
fail to pay their bills, etc. The franchize is a two-way street!
While I'm very sympathetic to Gary's POV that KOA makes some demands
that really are not reasonable for all CG's, George Lowry's point is a
good one: right or wrong, we ALL tend to allow bad memories of one
franshise operation to color our thinking about the whole system.
I was a bit hard on lawyer Michael on this issue, I suppose, but his
statement seemd SO close to the old "ALL blacks are thieves" nonsense!
There are good and bad KFC's, clean and dirty Burger Kings, fine and
not-so-fine KOA's, etc, etc. I just hope MOST people will not forever
condemn an entire chain because some bozo treated them badly at ONE
place!
Will KD3XR
HHamp5246
>action, because a relatively small number of bad campgrounds have
>managed to drag the good ones down in the mud with them.
Exactly my point... you just said it better (c:
Hunter
Row
<SNIP>
>There are good and bad KFC's, clean and dirty Burger Kings, fine and
>not-so-fine KOA's, etc, etc. I just hope MOST people will not forever
>condemn an entire chain because some bozo treated them badly at ONE
>place!
>
>Will KD3XR
>
Couldn't agree more! I've been rather lucky in 5 years of 'camping',
starting out with a tent, graduating recently to a travel trailer (getting
older 'n lazy). I usually stay at a KOA when I can, and have had nothing
but warm welcomes and clean facilities, so I must've missed the 'bad' ones
along the way. The best KOA I've visited is in McCalla/Tannehill, AL (near
B'ham) - stop there twice a year on the way to visit Mom. Friendliest folks
around that will bend over backwards to accomodate just about anything you
want.
Happy Campin'
Row
wave rider
customers, bought the entire plant, roughly 200 people, a catered lunch. I
meet and deal with just about every customer who is having a coach built and
all but 4 have been very nice, down to earth people. Those 4 though, wow
were they something else!! The two nicest were Larry and Jill Hill two super
people.
Gert Zander wrote in message <376F0DB9...@earthlink.net>...
>Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie wrote:
<snip>
>They certainly didn't get the money by being loose with theirs.
>
>Gert
>
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Greg Surratt
Massachusetts was charging $46 a night last year. Not even on the
beach. And since that was last year's price, it probably is
approaching $50 this year.
We paid $18 a night at a small, private campground on a lake nearby.
Greg
'98 3500 QC 4x2 Cummins ISB, Auto, 3.54:1,
Driftwood with Leather and all the heavy duty options.
'80 Fleetwood Prowler, 23 footer.
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:25:25 GMT, wi...@epix.net wrote:
>That is an all-time record for our 40+ years of staying in CG's, one
>that I am fairly sure we'll not break for a while. So as not to be
>secretive, the place is the WELLS BEACH RESORT in Wells Maine. Nice
>but NOT (IMO) worth the $$$. It is not on the beach, and to get to the
>beach you must pay other pirates for the privelege of parking a couple
>of miles away, from which spaces you can then walk to the beach.
>Will KD3XR
nos...@humbug.com
On 1999-06-21 wi...@epix.net said:
>In Article<7klg7d$k6n$1...@shell7.ba.best.com>, <e...@best.com> writes:
>> Do the Woodalls and TL ratings accurately describe the quality of
>>each KOA?
>Absolutely not. They cannot, do not, and will not ever do a GOOD
>job of reporting "quality". Because it cannot be done to
>everyonbe's satisfaction. What you think is good is bad to others.
>Someone howled with indignation about a KOA that charged them over
>$30... hey, last weekend my daughter reserved us a non-KOA place
>in Maine and paid $46 for one nite for 3 adults. There were motels
>within a mile charging less.
>Will KD3XR
A fool and his money..you know the rest!
Paul Hoffman
Jynndi <jyn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990620132508...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
> >Of course not all KOAs suck. But, quite a few of them do
sux
> is off I 71 in Ohio, .
>
> Digger AKA Grumps (old and crusty)
If this is the one near Mt. Gilead in Ohio I agree 100 percent. I stayed
there 2 years ago and was not impressed. Unless they have done major work I
would avoid it. Paul
Jynndi
I believe that is the one.
Robert Stallman
I avoid KOA's when ever I can, my oppinion is they are over rated and over
priced.
Bob Stallman
Bill Lederer
campgrounds. The only difference, usually, is the additional price.
Bill
jyn...@aol.com (Jynndi) wrote:
>>Of course not all KOAs suck. But, quite a few of them do
>AGREE, we usually use them for one niters (easy on/off th hwy.) \One that sux
>is off I 71 in Ohio, Loved the one on Flathead Lake MT. and the one in Grand
>Junction CO.
Bill Lederer
guess not a lot.
As for them going up hill or down hill, they are just a bunch of
private campgrounds. Some good, some bad.
Bill
rlin...@kendaco.telebyte.com (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie) wrote:
>In article <19990620111540...@ng-fx1.aol.com>, tw...@aol.com
>(Twfsa) wrote:
>
>> Didn't say they all sucked just the ones in Green River and Pueblo Colorado..I
>> try to make it a habit to stay at KOA's as ofter as possible,for the most part
>> there nice.Just thought I could save someone else some grief.
>
> Unless they have seriously gone down hill since the last time I stayed
>there I think you have unreasonable expectations
>
>--
>Ralph Lindberg personal email n7...@amsat.org
>RV and Camping FAQ http://kendaco.telebyte.com/rlindber/rv
> If Windows is the answer I would really like to know what the question is
Bill Lederer
stayed there?
Bill L
Bill Lederer
are no different. As long as they keep paying the franchise fees, it's
"business as usual". The best and only point about both places is that
you can complain to a higher authority.
Bill L
wi...@epix.net wrote:
>
>In Article<376D1AF0...@earthlink.net>,
><attor...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>> Of course not all KOAs suck. But, quite a few of them do and even
>those
>> that don't frequently charge more than the nicer RV parks. It is
>their
>> policy of chargin' for "everything" that many people, including
>myself,
>> do not like. There are never any more than a one night stand, for
>me. I
>> think they have pretty much priced themselves out of the market for
>> RVers. -- Michael
>
>Lawyer Michael needs a few lessons in bigotry. KOA's are generally
>not OUR favorite either but we are grownup enough to realize that they
>are quite variable in quality, features, price, and of course
Marc Callier
is wooded, the facilities are clean, and the folks running it are
friendly. We stayed there last August and, obviously, were quite
impressed. There is also another real nice campground in the
area, Larive Lake RV Resort. It's just up the road from the Evans
Plunge hot springs pool. It features a private lake that you can
fish "catch and release", paddle boats you can rent,facilities
that are also very clean, and the owners who are very friendly.
The rates are also pretty good; we payed in the $21 neighborhood.
Avoid the KOA in Rapid City and the one outside of Custer. We
didn't stay at the one in Rapid, so I'm only judging it by its
appearance and the one real unfriendly person behind the counter
on a blustery summer afternoon. The one outside of Custer was
right on the road and it was like pulling teeth to get one of the
sites down the hill in the wooded area that was somewhat removed
from the highway. The owner said they liked to fill the pull
through slots right by the highway before they put people in the
shade.
Rnjoy the day!
--
mc
Derek R. Larson
Bill Lederer <led...@ibm.net> wrote:
>Does anyone know what it takes tobecome a KOA campground? I would
>guess not a lot.
You must have a location adjacent to railroad tracks that carry heavy
freight traffic all night long.
--
________________________________________________________________________
Derek R. Larson Indiana University Dept. of History
"Nothing interesting occurred today..."
-Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806
Derek R. Larson
Roger Woods <dorem...@your.net> wrote:
>
>
>Anyone know if there is a national camping chain that has less
>expensive prices yet is consistent in quality from site to site? I
Try the US Forest, Bureau of Land Management, and Bureau of Reclamation.
Between those three agencies you'll finding decent camping sites in all
the western states and many of the others-- all are cataloged at
www.recreation.gov and many are equipped with hookups. Sites are about
$10 a night generally speaking, more in some places and less in many
others.
-drl