Holiday Rambler RLD plumbing schematic

[Albert]

From the time I bought this rig new I been trying to find a plumbing
schematic for it. Monaco in the past has not had it and every time I
try to find it using Google search nothing turns up. This last time
(this morning) I found one place but the first thing they wanted was
my credit card number :-(.

So up until I bought this rig the potty discharged straight down into
the black water tank. With this one I can see that it takes a 45° turn
away from the dump valve which is on the opposite side of where you
look up the slinky. The dump valve hookup lever is on a long quarter
inch metal rod going on way across the rig to the opposite side. The
potty also sets on the side where the dump valve is at. Apparently
the 45° L is to keep the potty from dumping on top of the dump valve?

So I really would like to find out exactly the crap flows ;-). There
is a complete insulation membrane in covering the bottom of the rig so
you can't say anything. I cut a hole in it were the dump valve is at
because one time the metal connecting rod came off, other than that
it's pretty much a mystery.

Albert
27'Holiday Rambler RLD Fiver
2013 Dodge crew cab Cummins
(make it S instead of Z to email me
aml...@hotmail.com

[nothermark]

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 08:26:47 -0600, Albert <aml...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I know the feeling. I'd like to know what emties into black and what
into gray on ours...Might start shaving in the kitchen. ;-)

[Hank]

On Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:26:47 AM UTC-4, Albert wrote:
> From the time I bought this rig new I been trying to find a plumbing
>
> schematic for it. Monaco in the past has not had it and every time I
>
> try to find it using Google search nothing turns up. This last time
>
> (this morning) I found one place but the first thing they wanted was
>
> my credit card number :-(.
>
>
>
> So up until I bought this rig the potty discharged straight down into
>

> the black water tank. With this one I can see that it takes a 45� turn

>
> away from the dump valve which is on the opposite side of where you
>
> look up the slinky. The dump valve hookup lever is on a long quarter
>
> inch metal rod going on way across the rig to the opposite side. The
>
> potty also sets on the side where the dump valve is at. Apparently
>

> the 45� L is to keep the potty from dumping on top of the dump valve?

>
>
>
> So I really would like to find out exactly the crap flows ;-). There
>
> is a complete insulation membrane in covering the bottom of the rig so
>
> you can't say anything. I cut a hole in it were the dump valve is at
>
> because one time the metal connecting rod came off, other than that
>
> it's pretty much a mystery.
>
>
>
> Albert

I'm not sure you need a "plumbing schematic". I am under the impression that your toilet(s) dumps into the black tank in ALL RV's, and every other drain dumps into the Gray tank. The fact it has a 45 degree elbow only means it doesn't sit atop the Black tank and must travel a distance before entering the tank.

Hank

[nothermark]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 04:15:52 -0700 (PDT), Hank <nineb...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:26:47 AM UTC-4, Albert wrote:
>> From the time I bought this rig new I been trying to find a plumbing
>>
>> schematic for it. Monaco in the past has not had it and every time I
>>
>> try to find it using Google search nothing turns up. This last time
>>
>> (this morning) I found one place but the first thing they wanted was
>>
>> my credit card number :-(.
>>
>>
>>
>> So up until I bought this rig the potty discharged straight down into
>>

>> the black water tank. With this one I can see that it takes a 45� turn

>>
>> away from the dump valve which is on the opposite side of where you
>>
>> look up the slinky. The dump valve hookup lever is on a long quarter
>>
>> inch metal rod going on way across the rig to the opposite side. The
>>
>> potty also sets on the side where the dump valve is at. Apparently
>>

>> the 45� L is to keep the potty from dumping on top of the dump valve?

>>
>>
>>
>> So I really would like to find out exactly the crap flows ;-). There
>>
>> is a complete insulation membrane in covering the bottom of the rig so
>>
>> you can't say anything. I cut a hole in it were the dump valve is at
>>
>> because one time the metal connecting rod came off, other than that
>>
>> it's pretty much a mystery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert
>
>I'm not sure you need a "plumbing schematic". I am under the impression that your toilet(s) dumps into the black tank in ALL RV's, and every other drain dumps into the Gray tank. The fact it has a 45 degree elbow only means it doesn't sit atop the Black tank and must travel a distance before entering the tank.
>
>Hank

I used to think that but now I am not so sure. With the kitchen on
one side and the bathroom on the other I am not all that sure they
cross the pipe over for gray. Don't know they do not either.

[Albert]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 04:15:52 -0700 (PDT), Hank <nineb...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, July 4, 2013 10:26:47 AM UTC-4, Albert wrote:
>> From the time I bought this rig new I been trying to find a plumbing
>>
>> schematic for it. Monaco in the past has not had it and every time I
>>
>> try to find it using Google search nothing turns up. This last time
>>
>> (this morning) I found one place but the first thing they wanted was
>>
>> my credit card number :-(.
>>
>>
>>
>> So up until I bought this rig the potty discharged straight down into
>>

>> the black water tank. With this one I can see that it takes a 45� turn

>>
>> away from the dump valve which is on the opposite side of where you
>>
>> look up the slinky. The dump valve hookup lever is on a long quarter
>>
>> inch metal rod going on way across the rig to the opposite side. The
>>
>> potty also sets on the side where the dump valve is at. Apparently
>>

>> the 45� L is to keep the potty from dumping on top of the dump valve?

>>
>>
>>
>> So I really would like to find out exactly the crap flows ;-). There
>>
>> is a complete insulation membrane in covering the bottom of the rig so
>>
>> you can't say anything. I cut a hole in it were the dump valve is at
>>
>> because one time the metal connecting rod came off, other than that
>>
>> it's pretty much a mystery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert
>
>I'm not sure you need a "plumbing schematic". I am under the impression that your toilet(s) dumps into the black tank in ALL RV's, and every other drain dumps into the Gray tank.
>The fact it has a 45 degree elbow only means it doesn't sit atop the Black tank and must travel a distance before entering the tank.

That's RV basics 101 :-)

>Hank

When I first started RVing I had a little 24 foot TT that the potty
dumped straight down into the black water tank. I had purchased a wand
that goes on the end of a water hose with a head that squirted water
out in a 360° plus forward to use if an infamous pyramid were formed.

When I started getting fivers I bought flashing kits and installed
them but they still dumped straight down. This Alumascape is different
and has a flushing system installed as part of the water handling
console. I was just curious to see exactly how it was configured while
keeping in mind that infamous pyramid. I've already had one instance
where it stops up in the 45° turn. I just want to know if it turns
back 45° to go straight down again.

As a side note when our chapter had gone to the North rim of the GC in
June another chapter member that has a Holiday Rambler worked about
six hours trying to un-stop his potty. He had tried to un-stop it by
hooking a water hose up to his slinky drain and backfilling it when
the problem was in that 45° turn. I guess he didn't realize that with
the vent on the tank it would have filled up the tank and run out the
top. Another chapter member showed up with a small Roto-Rooter type
tool and removed to plug. Or could it be in a pyramid???

As far as the graywater is concerned there are two tanks one for the
shower/bath sink and another for the kitchen sink, both 20 gallon. The
Blackwater is a single 40 gallon tank. My owner's manual shows the
basic configuration of the tanks and piping.

I just thought if I could get a drawing of the configuration inside
the black water tank and made is available it would be helpful for
other people to understand. At the very least if I can get a true
verbal description I could do my own drawing because I finally got
AutoCAD 13 working with Windows 8 yesterday.

When I bumped up to Windows 8 Swmbo authorized a new 27 inch monitor
and AutoCAD is so much better on it.

Albert

[Hunter Hampton]

On 7/4/2013 8:26 AM, Albert wrote:
> So up until I bought this rig the potty discharged straight down into
> the black water tank. With this one I can see that it takes a 45° turn
> away from the dump valve which is on the opposite side of where you
> look up the slinky. The dump valve hookup lever is on a long quarter
> inch metal rod going on way across the rig to the opposite side. The
> potty also sets on the side where the dump valve is at. Apparently
> the 45° L is to keep the potty from dumping on top of the dump valve?

Hi Albert,

I can't for the life of me understand why you care which way the crap
flows.... FWIW my Airstream doesn't dump straight into the black tank,
there's a bend in the elbow going down.... but it never occurred to me
to care.

After many years on the road and zillions of dump stations I finally
have the ideal best way to keep this thing working right.....

I carry a large bucket..... the kind you can buy at Home Depot and put a
tool wrap around..... mine had horse wormer in it but they are the same.

Then I bought an oil drain pan with a pour lip. They cost a buck or
two.....

The slinky fits in the large bucket, the oil drain pan fits over the top
like a lid and they live in a Rubbermaid container.

When its time to dump my tanks the black oil drain bucket goes under the
sewer outlet, to catch any leakage..... when I remove the cap.

The large bucket gets filled with water and if the bllack tank isn't
full I pour a bucket of water down the toilet.

After the black tank has finished dumping I pour two more bucket of
water down the toilet, with the drain still open. Then shut the drain
and pour about 1/3 bucket into the toilet so the black tank floor
doesn't dry out....

Then dump the gray tank....

Unhook slinky, put back in large bucket, pour any leakage that's in the
oil change pan down the sewer.. rinse and put on top of large bucket and
it all goes back in Rubbermaid container til next time.

At no point does it matter if there's a turn in the elbow....

Hunter

[Hank]

On Monday, July 8, 2013 9:29:45 AM UTC-4, Albert wrote:
I just want to know if it turns
>
> back 45° to go straight down again.
>
>
>
> As a side note when our chapter had gone to the North rim of the GC in
>
> June another chapter member that has a Holiday Rambler worked about
>
> six hours trying to un-stop his potty. He had tried to un-stop it by
>
> hooking a water hose up to his slinky drain and backfilling it when
>
> the problem was in that 45° turn. I guess he didn't realize that with
>
> the vent on the tank it would have filled up the tank and run out the
>
> top. Another chapter member showed up with a small Roto-Rooter type
>
> tool and removed to plug. Or could it be in a pyramid???

>
>
>

> I just thought if I could get a drawing of the configuration inside
>
> the black water tank and made is available it would be helpful for
>
> other people to understand. At the very least if I can get a true
>
> verbal description I could do my own drawing because
>
>
>

> Albert

It could be possible that after the 45, it goes straight into the side of the tank rather than the top. Having everything covered makes it hard to draw out what you can't see. :-)

Good luck.

Hank

[Albert]

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:21:53 -0600, Hunter Hampton
<airstrea...@geemail.com> wrote:

Snipped

>
>Hi Albert,
>
>I can't for the life of me understand why you care which way the crap
>flows.... FWIW my Airstream doesn't dump straight into the black tank,
>there's a bend in the elbow going down.... but it never occurred to me
>to care.

Well, I have already mentioned that I had a commode stop up in the 45°
L one time (and that's when I found out the L was there) and one of
our chapter members did also. It's always been my philosophy to know
and understand how something works to where when it stops working
properly I'll know where to look to fix it.

Like I said my rig has a flushing system on the black water tank which
I use religiously. One other thing that I do if at all possible. I
don't dump when I leave a campground that way traveling down the road
the shaking will emulsify all of the solids in the tank and the first
thing I do when I park it is dump and I don't have to worry about stop
ups. And by the way all the paper is also emulsified and everything
just flushes down the slinky at which time I then dump both graywater
tanks to flush the slinky. I have a 5 inch PVC pipe that's 8 feet long
(the width of the trailer) that I made as storage for the slinky. I
can get 35 foot in it (that is like an accordion).

I also believe the flushing system on for about five minutes to make
sure the tank is in dry. That way I don't have to track in and out of
the rig while I'm flushing and dumping.

The chapter member that had a stop up had just bought the rig and it
was used so possibly his problem came with the rig?

I guess the bottom line is everyone has their own method that
generally one is not better than the other just different :-).

One other thing that I will admit to this whole brainstorm came about
during the winter months when we weren't pulling and I had to have
something to do ;-)

Albert

[Hunter Hampton]

On 7/8/2013 1:47 PM, Albert wrote:
> Like I said my rig has a flushing system on the black water tank which
> I use religiously.

My Airstream has that too.... but I find it quicker and easier just to
dump the big bucket full of water down the toilet, that way if anyone is
waiting for me to use the dump, they don't have to wait while I fool
with the hose and hook up.

Hunter

[Hank]

On Monday, July 8, 2013 3:47:50 PM UTC-4, Albert wrote:

> Well, I have already mentioned that I had a commode stop up in the 45°
>
> L one time (and that's when I found out the L was there) and one of
>
> our chapter members did also. It's always been my philosophy to know
>
> and understand how something works to where when it stops working
>
> properly I'll know where to look to fix it.

>Albert

Most of the clogs that I have seen have been feminine hygene products, too much toilet paper each use, or large stool. I know you can't do much the feminine products, but you can suggest using less TP. As for the other problem I would like to suggest more fiber. :-)

Hank

[Janet Wilder]

The feminine hygiene products should *NOT* be going into the toilet.

Maybe some man forgot to mention it.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

[Debbie]

What in the devil are feminine hygiene products doing in the toilet????
They don't belong in a travel trailer/motorhome toilet. You need to
educate whoever is using the toilet and doing that.

[Lone Haranguer]

The last A models we owned the bathroom sink also drained into
the black tank.

LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

Whew! That sounds like a half hour at the dump station. Our
macerator has made dumping an easier chore.

A 15 foot rubber garden hose replaced the slinky. We also use a
bucket of water to rinse after the black tank is empty
and then dump the gray water to rinse the hose. A couple gallons
of water with some dishwashing liquid go into the black tank
before we hit the road. The sloshing of soapy water gets any
sticky stuff off the side of the tank.

LZ

[Albert]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Hank <nineb...@aol.com>
wrote:

Well, like I said I'll soon be 79 and my wife is somewhat younger than
I am so I cannot think of any feminine hygiene products that would
clog up the works. Although as far as a toilet paper goes including my
wife we had three women in our family with the kids growing up and I
had to unstop the commode at home quite often. And the toilet paper
goes round and round and round and round... And round the hand before
it's used, now that stops up toilets times three ;-)

Albert

[nothermark]

On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:46:45 -0600, Albert <aml...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

I wonder if it is a toilet issue. On the old Thetford the water was
on a separate lever so I could add a bit for a solid load. On the new
toilet I have not figured out how to do that. Maybe careful playing
with the pedal. Maybe not as there is a definite race between the
water coming in and the valve dumping it. Perhaps adding a glass of
water in advance? Or Hunter's bucket...

[Lone Haranguer]

Or probotics like sauerkraut.

LZ

[Janet Wilder]

Our toilet has one pedal. To add water to the bowl, you depress it
lightly and water will come in. Depress it all the way to flush.

Sometimes you need to read the instructions :-)

[Albert]

Originally I had set up parking for the Rambler behind our garage and
laid a 4 inch line tied into our septic system for a dumpsite. The
problem with that set up was when it rained I couldn't get the rig
out. So I moved the parking about 50 feet away so unfortunately I
couldn't dump as I did before. Easier access but no dumpsite.

We Use the rig is a spare bedroom when the kids come to visit so I
just got through setting up a new macerator that I had ordered from
Amazon. Now I can dump. I had to install a 12 V plug-in for. It's
about 46 feet from my original four-inch line. As I understand that I
think it's advertised you can pump that distance with up to six or 8
foot rise?

Albert

[K Miller]

Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
> Our toilet has one pedal. To add water to the bowl, you depress it
> lightly and water will come in. Depress it all the way to flush.

Ours also has one pedal but you raise the pedal with your foot to add water
to the bowl and depress the pedal to flush.

>
> Sometimes you need to read the instructions :-)

What!!!? Are you crazy?

[Hank]

On Monday, July 8, 2013 6:46:03 PM UTC-4, Debbie wrote:

> > Most of the clogs that I have seen have been feminine hygene products, too much toilet paper each use, or large stool. I know you can't do much the feminine products, but you can suggest using less TP. As for the other problem I would like to suggest more fiber. :-)
>
> >
>
> > Hank
>
> >
>
> What in the devil are feminine hygiene products doing in the toilet????
>
> They don't belong in a travel trailer/motorhome toilet. You need to
>
> educate whoever is using the toilet and doing that.

Easier said than done when your teeenage daughter has a bunch of friends over. You can tell them, but that doesn't mean they are going to listen, esp. to a MAN. :-) Most city girls just flush them down the toilet. They have no clue how a septic tank, or RV tank works.

The time before last I dumped at the Flyin J, there were at least 3 bloody tampons laying next to the dump hole when I arrived. At first I thought they were little white mice that had been squished(because of the tail/string). You women are yucky! LOL

Hank

[nothermark]

Don't recall trying up. Down lightly requires the touch of a ballet
dancer.

[Debbie]

Teenagers. Enough said.

[Lone Haranguer]

Write it on the bathroom mirror with lipstick.

LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

>> the Our

>> water coming in and the valve dumping it. Perhaps adding a
>> glass of
>> water in advance? Or Hunter's bucket...
>>
> Our toilet has one pedal. To add water to the bowl, you
> depress it lightly and water will come in. Depress it all the
> way to flush.
>
> Sometimes you need to read the instructions :-)
>

Ours also has one pedal; Push down to flush, pull up to add water
in the bowl and direct water to the rinsing hose.

LZ

[Lone Haranguer]

Instead of wiring a new plug I carry a 12V garden tractor battery
in the sewer compartment. It comes in handy for other uses too.

At the farmI run 225 ft. to the septic tank but it slopes
slightly downhill. I've pumped into vault toilets that were 4-5
ft higher than the pump and it didn't slow down any.

LZ

[Albert]

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:25:17 -0500, Lone Haranguer
<linu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Snipped for space

>> tic system for a dumpsite. The
>> problem with that set up was when it rained I couldn't get the rig
>> out. So I moved the parking about 50 feet away so unfortunately I
>> couldn't dump as I did before. Easier access but no dumpsite.
>>
>> We Use the rig is a spare bedroom when the kids come to visit so I
>> just got through setting up a new macerator that I had ordered from
>> Amazon. Now I can dump. I had to install a 12 V plug-in for. It's
>> about 46 feet from my original four-inch line. As I understand that I
>> think it's advertised you can pump that distance with up to six or 8
>> foot rise?
>>
>> Albert
>Instead of wiring a new plug I carry a 12V garden tractor battery
>in the sewer compartment. It comes in handy for other uses too.
>
>At the farmI run 225 ft. to the septic tank but it slopes
>slightly downhill. I've pumped into vault toilets that were 4-5
>ft higher than the pump and it didn't slow down any.
>
>LZ

Well, the way I figure it the ground is pretty will level and the pump
will be about 12 to 14 inches higher than the inlet on the 4 inch
drain and less than 50 feet so the setup will serve me well. The only
place there may be a problem is for the hose comes off the ground and
up about 4 inches into the drain into the septic system. That probably
will flush by hooking up water hose pressure anyway.

As far as the garden tractor battery the Alumascape is WAY short on
storage space because of three slides. I actually had to do some
rearranging to put the macerator kit on the rig.

There's another thing I did was I bought a 45° angle clear plastic
hook up so the pump inlet will be looking up somewhat and be able to
drain ALL of the liquid out of the rig drain besides being able to
check what is or isn't going into the pump.

Albert

[nothermark]

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 15:56:36 -0600, Albert <aml...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Once you get the flow going the bottom of the hose outlet sets one
side of the head height. If you can drop the hose a couple of feet
down the 4 in pipe and stay above the level in the pipe you will
reduce the load on the pump and possibly even set up a siphon action
to help clear it.

[Albert]

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:54:32 -0400, nothermark <nothe...@not.here>
wrote:

Snipped

>>
>>As far as the garden tractor battery the Alumascape is WAY short on
>>storage space because of three slides. I actually had to do some
>>rearranging to put the macerator kit on the rig.
>>
>>There's another thing I did was I bought a 45° angle clear plastic
>>hook up so the pump inlet will be looking up somewhat and be able to
>>drain ALL of the liquid out of the rig drain besides being able to
>>check what is or isn't going into the pump.
>>
>>Albert
>
>Once you get the flow going the bottom of the hose outlet sets one
>side of the head height. If you can drop the hose a couple of feet
>down the 4 in pipe and stay above the level in the pipe you will
>reduce the load on the pump and possibly even set up a siphon action
>to help clear it.

Well, you're probably right if my calculations are correct I would
have about 20 to 24 inches to stick down into the dump drain. (Which
by the way is 3" not 4" drain like I previously said). I put a slinky
sitting on the top of the drain line so when the rig was parked behind
the grudge I could hook up a slinky to it and when not in use I put a
cap on it to keep the varmints out.

Now I plan to put a 90° clear slinky fitting with a that has a hose
fitting on it so I can tie the hose into it and not have to stick the
hose down in and get crap all over it. Also I don't have to worry
about the damn thing coming out and squirt all over the place.

[Janet Wilder]

I know, I know. Real men don't need no steenkin instructions. <vbg>

[Janet Wilder]

On 7/9/2013 4:36 AM, Hank wrote:
> On Monday, July 8, 2013 6:46:03 PM UTC-4, Debbie wrote:
>
>>> Most of the clogs that I have seen have been feminine hygene products, too much toilet paper each use, or large stool. I know you can't do much the feminine products, but you can suggest using less TP. As for the other problem I would like to suggest more fiber. :-)
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Hank
>>
>>>
>>
>> What in the devil are feminine hygiene products doing in the toilet????
>>
>> They don't belong in a travel trailer/motorhome toilet. You need to
>>
>> educate whoever is using the toilet and doing that.
>
> Easier said than done when your teeenage daughter has a bunch of friends over. You can tell them, but that doesn't mean they are going to listen, esp. to a MAN. :-) Most city girls just flush them down the toilet. They have no clue how a septic tank, or RV tank works.

I have a septic at my home. I have teenage granddaughters and daughters
who are not yet into menopause. The first thing I tell them is that
nothing put pee, poop and the toilet paper supplied by the house goes
into the toilet.

If they can understand, your teenage daughter should be able to pass
that along to her friends. Especially if you tell her that one more no
no product in the toilet of the RV will mean no more friends to visit.

You're the man, grow a pair!

[D-R]

On 7/9/2013 8:17 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> I have a septic at my home. I have teenage granddaughters and daughters
> who are not yet into menopause. The first thing I tell them is that
> nothing put pee, poop and the toilet paper supplied by the house goes
> into the toilet.

Used to have a sign in the boat that said "Please do not put anything
in the head unless you have eaten it first."


--

AJ - up in the Arizona mountains

[Hank]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:17:54 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:

> > Easier said than done when your teeenage daughter has a bunch of friends over. You can tell them, but that doesn't mean they are going to listen, esp. to a MAN. :-) Most city girls just flush them down the toilet. They have no clue how a septic tank, or RV tank works.
>
>
>
> I have a septic at my home. I have teenage granddaughters and daughters
>
> who are not yet into menopause. The first thing I tell them is that
>
> nothing put pee, poop and the toilet paper supplied by the house goes
>
> into the toilet.
>
>
>
> If they can understand, your teenage daughter should be able to pass
>
> that along to her friends. Especially if you tell her that one more no
>
> no product in the toilet of the RV will mean no more friends to visit.
>
>
>
> You're the man, grow a pair!

>

> Janet Wilder

This all happened years ago. I thought my wife would've handled the situation. But in typical female fashion, she didn't do her job. I should've grown a pair and made the wife clean all the "material" off the aerator pump shaft. We moved after the kids left the nest.

Hank <~~~~thinks women takes the easy way out

[nothermark]

On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 20:30:58 -0600, Albert <aml...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Roger on the anchor. Just offering a possible since you mentioned the
elevation a while back. Plant some rhubarb around the pipe to take
care of leakage? ;-))

[Ralph E Lindberg]

In article <l64mt85tnek2g0p8s...@4ax.com>,
Albert <aml...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>
> ....
>
> Like I said my rig has a flushing system on the black water tank which
> I use religiously. One other thing that I do if at all possible. I
> don't dump when I leave a campground that way traveling down the road
> the shaking will emulsify all of the solids in the tank and the first
> thing I do when I park it is dump and I don't have to worry about stop
> ups. And by the way all the paper is also emulsified and everything
> just flushes down the slinky at which time I then dump both graywater
> tanks to flush the slinky. I have a 5 inch PVC pipe that's 8 feet long
> (the width of the trailer) that I made as storage for the slinky. I
> can get 35 foot in it (that is like an accordion).
>
Mine has a flushing system (I added one to the two previous trailers).
When I am planning on dry-camping for an extended period (like the 6
days in a field this past week) I add a bag of crushed ice just as we
pull out. The ice bounces around (and melts), so that when I reach the
dump station... no black pyramid

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[philhas...@gmail.com]

We just bought one. First trip and the aluminum black tank drain rod just flexes, drain valve is either clogged or cracked open a hair(We only get a dribble whether or not the flush hose is attached. I really don't want to drop the gas line, undo the shroud, scrape the awesome caulking seal beneath the plastic cardboard to get at whatever mechanism operates the valve. So yeah, a schematic with rough measurements would be super helpful.
Those blade valves only last so long, where do you cut to get at it?

[Bob]

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 10:55:58 AM UTC-7, philhas...@gmail.com wrote:
> We just bought one. First trip and the aluminum black tank drain rod just flexes, drain valve is either clogged or cracked open a hair(We only get a dribble whether or not the flush hose is attached. I really don't want to drop the gas line, undo the shroud, scrape the awesome caulking seal beneath the plastic cardboard to get at whatever mechanism operates the valve. So yeah, a schematic with rough measurements would be super helpful.
> Those blade valves only last so long, where do you cut to get at it?

With your description it is almost impossible to give a coherent answer as you supply no model or year

[Hank]

It is probably clogged with toilet paper.

Hank

[bill horne]

Hank wrote:
> It is probably clogged with toilet paper.

Or the black pyramid fell over.

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Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

[nothermark]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:55:56 -0700 (PDT), philhas...@gmail.com
wrote:

>We just bought one. First trip and the aluminum black tank drain rod just flexes, drain valve is either clogged or cracked open a hair(We only get a dribble whether or not the flush hose is attached. I really don't want to drop the gas line, undo the shroud, scrape the awesome caulking seal beneath the plastic cardboard to get at whatever mechanism operates the valve. So yeah, a schematic with rough measurements would be super helpful.
>Those blade valves only last so long, where do you cut to get at it?

The valves can be opened and repaired or replaced. Go over to IRV2
and post your problem. You will get a lot more help there than here.

[nothermark]

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 01:45:41 -0400, bill horne <red...@rye.net>
wrote:

>Hank wrote:
>> It is probably clogged with toilet paper.
>
>Or the black pyramid fell over.

Or he has a cable operated valve with a stuck cable.

[florence...@gmail.com]

2006 Holiday Rambler Admiral with rear full bath and second half bath. There are 4 holding tanks. The tank that serves the shower and sink in the rear bath will not drain. I bought the unit new and could never get it repaired through the warranty. The water backs up into the shower and It takes a plunger and using the water hose to back wash to get the water to go down. I know that the holding tank is filling to capacity although I am dumping all 4 tanks often. That tank is not emptying although some water is coming out when I dump. I wonder if it was never attached to a scent pipe or if it gets an air bubble or the drain line is too small but how large does a pipe have to be to drain water.

[Hank]

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 11:54:26 AM UTC-5, florence...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2006 Holiday Rambler Admiral with rear full bath and second half bath. There are 4 holding tanks. The tank that serves the shower and sink in the rear bath will not drain. I bought the unit new and could never get it repaired through the warranty. The water backs up into the shower and It takes a plunger and using the water hose to back wash to get the water to go down. I know that the holding tank is filling to capacity although I am dumping all 4 tanks often. That tank is not emptying although some water is coming out when I dump. I wonder if it was never attached to a scent pipe or if it gets an air bubble or the drain line is too small but how large does a pipe have to be to drain water.

I assume you mean a VENT pipe. If the drain line isn't clogged it could be the vent pipe is clogged, not allowing air in therefore possibly creating a vacuum and not letting the shower drain. There may be a VENT valve under a sink that acts as a vent pipe. It usually is screwed on and has a rubber flapper that needs to be cleaned because they sometimes stick closed. Other than that I don't know. Good luck.


Hank

[Albert]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:54:24 -0800 (PST), florence...@gmail.com
wrote:

>2006 Holiday Rambler Admiral with rear full bath and second half bath. There are 4 holding tanks. The tank that serves the shower and sink in the rear bath will not drain. I bought the unit new and could never get it repaired through the warranty. The water backs up into the shower and It takes a plunger and using the water hose to back wash to get the water to go down. I know that the holding tank is filling to capacity although I am dumping all 4 tanks often. That tank is not emptying although some water is coming out when I dump. I wonder if it was never attached to a scent pipe or if it gets an air bubble or the drain line is too small but how large does a pipe have to be to drain water.

Good luck on finding what you want, the whole time we had our holiday
Rambler I could not get any schematics for electrical or plumbing on
the rig :-(.

[Sword of Justice]

On Wednesday, January 23, 2019 at 8:54:26 AM UTC-8, florence...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2006 Holiday Rambler Admiral with rear full bath and second half bath. There are 4 holding tanks. The tank that serves the shower and sink in the rear bath will not drain. I bought the unit new and could never get it repaired through the warranty. The water backs up into the shower and It takes a plunger and using the water hose to back wash to get the water to go down. I know that the holding tank is filling to capacity although I am dumping all 4 tanks often. That tank is not emptying although some water is coming out when I dump. I wonder if it was never attached to a scent pipe or if it gets an air bubble or the drain line is too small but how large does a pipe have to be to drain water.

If that was the case it would just suck the p-trap empty, I would suspect that there is some partial blockage in the tank or some junk left during the construction, however being that old I suspect a fat berg as it is the sink tank,. Unless you can perhaps clear the drain with a plumbing snake you might have to do the untenable drop the tank.

[Jerry Osage]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 08:54:24 -0800 (PST), florence...@gmail.com wrote:

>2006 Holiday Rambler Admiral with rear full bath and second half bath.
>There are 4 holding tanks. The tank that serves the shower and sink in the
>rear bath will not drain. I bought the unit new and could never get it repaired
>through the warranty.
>

Why? What was their response? You never sued them?
If you have been living with it for 12 years - what's changed your mind
about trying to fix the problem after 12 years?

>The water backs up into the shower and It takes a plunger and using the
>water hose to back wash to get the water to go down.
>

OK, if you can get the shower to drain the holding tank is not full to
overflowing, else the shower would not drain until the holding tank was
drained..

Quite possibly there is an anti-backup valve in the shower drain to prevent
the sink from filling the holding tank and backing up into the shower and
flooding the floor. Poorly installed, clogged, or sticking anti-backup
valve?

>I know that the holding tank is filling to capacity although I am dumping all
>4 tanks often.

>That tank is not emptying although some water is coming out when I dump.
>

If that tank doesn't empty - then it is full. That explains why water
doesn't drain from the shower pan. Except, you say you can get the shower to
drain if you use a plunger

>I wonder if it was never attached to a scent pipe or if it gets an air bubble or
>the drain line is too small but how large does a pipe have to be to drain water.
>

I think that if the vent pipe was clogged the weight of the water in the
holding tank - when released - would create enough vacuum to suck air
through the sink and/or the shower trap and the holding tank would still
drain. However back pressure would probably not allow the shower to drain.

You seem to be having trouble in diagnosing the problem. I suggest you have
a good RV shop look at it and do the repairs. Good luck.
--
Jerry O.

[Major Oz]

There is a very fat, dead, waterlogged RAT in the pipe.

Cal Roto-Rooter.

[Sword of Justice]

You ought to know ooze, mind you I must have missed your obituary