Travel and I-5

[Ralph E Lindberg]

If you missed the news, there was travel trailer on the I-5 bridge in
Washington when it collapsed

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021045926_bridgecollapsexml.html

Best news is no one was killed or seriously hurt

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[nothermark]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:11:00 -0700, Ralph E Lindberg
<n7...@callsign.net> wrote:

>If you missed the news, there was travel trailer on the I-5 bridge in
>Washington when it collapsed
>
>http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021045926_bridgecollapsexml.html
>
>Best news is no one was killed or seriously hurt

I thought I saw a vertical mounted spare on what looked like the back
of a foldout. It would be interesting to know.

[Will Sill]

On 5/24/13 9:11 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> If you missed the news, there was travel trailer on the I-5 bridge in
> Washington when it collapsed
>
> http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021045926_bridgecollapsexml.html
>
> Best news is no one was killed or seriously hurt

Fine, but neither your item or others I've seen mention a travel trailer
Do you have another cite?

Will

[David "The Hamster" Malone]

On May 24, 10:49 am, Will Sill <w...@epix.net> wrote:

> Fine, but neither your item or others I've seen mention a travel trailer
>   Do you have another cite?

Put your glasses on, Will. From that very same article...

"That caused a massive piece of the northern side of the bridge to
wobble, and then fall into the water, taking with it a gold pickup,
its travel trailer and an orange SUV."

David "The Hamster" Malone

[Will Sill]

I was wrong.

My apologies to Ralph and RORT's other readers. I missed that item even
though I studied several reports about the incident.

Will

[George Anthony]

"Ralph E Lindberg" <n7...@callsign.net> wrote in message
news:n7bsn-E2E7D2....@news.astraweb.com...

Looks like it had a single point of failure. Not sure why that wasn't
corrected. Maybe the sequester?

[nothermark]

Maybe another case of the state saving money. It was on the WSDOT
list of deficient bridges for a long time. Read the article and links
to it.

[Hunter Hampton]

What are you talking about Will? What does a travel trailer have to do
with anything?

Hunter

[Owen McKenzie]

Read the first line above that Will responded to.

--

Owen McKenzie
Posting from Pigeon Forge, TN

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you,
then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi

[Ralph E Lindberg]

In article <kno1on$cu5$1...@dont-email.me>,

Thank you for continuing to show that you are possibly dumber then
richard... " began when a semitruck with an oversized load struck a
steel beam at around 7 p.m"

[George Anthony]

"Ralph E Lindberg" <n7...@callsign.net> wrote in message

news:n7bsn-6713F3....@news.astraweb.com...

If I were you, I'd be sure I understand what I'm reading before I call
someone dumb. The point is that there was a SINGLE failure point. Do you not
understand what that means? Semis run into bridges more often than you may
think but the bridges don't collapse because they have redundant safe guards
built in. That wasn't the case with this bridge. It was like removing a
certain domino and the entire chain starts falling. You're so interested in
showing how brilliant you are that you start your mouth (in this case
fingers) in motion before you put your brain in gear.

[Hunter Hampton]

On 5/24/2013 10:28 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>
> Read the first line above that Will responded to.

I saw after I posted... I thought he was griping that it was off topic.

My bad, apologies.

Hunter

[Owen McKenzie]

No problem.

[Owen McKenzie]

On 5/24/2013 2:03 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:

No problem. I don't know how many times I wish I'd have read further
before posting.

[nothermark]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:56:39 -0500, "George Anthony"

Perhaps you should consider that the state DOT has a list of similar
bridges. It has nothing to do with the sequester. I'd find it
interesting if it does relate back to saving some pennies on a dollar.

[George Anthony]

"nothermark" <nothe...@not.here> wrote in message
news:bvgvp8pgdgvd2r9au...@4ax.com...

That was tongue-in-cheek and I would think a man of your superior
intelligence would have picked up on that. Of course it has nothing to do
with sequester, at least in any thinking persons mind. Obama, however, wants
to link everything bad to it. What's your excuse for calling me dumber than
Richard, which you seem to have glossed over in your reply? Maybe an apology
is in order? I won't be waiting with bated breath for that, however.

[George Anthony]

"nothermark" <nothe...@not.here> wrote in message
news:bvgvp8pgdgvd2r9au...@4ax.com...

Sorry about the "dumber than Richard" comment. I forgot to whom I was
replying.

[MaxD]

On 5/24/2013 11:40 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> In article <kno1on$cu5$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "George Anthony" <gant...@gmail.net> wrote:
>
>> "Ralph E Lindberg" <n7...@callsign.net> wrote in message
>> news:n7bsn-E2E7D2....@news.astraweb.com...
>>> If you missed the news, there was travel trailer on the I-5 bridge in
>>> Washington when it collapsed
>>>
>>> http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021045926_bridgecollapsexml.html
>>>
>>> Best news is no one was killed or seriously hurt
>>>
>>> --
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org
>>> This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read
>>> RV and Camping FAQ can be found at
>>> http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv
>>
>> Looks like it had a single point of failure. Not sure why that wasn't
>> corrected. Maybe the sequester?
>
> Thank you for continuing to show that you are possibly dumber then
> richard... " began when a semitruck with an oversized load struck a
> steel beam at around 7 p.m"
>

George's life hinges on his right wing philosophy.
He sees a communist behind every food stamp.
And seeing him critique other poster's intelligence is beyond ridiculous.

[Hunter Hampton]

On 5/24/2013 11:16 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>
> No problem. I don't know how many times I wish I'd have read further
> before posting.

(c:

Hunter

[K Miller]

Is this - (c: the same as this - :-) ???

[bill horne]

One is artistically creative. The other is asciially creative.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

[Hunter Hampton]

On 5/24/2013 2:31 PM, K Miller wrote:
> Is this - (c: the same as this -:-) ???

Almost, I'm lying on my side in the first one :D

Hunter

[K Miller]

bill horne wrote:
> K Miller wrote:
>> Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>> On 5/24/2013 11:16 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No problem. I don't know how many times I wish I'd have read
>>>> further before posting.
>>>
>>> (c:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Is this - (c: the same as this - :-) ???
>
> One is artistically creative. The other is asciially creative.

Thank you, oh most exalted southern guru of the emoticons. So (hi oz), which
does one use in polite society? Which one should the creatiassholey, like
me, use?

[K Miller]

Ahhh. Hmmm. That begs the question - would this be you lying on your back?
^^

Just checking... <g>

[film...@gmail.com]

Will thought and I suspect hoped?) he had caught Ralph telling a big windy, would be my guess?

Martin Cain Private Eye

[Frank Howell]

The travel trailer is probably the same one that they(the news) quoted the
driver of the rig had to pop his dislocated shoulder back in place so that
he could help his wife. Bad start to a vacation.

--
Frank Howell

[Hunter Hampton]

On 5/24/2013 2:57 PM, K Miller wrote:
> Ahhh. Hmmm. That begs the question - would this be you lying on your back?
> ^^
>
> Just checking... <g>
>
>

Yes..... <g>

Hunter

[K Miller]

Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> If you missed the news, there was travel trailer on the I-5 bridge in
> Washington when it collapsed
>
> http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021045926_bridgecollapsexml.html
>
> Best news is no one was killed or seriously hurt

It is truly astounding that no one was killed and that more people weren't
involved when it went down. That's a pretty busy bridge - even, usually, at
7 PM as I know from having been over it thousands of times at different
times of the day and night. I'm sorry for the truck driver and it sounds
like he did everything right - after striking the bridge and after the
collapse. It also seems to me that a mistake like that shouldn't be able to
take down a major bridge - damage it, of course but not take it down. Maybe
they'll consider that when they design the new one.

[bill horne]

You have my permission and authorization - here in writing - to use
either or both.

signed,
--
bill, the head smiley nazi in the Directorate of Emoticons

[George Anthony]

"MaxD" <gmd...@att.net> wrote in message
news:519fcbcb$0$28740$c3e8da3$f017...@news.astraweb.com...

Hey, Maxie, did you read what I wrote? Do you also not know what "single
source failure is"? And, what in hell do your comments have to do with a
poorly designed bridge? Was it built by liberals and now your feelings are
hurt? You liberals' problem is that you DON'T SEE an overt socialist behind
every food stamp.

[Technobarbarian]

"George Anthony" <gant...@gmail.net> wrote in message
news:kno9dt$r7h$1...@dont-email.me...

Wrong again George. Keep trying and you might beat Richard to the
bottom yet.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/24/us-usa-bridge-collapse-idUSBRE94N04M20130524

"But Washington state officials said preliminary indications were that the
bridge, which was inspected twice last year, was not structurally deficient
and fell because of the impact from the truck striking its support beams.

"We had a collision between a very heavy vehicle traveling at probably not a
small amount of speed crashing into not just one but probably multiple
girders, and it failed," Washington Governor Jay Inslee told an afternoon
press conference in Mount Vernon.

Officials say the bridge, 55 miles north of Seattle, was not among the spans
listed by the state as "structurally deficient," which in some cases relates
to bridges that cannot carry their intended traffic loads.

But the privately run National Bridge Inventory Database listed the bridge
as "functionally obsolete," widely defined by public officials as not built
to current standards and demands.

"Based on our inspecting, the bridge is not structurally defective," said
Lynn Peterson, state secretary of transportation. "We do take hits on almost
every one of our bridges. This is just bad luck where and how it was hit."

She said there were a number of bridges along Interstate 5 in Washington
state that were rated lower than the bridge that collapsed.

A new bridge that suffered a similar blow would have likely reacted the same
way, Washington State Department of Transportation spokeswoman Jan
Katzenberger said."

TB

[George Anthony]

"Technobarbarian" <Technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:knoveg$hf3$1...@dont-email.me...

If I do, I'll be coming down on top of you. Maybe you should try one more
time to understand what I wrote. According to the article that was linked
in the OP, it was stated, in so many words, that the bridge had a single
point of failure. Those were not my words, they were from the article. My
reply to someone calling me dumber than Richard was that he, obviously,
doesn't know what "single point of failure" means, as, again, obviously, you
don't either. What I wrote wasn't wrong but, as a typical liberal, you
continue to seek ways to try to prove otherwise. Give up, it's a futile
effort on your part.

Cut-'n- Pasted text deleted.

>
> TB

[film...@gmail.com]

Perhaps your fellow conservative admirers here on RORT will come to your aid, and explain what you really meant, George? However, I wouldn't count on it, if I were you? You're just too embarrassing to agree with... Besides, you said later that the bridge failed because it was built by liberals? That settles the matter, once, and forever, doesn't it? HawHawHaw!


H.R. Puffinstuff

[George Anthony]

<film...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5872a5d4-2d78-405c...@googlegroups.com...

One thing you can always count on with liberals is they have no sense of
humor. And, as I've said before, and unlike you liberals on RORT, I need no
one to come to my defense, conservative or otherwise. We conservatives are
always ready, willing and able to do so for ourselves.

[Technobarbarian]

"George Anthony" <gant...@gmail.net> wrote in message

news:knp0md$1jn$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

LOL, I guess you don't read your own posts. Here's what you posted that
we objected to.

> "George Anthony" <gant...@gmail.net> wrote in message

>>>> Looks like it had a single point of failure.

Those ARE your words.

TB

[nothermark]

Much as it pains me to say it that is what is reported:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021046062_bridgesafetyxml.html

It appears the bridge took several hits from the load but the problem
was a bad design as first reported.

[George Anthony]

"Technobarbarian" <Technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:knqhbo$u2k$1...@dont-email.me...

They sure were my words... based on the linked to article. Again, I didn't
identify it as a cause, I just commented on the information in the article.
You people just cannot comprehend the difference.

[George Anthony]

"nothermark" <nothe...@not.here> wrote in message

news:bun1q8d43s83kno8i...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:24:51 -0700, "Technobarbarian"

>>
>>

>> LOL, I guess you don't read your own posts. Here's what you posted
>> that
>>we objected to.
>>
>>> "George Anthony" <gant...@gmail.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> Looks like it had a single point of failure.
>>
>> Those ARE your words.
>>
>>TB
>
>
> Much as it pains me to say it that is what is reported:
>
> http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021046062_bridgesafetyxml.html
>
> It appears the bridge took several hits from the load but the problem
> was a bad design as first reported.

I don't have the OP linked article but here's one that basically says the
same thing:

http://tinyurl.com/q4c5593

And to make TB "feel" good, here's a section cut-'n-pasted from the article:

"Bridge experts said the I-5 bridge shares a design feature with thousands
of other bridges across the country that make them more vulnerable to
failure. The bridge was fracture-critical, which means there is no
redundancy in the structure - if one component fails, the whole bridge can
collapse."

[MaxD]

Nice backstroke. Were you on the swim team in college?

[Bruce S]

I don't see the backstroke at all - that is exactly what he wrote in his
very first post in this thread. If you are unable to look at the top of
this post and find where YOU quoted it, I'll copy it here for you:

"Looks like it had a single point of failure. Not sure why that wasn't
corrected."

There it is, now, can you point out where he changed what he said?
Where is the backstroke? Can you read or do you need help with this one?

It appears to me that all the morons that have jumped on George's case
in this thread did so, not because he was wrong in what he wrote, but
because he appended a political joke to it, and rather than admit that
they were really criticizing the joke, they pretended that they knew
what they were talking about and attacked him for being right about the
cause of the bridge failure.

--
Bruce

"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can
win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can
profit."

[George Anthony]

"MaxD" <gmd...@att.net> wrote in message

news:51a18566$0$33729$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com...

No backstroke necessary. Go back and reread the OP linked article and my
first comments. By the way, you know we don't swim :-)

[George Anthony]

"Bruce S" <bruce...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kns2m7$afc$1...@dont-email.me...

Thanks for sticking up for me, Bruce and I think you're right on about the
liberals' responses and criticisms.

[Bruce S]

I have ignored this thread from the beginning (mostly because I don't
care - it was a fairly trivial incident and no one was hurt - not worth
my effort) but when Max QUOTES what you wrote (twice) then accuses you
of changing, I must respond. Max has demonstrated many times in the
past that he has problems with reading comprehension, so his post does
not surprise me much, but his error should be pointed out.

[Lone Haranguer]

A well-indoctrinated liberal will blame "SEQUESTER" for his
erectile dysfunction.

LZ

[Jan Orme]

On May 26, 8:56 am, Bruce S <bruce.sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/26/2013 3:03 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > "Bruce S" <bruce.sn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:kns2m7$afc$1...@dont-email.me...
> >> On 5/25/2013 8:45 PM, MaxD wrote:
> >>> On 5/25/2013 6:05 PM, George Anthony wrote:
>

> >>>> "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:knqhbo$u2k$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> >>>>> "George Anthony" <ganth...@gmail.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:knp0md$1jn$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> >>>>>> "Technobarbarian" <Technobarbarian-ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> messagenews:knoveg$hf3$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> >>>>>>> "George Anthony" <ganth...@gmail.net> wrote in message

> >>>>>>>news:kno9dt$r7h$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> >>>>>>>> "Ralph E Lindberg" <n7...@callsign.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:n7bsn-6713F3....@news.astraweb.com...

> >>>>>>>>> In article <kno1on$cu...@dont-email.me>,

> >>>>>> "George Anthony" <ganth...@gmail.net> wrote in message

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And now we have another Bridge Go Down:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130526/DA6GU3T00.html

Jan

[George Anthony]

"Jan Orme" <JanO...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:5b16b2a8-a681-4363...@vy4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

I saw that but I refuse to comment :-)

[Jan Orme]

On May 26, 1:32 pm, "George Anthony" <ganth...@gmail.net> wrote:
> "Jan Orme" <JanOrm...@aol.com> wrote in message

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yeah....you would just get more comments from the armchair structural
engineer experts! ::::sigh::::

Jan

[film...@gmail.com]

I wonder if that bridge was built by liberals too? 8>)


Joe Pyne

[Jan Orme]

On May 26, 3:56 pm, filmby...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 26, 2013 1:46:49 PM UTC-7, Jan Orme wrote:
> > On May 26, 1:32 pm, "George Anthony" <ganth...@gmail.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Jan Orme" <JanOrm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:5b16b2a8-a681-4363...@vy4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>
>

> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > > > And now we have another Bridge Go Down:
>
> > > >http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130526/DA6GU3T00.html
>
> > > > Jan
>
> > > I saw that but I refuse to comment :-)
>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > Yeah....you would just get more comments from the armchair structural
>
> > engineer experts! ::::sigh::::
>
> > Jan
>
> I wonder if that bridge was built by liberals too?  8>)
>
> Joe Pyne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The article doesn't say who or when that RR Bridge was built, Joe. But
perhaps the fault was with a Feather Bedding Railroad Union Crew?
Having watched them in action, they seem to spend more time standing
around scatching their ass and chewing the fat than paying attentions
to actual Railroad Safety.

It does say that, "The collapse occurred after a Union Pacific train
struck the side of a Burlington Northern Santa Fe train at a rail
intersection, Walter said. Derailed rail cars then struck columns
supporting the Highway M overpass, causing it to buckle and partially
collapse."

"This was not because of any lack of integrity of the bridge in
southeast Missouri, but because of a train that derailed and had a
bunch of rail cars slamming around." and that, "The NTSB investigation
to determine a likely cause will include routine testing of railroad
employees for drugs and alcohol, testing of the track and rail signals
and examination of the video footage from the front of the train."

Casey Jones