OT ~ And Then The Room Was Silent
JanO...@aol.com
anyway.
The message is clear. If you don't hear it, I am sorry for you.
Jan Eric Orme
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked
by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an
example of empire building by George Bush. He answered by saying,
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young
men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our
borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
is
enough to bury those that did not return.'
It became very quiet in the room.
Then there was a conference in France where a number of international
engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a
break one of the French engineers came back into the room saying
'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an
aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does
he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have
three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they
are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to
shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to
feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several
thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they
carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and
injured to and from their flight deck.. We have eleven such ships;
how many does France have?'
Once again, dead silence.
A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French
Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a
large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those
countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped
their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas
Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English.' He
then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these
conferences rather than speaking French?' Without hesitating, the
American Admiral replied 'Maybe it s because the Brits, Canadians,
Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak
German.'
You could have heard a pin drop!
Jim Ferguson
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote in message
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The story would be more fitting if we would substitute 'liberals' for
'French.'
JF
>
JanO...@aol.com
> <JanOrm...@aol.com> wrote in message
All you have to do is look closely at the deranged
view of the San Fransicko Board of Supervisors.
They hate the military and make no bones about it.
Jan Eric Orme
Technobarbarian
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I have only verified part of this so far. But I like what it says
> anyway.
> The message is clear. If you don't hear it, I am sorry for you.
> Jan Eric Orme
I don't know what part of this Jan thinks he "verified". The first
part is more fantasy than fact.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050223091222/http://www.weforum.org/site/homepublic.nsf/Content/Remarks+from+Colin+Powell,+US+Secretary+of+State
The Archbishop did not say anything about empire building and the room does
not appear to have gone silent on Colin Powell's remarks, which did not end
at this point. While Colin Powell said it, it isn't an accurate statement of
our history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War
The aircraft carrier story isn't verifiable. There's also a version
where it happened in Sweden floating around. We have 10 nuclear powered
aircraft carriers, not eleven.
>
> Once again, dead silence.
>
>
> A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
> Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French
> Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a
> large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those
> countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped
> their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, 'whereas
> Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English.' He
> then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these
> conferences rather than speaking French?' Without hesitating, the
> American Admiral replied 'Maybe it s because the Brits, Canadians,
> Aussies and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak
> German.'
This last part can also be found floating around the internet on
various blogs and chat sites, but is also not verifiable. Yeah there's a
clear message here. The message is that Jan loves this sort of sappy
Bullshit and doesn't care if it's true or not.
TB
JanO...@aol.com
ztopz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <JanOrm...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193632523.4...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I have only verified part of this so far. But I like what it says
> > anyway.
> > The message is clear. If you don't hear it, I am sorry for you.
> > Jan Eric Orme
>
> I don't know what part of this Jan thinks he "verified". The first
OK, TB. Now we know you did not like the stories
and their message.
Not technically barbaric enough?
Jan
dm_callier
<snip>
> OK, TB. Now we know you did not like the stories
> and their message.
>
> Not technically barbaric enough?
>
No, technically not true enough...why spread bullshit when the truth
would be an accepatable substitute? Has something to do with
credibility, I'd imagine...
Jim Ferguson
> This last part can also be found floating around the internet on
> various blogs and chat sites, but is also not verifiable. Yeah there's a
> clear message here. The message is that Jan loves this sort of sappy
> Bullshit and doesn't care if it's true or not.
>
> TB
Perhaps the truth is TB hates the fact that it might be true. Libkooks
traditionally can't stand any story that makes this country look good.
JF
>
>
dm_callier
<snip>
> Perhaps the truth is TB hates the fact that it might be true. Libkooks
> traditionally can't stand any story that makes this country look good.
> JF
>
Do you even read what you type before you post? A fact that might be
true isn't a fact, it's a wish, opinion, or a fantasy in the world of
sane people. Your world seems to have different criteria for truth.
Jim Ferguson
"dm_callier" <dcal...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Nah. I meant it for the IQ level of the average libkook.
JF
>
dm_callier
> "dm_callier" <dcall...@msn.com> wrote in message
So you lie to make your case...or you just can't recognize the truth?
Sad.
GBinNC
>Yeah, there's a
>clear message here. The message is that Jan loves this sort of sappy
>Bullshit and doesn't care if it's true or not.
ROFL. Well summed.
Some of the gullible rightists here will believe --and spread -- any
tale (or carefully edited and selected portions of one) that they think
makes a point in their favor.
Truth and accuracy are less important to them than perceived effect.
GB in NC
Jim Ferguson
"GBinNC" <GBi...@xgmailx.com> wrote in message
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That's rich coming from the group that continually regurgitates dnc and M
Moore propaganda on this site. Everyday some anon remailer posts libkook
garbage here with no basis of fact, and these 'effete snobs' never bother to
protest or check the authenticity. They save all their haughty indignation
for any post that doesn't support their lib views. It smacks of blatant
hypocrisy to me, but then; that is what one expects of the left-wing loons.
JF
GBinNC
>> Some of the gullible rightists here will believe --and spread -- any
>> tale (or carefully edited and selected portions of one) that they think
>> makes a point in their favor.
>>
>> Truth and accuracy are less important to them than perceived effect.
>>
>> GB in NC
>That's rich coming from the group that continually regurgitates dnc and M
>Moore propaganda on this site.
Just for the record, I have never read anything that the DNC puts out
(never even seen their web site, if they have one) -- nor have I ever
seen a Michael Moore movie or even heard him speak.
>Everyday some anon remailer posts libkook
>garbage here with no basis of fact, and these 'effete snobs' never bother to
>protest or check the authenticity. They save all their haughty indignation
>for any post that doesn't support their lib views. It smacks of blatant
>hypocrisy to me, but then; that is what one expects of the left-wing loons.
And also just for the record, I immediately delete ALL of that kind of
stuff -- regardless of source -- without reading it. So there's no way I
can be influenced by it even if I wanted to be, which I don't.
GB in NC
Technobarbarian
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> OK, TB. Now we know you did not like the stories
> and their message.
>
> Not technically barbaric enough?
LOL, not technically true enough. You know the saddest thing about this
tripe? If you have to resort to fairytales the "message" is that there's a
shortage of good true stories. I don't believe that.
TB
dm_callier
> I see where dm_callier <dcall...@msn.com> whined:
>
> > . . . why spread bullshit when the truth
> >would be an accepatable substitute? Has something to do with
> >credibility, I'd imagine...
>
> studied hard to acheive your status?
>
> Both Jan and I published the same material with a similar disclaimer:
> that we dunno who authored it and can't prove the quotes are
> absolutely correct.
>
> But does it make any difference to anyone but you nattering nabobs of
> negativism? The TRUTH is that the USA is NOT engaged in empire
> building, and that the only foreign land we've asked for was that
> needed to bury those that fought for the victims of tirants.
>
> It is also true that we often send major aid to distressed peoples,
> whether there is anything to gain or not.
>
> And Frenchman really OUGHT to be glad they're not obliged to speak
> German.
>
> WHO CARES if the anecdotes recited to make those points were not
> absolutely correct and supported by video evidence? The underlying
> ideas are ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
Then present the ideas you so cherish as just that, ideas that YOU
cherish. Don't try to pass off fables as accounts of actual events.
dm_callier
> "GBinNC" <GBi...@xgmailx.com> wrote in message
>
> news:o7fei39fp6aevjhiq...@4ax.com...
>
>
> >>Yeah, there's a
> >>clear message here. The message is that Jan loves this sort of sappy
> >>Bullshit and doesn't care if it's true or not.
>
> > ROFL. Well summed.
>
> > Some of the gullible rightists here will believe --and spread -- any
> > tale (or carefully edited and selected portions of one) that they think
> > makes a point in their favor.
>
> > Truth and accuracy are less important to them than perceived effect.
>
> > GB in NC
>
> That's rich coming from the group that continually regurgitates dnc and M
> Moore propaganda on this site. Everyday some anon remailer posts libkook
> garbage here with no basis of fact, and these 'effete snobs' never bother to
> protest or check the authenticity. They save all their haughty indignation
> for any post that doesn't support their lib views. It smacks of blatant
> hypocrisy to me, but then; that is what one expects of the left-wing loons.
> JF
Oh, I see, in your view it's okay to regurgitate rnc and Limbaugh
propaganda that has no basis in fact...pot, kettle. You may not be a
hypocrite; sadly, you might actually believe the swill you spew.
Jerry Osage
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>OK, TB. Now we know you did not like the stories
>and their message.
>
>Not technically barbaric enough?
>
>Jan
And just because it didn't happen as stated doesn't mean that the
underlying sentiment isn't true...
Jerry O
dm_callier
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:52:44 -0700, "JanOrm...@aol.com"
>
> <JanOrm...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >OK, TB. Now we know you did not like the stories
> >and their message.
>
> >Not technically barbaric enough?
>
> >Jan
>
> And just because it didn't happen as stated doesn't mean that the
> underlying sentiment isn't true...
>
> Jerry O
Arrggh...then voice the sentiment...voice it as your opinion, not as a
fairy tale. Don't you think the stories made up about the capture and
rescue of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman cheapen the
sacrifices of brave men and women in uniform? If you ask me to believe
a lie, then how can I see you as anything but a liar?
Jerry Osage
wrote:
You can't and I wouldn't expect otherwise. Even though your
comparison is like comparing Apples and Oranges.
I have no problem with you seeing me as a liar since I see you as a
narrow minded nit picking idiot who totally misses the point Jan was
making.
Jerry O
Don Lampson
these "warm & fuzzy" fables, they don't name anyone as the dispenser of
wisdom, and virtue, like the "patriotic restaurant owner, who kicks
out the liberal professor for badmouthing the country".....
There's no lies told, just a wish for things to be like a Norman
Rockwell painting, instead of the way things really are!.
However, when real persons are named as the source for such fables,
then it becomes a lie, to promote an "agenda"!
What is disturbing, is when the hogwash is revealed to be nothing
more than a "big windy", those same "conservative / wishful thinking /
patriots" refuse to admit they've been "duped", and say, "Well,
liberals do the same thing all the time!"
The belief in such fantasies is just what got us to where we are now,
with the believers in "Santa Claus" accusing those who don't believe in
"Santa Claus", of being disloyal, "nattering nabobs", or worse!
HawHawHaw!
Those who cling to fantasy would be better served by getting a "check
up, from the neck up", rather than trying to convince others, that it
"coulda' been that way?"
Don
dm_callier
<snip -- context alert>
> I have no problem with you seeing me as a liar since I see you as a
> narrow minded nit picking idiot who totally misses the point Jan was
> making.
>
I'll certainly embrace being called narrow minded if it means I insist
upon the truth.
BTW, I get the point about Jan's opinion that it's not about empire
building, etc...the point could have been easily made without
resorting to fictitious examples. If that's nit picking, I'm guilty.
I'm not sure if being called an idiot by a moron is something I'll
embrace as readily.
dm_callier
Just plain "Dusty"
...
> Don't you think the stories made up about the capture and
> rescue of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman cheapen the
> sacrifices of brave men and women in uniform? If you ask me to believe
are correct to point that out.
> a lie, then how can I see you as anything but a liar?
That having been said; do you apply that standard to all the lies you hear?
Or only those that don't come from "honest" sources like MediaMatters or the
DNC?
L8r all,
Dusty
dm_callier
<RV_phi...@innerREMOVETHISlodge.com> wrote:
> "dm_callier" <dcall...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193763226.1...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> ...> Don't you think the stories made up about the capture and
> > rescue of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman cheapen the
> > sacrifices of brave men and women in uniform? If you ask me to believe
>
> They do/did, and they shouldn't have happened nor been countenanced. You
> are correct to point that out.
>
> > a lie, then how can I see you as anything but a liar?
>
> That having been said; do you apply that standard to all the lies you hear?
When I can identify them as lies ...
> Or only those that don't come from "honest" sources like MediaMatters or the
> DNC?
Hmm...I am a registered Democrat, but must admit I've never used the
DNC for a source of factual information...it's not easy separating the
wheat from the chaff these days as very few so-called journalists
bother to do the real legwork and instead parrot the work of someone
else ... once something hits the 'net in a blog it takes on a life of
its own, regardless of its veracity...it's sometimes easier to see the
truth by what isn't being said, what's being avoided, or what's being
denied...
Lone Haranguer
> Those who cling to fantasy would be better served by getting a "check
> up, from the neck up", rather than trying to convince others, that it
> "coulda' been that way?"
>
of the government LEOs involved in Ruby Ridge and that the very same
thugs ran the Waco operation.
Yet in your fantasy world, those same lying thugs all did the right
thing at Waco because your heroes said they did.
Talk about fantasy believers. You and the rest still holding onto those
Waco fables take the cake.
LZ
Lone Haranguer
> "The first casualty of war is the truth..."
>
LZ
dm_callier
> That having been said; do you apply that standard to all the lies you hear?
> Or only those that don't come from "honest" sources like MediaMatters or the
> DNC?
>
Just to amplify my previous remarks...I don't know of one "honest"
source, as most journalism is highly slanted, always has been prolly
always will be. I have to admit I get my jumping off point from the
Drudge Report most days...while I seldom believe the articles posted
Drudge seems to have the ability to at least point a finger at what's
shaking...
GBinNC
>Arrggh...then voice the sentiment...voice it as your opinion, not as a
>fairy tale. Don't you think the stories made up about the capture and
>rescue of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman cheapen the
>sacrifices of brave men and women in uniform?
LOL. They probably consider Ms. Lynch a liar, since what she's telling
now about the event disagrees with their perception of it.
(Which, BTW, came from the government by way of the media -- including
the part of it that they derisively refer to as left-leaning.)
GB in NC
Frank Tabor
wrote:
>Hmm...I am a registered Democrat
Is that like being a registered French Poodle, or a registered
Pomeranian?
--
Frank Tabor
dm_callier
<snip>
> EIther you're a moron or you just HATE to see facts that contradict
> your emotional hatred of US foreign policies. EVERY anecdote (edited
> or not) reflects a FACT - not an opinion - that seems to stick in your
> craw! Tough! I get the impression that if we produced video footage
> proving every detail of the conversations,
I'd love to see an exposition of the opinions and facts voiced... I'd
love to see interviews of folks who were at the events mentioned to
see if their recollections jibed with what has been presented...
> you'd whine that it was
> faked, or else claim the spokespersons were actors reading lines!
I'd certainly reserve the right to do so, if that's how it appeared to
me...
>
> You're a sick bastard, Callier.
Distinct possibility, but neither adds nor subtracts from the veracity
of the opinions presented as facts...
>
> Will
> Whiners whine. It's what they do.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just plain "Dusty"
...
>> They do/did, and they shouldn't have happened nor been countenanced. You
>> are correct to point that out.
>>
>> > a lie, then how can I see you as anything but a liar?
>>
>> That having been said; do you apply that standard to all the lies you
>> hear?
>
> When I can identify them as lies ...
>> Or only those that don't come from "honest" sources like MediaMatters or
>> the
>> DNC?
>
> Hmm...I am a registered Democrat, but must admit I've never used the
> DNC for a source of factual information...it's not easy separating the
> wheat from the chaff these days as very few so-called journalists
> bother to do the real legwork and instead parrot the work of someone
True enough.
> else ... once something hits the 'net in a blog it takes on a life of
> its own, regardless of its veracity...it's sometimes easier to see the
> truth by what isn't being said, what's being avoided, or what's being
> denied...
Ain't *that* the truth!
I don't mind if someone wants to pillory another for not being truthful,
it's just that I see so many on the left use lies as if they were facts; and
that just ticks me off. And the really sad part is that when confronted
with the truth, they continue to insist as if it weren't.
If someone's lying--in fact, and/or by omission as you'd pointed out, they
need to be taken to task. But that doesn't seem to be happening. And I
find that simply scurrilous.
Dusty
>
>
dm_callier
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:38:01 -0700, dm_callier <dcall...@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hmm...I am a registered Democrat
>
> Is that like being a registered French Poodle, or a registered
> Pomeranian?
> --
> Frank Tabor
Scottish Terrier
Lone Haranguer
Democrats don't give a shit about how pure your bloodline is.
LZ
Carl A.
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> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:08:50 GMT, Will Sill <wi...@epix.cnet> wrote:
>
>>WHO CARES if the anecdotes recited to make those points were not
>>absolutely correct and supported by video evidence?
>
>
> Tom
No, more like Dan Rather who stated that the authenticity of certain
slanderous documents was irrelevant since GWB was guilty as accused.
Can anyone blame us for learning the ways of the Liberals?
But what makes this whole discussion so totally ridiculous is that Colin
Powell *did* say what is attributed to him. He said to the ex-Archbishop of
Canterbury at an economic development conference, according to Snopes.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/powell.asp
--
Carl A. in FL
Photojournals of my travels are at
http://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
Jim Ferguson
> "The first casualty of war is the truth..."
Geez. It's really hard to believe that one of the flock of looney libs is
getting so uptight about the truth. These cretins are faster than a
speeding bullet when it comes to spreading lies and filth about President
Bush, knowing that most of it is pure trash. No lie is too big or rumour
too vague for them to embrace and repeat, but they whine and moan when their
soul-mates of the left are exposed and want affidavits and videos as proof.
The left ahs learned well from the clintons.
JF
>
JanO...@aol.com
> "dm_callier" <dcall...@msn.com> wrote in message
Jim,
Here's what's a real head scratcher for me and perhaps some
observers here. In my OP, I said right off the bat that the stories
were un-verified. And I said that I liked the message of the stories.
So what kind of a message is it? Well, two of the stories are
complimentary about the United States of America. And the
third one talks about the English speaking Allies in WW2
and how they kinda like Saved The World from the likes
of Hitler. I call it Historical Facts.
Here are the three comments pulled from those three stories.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young
men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our
borders. ?The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
is enough to bury those that did not return.'
'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several
hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency
electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with
the
capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce
several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day,
and they carry half a ?dozen helicopters for use in transporting
victims
and injured to and from their ?flight deck.. ?We have eleven such
ships;
how many does France have?'
(Re: Speaking English rather than French:)
'Maybe it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans
arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know how valid the actual circumstance of those stories
is. I said that, but said I liked the message. That was my point.
Those messages about the USA are just as right as rain. Is it
really so terrible to have good things said about the USA?
Have some of us gotten that low about our own country?
The head scratch part is why do some go off the wall crazy
when this type message is put forth? I didn't take any party
line. Liberal or Conservative stance. All I did was repeat some
nice things about the USA, with the understanding that all
of us are Americans regardless of our political beliefs.
And the actual people that those three stories talk about
come from all walks of life and political parties.
1) We have Democrats, Republicans and others buried overseas.
2) Democrats, Republicans and others run our Aircraft Carriers.
3) Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Conservatives and others
won WW2, saved the world and did the other stuff also.
Is that a bad point? I sure hope not. When we have to
take sides over feeling proud of our country then something
is sadly wrong in my humble opinion.
I sure would like to know what's wrong with that proud Heritage.
Jan
Jim Ferguson
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I agree, Jan. You said right up front that the stories were unverified, but
the left-wing loons have been fed on a steady diet of anti-American
propaganda by Rosie O'Donnell and other vacuous loons of the left, and they
feel it is their duty to immediately squash anything that might sound
complimentary to this country. Try telling them that American troops
tortured and raped and they will nominate you for president. Try telling
them that the President and only he lied about WMD's and they will make you
a congressional committee chairman. They are like gullible baby birds with
their mouths wide open long grasping for that tidbit that would comfirm
their suspicion that this is an imperialistic country and that President
Bush is the devil.
JF
Bruce S
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote
>
> And the actual people that those three stories talk about
> come from all walks of life and political parties.
> 1) We have Democrats, Republicans and others buried overseas.
> 2) Democrats, Republicans and others run our Aircraft Carriers.
> 3) Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Conservatives and others
> won WW2, saved the world and did the other stuff also.
>
> Is that a bad point? I sure hope not. When we have to
> take sides over feeling proud of our country then something
> is sadly wrong in my humble opinion.
>
> I sure would like to know what's wrong with that proud Heritage.
>
> Jan
As a person who has made no comment on this thread so far, let me tell you
what I find wrong with the stories.
Although you were careful to say that you had not verified them, and you
did not officially present them as factual, the internal presentation,
within the stories themselves, is that they are true. They use real people,
real places, and real events.
When it turns out that they are not, in fact, factually accurate
representations of events, it makes the whole thing look like a lie,
therefore, taking the focus off the moral of the story, and placing the
focus on the inaccurate presentation.
The moral of the stories could have stood on its own, without the
embellishment.
If exactly the same stories had been presented as fables, or parables, with
no real people, places or events involved, I would stand behind them 100%,
as it is, it feels slightly dishonest.
Bruce
GBinNC
><snipped for brevity only>
>If exactly the same stories had been presented as fables, or parables, with
>no real people, places or events involved, I would stand behind them 100%,
>as it is, it feels slightly dishonest.
I'm with you, Bruce. Well said (your entire post, that is).
GB in NC
Don Lampson
story he posted turns out to be bogus!
Do you think posters are "dishonest" when they post things that aren't
true?
People believe things for all sorts of reasons, and "wishful
thinking" is the most powerful force of them all!
If posters want to think we saved France during WWII out of the
goodness of our hearts, it's just wishful thinking. We had no choice!
We were fighting Nazis, who weren't going to be satisfied , until
they'd conquered the world! That's why we were allies with Russia. We
had to win!
It's foolish for expecting France to be grateful.
France is like the Muslims in some ways. They're terrified of "our
culture"
They make it against the law, to use English words on the radio,
and TV!
At least the French don't lop peoples heads off any more for that sort
of thing - Like they used to! HawHawHaw!
Don
LK
wrote:
>I have only verified part of this so far. But I like what it says
>anyway.
>The message is clear. If you don't hear it, I am sorry for you.
>Jan Eric Orme
OK, I finally had time to read this through.
I really liked the message sent, even though some of it wasn't verified
when posted.
I've always enjoyed heart-felt messages delivering patriotism.
If someone else doesn't like them....sue me. <g>
Thanks Jan.
LK
JanO...@aol.com
> <JanOrm...@aol.com> wrote
I agree with that, Bruce. And suspected they might
not be 100%. Thus the why of my opening sentence.
Why we have to point out the message in there is
beyond me. I come from a time when national
pride came as easy as always putting your hand
over your heart when some music is played. I have
not lost that ane will not as long as I draw breath.
And I don't insist that all people have to agree with
that. I just want to be able to express my own POV
without a bunch of nonsense harshness.
To me we are all adults here that should be able to
get past the Bullshit factor of all the normal bashing.
Bashing for naught from my POV.
Color me any way you like. I still have my own Freedom
to color things my way for myself and express it to others.
Jan
JanO...@aol.com
IMO,the French were much more appreciative
at the time than people today want to recognize.
They just happen to be in a position to be where
the final invasion for the European front was.
Jan
altar nospam
wrote:
> It's foolish for expecting France to be grateful.
Why?
We were taught in our history classes to appreciate the help of
Lafayette, and by extension, France, during our own revolutionary war.
AFAIAC, the French are ungrateful asshole's, and have been for many
years. The ONLY reason I would go there is to visit Normandy.
They are such cowards that they even refused us over fly rights when
we kicked Quaddaffi's teeth in, forcing our pilots to go all the way
around the Iberian peninsula during Reagans term.
Fuck the French.
Strong reply to follow.
Tom
JanO...@aol.com
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:33:16 -0700, DonLamp...@webtv.net (Don Lampson)
> wrote:
>
> > It's foolish for expecting France to be grateful.
>
> Why?
>
> We were taught in our history classes to appreciate the help of
> Lafayette, and by extension, France, during our own revolutionary war.
>
> AFAIAC, the French are ungrateful asshole's, and have been for many
> years. The ONLY reason I would go there is to visit Normandy.
>
> They are such cowards that they even refused us over fly rights when
> we kicked Quaddaffi's teeth in, forcing our pilots to go all the way
> around the Iberian peninsula during Reagans term.
>
> Fuck the French.
Uh...our 93 year old "Pop" was there all across France
during the invasion and then back when it was over.
He was also there for some months afterwards.
Tom, I have it on very reliable information that many
of us did "Fuck the French" at that time.
8^)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Strong reply to follow.
>
> Tom
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ROTFLMAO
Tom, I can't wait for that reply!
8^)
Jan
Lone Haranguer
> It's foolish for expecting France to be grateful.
They were pretty nasty when they made us pull all our bases out in 1966,
after we had paid the bill for their war in Indo-China and saved their
ass in two wars.
I took a leave from Germany to Spain in June of '66. In those days I
could travel anywhere in western Europe on nothing but my AF ID card.
Dependents had passports. When we exited France at the Spanish border,
the French customs dork made a big point out of making throwing motions
with my ID card and telling me it would be no good after Jul 1st and
that they were kicking Americans out of France. I asked him if the
cemeteries would be removed too and all he did was make a sour face.
When we returned from Spain after Jul 1st we entered France on the
Atlantic side and I had no problem with just an ID card.
The Germans were more than happy to make room for the people who were
kicked out of France and I got my hands on a good share of the helium
tanks that were the entire supply in Europe.
LZ
Technobarbarian
>> "dm_callier" <dcall...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193765970.6...@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > "The first casualty of war is the truth..."
>>
>> Geez. It's really hard to believe that one of the flock of looney libs
>> is
>> getting so uptight about the truth. These cretins are faster than a
>> speeding bullet when it comes to spreading lies and filth about President
>> Bush, knowing that most of it is pure trash. No lie is too big or rumour
>> too vague for them to embrace and repeat, but they whine and moan when
>> their
>> soul-mates of the left are exposed and want affidavits and videos as
>> proof.
>> The left ahs learned well from the clintons.
>> JF
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim,
> Here's what's a real head scratcher for me and perhaps some
> observers here. In my OP, I said right off the bat that the stories
> were un-verified. And I said that I liked the message of the stories.
No, what you said right off the bat was that you had only verified part
of it.
<JanO...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1193632523.4...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I have only verified part of this so far. But I like what it says
> anyway.
>
> So what kind of a message is it? Well, two of the stories are
> complimentary about the United States of America. And the
> third one talks about the English speaking Allies in WW2
> and how they kinda like Saved The World from the likes
> of Hitler. I call it Historical Facts.
>
> Here are the three comments pulled from those three stories.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young
> men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our
> borders. ?The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
> is enough to bury those that did not return.'
Colin Powell said it. It isn't true.
>
> 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several
> hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency
> electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with
> the
> capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce
> several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day,
> and they carry half a ?dozen helicopters for use in transporting
> victims
> and injured to and from their ?flight deck.. ?We have eleven such
> ships;
> how many does France have?'
Which reads like bragging about our wealth.
>
> (Re: Speaking English rather than French:)
> 'Maybe it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans
> arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I don't know how valid the actual circumstance of those stories
> is. I said that, but said I liked the message. That was my point.
> Those messages about the USA are just as right as rain. Is it
> really so terrible to have good things said about the USA?
> Have some of us gotten that low about our own country?
"Right as rain"? Well I guess two out of three isn't too bad. The
melodrama and schmaltz slathered on those stories is what's gives this urban
legend legs. Unfortunately that part is pure Bullshit. Sadly the bullshit
hides a couple of good stories. Take the aircraft carrier story without the
BS for example. The USS Abraham Lincoln was on station in or near Indonesia
for 33 days. Depending on whose numbers you believe during that time they
flew around 2,000 relief missions, delivered 5.7 million pounds of relief
supplies and treated over 2,000 patients. The USS Abraham Lincoln was
relieved by a hospital ship with about 1,000 beds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Abraham_Lincoln_(CVN-72)
It's not too bad a story and doesn't require the silly embellishment of
people falling silent at the mention of 11 aircraft carriers. Overall the
story of our aid to tsunami victims isn't too terrible either:
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/aidtracker/ For anyone having problems
with the math that $857 million from our government is roughly 3 days in
Iraq. Before anyone gets too smug they should click the government aid per
capita tab. I didn't do the math, but by the time you add up public and
private giving it works out to somewhere around $9 per American.
TB
Don Lampson
I guess you told that Frenchman with a sour face, what was what,
didn't you?
What a shame you didn't have your liberal sniffing dog with you then,
he'd "sneer" at the French too! HawHawHaw!
Don
Lone Haranguer
> Linus
> I guess you told that Frenchman with a sour face, what was what,
> didn't you?
> What a shame you didn't have your liberal sniffing dog with you then,
> he'd "sneer" at the French too! HawHawHaw!
I suspect he would have pissed on his boots.
My younger brother missed an easy shot at a grouse that the dog had
pointed and the dog sauntered over and peed all over his boots.
Just giving his opinion. There are several witnesses.
This was not your run-of-the-pound dog even though I got him for $10.
LZ
Jim
> It's foolish for expecting France to be grateful.
The French tend to be arrogant. When they kicked all the GIs out of
France and then charged a tax on each one that left in the 60s it pretty
well established their character as greedy too.
--
Jim
dm_callier
> <al...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4nqei35gn30nouppn...@4ax.com...
>
>
> >>WHO CARES if the anecdotes recited to make those points were not
> >>absolutely correct and supported by video evidence?
>
> > You are beginning to sound like G W.
>
> > Tom
>
> No, more like Dan Rather who stated that the authenticity of certain
> slanderous documents was irrelevant since GWB was guilty as accused.
>
> Can anyone blame us for learning the ways of the Liberals?
>
> But what makes this whole discussion so totally ridiculous is that Colin
> Powell *did* say what is attributed to him. He said to the ex-Archbishop of
> Canterbury at an economic development conference, according to Snopes.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/powell.asp
> --
> Carl A. in FL
> Photojournals of my travels are athttp://sky.prohosting.com/chainfl/
And the material quoted at the Snopes site is far more eloquent than
what Jan posted...again, why spread manure when you already have the
blooming roses?
Joe
> I see where dm_callier <dcall...@msn.com> whined:
>
<snipped stupidity>
>
> And Frenchman really OUGHT to be glad they're not obliged to speak
> German.
>
Uh, you do realized the French helped us long before we helped them.
Without them, we would be speaking English now. <G>
<snipped more>
Lone Haranguer
LZ
>
> <snipped more>
>
Joe
I don't know. How many?
Joe
Lone Haranguer
did the French fleet.
OTOH, the total number of American dead buried in France is 30,750.
LZ