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Jenny6833A
May 24, 2013, 6:04:21 PM5/24/13
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On Friday, May 24, 2013 6:41:13 AM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:
> Can you explain how you think not admitting homosexuals has "compromised"
>
> the organization? Scouting membership has been declining for several years
>
> for several reasons. Not admitting "openly homosexuals" is the least of the
>
> problems. There have been sexual abuse scandals (parents don't want to
>
> subject their boys to that potential) ...
Boy Scouts has been, still is, and will likely continue to be an organization dedicated to defining Christianity, heterosexuality, and unthinking knee-jerk jingoistic so-called patriotism as normal and eminently desirable while covering up child molestation and implicitly teaching that anyone who doesn't fit the preferred mold is NOT OK.
Knots and such are just the cover story.
> ... decline of the nuclear family leaving single parents who
>
> have no desire to participate in their boys activities ...
Why am I so certain that you can't document that ludicrous accusation?
<snip irrelevant silliness>
> My guess is that if you asked scouting age boys (or girls) who are not in
>
> scouting if they chose to opt out because the BSA in not "progressive" most
>
> wouldn't even know what progressive means -- in that or any other context.
All you've said is that young victims of brainwashing are seldom aware that they're being brainwashed. And with that I concur.
Moreover, it's seldom the kid who is the decision maker on specific organized activities. It's the parent(s) who apply parental judgment. My daughter was a Girl Scout, mainly because I liked and trusted the leader and the parents of the other kids of similar age. My son was NOT a Boy Scout for pretty much the same reasons that he wasn't inculcated by the KKK.
> The biggest problem I have with (some) homosexuals is that they want to
>
> force the fact that they are on you.
Oh, I see. When a male and a female walk down the street holding hands, or when they publicly show affection in some other (legal) way, they are NOT advertising their sexual orientation, but when two guys or two gals do exactly the same, they're forcing their homo (or bi) sexuality on others.
Georgie, you're a classic bigot employing the classic illogic of your kind.
> The marriage issue not withstanding,
>
> what rights do heterosexuals have that are not afforded to homosexuals?
Until rather recently, a whole lot of rights. Yet, rights are not really the point. It's of no use to have a right that isn't respected -- and many human rights are not -- in practice -- afforded to anyone who isn't a Kinsey Zero. (Georgie has no idea what "Kinsey Zero" means, which is what I'd expect. Georgie doesn't know diddly about the topic he spouts off about.)
For example, male/female couples can show affection in public but if m/m or f/f couples do the same, Georgie gets all bent out of his bigoted shape. Many laws prohibiting discrimination (race, creed, color, national origin, etc) still don't prohibit discrimination against anyone who isn't or doesn't pretend to be a Kinsey Zero. And even when the law does prohibit discrimination, it's of no use if it isn't vigorously enforced --which it usually isn't. Think jobs, home purchases, apartment rentals, membership in fraternal, professional, and trade organizations, and so on.
[Why is it that the sexuality bigots divide the world into heterosexual versus homosexual as if those were the only categories or the only two significant categories? In fact, most of us are bisexual to some degree and many of us have both same-sex and opposite-sex relationships during our lifetimes. That's been known anecdotally forever and scientifically for 70 years or so, and has been confirmed by researcher after researcher since.]
> I don't go around demanding that I should have certain rights because I'm heterosexual ...
You don't need to because you already have them in law, in culture, and in practice throughout everyday life.
Well, you DO go around demanding the right as a heterosexual jerk to denigrate homosexuals.
> ... or telling everyone I see that I am.
You exude your (alleged) heterosexuality. You just consider doing so to be normal.
> Liberals want a colorblind, non-bigoted society ...
Good people of all political leanings do. It's even in the Babble. You know, "Do unto udders ..." or something like that.
> ... yet they promote what are exactly counter to those things.
ROTFLM 6833 AO. I note that you don't provide any examples.
What a MAROON!
:-(
Jenny
> Can you explain how you think not admitting homosexuals has "compromised"
>
> the organization? Scouting membership has been declining for several years
>
> for several reasons. Not admitting "openly homosexuals" is the least of the
>
> problems. There have been sexual abuse scandals (parents don't want to
>
> subject their boys to that potential) ...
Boy Scouts has been, still is, and will likely continue to be an organization dedicated to defining Christianity, heterosexuality, and unthinking knee-jerk jingoistic so-called patriotism as normal and eminently desirable while covering up child molestation and implicitly teaching that anyone who doesn't fit the preferred mold is NOT OK.
Knots and such are just the cover story.
> ... decline of the nuclear family leaving single parents who
>
> have no desire to participate in their boys activities ...
Why am I so certain that you can't document that ludicrous accusation?
<snip irrelevant silliness>
> My guess is that if you asked scouting age boys (or girls) who are not in
>
> scouting if they chose to opt out because the BSA in not "progressive" most
>
> wouldn't even know what progressive means -- in that or any other context.
All you've said is that young victims of brainwashing are seldom aware that they're being brainwashed. And with that I concur.
Moreover, it's seldom the kid who is the decision maker on specific organized activities. It's the parent(s) who apply parental judgment. My daughter was a Girl Scout, mainly because I liked and trusted the leader and the parents of the other kids of similar age. My son was NOT a Boy Scout for pretty much the same reasons that he wasn't inculcated by the KKK.
> The biggest problem I have with (some) homosexuals is that they want to
>
> force the fact that they are on you.
Oh, I see. When a male and a female walk down the street holding hands, or when they publicly show affection in some other (legal) way, they are NOT advertising their sexual orientation, but when two guys or two gals do exactly the same, they're forcing their homo (or bi) sexuality on others.
Georgie, you're a classic bigot employing the classic illogic of your kind.
> The marriage issue not withstanding,
>
> what rights do heterosexuals have that are not afforded to homosexuals?
Until rather recently, a whole lot of rights. Yet, rights are not really the point. It's of no use to have a right that isn't respected -- and many human rights are not -- in practice -- afforded to anyone who isn't a Kinsey Zero. (Georgie has no idea what "Kinsey Zero" means, which is what I'd expect. Georgie doesn't know diddly about the topic he spouts off about.)
For example, male/female couples can show affection in public but if m/m or f/f couples do the same, Georgie gets all bent out of his bigoted shape. Many laws prohibiting discrimination (race, creed, color, national origin, etc) still don't prohibit discrimination against anyone who isn't or doesn't pretend to be a Kinsey Zero. And even when the law does prohibit discrimination, it's of no use if it isn't vigorously enforced --which it usually isn't. Think jobs, home purchases, apartment rentals, membership in fraternal, professional, and trade organizations, and so on.
[Why is it that the sexuality bigots divide the world into heterosexual versus homosexual as if those were the only categories or the only two significant categories? In fact, most of us are bisexual to some degree and many of us have both same-sex and opposite-sex relationships during our lifetimes. That's been known anecdotally forever and scientifically for 70 years or so, and has been confirmed by researcher after researcher since.]
> I don't go around demanding that I should have certain rights because I'm heterosexual ...
You don't need to because you already have them in law, in culture, and in practice throughout everyday life.
Well, you DO go around demanding the right as a heterosexual jerk to denigrate homosexuals.
> ... or telling everyone I see that I am.
You exude your (alleged) heterosexuality. You just consider doing so to be normal.
> Liberals want a colorblind, non-bigoted society ...
Good people of all political leanings do. It's even in the Babble. You know, "Do unto udders ..." or something like that.
> ... yet they promote what are exactly counter to those things.
ROTFLM 6833 AO. I note that you don't provide any examples.
What a MAROON!
:-(
Jenny
nothermark
May 24, 2013, 7:33:49 PM5/24/13
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OK because of the leader but Boy Scout leaders are perverts...
George Anthony
May 24, 2013, 8:20:10 PM5/24/13
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"Jenny6833A" <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote in message
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parents' basement? The childish tone of your inane post would indicate so.
Jenny6833A
May 25, 2013, 1:35:05 AM5/25/13
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Yes, I tenatively decided that that Girl Scout group was OK because of the leader and the other parents involved. It turned out that I'd guessed right. Girl Scouts, as you may know, doesn't discriminate and doesn't have an agenda.
> ... but Boy Scout leaders are perverts...
Nope. I didn't say that. (Although, since we were in Portland at the time, it turned out that I would have been correct had I made the assumption that far too many _were_ molesters and that the Boy Scout bigwigs supported them. However, I didn't make that assumption because AT THAT TIME there was no incriminating evidence that I was aware of.)
We passed on Boy Scouts because they _did_ discriminate on multiple fronts and because they _did_ have an agenda that turned our stomachs. And, as far as we can tell from what's been in the press, nothing much has changed.
:-)
Jenny
Jenny6833A
May 25, 2013, 1:39:52 AM5/25/13
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All you can do is issue an insult and complain about 'tone.'
You're guilty as charged.
:-|
Jenny
George Anthony
May 25, 2013, 9:13:52 AM5/25/13
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You sure know a lot about me for not knowing a thing about me. By the way, I
AM bigoted against liberal naked people :-)
AM bigoted against liberal naked people :-)
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