Q: North America in Jul-Aug
Jarmo Hurri
Greetings!
Next year is a special occasion for me and some of my Finnish friends:
once again, our capacity to function decreases slightly and probability
of death increases, but this time there is some nice numerology
involved.
To celebrate this, we have planned a longer fishing trip. There are
several possible locations, including Sweden / Norway and
Greenland. However, for some weird reason some of us would be
particularly interested in fishing either in the US or in Canada. If we
would come to North America, the timing would be end of July / beginning
of August. The whole trip would take 2-3 weeks.
We have already explored many of the possibilities. We have surfed the
net extensively. We have read books about Alaska, Vancouver Island, and
I have admired Behnke's Trout and Salmon of North America. My friends
have made a two-week trip to Alaska once (in October, IIRC). I have
wetted line in Vancouver twice, but not very successfully.
If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
regions over there.
We do have some money to spend on this, but we're not filthy rich. My
favorite type of fishing is small-stream fishing, but my friends like to
target bigger fish, and I have nothing against that. Unfortunately
neither stillwater fishing nor combat fishing are our favorites.
Please help us speed up economic recovery and global warming, or at
least help us survive this long Nordic winter.
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Jarmo Hurri
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Mike
mid august lots of rain keep water tables up and temps cool who knows
what next year will bring proberly no water and high temps but there
are always the mountain streams.......Mane one of the carolina gents
will check in mountain streams there also....Maine waters never really
warm up......
David LaCourse
>
> Greetings!
>
> Next year is a special occasion for me and some of my Finnish friends:
> once again, our capacity to function decreases slightly and probability
> of death increases, but this time there is some nice numerology
> involved.
>
> To celebrate this, we have planned a longer fishing trip. There are
> several possible locations, including Sweden / Norway and
> Greenland. However, for some weird reason some of us would be
> particularly interested in fishing either in the US or in Canada. If we
> would come to North America, the timing would be end of July / beginning
> of August. The whole trip would take 2-3 weeks.
Certain spots in Maine fish well in July, not so much in August. The
Rapid, Malagalawy, and the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake fish well.
Big brookies and landlocked salmon are the prey.
It's tough to fish Labrador without a guide. I've fished 3 lodges in
Labrador and I highly recommend Riverkeep Lodge -- very big water and
very big brookies, landlocks, lake trout, northern pike, and lots of
whitefish. Three Rivers Lodge is a bit more pricey, but again, the
fishing is outstanding.
If you came in June, you could spend two or three weeks fishing the
many streams of Maine - camping available at all of them.
Don't give up on fishing out West. Airfaire would add to your
expenses, but you wouldn't need a guide on any of the rivers, and I
believe they all fish well in July. Lots of camping spots too.
Dave
David LaCourse
Frank Reid © 2008
hoot. The first two are tail waters with some of the biggest trout in
the US. The Buffalo is arguably the best small mouth river in the
world and is great for a multi-day float.
Just a warning, it is a TOTALLY different America that what you are
used to.
Frank Reid
DaveS
I think the wide expanse of the American and Canadian West during July
and August, with some Roffians as guides could make for a once in a
lifetime experience. Perhaps flying into Salt Lake or Colorado, then
working your way North into Wyoming, Montana, Oregon, Washington, and
maybe even Eastern BC on up past 150 Mile house into the Horsefly
country etc.
Think "road trip," no big cities, big sky, your very own cowboy hats,
Jo Joes, much less than world class motels, real North Americans
etc.., and lots of challenging technical fishing, on as many beautiful
small streams and rivers as you would have probably seen in your
lives. For example you would certainly be welcome to camp and fish on
my little river farm in SE Washington for a few days.
Big fish targeting? You probably need guides, back country, planes,
Alaska, far northern Canada, money, a tolerance for present and former
corporate assholes, etc.. But I think there are a few guys here on
Roff who could get you there without some of the just mentioned
negatives.
Dave
Fred
On 31-Oct-2009, Jarmo Hurri <jarmo.hur...@edu.hel.fi> wrote:
> Greetings!...
> If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
> August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
> probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
> concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
> Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and
I can reallly only speak for MT Wyoming and parts of Idaho - all Northern
parts
Over the last 2 seasons we have had a heavy. late and full run off
So fishing in MT (w plenty of small streams- and bigger ones , rivers)
has been good this time of year. In other yrs July begins the start of a hot
dry 2 mo fire season where you are fishing for already stressed fish
If you can delay your decison till say Apr or May of next yr
We shoulkd have some idea of the runoff by then
Fred
John B
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That's a damned fine post, Jarmo...
John
jeff
is every kind of fishing a person could want... i think yellowstone park
is a must see for every person on the planet...though i'm sure your
geography has its own appeal, i doubt it has anything like yellowstone.
i think your group would enjoy the area around the park... and there are
many folks that will be happy to show you around.
jeff
georgecleveland
<jarmo.hur...@edu.hel.fi> wrote:
>If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
>August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
>probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
>concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
>Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
>should probably avoid those areas.
Most of the flatlanders from Wisconsin make their western hegiras
(mostly to Montana) in July and August. They all seem to catch fish. I
wouldn't scratch the northern Rockies from your list.
Geo. C.
Tim Lysyk
>> August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
>> probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
>> concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
>> Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
>> should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
>> promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
>> Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
>> and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
>> suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
>> regions over there.
Actually, a lot of the best fishing in southern Alberta is during
mid-late july and August. Especially small creeks, and these tned to be
less crowded. The fish are not huge, but repsectable, and fun.
Tim Lysyk
rw
July and August are prime months for the northern Rockies, but it all
depends on the weather, which is highly variable. In a decent snowpack
year June is typically a runoff month. This year, with our cold, wet
Spring, runoff went into July here in Idaho, but that was unusual.
September is my favorite month for fishing the northern Rockies. After
Labor Day (a peculiar American holiday that always falls on the first
Monday on September, and which marks the unofficial end of summer) the
crowds go way down. The low flows are good for fly fishing.
Some famous trout rivers, like the Big Hole in Montana, can't support
fishing during a warm, low-water summer, but I think those are exceptions.
If the weather is hot fish early and late, and fish the higher elevations.
There are plenty of tailwaters that are relatively insensitive to
short-term weather conditions and that are managed for sport fishing.
Regarding Alaska, not going there because you've "already been to Alaska
once" is silly. Alaska is HUGE. The main problem with Alaska is that
road access is extremely limited, which inevitably leads to combat
fishing. Getting away from the crowds involves either an expensive lodge
or outfitter or a carefully planned do-it-yourself float trip.
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rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
>
Just to toss it out, but IMO, if you have three weeks in the US, why not see a
little more of it? Maybe a week in each of three regions. I'd suggest the
Northwest, the central/north-central Atlantic, and the Gulf Coast. You'd
experience a range of fishing and people you'll not find anywhere else in the
world, and with a little planning, it would not need to be terribly expensive,
either. I grant that my personal preferences do play into this - I'd not really
want to spend 3 weeks at one time fishing _anywhere_, for _anything_, if it were
pretty much the same the entire time. A week to 10 days, including travel time,
in <wherever> fishing for <whatever>, yes, but more than that, not so much.
Does such an idea appeal to you and your group at all? If so, I think the range
of suggestions will be much more expansive.
TC,
R
dan
Colorado. I lived there for 15 years, unfortunately I only get to
visit every couple of years now. Think about staying at least a week
(or more), and I would highly recommend staying in the Glenwood
Springs, Colorado area, because it is so centrally located, you are
less than 1 hour drive from all these rivers: Colorado (flows thru
Glenwood), Eagle, Roaring Fork, Crystal, Frying Pan, plus Many, many,
smaller creeks, and if you are into hiking, there are very small
creeks hiking accessible that have lots of smaller brookies and
cutthroats. Also the White River basin is only a few hours drive.
If you decide to go, let me know, as I have a few "secret" creeks I
would share privately.
Good Luck!!
Dan
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On Oct 31, 10:31 am, Jarmo Hurri <jarmo.hurrigarb...@edu.hel.fi>
wrote:
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Larry L
>Montana / Wyoming / Idaho,
> ....we have concluded that we should probably avoid those areas.
FWIW,
It IS possible to find a fish, or two, willing to eat flies, in
Montahoming ....even in July/August
rw
Understatement of the month.
angler
> Greetings!
>
> Next year is a special occasion
> Jarmo Hurri
>
It feels a loooong time since I last posted on ROFF, but now I find it
hard to resist.
I can't spend as much time travelling around north America as Jarmo
and his friends, and I already have some fishing trips for 2010
planned (Jarmo mentioned one in Sweden), but I think it is about time
I did try out the fishing in the western part of the US. I've already
mentioned this to a couple of friends on another forum (Vaughan Hurry
among them), and it met with some interest.
What I would like is the opportunity to meet some of the guys present
when I visited the Penns clave and/or some of the people on this
forum, so here's a question from me: Wasn't there a western clave at
some point? What happened to it, or does it still occur?
Anyway, even if there isn't a western clave any longer, I would still
hope to do some fishing with people I've talked to/discussed with
rather than me and my friends trying the area out on our own. So what
are the chances of meeting up with some of you guys to do some
fishing?
/Roger Ohlund
DaveS
I think your chances are near certainty. Come on over.
BTW looked at your profile quote from Hill the railroad baron. I think
the "swedes" he was talking about is the archaic US word for a type of
root vegetable, usually a type of turnip, but sometimes meaning a
sweet potato variety and sometimes a kind of livestock food. It wasn't
meant offensively. A mash of potato and "swede" was a common working
class staple for the pioneering Irish track laying crews that pushed
J'P' Hill's Northern Pacific RR across the plains to the ocean.
I think Hill was saying that given tobacco, booze and turnips, he
could build a railroad to hell. I would have added soy sauce for the
Chinese dynamite crews, but having walked Hill's roadbed thru some of
the Cascade mountains, I don't think he was making an empty boast.
Dave
angler
Maybe I was fooled by the "Swedes" with a capital S, or it could have
something to do with the following:
"President Lincoln's Homestead Act of 1862, the political
stabilization after 1865, and the enormously expanding industries of
the North represented three important drawing factors on Swedish
emigration to the U.S. The generous offer of the Homestead Act became
a powerful magnet on land-hungry farm people. This also destined them
to the so-called Homestead Triangle, especially to Minnesota, which
became the Swede State of America. This was in accordance with the
politics of Minnesota, where in 1867 a state immigration office was
established. The Swedish Civil War colonel Hans Mattson became its
first director. The result of the Swedish land-hunger was that the
area of Swedish-owned farmland in America of 1920 corresponded to 2/3
of all arable land in Sweden. In some counties, such as Chicago,
Isanti and Kanabec in Minnesota, the land became almost totally owned
by Swedes. A string of Swedish settlements also grew up around the new
railroads. The possibility of combining farmwork with jobs for the
railroad or a lumber company was important for the penniless Swedes.
Most of the unmarried men worked as lumberjacks or on the railroads.
The railroad king James Hill is quoted: "Give me snuff, whiskey and
Swedes, and I will build a railroad to hell." "
/Roger
David LaCourse
Hey, Roger. Good to see you posting. Come on over. I am sure the
western boys and a few of the eastern ones would welcome you. I *can
not*, however, pick you up in Boston and drive you to Montana. d;o)
Can't say for sure that I would make it, but I'd love to fish with Dave
S. and you.
Hope to see you.
Dave
angler
Dave,
I'm really grateful for you picking me up and driving me to Penns in
2004, damn how time flies, and no, I suppose the drive would be too
long for an Audi ;-) A Volvo on the other hand........
Yes, it would be fun to meet and fish.
/Roger
DaveS
SNIP
but I'd love to fish with Dave
> S. and you.
>
> Hope to see you.
>
>
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Me too pirate.
Dave S.
David LaCourse
Well, what the hell are you waiting for? Fortenberry to offer his
help? Our fly tying movie star to tie all the flies? R Dean to offer
new rubber waders for everyone? wayno to attend and bring a gui-tar?
I'll attend as long as wayno doesn't bring a gui-tar.
Dave
MajorOz
Gobs of places in the Rockies in the fall: N. Platte in the Snowies,
The Green above Pinedale, ponds around Independence pass in Colorado.
The problem isn't finding places, it's finding places away from the
catalogue yuppies. Stay completely away from Middle Park CO, the
Madison, the Henry's, etc. for that reason.
My best suggestion is to fly into Denver, rent a camper, buy some topo
maps, and wander (ROFFians here and there will probably convoy
portions with you). Turn it in in Portland and take home fantastic
memories.
cheers
oz, been there, done that
Giles
Hm.....seems clear enough to me.
g.
who, though perhaps not the best of readers, has never experienced
much trouble in distinguishing between a turnip and a teuton. :)
Jarmo Hurri
I will try to answer all of the replies in this single post.
First, on the topic of Montana / Idaho / Wyoming, you have to understand
that we are looking at this from distance and based on what we read from
the news. From here it has seemed that in many summers, the temperatures
and water levels in that region have been dramatic. Something similar to
what Fred and rw wrote:
Fred> So fishing in MT (w plenty of small streams- and bigger ones ,
Fred> rivers) has been good this time of year. In other yrs July begins
Fred> the start of a hot dry 2 mo fire season where you are fishing for
Fred> already stressed fish
rw> July and August are prime months for the northern Rockies, but it
rw> all depends on the weather, which is highly variable.
If the risks would be tolerable, for me the Montana / Wyoming / Idaho
(and now Colorado) region would definitely be the #1 choice. The
following responses only strengthened this idea:
Dave> I think the wide expanse of the American and Canadian West during
Dave> July and August, with some Roffians as guides could make for a
Dave> once in a lifetime experience. Perhaps flying into Salt Lake or
Dave> Colorado, then working your way North into Wyoming, Montana,
Dave> Oregon, Washington, and maybe even Eastern BC on up past 150 Mile
Dave> house into the Horsefly country etc. Think "road trip," no big
Dave> cities, big sky, your very own cowboy hats, Jo Joes, much less
Dave> than world class motels, real North Americans etc.., and lots of
Dave> challenging technical fishing, on as many beautiful small streams
Dave> and rivers as you would have probably seen in your lives.
rw> If the weather is hot fish early and late, and fish the higher
rw> elevations. There are plenty of tailwaters that are relatively
rw> insensitive to short-term weather conditions and that are managed
rw> for sport fishing.
jeff> I like July in Montana...runoff is usually over in most places and
jeff> there is every kind of fishing a person could want... i think
jeff> yellowstone park is a must see for every person on the planet...
Tim> Actually, a lot of the best fishing in southern Alberta is during
Tim> mid-late july and August. Especially small creeks, and these tned
Tim> to be less crowded. The fish are not huge, but repsectable, and
Tim> fun.
Dan> Once place that I think is about perfect that time of year, is
Dan> western Colorado. ... Colorado (flows thru Glenwood), Eagle,
Dan> Roaring Fork, Crystal, Frying Pan, plus Many, many, smaller creeks,
Dan> and if you are into hiking, there are very small creeks hiking
Dan> accessible that have lots of smaller brookies and cutthroats.
To summarize, I think I will proceed to try to convince my friends that
Western US / Canada would be our target.
On the idea of seeing a lot of different areas:
RDean> Just to toss it out, but IMO, if you have three weeks in the US,
RDean> why not see a little more of it? Maybe a week in each of three
RDean> regions. I'd suggest the Northwest, the central/north-central
RDean> Atlantic, and the Gulf Coast. You'd experience a range of
RDean> fishing and people you'll not find anywhere else in the world...
Unfortunately I like fishing so much that every day spent packing and
traveling hurts. So I think that two geographical regions is the
maximum; preferably just one region and the possibility to move by car
(and keep all the gear "ready to be fished at any moment").
Frank> A week in Arkansas on the White, North Fork and the Buffalo would
Frank> be a hoot. The first two are tail waters with some of the biggest
Frank> trout in the US.
I have heard / read of these places. IIRC, these have _amazing_ fish
densities. My friends might enjoy these rivers because of the larger
fish.
Dave> Certain spots in Maine fish well in July, not so much in August.
Dave> The Rapid, Malagalawy, and the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake fish
Dave> well. Big brookies and landlocked salmon are the prey.
Unfortunately, if we are traveling as a group, end of July / beginning
of August is the only possible time. (Otherwise during the summer I am
more flexible than the rest of the group, and during the rest of the
season I am less flexible.)
Dave> It's tough to fish Labrador without a guide.
From what I have understood, it is not only tough but very limited,
because they have the rule that you need to have 1 guide per two
fishermen if you are farther than 800 meters (or something similar) from
a highway. For three guys that would mean two guides.
--
Jarmo Hurri
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Well, either way, it is an interesting quote. I think it was mostly
Chinese building East, and Irish building West, but hell, JJ Hill was
the RR Baron and maybe he tended more to Swedes than I thought.
However this idea for a US trip works out, I can help make it happen
if it tends toward the US West. For example I can get you from Seattle
or Portland out to the Bitterroot Mt's (Montana) in my van, with some
fishing along the way, put up folks at my place overnight in Western
Washington, or out at the place in SE Washington etc..
As per the andronomous offerings on the NW coast rivers in mid
summer . . . I am not the guy who knows much about that. Maybe someone
else here on Roff has something the add in that regard.
Dave S.
DaveS
We should get together. I could host a mini-clave in SE Washington
next fall fishing the Touchet and Tucannon, which I am getting to know
fairly well, or for the more cold hardy a bit of Winter steel-heading
on the same waters this Winter. Ive got a camper out there and several
tent sites along the river. There is also a great little 1890s hotel
in Dayton, 2 great restaurants, one good bar, an a bargain of a little
ski area nearby in the Blue Mtns. It does get pretty cold in Winter
but there are steelhead in the river. 3 flites daily out of SeaTac to
Walla Walla and back. And something like 200 wineries down there.
Otherwise, during spring thru summer I am out there about half time
(unless im traveling myself) so we could get together for some
gentlemanly paced, uncrowded, small river fly fishing under sunny
skies.
Other Roffians out there should also read this as a general invite
such that if you are interested in fishing the SE corner of Wa, let me
know and maybe we can get together or at least we can share info.
Dave
angler
Good summary Jarmo, I agree with what you wrote with the slightly
different perspective of only having about one week to spend on such
an adventure.
How different wouldn't it be to meet up in the west of the US, rather
than the remote (read unpopulated) destinations we usually meet, I'll
see if I can't get Vaughan to join.
For our American friends reading this, I would be really keen on
meeting up with like minded (not to say single minded ;-) ) fly-
fishermen. To fish together with guys with local knowledge of an
area......., - beats most scenarios.
/Roger
David LaCourse
> On Nov 2, 3:11�pm, David LaCourse <dplacou...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-02 17:54:45 -0500, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> said:
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 2:47�pm, David LaCourse <dplacou...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> SNIP
>>> �but I'd love to fish with Dave
>>>> S. and you.
>>
>>>> Hope to see you.
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>>> Me too pirate.
>>> Dave S.
>>
>> Well, what the hell are you waiting for? �Fortenberry to offer his
>> help? �Our fly tying movie star to tie all the flies? �R Dean to offe
> r
>> new rubber waders for everyone? � wayno to attend and bring a gui-tar?
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>> I'll attend as long as wayno doesn't bring a gui-tar.
>>
>> Dave
>
> We should get together. I could host a mini-clave in SE Washington
Been to Washingon but never the SE area. Your idea sounds great, and
I will keep it in mind.
I've turned into a bit of a candy-ass, Dave. No more winter fishing
for me, except in Georgia/North Carlina. Can't take the cold.
Dave
Larry L
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>
> If the risks would be tolerable, for me the Montana / Wyoming / Idaho
> (and now Colorado) region would definitely be the #1 choice.
>
For the last 8 years I've done the retired troutbum thing in
Montahoming each summer. Last season I left home on May 16th got
back home around Oct 10 and fished nearly every day in between
rw, told it like it is ... i.e. the weather is "highly variable" ...
in those 8 ( maybe it's 9 now ) years I've seen August be a hot, hot,
time with poor fishing because of that heat. I've also seen August
be the best fishing month of the year. Last year, I had truly
fabulous fishing in late July and early August then a very weird COLD
spell hit, mid-August, and things got very slow for some time. Then
late in September, when it 'should' have been getting cold and
spurring the baetis and Mahoganies into hatching it proved to be a
very warm Indian Summer and, for me, the slowest period of the
season. Plan on the unplanned.
IF I had to plan a two week Montahoming trip and my life depended on
it providing great fishing ... I'd make sure my will was written and
affairs in order, since it's largely up to the very fickle weather.
MY suggestion is to pick places you want "to see" and then hope for
good conditions, since 'luck' in the weather is part of the fishing
game. That way you get to do the "seeing" regardless and if you
have two weeks you will also find some very good angling at least part
of the time, unless you are very unlucky. A second suggestion,
have backup plans ... a few hours drive, especially with altitude
changes, can make a large difference
One last note, ... much of the fishing you are likely to hear about
might qualify, to you, as 'combat' fishing. Face it, if the fish
are big and easy ... Joe, Martha, and Herman Vacationer are likely to
be there flapping their rods. Only you can define too crowded, for
yourself. I know guys that get upset if they even see another angler
and guys that intentionally travel in "Fishing Gangs" ( aka Claves?),
only you know you. Just be aware that the more likely it is that
fishing will be good, the more likely that you'll share that water
with many others. The Internet has all but eliminated unknown
waters and the periods of plenty, spent alone, before "the news gets
out" about a good hatch, on the known. And, be aware,
Yellowstone is always crowded ( record numbers visited last year ) ...
some of the worst traffic in the world crawls through some of the
greatest natural wonder.
Fred
Its a 6-7 hr drive to Yellowstone
I can and will offer lodging for 2-3 people , fish here for a day or so and
then head south to meet everyone in Yellowstone
or by the entrance - w my vehicle
Ken's suggestion seemed great - If we agree on this p[lace I think I would
prefer to ride in by horse
If this happens we need to firm up a date more sooner than later as I have
some other trips planned esp one w my granddaughter & need to put down some
deposits
If there is some interest I will give further detail
Perhaps next fall opr spring for Steelhead fishing in WA
I have not done that in a while and miss it
We have spent some ugly cold even snowy days fishing for them
Senor Wences
jeff
if your decision ultimately settles on the area around yellowstone, i'll
be interested in joining the group for 7-10 days. i know my way around
yellowstone, the madison and its tribs, and a few other spots nearby
within 30-40 miles of west yellowstone, fairly well based on my past
visits. but the western guys - warren, john h., steve/rw, willi, chas,
larry, or yellowstone kenny - will certainly be better resources.
montana is a big state. i think the yellowstone area offers the most
variety within a day's travel for a fishing and sightseeing trip. in any
event, there are more than enough different types of waters and fish
(small, big), including lakes, in the area to keep a normal human happy.
willi and steve know the nearby wyoming and idaho areas too, and ken
spent enough time in yellowstone to make it worth your while. you are
more likely to find a number of folks available to help with your visit
in that area, imo. while water temps and flows in late july and august
can affect the hours of fishing (and i've been there once when the
waters were low)...if i was on a flyer out west, i'd choose the montana
area around yellowstone as a focus. it's a facinating place...and
offers a variety of landscape, remote country, non-remote night-life,
good food and drink, humor, true sportsmen, art, culture, eccentric
personalities, etc... it's one of my favorite places on this earth and i
think you guys will enjoy it.
jeff
Fred
On 3-Nov-2009, jeff <jmill...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
> if your decision ultimately settles on the area around yellowstone, i'll
> be interested in joining the group for 7-10 days. i know my way around
> yellowstone, the madison and its tribs, and a few other spots nearby
> within 30-40 miles of west yellowstone, fairly well based on my past
> visits. but the western guys - warren, john h., steve/rw, willi, chas,
> larry, or yellowstone kenny - will certainly be better resources.
> montana is a big state. i think the yellowstone area offers the most
> variety within a day's travel for a fishing and sightseeing trip. in any
> event, there are more than enough different types of waters and fish
> (small, big), including lakes, in the area to keep a normal human happy.
> willi and steve know the nearby wyoming and idaho areas too, and ken
> spent enough time in yellowstone to make it worth your while. you are
> more likely to find a number of folks available to help with your visit
> in that area, imo. while water temps and flows in late july and august
> can affect the hours of fishing (and i've been there once when the
> waters were low)...if i was on a flyer out west, i'd choose the montana
> area around yellowstone as a focus. it's a facinating place...and
> offers a variety of landscape, remote country, non-remote night-life,
> good food and drink, humor, true sportsmen, art, culture, eccentric
> personalities, etc... it's one of my favorite places on this earth and i
> think you guys will enjoy it.
>
> jeff
I agree w the Yellowstone area
There are numerous rivers in and out of the park.
If this happens I can take 3 guys down if they fly into Kalispell Glacier
Park Int'l AP
This may or may not be cheaper than Bozeman or West Yellowstone???
Fred
jeff
exactly right larry... but, the fact you continue to return to the area
each year says something about it's uniqueness and allure. i don't like
crowds...but, i've never been disappointed during any of my trips to
that area. i've fished the madison amongst lots of others, but always
found stretches and spots to myself, and plenty of willing fish...also,
i have always found other streams that allowed solitary fishing for the
day. one of them held and yielded cutthroats of 16-20 inches that danl
and i caught all day long.
i've no doubt it will be vastly different than the arctic circle trips
roger and jarmo enjoy...but that's probably a good thing. seeing
yellowstone...like the great museums of the world...is well worth the
crowds on the roads. a hike of a few miles leaves the vehicular-bound
way behind and affords a glimpse of an entirely different world. if they
could hit a salmonfly hatch...well...you know.
still, for me, fishing is about chasing the great mystery...and, i
reckon montana/wyoming offers as many clues as a fisherman could hope
for... i know roger would like it, and i know you guys will like roger.
i suspect the same is true about jarmo and his friends.
jeff
Larry L
> i don't like
> crowds...but, i've never been disappointed during any of my trips to
> that area. i've fished the madison amongst lots of others, but always
> found stretches and spots to myself, and plenty of willing fish
I wasn't trying to discourage ... just make aware
As a 'friend' I'd say "Go to the Yellowstone area, it may not prove to
be what you expect, but it almost certainly will be a rewarding trip."
I won't suggest specific spots because MY outlook on fly fishing seems
to be rather different than 'the average' and the places I spend the
most time usually disappoint the majority of visiting anglers.
BUT, it's relatively easy to find water to suit nearly any taste
within day trip distance of West Jellystone
Larry L
. a hike of a few miles leaves the vehicular-bound
> way behind and affords a glimpse of an entirely different world.
I think the difference between the hike to and non-hike to is greater
in Yellowstone than elsewhere. Probably the fear of the big bad
bear and the fact that millions think seeing Yellowstone is driving
all the roads in as little time as possible, makes the zone beyond the
roads more exciting than in, say, the Sierra
Last time I fished Slough ( down at the first easy access meadow ) I
ran into fresh bear tracks and when I returned to my truck brand new
"Grizzly Bear Activity" signs not there a few hours earlier ( seems
two anglers had stumbled on a Elk kill and been bluff charged, very
near where I had fished). Add the howling of the Slough Creek pack
of wolves and my mini-hike was an adventure far beyond the Cutts
caught ... fact is I don't remember what I caught ( probably 16 to 20
inch Cutthroats, .... all day ;-) ...
angler
A little note from the Swede: We don't have Grizzlys, they look scary!
Last time I checked we had some 3.500-4.000 brown bears in Sweden,
about 10% of which can be found in the county where I live (I hunt for
them). And although they are bigger than your black bears they are
still so much smaller than a Grizzly. Which gives me reason to think
about carefully listening to the locals if visiting Yellowstone. Don't
want to end my days as bear food.
But, when it comes to hiking and camping in the wilderness I will go
out on a limb and say that very few of you probably spend more time
than me doing such activities, why I would be pleased to see some of
what Yellowstone can offer outside of the normal tourist paths. That
said, I will likely not be able to bring gear to do any overnight
camping but will need a place to stay. The sheer cost (and nuisance)
of bringing the camping gear on a plane is not acceptable.
As this discussion proceed it would be good to have a more definite
"where and when", since it will take some planning to get from here to
Yellowstone.
Then, later on, comes all the fun, planning for what flies I'll need
and so on.
Let's try and make this happen................
/Roger
Mark Bowen
"angler" <ang...@mail.bip.net> wrote in message
news:386c6561-cfa3-4ad4...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
/Roger
Roger,
I'd be more than happy to ship my campin' gear to where ever you end up
travelin' to. I have some pretty decent lightweight gear that I bought to
hang out with Wolfgang and Asadi back in 2000. Bivy style tent, less than 5
lbs. (Mountain Hardware), SlumberJack sleepin' bags--separating--bag-in-bag
design, good to -30 fahren., Primus stove, Ther-o-rest pad, Pure Hiker water
filter.
Let me know your plans and I will be happy to help out, with no worries if
unexpected things happen to gear--I'm not one to fret such matters. I'd ship
everything in a reusable shipping container and you would merely have to
ship it back to me--I'll eve pay return shipping!
Mark Bowen
"Mark Bowen" <beau...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:4gfIm.1800$ky1....@newsfe14.iad...
>
> Roger,
>
> I'd be more than happy to ship my campin' gear to where ever you end up
> travelin' to. I have some pretty decent lightweight gear that I bought to
> hang out with Wolfgang and Asadi back in 2000. Bivy style tent, less than
> 5 lbs. (Mountain Hardware), SlumberJack sleepin'
> bags--separating--bag-in-bag design, good to -30 fahren., Primus stove,
> Ther-o-rest pad, Pure Hiker water filter.
>
> Let me know your plans and I will be happy to help out, with no worries if
> unexpected things happen to gear--I'm not one to fret such matters. I'd
> ship everything in a reusable shipping container and you would merely have
> to ship it back to me--I'll eve pay return shipping!
>
> Mark
> beau...@charter.net
Oops, sorry for the reply to my own post, but I forgot to mention.
If you have a list of campin' items that you generally take, send me the
list and i will see to it that you get it. You know: huntin' knife, first
aid kit, Bear Spray, handguns, Rifles, sorry--no grenades. Just let me know.
Mark
jeff
my suggestion is that you, jarmo, and your crowd decide on the dates
that suit you. then, give some idea of budget and travel and lodging
preferences. once that is done, you'll have plenty of volunteered ideas.
if danl and willi and rw come, they probably have spare tents and bags.
i know warren, who lives in bozeman and has a drift boat, will help you
too. simply put...you guys can pretty much call the game and no doubt
others will assist.
if yellowstone is the central destination, there are 5 separate (and
distant) entrance points to the park - each with places to stay.
reservations need to be made soon if you want conventional lodging. my
usual and preferred location is about 30 miles west of west yellowstone,
at the slide inn or at the howling mad moon, just because i know my way
around from there and it affords a nice variety. i like warm showers and
a soft bed too...and i usually see danl and harry mason when i'm out
there. i also like the access to idaho - henrys fork and other tribs -
as well as the madison tribs. it's a long way from slough creek, soda
butte, pebble, and some other spots...but we've always managed to fish
them in a day trip (long day). i've stayed outside the southern entrance
to the park once, but not as familiar with it (lewis river and snake
river, and some smaller wyoming streams down there.) the teton park is
several hours south of there, but worth a look if you have time.
ken and others have more experience with gardiner (north) and cooke city
(northeast)area entrance points. west yellowstone (west entrance)is a
tourist town and the most tourist-oriented and crowded...but with great
flyshops - the blue ribbon among them (my preferred spot).
a group can find a suitable cabin or individual rooms near any of the
entrances preferred. but, you need to start now. one idea might be for
a group to rent a large cabin as a central location for day trips.
jeff
Ken Fortenberry
> ...
> As this discussion proceed it would be good to have a more definite
> "where and when", since it will take some planning to get from here to
> Yellowstone.
> Then, later on, comes all the fun, planning for what flies I'll need
> and so on.
> Let's try and make this happen................
If Greater Yellowstone is the "where" then someone ought to
choose a "when" in the very near term. July-August is the
peak of the tourist season and while it is relatively easy
to hike away from the crowds finding lodging is a different
story.
I would imagine most folks on this side of the pond are like
myself and fairly flexible on the dates so I'd say the ball
is in your and Jarmo's court as far as choosing the dates.
If Yellowstone is the destination, there are plenty of folks
here who know their way around so you should have no problem
finding someone to share a cabin and a stream.
As for the Grizzly bears, I offer this quote from the National
Park Service website:
* Injury Table
From 1980-2002, over 62 million people visited Yellowstone National
Park (YNP). During the same period, 32 people were injured by bears.
The chance of being injured by a bear while in the park is
approximately 1 in 1.9 million.
--
Ken Fortenberry
rw
>
> As for the Grizzly bears, I offer this quote from the National
> Park Service website:
>
> * Injury Table
> From 1980-2002, over 62 million people visited Yellowstone National
> Park (YNP). During the same period, 32 people were injured by bears.
> The chance of being injured by a bear while in the park is
> approximately 1 in 1.9 million.
Most people who visit Yellowstone rarely get out of their cars, so
that's a meaningless statistic for someone hiking the backcountry in
known grizzly territory -- like Slough Creek. The risk is still
acceptable, IMO.
--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.
angler
Mark,
Thank you for the offer, and possibly, if someone else also feels it's
a good idea, it is something that could be done.
Anyway, once the where and when is settled (I saw Jeff suggest that
Jarmo and me make a suggestion on when) it will be easier to plan
details.
/Roger
angler
Ok, it is not possible for me to be away from home 1:st week of July
or 2:nd week of August. But since it is more than 6 months away in
time I think I can be fairly flexible regarding all the weeks in
between. Jarmo?
Oh, and it will be hard for me to spend more than up to 9 days.
/Roger
Jarmo Hurri
Roger> Ok, it is not possible for me to be away from home 1:st week of
Roger> July or 2:nd week of August. But since it is more than 6 months
Roger> away in time I think I can be fairly flexible regarding all the
Roger> weeks in between. Jarmo?
I'm pretty flexible - until 2nd week of August, I think - but at least
earlier the timetables of my friends were pretty much limited to the end
of July and beginning of August. I have not yet received a response from
them regarding these latest plans.
A few notes about other issues that have been discussed here:
- For me the optimal accommodation would be a motorhome. It would
provide flexibility if conditions would require a change of location.
- I don't mind seeing other fishermen on the same river, but I would
willingly choose a less crowded river even if it meant smaller /
fewer fish. With this in mind, spending at least part of the time in
other location than Yellowstone sounds tempting. Maybe it could be
northern Montana / southeast BC?
Larry L
. Maybe it could be
> northern Montana / southeast BC?
>
One thing I keep wanting to say but haven't yet
IS
the 'good fishing' zone within the area defined as Montana/Idaho/
Wyoming/Alberta
IS HUGE ...
seeing it all in one or two or three or five trips, , or trying
to, ... is, imho, a mistake
as Jeff has said, even within day trip distance of West Yellowstone
there is more water than a lifetime of vacations could cover ( over
two thousand miles of streams, within a hundred+ miles, if I remember
correctly what Craig told me )
There seem to be two major styles of visiting angler.
The most common I call 'name collectors' and they run from place to
place adding to a 'been there done that' list of names to drop at the
office or club meeting. I have had my periods of 'name collecting'
back when I was younger, so I do understand the temptation. But,
maybe because I'm now the opposite, these folks always seem the least
satisfied with their visit when I meet and chat with them.
Another approach is what I 'think' Jeff does, sample a variety within
a relatively small physical area. Believe me the variety is there
and most visitors seem best served by this approach. It becomes a
type of adopted home waters thing, much as one might alternate
specific day trips within one's own area, a nice blend of 'new' and
'old love'
Not recommended for anyone else, is my approach and the one I find in
my slowly growing circle of true troutbum friends. Returning each
year, for long periods, to places that have become so personally
special as to feel more like home ... than home. I know a couple,
both used to guide/drive shuttle/work in shops .. i.e diehard fly
fishers ... that travel each year from well down into Mexico up to
almost Alaska in BC, and then back again, fishing. But they hit the
same spots each year with little change. Of course they've had their
past days of 'name collecting' and know which names best suit
them.
I know several people that spend the entire season (or damn near) on
the Ranch. They could be anywhere, within reason, being retired and
living out of RVs, but choose to fish daily a water that ( in my
experience, polling those I run into ) greatly disappoints the vast
majority of the 'name collector' set. Only intimacy, and time, leads
to such 'true love.' That intimacy, and, obviously time, is beyond
the possibility of the two week trip, thus my "not recommended"
My point, if I have one, it that the 'name collecting,' one night
stand, approach leaves one with little more than names to remember.
However, really getting to know, even one place, is beyond the
possible for the vacationing angler. So, somewhere in between is the
zone of likely highest return.
IMHO, it takes a few days, bare minimum, to even start to get a 'feel'
for any water that is complex enough to have the potential of becoming
a true love with time.
Leaving one water that seems to know how to treat you just like you
want to be treated to visit another just because it's 'new' is
something we all do/ have done. But I think it's significant, that
it was back when we were younger, less mature, and less certain of
what we really wanted.
My suggestion is to pick a base and plan on experiencing a variety
near that base. Ask Jeff, I'm sure he will support me in my
statement that it is fully possible ( for a vacation period, you'd die
of exhaustion over longer time ;-) to sample new small streams daily
and still make it to the (can be in Jul/Aug ) awesome nightly caddis
affair on the Madison below Quake ... both
Larry L ( who wanders a lot and says little, but, .... with long
posts )
jeff
> Roger> Ok, it is not possible for me to be away from home 1:st week of
> Roger> July or 2:nd week of August. But since it is more than 6 months
> Roger> away in time I think I can be fairly flexible regarding all the
> Roger> weeks in between. Jarmo?
>
> I'm pretty flexible - until 2nd week of August, I think - but at least
> earlier the timetables of my friends were pretty much limited to the end
> of July and beginning of August. I have not yet received a response from
> them regarding these latest plans.
>
> A few notes about other issues that have been discussed here:
> - For me the optimal accommodation would be a motorhome. It would
> provide flexibility if conditions would require a change of location.
> - I don't mind seeing other fishermen on the same river, but I would
> willingly choose a less crowded river even if it meant smaller /
> fewer fish. With this in mind, spending at least part of the time in
> other location than Yellowstone sounds tempting. Maybe it could be
> northern Montana / southeast BC?
>
i think you have a misunderstanding of the "crowds" as an issue. you
will have no problem finding uncrowded waters...as in no other
fishermen...if you simply hike a bit. i have been there 5 or 6 times
now, and have always been able to find uncrowded places. i've fished a
mile or more on some streams without encountering another fisherman.
there is simply so much fishable water in the area that, with a little
effort, you can find the serene and solitary in and near the park. that
entire area of the world, though not like the arctic you fellas have
shared in photos, is amazing and you'll not go wrong with any choice you
make.
if you visit the park area, you're more likely to have a number of folks
available to meet and show you about...so i'd suggest making it a part
of your plans. montana is a big state...and it's a long drive from the
park to glacier, missoula, or british columbia. i've not done it, so
others can tell you what to expect...but, i've driven about out there
enough to know there is a lot of "there" out there.
lots of folks rent motorhome vehicles out west, and you won't have too
much trouble doing it. i've met a number of americans along the madison
who were doing that...it looked like fun, but those are some big
expensive wheels.
again...fix your dates and lets begin discussing options about locations
and lodging.
jeff
jeff
you're always spot on with me larry...at least so far anyway.
fishing is such a unique individual effort. other than the shared joy
and philosophy of chasing the great mystery, it is hard to know whether
one's own preference will ever match with others'. for a first visit, to
get a sense of that area and to establish a foundation for future trips,
the yellowstone area is my best suggestion. if they want canada or
alaska or even distant areas of montana, i think they need a month or
more and even that would be too hurried for me. hell...yellowstone done
right requires a month.
while i've no doubt it can disappoint some tastes and expectations, and
there is a lot to complain about for those sweating the small stuff, the
yellowstone area (from all sides...including nearby last chance idaho)
remains my favorite western fishing destination for a 7-14 day trip. i
learn something new each visit, but i also value the surroundings.
willi and rw like camping on remote wyoming streams ... like you, they
have the luxury of living in the nearby west and can make annual trysts
to a variety of locations. i don't like crowds, and i value the remote
spaces, shared or solitary...but, i've never been disappointed in my
visits to that part of this world. i missed going out this year... i
intend to be there next year if i'm able, and i hope to see harry mason,
warren, danl, you, and a few nordic folks as well.
jeff
Charlie S
<jarmo.hur...@edu.hel.fi> wrote:
>
>Greetings!
>
>Next year is a special occasion for me and some of my Finnish friends:
>once again, our capacity to function decreases slightly and probability
>of death increases, but this time there is some nice numerology
>involved.
>
>To celebrate this, we have planned a longer fishing trip. There are
>several possible locations, including Sweden / Norway and
>Greenland. However, for some weird reason some of us would be
>particularly interested in fishing either in the US or in Canada. If we
>would come to North America, the timing would be end of July / beginning
>of August. The whole trip would take 2-3 weeks.
>
>We have already explored many of the possibilities. We have surfed the
>net extensively. We have read books about Alaska, Vancouver Island, and
>I have admired Behnke's Trout and Salmon of North America. My friends
>have made a two-week trip to Alaska once (in October, IIRC). I have
>wetted line in Vancouver twice, but not very successfully.
>
>If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
>August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
>probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
>concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
>Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
>should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
>promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
>Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
>and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
>suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
>regions over there.
>
>We do have some money to spend on this, but we're not filthy rich. My
>favorite type of fishing is small-stream fishing, but my friends like to
>target bigger fish, and I have nothing against that. Unfortunately
>neither stillwater fishing nor combat fishing are our favorites.
>
>Please help us speed up economic recovery and global warming, or at
>least help us survive this long Nordic winter.
Have you considered saltwater? South Padre Island (Texas) offers some
great redfish and trout, with occasional tarpon and snook. Once you've
battled a bull red (something over 30" or so), you'll never forget it!
:-)
(remove bluegill to email me)
Charlie S.
RM2, USN-Ret.
(remove bluegill to email)
David LaCourse
I'm considering going back to Kamchatka next August/Sept. Flights to
Moscow are about $1000 roundtrip from Boston, while the connecting
flight from Moscow to Petropavlosk is around $800. I should think that
airfare from Helsinki to Petro would be less than to, say, Bozman,
Montana.
There are several outfitters (I've used the Fly Shop out of Redding,
Cal and I'm familiar with one other, Ouzel). Seven-day float trips on
trophy rainbow waters top out at about $6,000 (including visa, fishing
license, and necessary paper work for U.S. citizens), but may be
cheaper for Finns.
Something to consider, anyway.
Also, have you considered the Kola Peninsula, just around the corner
from you. That is another of my dream destinations.
Just some food for thought. You live so close to some very, very good
fishing in wild country with no other folks except you and your party.
Dave
angler
Dave,
I realize you posted your question to Jarmo, but I can't refrain from
answering, mostly because the destinations you mention always was high
on my priority list.
The Kola Peninsula is next door (literally) and for me it goes beyond
consider, I actually booked a trip to go there, but then my father-in-
law (back when I was married) died and I had to cancel the whole trip.
With Kamchatka it's so that I have been trying to persuade several of
my friends to join me for a trip there, and had but one of them felt
that they could afford it I would already have gone.
Too bad it isn't feasible for me to do more than one major fishing
trip per year (time issue).
/Roger
Jarmo Hurri
jeff> again...fix your dates and lets begin discussing options about
jeff> locations and lodging.
Been having the flu for a week. At the end I had energy to read some
Lyons, Raymond and Donnall Thomas Jr. to get into the mood. I have been
fishing a number of Montana streams mentally during the past few days.
One of my comrades is trying to procreate and is thus uncertain about
his ability to take the trip next summer. He will not know his status
until February. Since I think that the probability of him having new
offspring at that time is quite high, I think I will now proceed as if
he will not join. I will contact the third fisherman soon to discuss how
he feels about this. At the moment I think that this turn of events
frees me from the earlier date constraints, which means that I could
then come to fish in the US at any time in July.
Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.
David LaCourse
>
>
> Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
> more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
> as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
> Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
> thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
> winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.
There are a number of journals published by Frank Amato Publications,
Inc. I have the journals for:
Yellowstone, Henry's Fork, The Madison, Big Hole, Silver Creek, Clark
Fork, Yakima River, Rogue River, McKenzie River, Deschutes, Kenai River
(Alaska), Sacramento River, Green River, Thompson River (BC), Rio
Grande, North Platte, and rivers in Pennsylvania, New York, and
Michigan.
They are well written by locals familiar with each river, and include
list/pictures of popular flies, maps, fauna and flora, and local
facilities.
Each journal is about $16 US. I believe they are still in print.
Dave
georgecleveland
<jarmo.hur...@edu.hel.fi> wrote:
>
> I was
>thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
>winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.
Traver is great (we're dissecting 'Trout Madness' in our Winter
bookclub right now
http://www.wisflyfishing.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?catselect=bookclubs).
McGuane is a classic Rockies author('The Longest Silence'). M.R.
Montgomery's 'Way of the Trout' takes a look at wild trout and the
American West. John Geirach's books have a lot of interesting Western
fishing in them. Then there's Joe Brooks and LaFontaine for more
technical stuff.
Lots of good stuff out there. You could just save money and spend your
Summer reading about Western trout fishing and still have a good time.
Geo. C.
Tim Lysyk
> Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
> more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
> as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
> Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
> thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
> winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.
>
A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway -
Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca
There is a short review at
http://www.broken-fish.net/2008/raves/04/17/albertas-trout-highway/
It is a pretty good book. The area covered would make a very nice road trip.
Tim Lysyk
MajorOz
> Jarmo Hurri wrote:
> > Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
> > more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
> > as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
> > Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
> > thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
> > winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.
>
> A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway -
> Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca
>
>
> There is a short review athttp://www.broken-fish.net/2008/raves/04/17/albertas-trout-highway/
>
> It is a pretty good book. The area covered would make a very nice road trip.
>
> Tim Lysyk
Google up _Trout Bum_. It's the way it was, in pre-yuppie fly fishing
in Colorado.
cheers
oz
Conan The Librarian
> A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway -
> Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca
>
> http://www.amazon.ca/Albertas-Trout-Highway-Fishing-Forestry/dp/09688...
>
> There is a short review athttp://www.broken-fish.net/2008/raves/04/17/albertas-trout-highway/
>
> It is a pretty good book. The area covered would make a very nice road trip.
I'll second the book suggestion. I've sampled a few of the waters
in there on my Canadian trips, and once I retire I hope to devote a
few years to covering that whole area. Gorgeous country and beautiful
wild fish.
Another suggestion for that area: Jim McLennan's _Trout Streams of
Alberta_. He's very knowledgeable about the area, and I really like
his writing style.
Chuck Vance (so, been fishing any recently, Tim?)
Tim Lysyk
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> Chuck Vance (so, been fishing any recently, Tim?)
Sadly, no. Got out on the Crow once or twice this year, a few lake
trips, and one short expedition into the Gap, but it has been a pretty
non-fishing year for me. Lots of excuses, but I guess the biggest is the
amount of travelling I had to do for work.
I did get to spend a week in Turkey at a conference. That was pretty cool.
Tim Lysyk
Conan The Librarian
I'll bet it was. What areas did you visit?
For me it's been a non-fishing year as well. I got my week in the
Smokies and fished one day while we were in Italy in September. Other
than that it's been dead. It doesn't help that we were in the throes
of a 2 year drought until September. My favorite river was literally
drying up before my eyes. It had become a series of pools separated
by damp spots rather than a river.
But things are looking better now.
Chuck Vance
Tim Lysyk
I was in Antalya, a resort town along the Mediterranean. I was at a
conference, so I was mainly at the resort but we did get out and tour
the local area for a day, see a dance performance, and swim in the
Mediterranean. I really enjoyed it, and will likely be going back with
the family for a longer visit.
Tim Lysyk
Jarmo Hurri
Tim> A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway
Tim> - Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca
Good tip. The copy that is being sold on amazon.ca is a used one sold by
a third party. I will try to locate a new one somewhere. I guess some
fly shops might carry the book. A quick search produced no result. I
will continue my search.
While I was browsing the internet, I bumped into a couple of really nice
trip reports from the area. I must say, it looks like a nice place
indeed.