THE PHILLIES WIN! THE PHILLIES WIN!
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Sheesh,
R
Giles
Idiot.
DaveS
. . . of the $100k plus no-show, oil field job I fixed up for him
while I was on that industry watchdog committee. My pastor said it was
OK. Like my dress?
Sarah
WhackJob front runner
Fred
The Yankees won!
Yanqiui Si Philly non!
Go Arod
Fred
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
>On Nov 5, 4:15�am, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> ...well, at least according to Nancy Pelosi...
>>
>> Sheesh,
>> R
>
>. . . of the $100k plus no-show, oil field job I fixed up for him
>while I was on that industry watchdog committee. My pastor said it was
>OK.
Yeah, she tried to get him a job at the U of C Hospitals, but all the "gimme"
jobs had been taken by wives...
> Like my dress?
Well, it does make your ass look big...maybe if you removed your head, you
betcha...
HTH,
R
OTOH, ya gotta give some credit to BP, what with having the foresight to give a
job to the guy who was married to the girl who, a coupla years later, would
become the mayor of Wasilla...
>
>Sarah
>WhackJob front runner
~^ beancounter ~^
DaveS
> why are the dem's so scared of sarah?
Mostly because people like you who want to overthrow our democracy and
install a whackjob religion theocracy will vote for her mainly because
your consumption of junk foods and drug addict Rush poop has addled
your minds.
Dave
DaveS
The "no-show" job was a bribe. Plain and simple. Alaskan corruption is
right up there with Mississippi corruption. But then maybe you don't
read the papers about BP which right in your backyard has been getting
away with safety violations at its operations in all the Gulf states.
Violations that have killed American workers. Of course if a person
didn't give a shit about American workers I guess they might consider
bribing an industry watchdog committee member an exhibition of
"foresight."
Dave
These folks aren't conservatives, they are TORIES,
Frank Reid © 2008
I love it when a shot across the bow goes right through the wheel
house.
Frank Reid
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Well, if he hadn't fired before he checked where he was aiming, he wouldn't have
a hole in his own glass wheel house...
Not that facts have anything to do with it, but Palin went to work for BP about
the same time he got married (about 20 years ago), and before Sarah was even on
the Wasilla town council, much less on any "watchdog committee." I'd say that
Sarah Palin's state political career may well have negatively affected Todd
Palin's oilfield career rather than helped it as, IIRC, he was moved to a
non-management position while she was on the "watchdog committee," and knowing a
bit about the industry, I'd say it's likely he was sorta looked at, at least by
the "rank and file," as "Mr. Sarah" rather than "Mr. Palin." He was never more
than, IIRC, a production supervisor or superintendent (basically, a "blue
collar" mid-level manager) and from all I've heard, he basically worked his way
up to it (and it isn't all that far a trip). Anyone with the least bit of
familiarity with the industry would hardly call his employment history and
"rise" to such a position in 20 years unusual.
As to "safety violations," I know a fair number of people in all phases of the
petroleum industry, from roustabouts and tool pushers to upper management and
company owners, and pretty much universally, they support the industry's
treatment of them. And it certainly isn't in the self-interest of the big
multi-nationals like BP to ignore safety. Much of the supposed "violations" are
"worker-choice" rather than "management directed" - look at the mess/explosion
at Texas City with the tower start and blowdown system. Even if you assume
"management" doesn't care in the least for any of the workers (which I know not
to be true), it simply isn't in the company's interest to blow up the company's
facilities. Last I heard, even the steelworker's union wasn't accusing BP of
anything - it was just a series of mistakes, some made by contractors, that led
to a tragic accident. Plus, many are OSHA reg violations that "management" has
little control over in actual daily practice, such as personnel failing to wear
appropriate (and provided) safety gear, just as it is in a lot of the
construction industry. For example, I've personally seen gang boxes of fall
arresters and harnesses sitting unused on both wellsites and jobsites, due to
workers not wanting to wear them rather than "management" not providing them.
They are literally ordered to use them, they wear them until company safety
and/or OSHA leaves, and off they come.
HTH,
R
DaveS
Well once again you are serving up the Kool Aid. But Richard, you
aren't supposed to quaff it yourself.
1. Mr. Sarah got the "no show" status AFTER Mrs Sarah got the
oversight appointment. Not 20 years when he began his "career."
2. Boy oh boy maybe you should check out current news BEFORE you try
to serve up the Kool Aid. Then you might have stowed your special
industry insider insights. Here, I'll help you. . .
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/30/business/main5460864.shtml
Dave
Tis noble not to gloat, right?
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
>On Nov 7, 5:07�pm, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>Well once again you are serving up the Kool Aid. But Richard, you
>aren't supposed to quaff it yourself.
>
>1. Mr. Sarah got the "no show" status AFTER Mrs Sarah got the
>oversight appointment. Not 20 years when he began his "career."
Not as I understand it - he went back as non-management (such as his previous
position was "management"), after unpaid leave to avoid COI, because his family
needed the income, to a company he had been with for nearly 20 years.
>
>2. Boy oh boy maybe you should check out current news BEFORE you try
>to serve up the Kool Aid. Then you might have stowed your special
>industry insider insights. Here, I'll help you. . .
>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/30/business/main5460864.shtml
>
>Dave
>Tis noble not to gloat, right?
Um - gloat away, if you ever have anything to gloat about...the Texas City
incident is what I was talking about re: the tower restart and blowdown
explosion. And if you knew anything of which you spoke, the fact that OSHA
fined a company, in and of itself, is nearly meaningless. And if you wish to
contend that BP doesn't care about workers' safety, then you are forced to admit
that at least one union, the steelworker's union, doesn't, either. I don't know
what union, if any, reps the contractor's workers that were killed.
HTH,
R
DaveS
Here is the headline from the October 30, 2009, CBS reported story
"BP Issued $87M Fine for OSHA Violations"
"U.S. Says Oil Giant Failed to Fix Hazards, Committed New Violations
at Texas Refinery Where 2005 Explosion Killed 15"
My guess is your special insight informants don't speak to you from
the land of the dead, right? Maybe you need a reading list?
Dave
DaveS
Duh, ever heard of "right to work" laws? And the contractor staff are
non-union because . . . ? You can't have it both ways Richard. Look,
if you believe that workers do not care about their own safety, and
that all you are doing is reflecting what everybody at all levels of
the industry "tell" you, you just keep it up. Keep talking.
I just love it when you say corporate bribery is "foresight" and play
like Mississippi casino money never made it into Delay's (et al)
sweaty paws, and now your take on BP's murderous approach to worker
safety.
Get real, and get clear. Worker safety isn't Right or Left; You make
my case that what America needs is more centrist, more moderate
politics, not ideological claptrap. If BP is going to do business in
the USA it needs to respect our laws and our people.
Dave
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Yes, your dress does make your ass look big - trying removing your head...
HTH,
R
DaveS
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:09:32 -0800 (PST), DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, your dress does make your ass look big - trying removing your head...
>
> HTH,
> R
Did you hear that?
Yep.
Was that the sound of a win for the American people?
Yep.
You mean Richard will wake tomorrow to learn that the House Democrats
passed Health Care Reform?
Yep
You think he will cry?
No. Feudalists just want the very best for the American people they
own.
Dave
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
>On Nov 7, 6:40�pm, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:09:32 -0800 (PST), DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, your dress does make your ass look big - trying removing your head...
>>
>> HTH,
>> R
>
>Did you hear that?
>Yep.
>Was that the sound of a win for the American people?
>Yep.
>You mean Richard will wake tomorrow to learn that the House Democrats
>passed Health Care Reform?
GOOD LORD! The "American people"?! You mean Pelosi wants to pay for Botox and
abortions for Chileans? Just what the US needs - the courts jammed up with
Hondurans extradited from Tegucigalpa who can't pay their "no health insurance"
fines. Well, if thing does wind up covering elective procedures, the Brazilians
are gonna be a problem...hell, 1.2 trillion won't cover 6 months of wax, um,
down there...
>Yep
>You think he will cry?
>No. Feudalists just want the very best for the American people they
>own.
Oh, absolutely - for example, I'd have voted to subsidize a newnew muumuu for
youyou...
>
>Dave
HTH,
R
DaveS
SNIP
> Oh, absolutely - for example, I'd have voted to subsidize a newnew muumuu for
> youyou...
>
> R
Facts Richard, Facts.
Tory feudalists have fought and sabotage EVERY attempt to pass
reasonable immigration policies in the US for the last 40 years.
Feudalist businesses have benefited massively from the use of legal
and illegal low wage labor and the use of immigrants in widespread and
organized anti worker and anti union assaults on the American middle
class dream. Or maybe you want to pretend that the businesses and
companies with which you are associated with do not employ many
immigrants, legal and otherwise?
The hypocrisy of your last statement is recognizable to anyone who has
seen the massive state and federal subsidization of immigrant health
care, daycare, unemployment compensation etc etc, as immigrant
exploiting industries have shifted these costs on to the public tit.
On your Muumuu obsession. You sound like you've got a whole closet
full of last year's Muumuus. Maybe you can take them to your next Log
Cabin Club outing, or send a few to Rove. You two look the same size.
Dave
40 percent of private sector employees get NO sick leave.
American Union members don't have to put up with that crap.
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
>On Nov 8, 6:31�am, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>SNIP
>> Oh, absolutely - for example, I'd have voted to subsidize a newnew muumuu for
>> youyou...
>>
>> HTH,
>> R
>
>Facts Richard, Facts.
Yeah, as soon as learn some, let me know. Until then, maybe you ought to stick
to teaching folks how "turnip" translates into various languages - shoot, Sarge,
you're a regular, er, babblepish...
HTH,
R
MajorOz
Have you ever observed, or been involved with, a situation in which a
company attempted to fire an employee for failing to use provided
safety equipment, resulting in an OSHA fine to the company, and then
the union, ADMITTING that the employee did as stated, threatened to
strike if he was fired?
I did, and sat in on the mediation board. [ we fired his ass and
almost got the union to reimburse the fine ]
It happens.
cheers
oz, ex safety and IH consultant
Giles
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:43:07 -0800 (PST), DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 6:31 am, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >SNIP
> >> Oh, absolutely - for example, I'd have voted to subsidize a newnew muumuu for
> >> youyou...
>
> >> HTH,
> >> R
>
> >Facts Richard, Facts.
>
> Yeah, as soon as learn some, let me know. Until then, maybe you ought to stick
> to teaching folks how "turnip" translates into various languages - shoot, Sarge,
> you're a regular, er, babblepish...
>
> HTH,
> R
Idiot.
Asshole.
Cracker.
g.
Giles
Pride goeth before the fall.
g.
DaveS
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:43:07 -0800 (PST), DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 8, 6:31 am, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >SNIP
> >> Oh, absolutely - for example, I'd have voted to subsidize a newnew muumuu for
> >> youyou...
>
> >> HTH,
> >> R
>
> >Facts Richard, Facts.
>
> Yeah, as soon as learn some, let me know. Until then, maybe you ought to stick
> to teaching folks how "turnip" translates into various languages - shoot, Sarge,
> you're a regular, er, babblepish...
>
> HTH,
> R
Richard, you are too easy. There was a time when you were a challenge
but anymore you just fold after you mouth some absurdities. Pick up
the pace man. Got anything more to say about Rep Pelosi? How about
Michelle's arms? Or Barbara Boxer's shoes? HoHaHehehe.
You know on that Palin thing? You should send her some money, or at
least buy a case or two of her books. You know of course that she has
been sucking up to Dr. Dobson's Theocracy cult, right? Help her along
Rich, and then try to convince yourself that it was good for the USA.
Dave
So, you give those extra Muumuus of yours to the guys at the club, or
what?
DaveS
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well it happens. My father said his half brother was beaten to death
by paid company thugs in a textile strike and thrown in a ditch. How
many corporate execs have the Unions murdered and thrown in a ditch?
Some personal history proving nothing.
Bottom line is that in countries with free and democratic Unions, the
right to organize and to collectively bargain, working people benefit,
and generally the rest of those societies live better and longer.
Dave
From the people who brought you the Weekend: America's Unions.
Frank Reid © 2008
On the opposite side, I don't want to be forced into a union just to
keep my job.
Frank Reid
DaveS
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well that IS the tricky part. The issue comes down to who pays dues
and who benefits from the wages and benefits negotiated by the union
from a position of collective strength. There are situations where
people don't join as members but pay their fair share of the cost of
bargaining the better wages and benefits gained by the union. And
there are situations in which employers keep some job classes non-
union by matching the wages and benefits of organized workers. There
are definitely tricky areas of individual free agency versus group
strength, not that different whenever individuals come together with
other individuals to form a group enterprise. I don't think these
tricky areas will ever go away, consequently I think one of the valid
roles of representative government is to periodically renew the
balance between individual rights, allowable business behaviour and
the preferences of organized labor. Again I think the answers for each
generation lay toward the moderate political center and not in
ideological slogans.
Dave
I am going to have to try that carp.
Ken Fortenberry
> DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
>> Bottom line is that in countries with free and democratic Unions, the
>> right to organize and to collectively bargain, working people benefit,
>> and generally the rest of those societies live better and longer.
>
> keep my job.
If you get the same benefits as those who bargain collectively you
should pay union dues just like they do. Now, if you want to pay
the dues but not join, that's fine too.
--
Ken Fortenberry
David LaCourse
<kennethfo...@gmail.com> said:
Pure Fortenberry horse kaka.
My dad HAD to belong to the crooked Teamsters or he couldn't drive. He
was the only semi driver at a small petroleum engineering company. He
got his raises the old fashion way - he earned them. He got a raise
every year at Christmas time when he also got a bonus. The bonus was
small - $100-200, but it was enormous to a man that never made more
than $6000/year. The union? Well, they gave him a button for his hat
at a million miles accident free.
He hated the unions because they took advantage of the working man.
Westinghouse (remember them?) used to have a factory in East
Springfield, MA. Most of the kids I went thru grammar school had at
least one parent employed by Westinghouse. EVERY f&%#$@ year, the
union would call a strike, usually around October. Sometimes the
strikes would last past Christmas. Every year the teachers would ask
us how our Christmas was, and the union kids would say they didn't have
a Christmas because the union was on strike.
I asked my mom and dad what a union was and they explained it to me.
They also told me that the chumps that worked for Westinghouse would go
on strike for 6, 8, maybe 10 weeks just to get a 10-20 cent/hour raise.
It would take them months to make up the wages they lost, only to go
on strike again. Of course their union dues went up each time. The
thugs/gangsters that ran the union got *their* money.
Louie
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Exactly that? No, but I've seen enough weird OSHA shit to know that Dave
doesn't have a clue about that which he speaks.
TC,
R
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
<babble snipped>
Adjust your muumuu or you'll get your shoulders caught in the bottom hem as you
go deeper...
HTH,
R
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
>On Nov 9, 2:49�pm, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
"Forced" into a union?! What thinking person would need to be "forced" to join
an organization that has nothing but their interest at heart? Why, shoot, you
ought to look at it as being _allowed_ the _privilege_ of joining...haven't you
been reading what Dave and Ken have written?
HTH,
R
DaveS
Well Richard I worked in about 36 States and have interviewed a few
thousand working people in my work as a management consultant. Ive
been in hundreds of workplaces and fixed a few hundred fucked up
situations created by people who couldn't manage their way out of a
paper bag, and never would have got their management jobs if they
didn't have family pull or were not white, or did not have a sadistic
personality. I also owned and ran a company that rehabilitated injured
workers. We specialized in head injuries.
I doubt if you've seen more from your armchair or thru the window of
your vehicle.
That last little exhibition of ignorance about the situation with BP,
and that load you passed on the Mississippi casino business say a lot.
Dave
During 5 years of the Raygun administration the Hate America team cut
off travel funds to the Regional OSHA inspection teams so they could
not enforce work safety rules. They were told to sit at their desks
and do nothing.
Giles
Hm.....
I guess I'd rather be forced into a union than out of a job.
giles
who has been in both camps more than once.
um......on second thought.......
DaveS
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:54:06 -0800 (PST), DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> babbled:
>
> <babble snipped>
>
> Adjust your muumuu or you'll get your shoulders caught in the bottom hem as you
> go deeper...
>
> HTH,
> R
Rich, some profs at the University of Georgia have research that shows
that men, who have negative affects toward homosexuals, exhibit strong
physical arousal when exposed to homosexual porn, while men who have a
neutral affect towards homosexuals, are not aroused by homosexual
porn. You seem to be able to create your own homosexual images in
posts like the last few. You might want to check out the research.
The profs are Henry Adams, Lester Wright, and Bethany Lohr,
psychiatrists and researchers at the U of Georgia. I think their
research on repressed homosexuality was published in the "Journal of
Abnormal Psychology," in 1996.
Dave
Giles
wrote:
If you paid the dues, you joined. Now if you want to join and not
articulate (as opposed to participate), that's fine too.
Idiot.
Giles
> On 2009-11-09 16:24:04 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
Good god, you are stupid.
And a pig.
g.
Giles
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:57:11 -0800 (PST), Frank Reid © 2008 <flytye...@gmail.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Imbecile.
g.
Giles
Giles
> On Nov 9, 3:35 pm, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> Well Richard I worked in about 36 States and have interviewed a few
> thousand working people in my work as a management consultant. Ive
> been in hundreds of workplaces and fixed a few hundred fucked up
> situations created by people who couldn't manage their way out of a
> paper bag, and never would have got their management jobs if they
> didn't have family pull or were not white, or did not have a sadistic
> personality. I also owned and ran a company that rehabilitated injured
> workers.
You left out the part about managing a municipal water
supply. :)
> We specialized in head injuries.
Well, I'm not surprised. Anybody?
> I doubt if you've seen more from your armchair or thru the window of
> your vehicle.
>
> That last little exhibition of ignorance about the situation with BP,
> and that load you passed on the Mississippi casino business say a lot.
And yet you speak to it like I do to adult human beings. ???
> Dave
> During 5 years of the Raygun administration the Hate America team cut
> off travel funds to the Regional OSHA inspection teams so they could
> not enforce work safety rules. They were told to sit at their desks
> and do nothing.
Which makes them look an awful lot like career politicians and
bureaucrats.....and.....?
g.
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
>On Nov 9, 3:35�pm, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>Well Richard I worked in about 36 States and have interviewed a few
>thousand working people in my work as a management consultant. Ive
>been in hundreds of workplaces and fixed a few hundred fucked up
>situations created by people who couldn't manage their way out of a
>paper bag, and never would have got their management jobs if they
>didn't have family pull or were not white, or did not have a sadistic
>personality. I also owned and ran a company that rehabilitated injured
>workers. We specialized in head injuries.
Uh, yeah, sure, a few hundred, whatever you say, Mrs. Roper...but I do
absolutely believe the last sentence...
>
<more babble snipped>
From what I've seen in your posts if read, you don't know your head injury from
your hemorrhoid, despite a bird's-eye viewview under your muumuu...
You may babble away,
R
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Uh, thanks, no, I'll pass...but I'm glad that you are looking into your thing
for Rush's rectum and Rove's rump...now if you can find something to help with
your head injury...
HTH,
R
Giles
DaveS
SNIPITY SNIP SNIP>
> You left out the part about managing a municipal water
> supply. :)
>
If by "municipal" you mean 16 houses and one well, and by "manage" you
include "run as a volunteer," then yeah. I think of municipal as
something bigger but, what the hell.
Dave
Live long enuf and you do a lot of stuff.
DaveS
SNIP SNIP>
> <more babble snipped>
>
> From what I've seen in your posts if read, you don't know your head injury from
> your hemorrhoid, despite a bird's-eye viewview under your muumuu...
>
> You may babble away,
> R
So you are not going to put forth any bonifides of your own
whatsoever. But I thought you had some experiences you wanted to
share? Is that all you got, just more Muumuu imagery?
Dave
MajorOz
> Well it happens. My father said his half brother was beaten to death
> by paid company thugs in a textile strike and thrown in a ditch. How
> many corporate execs have the Unions murdered and thrown in a ditch?
And Cain slew Abel. Please try to stick to the subject.
> Bottom line is that in countries with free and democratic Unions, the
> right to organize and to collectively bargain, working people...
Please define, for me, "working people". I am interested in how it
differs from "people who work".
If you can, please do not use terminology taken from manifestos.
cheers
oz, who would not join the "professional union" (what a fucking
oxymoron) at his university, negotiated with the president, and earned
50% more than the next highest paid faculty member.
MajorOz
> During 5 years of the Raygun administration the Hate America team cut
> off travel funds to the Regional OSHA inspection teams so they could
> not enforce work safety rules. They were told to sit at their desks
> and do nothing.
Citation, please.......especially about the last assertion.
cheers
oz
DaveS
>
> - Show quoted text -
Citation please, especially for that last comment. Actually for the
last few posts. Chicago Manual of Style preferred, but we will accept
less rigorous styles used in engineering and computer sciences, if
accompanied by a note from home, and a sworn statement attesting to
adequate insurance coverage, or a photocopy of a valid non H1b visa.
Dave
;=)
DaveS
1. Personal Observations, Region X and Region IX regional offices.
Seattle, Washington, Philidelphia, PA., and San Francisco, CA., U.S.
Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
Various dates.
2. Personal Interviews, Staff and managers, Region X, Region III, and
Region IX regional offices. Seattle, Washington and San Francisco,
CA., U.S. Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health
Administration. Various dates.
You could also walk on over to the poly sci dept or if the place where
you make 50% more than . . . has a labor econ faculty or occupational
health faculty ask them and see how my statement plays.
I stopped revising my textbook in '79 or I could have pointed you
there for a fuller discussion. After that most of my work was
professional, not academic.
Dave
As I recall Cle Elum/Roslyn has its own interesting labor history per
the coal mines. Any comments on that glorious chapter in management's
commitment to worker safety?
http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=8016
MajorOz
It was in Washington State, from 1982 to 87, but, unless you can sign
some non-disclosure document, I won't identify it further.
>Actually for the last few posts....
The mediation incident was an engine maintenance contractor at
Portland International Airport.
cheers
oz
MajorOz
> On Nov 10, 10:25 pm, MajorOz <Majo...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 9, 7:45 pm, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > During 5 years of the Raygun administration the Hate America team cut
> > > off travel funds to the Regional OSHA inspection teams so they could
> > > not enforce work safety rules. They were told to sit at their desks
> > > and do nothing.
>
> > Citation, please.......especially about the last assertion.
>
> > cheers
>
> > oz
>
> 1. Personal Observations, Region X and Region IX regional offices.
> Seattle, Washington, Philidelphia, PA., and San Francisco, CA., U.S.
> Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
> Various dates.
>
> 2. Personal Interviews, Staff and managers, Region X, Region III, and
> Region IX regional offices. Seattle, Washington and San Francisco,
> CA., U.S. Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health
> Administration. Various dates.
> As I recall Cle Elum/Roslyn has its own interesting labor history per
> the coal mines. Any comments on that glorious chapter in management's
> commitment to worker safety?http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=8016
I lived in Cle Elum for only the summer/fall/winter of 1998, guiding
and looking for real estate on which to settle. The influx of
Californians, with their concomitant attitudes chased me away. I
wandered some and, eventually, settled where I am now.
I have, therefore no knowledge at all of labor history of the region.
That was then; this is now.
But, my general view is that bad things were done in lawless times.
Today government has tried to usurp personal responsibility by, in the
main, relieving individuals from the consequences of stupid decisions,
eliminating any need to take responsibility for anything -- or teach
such to our children.
Unions contribute, massively, to this mindset.
cheers
oz, B.S., M.S., MPH, PhD, P.E.,CSP, CIH................CIA, FBI, PDQ,
ETC..................and quit working YEARS ago.
DaveS
> ETC..................and quit working YEARS ago.- >
Now that's 2 things we agree on.
Cheers :=))
Dave
Giles
The subject, if I read the header right, was a particular "Mr.
Palin." And your comments thus far are germain.......because......?
>
> > Bottom line is that in countries with free and democratic Unions, the
> > right to organize and to collectively bargain, working people...
>
> Please define, for me, "working people". I am interested in how it
> differs from "people who work".
Well, there's work, and then there's work. Why does one suspect that
some folks reflexively turn their heads on the rare occasions when
they are confronted with the sight of the latter?
> If you can, please do not use terminology taken from manifestos.
It's davie......that ain't gonna happen.
> cheers
Prosit!
> oz, who would not join the "professional union" (what a fucking
> oxymoron)
I'd be interested in a detailed explanation of why "professional
union" is oxymoronic, please.
> at his university, negotiated with the president, and earned
> 50% more than the next highest paid faculty member.
O.k., you got yours. And the rest of humanity......?
giles
Giles
I can sign just about anything. Please do go on.
> >Actually for the last few posts....
>
> The mediation incident was an engine maintenance contractor at
> Portland International Airport.
Ah. Well. Gosh. Who'da thunk it?
> cheers
Up yers.
> oz-
g.
Giles
> On Nov 11, 11:00 am, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 10:25 pm, MajorOz <Majo...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 9, 7:45 pm, DaveS <snedek...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > > During 5 years of the Raygun administration the Hate America team cut
> > > > off travel funds to the Regional OSHA inspection teams so they could
> > > > not enforce work safety rules. They were told to sit at their desks
> > > > and do nothing.
>
> > > Citation, please.......especially about the last assertion.
>
> > > cheers
>
> > > oz
>
> > 1. Personal Observations, Region X and Region IX regional offices.
> > Seattle, Washington, Philidelphia, PA., and San Francisco, CA., U.S.
> > Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
> > Various dates.
>
> > 2. Personal Interviews, Staff and managers, Region X, Region III, and
> > Region IX regional offices. Seattle, Washington and San Francisco,
> > CA., U.S. Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health
> > Administration. Various dates.
> > As I recall Cle Elum/Roslyn has its own interesting labor history per
> > the coal mines. Any comments on that glorious chapter in management's
> > commitment to worker safety?http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&File_Id=8016
>
> I lived in Cle Elum for only the summer/fall/winter of 1998, guiding
> and looking for real estate on which to settle.
Sniff......sniff.....ooh, bad smell! :(
> The influx of
> Californians, with their concomitant attitudes chased me away.
Now THERE'S a statement guaranteed to impress the thoughtful and
serious minded!
> I wandered some
Unique, fascinating, and impressive.
> and, eventually, settled where I am now.
Much longer ago than you suspect or could ever realistically hope to
understand.
> I have, therefore no knowledge at all of labor history of the region.
This much was on the verge of becoming clear.
> That was then; this is now.
And tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.....!
> But, my general view is that bad things were done in lawless times.
Perceptive, cogent (if not entirely uncontroversial), and
devastatingly pointed.
> Today government has tried to usurp personal responsibility
Actually, the populace in general has pretty much abdicated personal
responsibility for anything (look at what passes for politics) and
government has merely, and rather rashly and foolishly, stepped into
the gap.
> by, in the
> main, relieving individuals from the consequences of stupid decisions,
> eliminating any need to take responsibility for anything
Thus explaining our astonishingly low prison population.....as
compared to the rest of the world.....right?
> or teach such to our children.
Having never been subjected to the onerous task of watching over any
whelps of my own, I have enjoyed the luxury of a lifetime of observing
what others do with theirs. It is a mixed blessing that parents are
almost invariably totally incapable of deliberately teaching their
spawn anything.
> Unions contribute, massively, to this mindset.
See, JUST when we were about to take you seriously! :)
> cheers
Barf!
> oz, B.S., M.S., MPH, PhD, P.E.,CSP, CIH................CIA, FBI, PDQ,
> ETC..................
Ooh! Letters! Ooh!
> and quit working YEARS ago.
No, you never started.
Think about it.
g.
whose mother never raised a child so foolish as to expect that serious
suggestions would be taken as such.