How to pack waders for travel?
riverman
what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do
you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff
them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag?
I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting
consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But
what do folks do with waders?
--riverman
Dave LaCourse
Roll them feet first. Beware of foul odors puffing out as you roll.
Green gasses too!
rw
I wear them on the airplane so I'm ready to go when we land. It also
saves on baggage weight limits.
--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.
Frank Reid
"sports" Space Bag. You only need to roll these to get the air out,
vs the vacuum cleaner. Roll the waders up by the feet, put them in
the sports bag and then push the air out. Very little space is taken
and you have a bag that will keep your clothes clean and away from
Louie's 700-days-on-the-water-per-year funk.
Frank Reid
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders,
you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is
the teleport button...don't let the "Fuck Off" label on it fool you...Simms just
labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where
you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself
pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something...
HTH,
R
Dave LaCourse
>Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders,
>you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is
>the teleport button...don't let the "Fuck Off" label on it fool you...Simms just
>labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where
>you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself
>pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something...
Ah, but they're still going strong, Richard. At a dollar a day, they
are now FREE. Of course they smell like something you might cook down
there is Lew-weezey-anna, but with a good wading belt, it ain't bad.
Did I tell you they are now free? Added another 30 days to the total.
They just keep on tickin' and tickin' and tickin'........
Davey
DaveS
here is my approach for when you are working out of a suitcace. :
1. travel with lite stocking foot waders.
2. Pack and use water shoe sandals for boots. The new "uber" crocs
with the lug soles and the back strap work great.
the lite stockingfoots roll real small and the ubercrocs with socks
work well as packable second pair of shoes, unless you buy the pink or
hot orange models. With stout socks they work reasonable well as
hiking shoes. Regular crocs (without the strap) won't work as they
come off in current.
Dave
Why I love my van: don't pack, just toss it in if there is a chance
you will need it. Leave it there all the time until you need it. Works
great for tools, shovels, rope, fishing gear, etc. .
Tom Littleton
"Dave LaCourse" <dplac...@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:cv07555s88opsvktm...@4ax.com...
and, for the record, my $50 "no-names" from Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters are
into season 8, without a leak, and sporting similar odors until aired out.
Proving that it isn't the money spent, just a matter of luck, IMHO.
Tom
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>just a matter of luck, IMHO.
No. It's how many falls on rocks and deadfalls you can survive. No
luck involved.
Back in Maine..... for my grandson's wedding. No fishing......<sigh>
riverman
> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman
>
That's what I do, also, but I have my suspicions that the reason my
Orvis waders gave out was that I was rolling them tightly from the
feet, putting stress on the seals in the instep and heel. I find it
interesting that the manufacturers don't tell you the best way to pack
waders tightly for travel.
--riverman
BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit
analyses were for naught. :-)
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
That ought to be Simms new tagline:
"If you're a stumblebum klutzfuck and a conspicuously-consuming statusweenie,
buy our waders!"
Whereas sensibly-priced companies can use,
"If you have at least half a brain and are capable of remaining upright,
these'll work pretty darned well..."
HTH,
R
Ken Fortenberry
> "Tom Littleton" wrote:
>> just a matter of luck, IMHO.
>
> No. It's how many falls on rocks and deadfalls you can survive. No
> luck involved.
I think it's more a matter of how many falls you *avoid*. I've got
the same pair of LLBean cheapies I bought 20 years ago and even
though they've shrunk ;-) they're still my backups for a new pair
of LLBean cheapies I bought last year.
I never wear waders in the summer and I perform almost all of my
pratfalls in the summer. When I'm wearing waders in the winter I
hardly ever take a tumble.
> Back in Maine..... for my grandson's wedding. No fishing......<sigh>
I don't know, a good wedding reception is almost as fun as fishing.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Tom Littleton
"Ken Fortenberry" <kennethfo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:h3a7ul$5be$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I've got
> the same pair of LLBean cheapies I bought 20 years ago and even
> though they've shrunk ;-)
happens to you, too?
Tom
riverman
Ken Fortenberry
> "Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
>> I've got
>> the same pair of LLBean cheapies I bought 20 years ago and even
>> though they've shrunk ;-)
>
> happens to you, too?
Yeah, it's the strangest thing. Must be caused by being stored too
close to the dehumidifier in the basement.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Frank Reid
> "If you have at least half a brain and are capable of remaining upright,
> these'll work pretty darned well..."
I can't use these. Sigh...
Frank Reid
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
I have a variety for various purposes, but unless they are a _must_, I wade wet
whenever possible - IMO, it's safer and easier, plus, I don't have to worry
about, er, packing them.... YMMV. I've also used a farmer john wetsuit (Body
Glove or USD, IIRC, and if it matters). The most-used pair is some booted
Hodgman's, but they get most of their use duck- and frog-hunting and other
swamp/bayou related stuff. I think I actually have a pair of Simms, but they
are not "the latest and greatest," nor would I buy such a pair. The ones I have
were a gimme about 6-8-10 years ago (along with some boots and guards, which are
Simms, which is why I think the waders are, too), and I've not worn them more
than a coupla-three-four times (the waders, not the boots and guards). My vest
is bespoke, but again, I rarely use it - IMO, it's just too much unnecessary
crap to haul around - if I can't put it in 3-4 large pockets, I probably don't
need it, and I darned sure don't want to haul it around. IAC, when it comes to
stuff like waders, to me, it's nothing but a purely utilitarian necessity, so I
really don't care about the brand - if it doesn't leak, it's a fine pair of
waders, or, if it does and ShoeGoo, Lifecaulk, etc. will stop it, same thing.
HTH,
R
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Well, it's a given that you are the posterchild for the former, but I had no
idea you were the latter...the new Simms tagline, I mean...as to the above...oh,
yeah, I see what you mean....but hey, since you're gonna go down anyway, you
might as well economize...it'll help with the deductible, anyhoo...
TC,
R
riverman
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT), riverman <myronb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 7, 8:40 am, rdean3REM...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >> On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:31:18 -0700 (PDT), riverman <myronb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >I figure the best way to store goretex waders is to hang them, but
> >> >what about packing them for travel? Do folks roll them up (if so, do
> >> >you do from the feet, or from the waist), or do you fold them, stuff
> >> >them in a pack, or just lay them haphazard in your travel bag?
>
> >> >I know that tents, for example, want to be stuffed to avoid putting
> >> >consistent folds in the same place, potentially causing a leak. But
> >> >what do folks do with waders?
>
> >> >--riverman
>
> >> Geez, if you had a pair of Louiesque Simms G47 1/2 Superdupersportastic waders,
> >> you could just hit the button above the one labeled "Better Caster," which is
> >> the teleport button...don't let the "Fuck Off" label on it fool you...Simms just
> >> labels it that way for knowledgeable guides...and they'd beam themselves where
> >> you want 'em...just don't let a guide push it, or you'll find yourself
> >> pallbearing at Michael Jackson's funeral or something...
>
> >> HTH,
> >> R
>
> >What waders do you use, rdean?
> >--riverman
>
Irony Meter
I...I...I...I
^
--riverman
Dave LaCourse
You are such a putz, Dickie. I stumble because of health reasons.
Never did until I reached 65 some years ago. Conspicuously-consuming
statusweeie? Lol. Funy. I fish with an old Orvis rod and reel.
Lots of status there. G3s are good. For $400 five years ago, they
can not be beat. In the same length of time prior to the G3s, I went
through two of Orvis' crap and a set of Patagonias. Think I'll buy a
set of G4s just to piss you off. d;o) You are sooooo easy, Dickie.
Davey
Dave LaCourse
<kennethfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dave LaCourse wrote:
>> "Tom Littleton" wrote:
>>> just a matter of luck, IMHO.
>>
>> No. It's how many falls on rocks and deadfalls you can survive. No
>> luck involved.
>
>I think it's more a matter of how many falls you *avoid*. I've got
>the same pair of LLBean cheapies I bought 20 years ago and even
>though they've shrunk ;-) they're still my backups for a new pair
>of LLBean cheapies I bought last year.
Well, hell, if I AVOIDED as many as I have taken, I would have gone
through the G3s by now. Contrary to what Dickie thinks, I didn't buy
the G3s as a status symbol (Hell, I didn't even *know* they were a
status symbol. His, I imagine, are tailor made.) I have neuropathy
in my feet and legs - I fall whether I am wearing waders or not. Fell
this mornig walking the dog. Thankfully it was on the lawn of the
motel. I did not realize how sturdy the G3s were until I wore them
one season without repairs. *Five* seasons without repair *should* be
impossible, but isn't. I guess neuropathy in the legs, along with its
associated pain, is far better than Dickie's neuropathic head.
>
>I never wear waders in the summer and I perform almost all of my
>pratfalls in the summer. When I'm wearing waders in the winter I
>hardly ever take a tumble.
Yeah, but you fish warm water. Believe me, if you do not wear waders
and the water is 62 degrees (the Rapid on Monday morning), the old
bones start to ache. Try the Bighorn with the air temp at 106 and the
water temp 53. I waded without waders and lasted ten minutes and was
not brave eough to get the family jewels wet. Try the Antikanak in
July with an air temp in the low fifties, matching the water temp, and
you'll wear waders just to keep warm when you are NOT wading. The
same in Alaska, Russia, and Patagonia. If I fished water warmer than
70 degrees, I too would not wear waders. Believe me, for me to own a
set of waders that do not leak after five years and almost 500 days in
them, is a miracle. If only my legs and hips were as sturdy!
>
>> Back in Maine..... for my grandson's wedding. No fishing......<sigh>
>
>I don't know, a good wedding reception is almost as fun as fishing.
Great wedding. Some fun dancing and I didn't fall. Grand kids are
wonderful inventions.
Dave LaCourse
His "fashion" pair are made in Milano (err, that's Milan, Italy for
all of you plebeians, me included) by dwarfs, and his *sporting* pair
are made in London by fairies (yes, *that* kind of fairy), and come
with a zipper fly copied from Simms G4s. I understand they have knee
pads for some strange reason.
d;o)
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Um, "irony meter?" How so - would you duck hunt in, say, neoprene FFing-type
waders? Or would you FF in duck-hunting waders? Having the proper "tool" for
the job, and needing several different tools, say, hammers, for several
different purposes, is completely different than having a gold-plated Gucci
hammer with a rhinestone grip. Of the ones I've bought, I've not spent over
about 100USD, nor would I. I've been given a coupla-three pairs over the years
and I have no idea what they were new, retail, but if they were $300-400.00,
whoever bought them at retail got screwed.
HTH,
R
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Well, maybe, but I'm not the one who has spent about 100 posts of 50 lines
trying to rationalize his $400.00 rubber pants...
HTH,
R
...lessee - 100 posts X 50 lines...why, shit, it's almost like they're FREE!!!!
>
>Davey
riverman
Heavens, no. So why the handmade vest? Are the off-the-rack ones so
completely unsuitable?
--riverman
Dave LaCourse
>Well, maybe, but I'm not the one who has spent about 100 posts of 50 lines
>trying to rationalize his $400.00 rubber pants...
Yeah! Ain't happiness great?
Putz!
Davey
Dave LaCourse
<myro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit
>analyses were for naught. :-)
Great! You will enjoy the G3s, especially the fit of the bootie. Try
to avoid the green gasses, however.
Maine is finally in sunshine after almost 4 weeks of rain in June.
The wedding was outside and the day was perfect.
Dave
riverman
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT), riverman
>
> >BTW, got the G3s. It was a screaming deal, so all my cost-benefit
> >analyses were for naught. :-)
>
> Great! You will enjoy the G3s, especially the fit of the bootie. Try
> to avoid the green gasses, however.
>
> Maine is finally in sunshine after almost 4 weeks of rain in June.
> The wedding was outside and the day was perfect.
>
> Dave
I've heard that the sun finally came out. I'll be back stateside on
Monday night; headed up to the American Museum of FF in Vermont for
Tuesday morning, then coming across to Maine by Tuesday night. I'll
pretty much have that week, Tuesday until Tuesday, to get free for
some fishing. Are you free during that time?
I already like the G3s...the booties themselves are a tad big, but I
really like how the legs fit like pants, so I get a lot less tired
hiking over rocks and trees, and man, are they durable! They already
survived getting stabbed by a razor-sharp sheath knife, poked by
umpteen trees and gouged by tons of sharp rocks. I also have stopped
wearing my fishing vest in some cases, as the extra pockets and zinger
come in incredibly useful. Also, the high top pretty much saved my
life when I went through the muskeg last week...my Orvis waders are
about 3 inches lower, and they would have filled with water while I
was hanging by my armpits.
--riverman
jeff
> can not be beat. In the same length of time prior to the G3s, I went
> through two of Orvis' crap and a set of Patagonias.
>
>
>
ok...i bought my simms in 99 or 2000...9 years later, still going
strong, though they have some odd stains...i paid about $360 when i
bought them from appalachian angler fly shop located on hwy 105 between
boone and foscoe...hayden and theo copeland recommended the simms based
on their use and abuse of them fishing and guiding in carolina/tennessee
and alaska. don't know about alaska, but i think nc use and abuse is
the real measure of a wader...wading out west, in pa, and in maine isn't
comparable in my opinion and experience. rock/boulder hopping and
climbing, rhodo-smigoling, snake-slithering among rocks and rocky banks,
and the ass-whip hikes and falls in carolina freestone streams has
convinced me simms can't be beat for quality and durability. i've even
worn them in saltwater during the winter. for waders, they are
comfortable too. i'm sure the newer models are probably even more
comfortable. like others, i mainly wet wade during warm weather now
...but the simms always go along to fishing destinations and are still
used from time to time. there are probably other waders as good now,
certainly many cheaper...but on a cost to use/durability/comfort
analysis, i agree with dave and will stick with simms as long as i can
afford them. don't care what anyone else chooses, and don't think less
of them because (or even think about) the name of their wader. my friend
jim used to wade in things that looked like plastic garbage bags.
worked for him, not what i'd choose, and didn't affect his fishing as
best i could tell.
odd how some react to the simms brand though. i get the cost issue.
...but, during the rock creek gathering some years back, i got a simms
hat in the clave raffle, and wore it when warren and i went fishing the
next day on upper rock creek, and then on the travel back to
camp...which included a couple of bars. while in phillipsburg (?) - the
place with a two-lane bowling alley on the second floor, some guy at
the bar - a tourist like me - made a stupid and unsolicited comment
about the hat related to the name, and said he hoped i didn't fish in
their waders too. i think he was an allen bailey guy. my rejoinder, and
the exchange following it, wasn't pleasant... though he could easily
have whipped me had he chosen that approach, and though i probably
deserved a good whack in the mouth, i reckon i had that crazed, rabid
look after a full day of fishing, a snoot full of alkyhaul, and just
enough stream dirt n slime still on me, that made him decide it wasn't
worth the effort.
likewise, while i enjoy knowing other's experiences with products, and
value the opinions and recommendations of some, i figure i'm like most -
i'll look around and make my own mistakes, ultimately finding what suits
me best.
jeff
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
>Heavens, no. So why the handmade vest? Are the off-the-rack ones so
>completely unsuitable?
Absolutely...they don't show off the green in my eyes...
HTH,
R
>
>--riverman
Dave LaCourse
<myro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I already like the G3s...
You status seeker, you.
Lakewood is closed this week. Opens again next Saturday.
Unfortunately, I can not make it. I have several commitmets in the
next few weeks. I've been fishing too long and need to catch up on
some chores/responsibilities. <sigh>
Dave
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>ok...i bought my simms in 99 or 2000...9 years later, still going
>strong, though they have some odd stains...i paid about $360
Egads! Yet another status seeker! Will they ever stop?
d;o)
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
Look, in all seriousness, Simms makes a good product. And they are a for-profit
company, so they need to make money. But I've been around sporting gear of all
sorts literally my entire life and I know the difference between things that are
priced on the materials versus things priced for the marketing campaign
(including company owners who want to get rich selling their product) and no, I
don't fault them for that - if they can do it while selling a quality product,
esp. one that folks are satisfied with, more power to all concerned. OTOH, when
folks who buy those "status" products act as if they _need_ that product, I am
amused _at the claimant_ ...you know, sorta like folks who fuss about the
occasional octane dip of the gasoline in their pseudosportscar yuppiemobiles or
something....
TC,
R
riverman
Ahh, the old 'mindless consumerism/ elitism' argument raises its
head. ;-)
You got no debate with me...anyone who buys Simms products (or ANY
product) based purely on the label has a special place in hell
reserved for them. And I think many companies must market an over-the-
top product that is overpriced and overhyped just to catch those
folks. The G3s, IMNSHO, are not that product: based on my own
extremely limited experience, as well as the much more lengthy
experience of several folks I know and respect, on roff and elsewhere,
they really are a superior wader. If I get more than two seasons out
of them, they will have outperformed every other pair of waders I have
dragged through the brambles, slid down rocks in, fallen on tree
branches and snagged hooks on.
--riverman
DaveS
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK here is what I do not get: How the hell do you guys get so many
holes in your waders? Where i fish, almost exclucively in the NW USA,
we have lots of nasty blackberrys, trees with 2 inch spikes you could
gently hammer into pine, otter slippery riverside paths, always wet,
rock galore, mice that get into everything, thousands of kinds of mold
and shroomes to infest and weaken all but high assay copper etc etc
etc, And my repair kits go dry before I can use them. And I do not
have the best of balance, but lord o-mighty, I just do not have the
problems that I hear here. Could be you folks fish 200-300 days a
year, or buy em too tight or something but I just do not get it. Do
you guys sleep in them or cook it them?
Dave
Bought my son some Simms 7-8 years ago. He is a big guy, but light in
the brush, a few pin holes. thats it. They are good. Too costly but
good.
riverman
I don't tend to get holes. My first pair of waders got stolen from the
back of a rental car in South Africa midway through their second
season, my second pair (Orvis Clearwaters) developed some serious
leaks in the booties...pretty much along every bootie seam...during
their second season, and I just got some new Simms. But what I like
about the durability of the Simms is that I don't have to be so
paranoid about what I do in them, and they can serve as more than just
waterproof pants; with the Orvis waders, Roger and I bushwacked 100
feet through a blackberry bramble patch in New Zealand (no
trail...just pushing through), and I had to put my waders in my pack
and wear heavy jeans. Roger just wore his G3s, so while I was saddled
with a backpack for the entire day as we worked our way along the
river, he didn't have to carry anything, which was helpful as we made
tricky river crossings and ended up egressing from considerably
further upstream from where we started.
Similarly, in Sweden last week, if I had been wearing my Orvis waders,
I would have felt it necessary to take them off when we got back to
camp to protect them from wear and tear from the firepit, rock-chairs,
sharp branches, etc around camp. But with the Simms, we just wore them
all day without worry.
--riverman