Marryat reels-help
Jack/Barbara Kowalski
them with others, such as the Ross Gunnison?
Thanks,
J Kowalski
Wayne Harrison
Jack/Barbara Kowalski wrote in message <36a76...@news.greatbasin.net>...
mr. kowalski, i can assure you that you have come to the right place
(ominous rumble heard from the direction of the snake river); your query
should be answered almost any time now...
wayno
>
>
Pac1for
balance out a rod, and some folks resort ot weighting them with solder wire
around the inner spool. They are not strong. If you buy one, do not drop it,
or it will look like an LP record left in the sun.
Pete C
Frogspritz
>(ominous rumble heard from the direction of the snake river); your query
>should be answered almost any time now...
>
>wayno
I dunno, Wayne, its been 3-4 hours at least now and no post. Could this be
related to the grand announcement that we await with, as they say here in
Pennsylvania, *baited* breath?
Jack/Barbara, sorry, I know nothing about Marryat reels. I do have a Ross
Gunnison, however, and it has been perfectly satisfactory, particularly on the
small trout I usually catch. It's also tangled with some nice Montana 'bows,
and held its own - except for the time it dropped off my rod, into the river,
and rapidly moved downstream. After a diving retrieve (of the reel), anyone
would have enjoyed the sight of me dripping in the middle of the river, rod in
one hand, reel in the other, fish still on. So, I can attest to the Gunnison's
ability to handle fish whether or not you bother to attach it to a rod. Might
be a cheaper alternative, now that I think about it.
Mark Faulkner
Mr. G
Wayne Harrison wrote:
> Jack/Barbara Kowalski wrote in message <36a76...@news.greatbasin.net>...
> >Has anyone had any experience with the the Marryat reels and can you
> compare
> >them with others, such as the Ross Gunnison?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >J Kowalski
________ What is it you would like to know Mr. Kowalski? I can answer anything
you need to know about this species of reel. Trust me.
George!
________
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Mr. G
Pac1for wrote:
___________ Do you mean to tell me the Japanese version of my Reel Design is
still being made out of recycled beer can aluminum?
christ.
Mr. G
Frogspritz wrote:
________ Mark? I have had my mind changed since Marryat saw fit to flush about
2,000 reel sales a year down the toilet. Some things have been brought to my
attention regarding foreign reels and frankly, overall, (especially and including
Orvis Reels) have the hearts of chickens.
The old Chinese saying, "Out of every bad comes a greater good," I find once again
to be true.
Whatever fly f fishermen should do, is "Buy American." You will never go wrong
with this theme.
If American's don't take care of Americans . . . who will?
LOOK FOR AN VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!
Moral of all of this?
Don't piss Gehrke off!
George
Walt Winter
Mr. G wrote:
Don't piss Gehrke off!
George
so georgie, whadda we do, piss on you? btw, to serve as a gentle reminder....
bring a whole lotta money to the links!
--Wataugan "full bladder" Walt
Mr. G
____ Walt baby. I'm bringing a wheel burrow to haul it out of N.Carolina with! I am the most fantastic athlete of the century, and you and Wayne 'think!' you're dealing with a peon? A no body? An athletic nerd? Surely, you jest/
m&m
Mr. G wrote in message <36A7C192...@gink.com>...
>________ Mark? I have had my mind changed since Marryat saw fit to flush
about
>2,000 reel sales a year down the toilet. Some things have been brought to
my
>attention regarding foreign reels and frankly, overall, (especially and
including
>Orvis Reels) have the hearts of chickens.
>
>The old Chinese saying, "Out of every bad comes a greater good," I find
once again
>to be true.
>
>Whatever fly f fishermen should do, is "Buy American." You will never go
wrong
>with this theme.
>
I recently acquired one of the fin-nor reels from cabellas on clearance for
$150. Seems very sturdy and to the best of my knowledge made in the ole
USA.
>If American's don't take care of Americans . . . who will?
>
>LOOK FOR AN VERY SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT!
>
>Moral of all of this?
>
>Don't piss Gehrke off!
>
>George
>
>
Wayne Harrison
>
>________ What is it you would like to know Mr. Kowalski? I can answer anything
>you need to know about this species of reel. Trust me.
>
>George!
>________
>
mr. kowalski: i told you so!
wayno
Frogspritz
>$150. Seems very sturdy and to the best of my knowledge made in the ole
>USA.
I remember Cabela's having those featured in the catalog last year. I wonder
if they dropped them this year, which would be the reason for the clearance. I
missed that one.
Mark Faulkner
daytripper
>____ Walt baby. I'm bringing a wheel burrow to haul it out of
>N.Carolina with! I am the most fantastic athlete of the century, and
>you and Wayne 'think!' you're dealing with a peon? A no body? An
>athletic nerd? Surely, you jest/
Anyone else remember the picture of George that was posted hereabouts last
year? The general consensus was that George bore a striking resemblance to
Kermit the Frog.
"Athlete of the Century", George? I think we know who the real Jester is ;^)
/daytripper (hoping someone will bring a camera at the 'clave)
Mr. G
daytripper wrote:
________ Wayne? Walt? Don't you guys dare touch daytripper. This treasure is
mine. All mine!
ah? per chance I should dare to ask? What 'game' are you good at tripper??
*twitch*
George
God, I love this place!
Frank Church
>
> Has anyone had any experience with the the Marryat reels and can you compare
> them with others, such as the Ross Gunnison?
>
> Thanks,
> J Kowalski
Hi Jack,
Regardless of what Mr G will probably say, I have owned and used
a Marryat 8.5 for well over 10 yrs now. I've had other reels as well,
but when it comes down to using them, the Marryat is hands down the
best. This sucker is smoother than a spanked babie's butt, what with the
roller bearings and all. And, a bonus, it's SILENT! I would have more
but they are too damned expensive.
Frank (sneakin' up on 'em) Church
Mu Young Lee
> Marryat and ross reels are both too light for my liking. They often fail to
> balance out a rod, and some folks resort ot weighting them with solder wire
> around the inner spool. They are not strong. If you buy one, do not drop it,
> or it will look like an LP record left in the sun.
>
> Pete C
>
What weight rod have you used these reels? In the smaller sizes (5 weight
and under) most manufacturer's reels appear to be comparable in mass.
Also, the issue of balance seems to matter less when I am using a motion
that emphasizes more arm movement and less wrist.
Mu Young Lee Ann Arbor, MI
Rog
You should have a look at the new Marryat CMR REELS that just was put on the
market:
“SWISS MADE”, rigid and accurate
World-famous Marryat “disk-brake”
Easy to change from right to left-hand wind, just by turning over the
cassette
Bar-stock, aircraft aluminum
Beautiful finish
But its price be the best feature of all…
For more information: http://www.marryat.com
Roger Ritter (Marryat R&D department)
m&m
lighter weight.
mikeh
Pac1for
The reel i spoke of was for an 8 weight. I am rather picky about wanting the
reel to balance the rod - but that is my own personal preference. I just feel
that lightness is way overrated in fly gear - I'll take strength over lightness
any day. I have 2 Lamson reels, and they have been dashed against the rocks
several times apiece. They can take it.
Pete C
Ferenc Horvath
I have a Marryat MR 7.5 and I'm very happy with it. What confuses me, however,
is that a comparable CMR costs about $50 less and it even comes with a life time
warranty. The MR line continues to sell with no life time warranty and is more
expensive. What is the difference between the two reels and why is the new one
less expensive than the old? Is any part of the reel we buy in America made in
Switzerland? Your ads say "Manufactured with Swiss-watch precision." Maybe
I'm not reading your advertisements correctly, but that's not saying "precision
manufactured in Switzerland.
Rog wrote:
"
Thanks much.
Ferenc
Mr. G
Ferenc Horvath wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I have a Marryat MR 7.5 and I'm very happy with it. What confuses me, however,
> is that a comparable CMR costs about $50 less and it even comes with a life time
> warranty. The MR line continues to sell with no life time warranty and is more
> expensive. What is the difference between the two reels and why is the new one
> less expensive than the old? Is any part of the reel we buy in America made in
> Switzerland? Your ads say "Manufactured with Swiss-watch precision." Maybe
> I'm not reading your advertisements correctly, but that's not saying "precision
> manufactured in Switzerland.
_________ I cannot answer for Marryat anymore, but the people that own it are some
of the finest I've known in my life. In Switzerland, it is Chris Ritter and in
Tokyo, it is Kuni Kojima. Both are friends of mine. Their agent in the United
States imports the reels and distributes them for Chris and Kuni.
The Marryat is indeed a very smooth and beautiful reel. It is built on the light
side for my taste not because of the amount of material that is in it but because
American metallurgy happens to be better. The reel, for the money is a superior buy
because it is NOT A CAST REEL like the English reels are Roger.
The term "manufactured with Swiss watch precision," comes from the fact that I went
to Japan and held some intense meetings regarding tolerances and quality control.
If Americans were to buy a reel made in Japan, it had better be perfect in
tolerances (which I tightened up because I took my drawings there for review) The
term, as asked here about 'Swiss Precision' comes from the fact that Chris Ritter
lives in Zurich Switzerland. I had mentioned to Chris on the golf course in Salida
Colorado that "Gehrke's Marryat Single Action Fly Fishing Reels" had to have Swiss
Watch Precision if it was going to make it. It was a natural transition for the
marketing skills of both Kuni and Chris to pick up on that - sooner or later. The
fact of the matter is, The Marryat is one of the best machined reels in the world.
It is even machined better then the (God, watch this wording, will you everyone?)
PREVIOUS Grand Americans made North of Denver Colorado 15 years ago. That will not
be the case in the near future Roger.
I do not know anything about 'Lifetime Guarantees' regarding the Marryat any
longer. Again, I cannot speak for the company. In America, when I started
marketing the marryat, I had a lifetime guarantee on them against defects in
material and/or workmanship. Frankly speaking, the Marryat is flawless but it will
bend easily if you fall with it. This, is its only short coming. As a single
action, it is a perfect a reel design that you could hope to have in the light
weight division of single actions. They are beautiful, they have a finish second to
none, and they are serviceable.
The new reels by Marryat, I know nothing about. What you must bear in mind Roger is
in Japan, labor costs are intensive. Everything must be done right the first time.
The rejection rate on the assembly line for Marryat Reels is practically ZERO. The
same insignia of that nations W.W.II fighter aircraft.
Kuni Kojima is a very proud, sincere, absolutely honest to a fault man, the same as
is Chris Ritter. You could not have a better team backing you up in all respects.
I can only say this to you. If I was still involved with the Marryat Reel - no one
in the United States would have sold more of them then I. The Marryat 'marketing
concepts and practices,' need serious review - but that is none of my business now.
They know definitely HOW to build reels but they do not know how to market them, in
my humble opinion.
The $50 difference, I cannot explain. For the money Roger, you have a lot of nice
reel. Don't worry about the price difference. Its not worth the fuss. Stick with
what you have. You bought a wonderful product. It will serve you well.
_______ snipped to save space :
> > > Regardless of what Mr G will probably say, I have owned and used
> > >a Marryat 8.5 for well over 10 yrs now. I've had other reels as well,
> > >but when it comes down to using them, the Marryat is hands down the
> > >best. This sucker is smoother than a spanked babie's butt, what with the
> > >roller bearings and all. And, a bonus, it's SILENT! I would have more
> > >but they are too damned expensive.
> > >
> > >Frank (sneakin' up on 'em) Church
______ Frank, you now know what I have to say just above this post. I am very
pleased that you're enjoying the benefits of some great minds that have gone into
the Marryat over the years. You describe the merits of the 8.5 that you own
perfectly.
What the Marryat is to Japan and the fly fishing fraternity is of superior quality
to any pewter cast reels made in England and/or for Orvis who imports them from
there. What is the difference between Japanese workmanship and English
workmanship? The English will take shortcuts and hide them under paint. The
Japanese who are making The Marryat, don't take any short cuts. The make these
reels out aluminum, but not out of solid bar stock. It is solid, pieces of
aluminum, but it is built in stages, but highly precise. No one can fault a Marryat
for Precision.
What do the two different reels have in common between the English and Japanese
Reels? They both are not made with the toughest of metals or metallurgy. The
Marryat may be prone to bending easy but if you do, you can get it working again if
you fall with one. The pot-metal-pewter cast reels often bust into two pieces or
more and that is the end of that on an expensive fishing trip of a life time. The
Marryat definitely has a serious advantage over cast type reels. I can't say
anymore or less in this area.
I have a great amount of experience fishing the Marryat in Alaska and I've set
several world records with them. However; I've set more on the Grand American that
we are soon to be available once again. The GRAND AMERICAN is everything the
Marryat is not. Both will serve the American fly fishing public for many years to
come.
Given a choice and at a competitive price, I personally would prefer to buy
American, when I can. I'm sure there are many other patriots that think the same.
But this is a world market now. Competition and the WWWeb is going to have an
impact on all of us. The Marryat is a reel invented by a fly fisherman for fly
fishermen. Although Chris Ritter and Kuni Kojima are not fly fishermen, I was and
am still - exactly that.
I have absolutely nothing to do with the very fine reel, The Marryat any longer. It
was researched and developed long before it was released. It started off perfect,
it has ended up perfect and has been a leader in the world of fly fishing, even
after the three of us parted our ways Frank.
>
> > > Regardless of what Mr G will probably say, I have owned and used
> > >a Marryat 8.5 for well over 10 yrs now. I've had other reels as well,
> > >but when it comes down to using them, the Marryat is hands down the
> > >best. This sucker is smoother than a spanked babie's butt, what with the
> > >roller bearings and all. And, a bonus, it's SILENT! I would have more
> > >but they are too damned expensive.
> > >
> > >Frank (sneakin' up on 'em) Church
_______ I have been at the drafting table all day working on MY Grand American
Single Action Frank. If I can do it, the cost of an American Made Single Action out
of 100% SOLID (American Made) BAR STOCK will be as low as humanly possible in
America. The surprise is that I am abandoning 6061 - T6 Aluminum because it is
inferior to what a Grand American will be asked to do. The target price is down
from $500 to ONLY $250 (or less). It will have a lifetime guarantee against defects
in material and/or workmanship. It will come serialized and they will come to you
with your name engraved on them if you wish.
America's most serious Single Action Fly Fishing man is on your side. If you will
be a little patient with me, I think I will be able to show America and this world
what a Single Action should be like, inside and out. I'm not only putting my money
where my mouth is . . . I will not stop speaking the truth at any costs. It isn't a
question ever, if my customers are right or wrong - in my entire business life and
involvement in fly fishing.
My customers are infallible Frank.
That includes you.
Mr. G.
'the reel man'
"Orders of Intent" welcomed ana appreciated.
Rog
Here are the reasons for the $50 difference:
The design of the classic MR Marryat reel is more complicated, i.g. there
are many more holes in the spool. The reason why the new CMR has less holes
in the spool, is because of rigidity. In case you fall with it, it is not
easily bent. It is also cheaper to produce with fewer holes.
The mechanism has been considerably simplified and therefor less expensive
to manufacture. However the parts we make are very accurate, so that they
become interchangeable. There is no need to make any costly assembly
adjustments.
Lifetime warranty:
Since only the cassette needs to be replaced in case of malfunction, we are
able to offer a lifetime guarantee. Simply pull the cassette out of the cage
(without the need of any tools) and exchange it with a new one. This can be
done by the fisherman himself and therefor your local reel dealer does not
need to bother with repairs.
“Swiss Made”:
I can assure you, that the Marryat CMR is 100% made in Switzerland.
For more information: http://www.marryat.com
Roger Ritter (Marryat R&D department)
Ferenc Horvath wrote:
>Roger,
>
>I have a Marryat MR 7.5 and I'm very happy with it. What confuses me,
however,
>is that a comparable CMR costs about $50 less and it even comes with a life
time
>warranty. The MR line continues to sell with no life time warranty and is
more
>expensive. What is the difference between the two reels and why is the new
one
>less expensive than the old? Is any part of the reel we buy in America
made in
>Switzerland? Your ads say "Manufactured with Swiss-watch precision."
Maybe
>I'm not reading your advertisements correctly, but that's not saying
"precision
>manufactured in Switzerland.
>
>Rog wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank, Jack/Barbara Kowalski
>>
>> You should have a look at the new Marryat CMR REELS that just was put on
the
>> market:
>>
>> “SWISS MADE”, rigid and accurate
>> World-famous Marryat “disk-brake”
>> Easy to change from right to left-hand wind, just by turning over the
>> cassette
>> Bar-stock, aircraft aluminum
>> Beautiful finish
>> But its price be the best feature of all…
>>
>> For more information: http://www.marryat.com
>>
>> Roger Ritter (Marryat R&D department)
>>
>> Frank Church wrote:
>> >Jack/Barbara Kowalski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone had any experience with the the Marryat reels and can you
>> compare
>> >> them with others, such as the Ross Gunnison?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> J Kowalski
>> >
>> > Hi Jack,
>> >
>> > Regardless of what Mr G will probably say, I have owned and used
>> >a Marryat 8.5 for well over 10 yrs now. I've had other reels as well,
>> >but when it comes down to using them, the Marryat is hands down the
>> >best. This sucker is smoother than a spanked babie's butt, what with the
>> >roller bearings and all. And, a bonus, it's SILENT! I would have more
>> >but they are too damned expensive.
>> >
>> >Frank (sneakin' up on 'em) Church
>
>"
>
>Thanks much.
>Ferenc
>
>Rog wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank, Jack/Barbara Kowalski
>>
>> You should have a look at the new Marryat CMR REELS that just was put on
the
>> market:
>>
>> “SWISS MADE”, rigid and accurate
>> World-famous Marryat “disk-brake”
>> Easy to change from right to left-hand wind, just by turning over the
>> cassette
>> Bar-stock, aircraft aluminum
>> Beautiful finish
>> But its price be the best feature of all…
>>
>> For more information: http://www.marryat.com
>>
>> Roger Ritter (Marryat R&D department)
>>
>> Frank Church wrote:
>> >Jack/Barbara Kowalski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone had any experience with the the Marryat reels and can you
>> compare
>> >> them with others, such as the Ross Gunnison?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> J Kowalski
>> >
>> > Hi Jack,
>> >
Rog
Frogspritz
>
>Here are the reasons for the $50 difference
>Roger Ritter (Marryat R&D department)
>
To my recollection, this is the first time that a manufacturer's representative
has been involved in a ROFF discussion (not counting Famous Grouse - I meant
flysfishing stuff). Lots of retailers, over time, of course, but not the
manufacturer directly. Will take any corrections to that observation with open
and friendly attitude.
Anyhow, thanks Roger for contributing.
Mark Faulkner
daytripper
>>Ferenc,
>>
>>Here are the reasons for the $50 difference
>(snip)
>>Roger Ritter (Marryat R&D department)
>To my recollection, this is the first time that a manufacturer's representative
>has been involved in a ROFF discussion (not counting Famous Grouse - I meant
>flysfishing stuff). Lots of retailers, over time, of course, but not the
>manufacturer directly. Will take any corrections to that observation with open
>and friendly attitude.
Woe unto you. You left out the Old Bastard himself...
/daytripper
Bill Kiene
<ba...@kowalski.minden.nv.us> wrote:
>Has anyone had any experience with the the Marryat reels and can you compare
>them with others, such as the Ross Gunnison?
>
>Thanks,
>J Kowalski
>
>
Hi All,
We sold them a while back. I think they had a good drag and were light weight.
They did bend pretty easy. They came in bronze, black and gold. I hate it when
they do that. They came in many sizes too. (7.0, 7.5, 8.0, 8.5 & 9.0?) I think
they got over $200 a while ago and feel out of grace.
Bill Kiene (capitalist pig)
Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento,CA,USA
bki...@ns.net
1-800-4000FLY (toll free in US)
www.kiene.com
Frogspritz
>
>/daytripper
How right you are daytripper - maybe he'll forget by the time the clave comes
around.
Mark Faulkner
A.P.Dryden
frogs...@aol.com (Frogspritz) wrote:
>
>
> To my recollection, this is the first time that a manufacturer's
representative
> has been involved in a ROFF discussion (not counting Famous Grouse - I meant
> flysfishing stuff). Lots of retailers, over time, of course, but not the
> manufacturer directly. Will take any corrections to that observation
with open
> and friendly attitude.
>
>
> Mark Faulkner
I seem to recall endless spamming by a George someone-or-other.
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