And you say Bush is dumb.....
Dave LaCourse
JR
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related
I watched that clip, and.... yes, Bush is dumb.
;)
- JR
Dave LaCourse
>I watched that clip, and.... yes, Bush is dumb.
Same grade point average as Kerry, but I bet both of them know how
many states there are. Duuuh!
JR
So, well *below* Barack's GPA.
You mean to honestly tell me that you don't recognize a simple
slip of the tongue when you hear one.....?
.... "something-7, uh, and one more to go, not counting Alaska
and Hawaii....." You mean to tell me it's not obvious he meant
47 and made a slip.... kinda the way you would if you'd visited
47 states in 15 months, many of them multiple times....???
C'mon. There are a lot of honest differences to discuss and even
argue and disagree about, but this picky little shit is a waste
of everyone's time....
- JR
asadi
john
"Dave LaCourse" <dplac...@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
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> http://youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related
>
>
>
Dave LaCourse
>C'mon. There are a lot of honest differences to discuss and even
>argue and disagree about, but this picky little shit is a waste
>of everyone's time....
But it's fun, John.
Tom Littleton
> But it's fun, John.
>
>
There, I'll disagree with you, old pirate. What is going on in the nation
and within our role in the world is too important to trivialize as some
would do. Focusing on little video snippets and trying to portray an
intelligent person as dumb isn't "fun", it's trivializing an opportunity for
a legitimate national debate on some issues. Not that the actual candidates
won't manage to drop the gravitas levels a few notches before the process is
over, but still, I suspect those who would have the race reduced to guilt by
association, cherry-picked video clips, or misrepresented sound bits don't
really have the nation's best interests at heart.......
Tom
rdean3...@flash.net
>Dave LaCourse wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 20:02:41 -0400, JR <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I watched that clip, and.... yes, Bush is dumb.
>>
>> Same grade point average as Kerry, but I bet both of them know how
>> many states there are. Duuuh!
>
>So, well *below* Barack's GPA.
>
>You mean to honestly tell me that you don't recognize a simple
>slip of the tongue when you hear one.....?
>
>.... "something-7, uh, and one more to go, not counting Alaska
>and Hawaii....." You mean to tell me it's not obvious he meant
>47 and made a slip.... kinda the way you would if you'd visited
>47 states in 15 months, many of them multiple times....???
I can't speak for Dave, but if a campaign that he chose to mount causes
him to do all this "slipping," I'd offer that the pressures of the
Presidency is gonna do a real number on him, "slip"-wise...IAC, 47 isn't
right as to primaries/caucuses anyway, although his "state" math would
have made sense at "47."
>
>C'mon. There are a lot of honest differences to discuss and even
>argue and disagree about, but this picky little shit is a waste
>of everyone's time....
How come it is that when anyone else makes an obvious slip, misspeaks,
or simply drops a clanger, it's important, but when Obama does it, even
mentioning it is "picky little shit" or "politics as usual" or one of
its variants? I gotta tell ya, this is one of the things that's gonna
come back to haunt him - his and his supporters' utter hypocrisy with
stuff like this.
TC,
R
>
>- JR
>
>
rdean3...@flash.net
wrote:
Um, how about Obama's defense of the "100 years in Iraq" commercials?
Even rational Dems were calling it a gross inaccurate characterization
of both the full quote and the intent, which is exactly what it was.
Thus far, I'd have to give the "high road" nod to McCain (personally -
the same cannot be said of several local GOP campaign ads).
TC,
R
> Tom
>
salmobytes
The dumb person is the one who thinks Obama really does think there are
57 states, just because it came out of his mouth. For smart people, like
Obama, the tongue slips every 100,000 words or so. For Bush, something
vaguely intelligent slips out, every 100,000 words or so.
Yale (where Bush went to school) is famous for being a tough, top-knotch
school that looks the other way for dumb but rich alumni children. Even
Princeton used to do that, not too long ago. Bush fit that Yalie profile
to a T.
But for minority scholarship students, like both Michelle and Barack,
you had to be on top of your game. Smiling and looking the other way was
only offered to children of the Skull and Bones guys.
rdean3...@flash.net
wrote:
Hee-hee-hee...you're obviously a Harvard type...
<SNICKER>,
R
>
>
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>But for minority scholarship students, like both Michelle and Barack,
>you had to be on top of your game. Smiling and looking the other way was
>only offered to children of the Skull and Bones guys.
The same can be said of Kerry. How come HE is ok but Bush isn't.
As far as Obama's wife - I have no doubt she is intelligent.
However, her remark about never being proud of America will and should
come back to haunt her. And that was no slip of the tongue.
Dave
Wolfgang
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Lookit you making references to "the high road."
Wolfgang
the boy is STILL hilarious when he's "serious." :)
Wolfgang
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Lookit you, making references to "hypocrisy."
Wolfgang
the boy just SLAYS me! :)
Wolfgang
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 21:32:44 -0600, salmobytes <roa...@heyney.net>
> wrote:
>
>>But for minority scholarship students, like both Michelle and Barack,
>>you had to be on top of your game. Smiling and looking the other way was
>>only offered to children of the Skull and Bones guys.
>
> The same can be said of Kerry. How come HE is ok but Bush isn't.
KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON!
KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON!
KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON! KLINTON!
> As far as Obama's wife - I have no doubt she is intelligent.
> However, her remark about never being proud of America will and should
> come back to haunt her.
Perceptive and thoughtful statements always do.
> And that was no slip of the tongue.
Precisely.
Wolfgang
salmobytes
> Hee-hee-hee...you're obviously a Harvard type...
No, Harvard does it too. That's how they get those huge endowments.
If you're a third generation Yalie from an old-rich blue blood
Bentley-driving family, your kids not only get into school, they
don't get bounced either.
I went one year to the Princeton Country Day School, which was
a pretentious wannabe clone of an English public school (back then,
anyway). I remember one 8th grade kid who came to school everyday
in a 3 piece suit, carrying a brief case, delivered by chauffeured
Bentley. And the driver wore one of those funny uniforms too.
I remember that particular kid was an introverted hard worker. They had
a huge stone wall, castle-like mansion out on Stoney Brook, with
majestic iron gates and a long, hedge-lined white gravel driveway.
The also had a mile or more of pristine trout habitat at the upper
reaches of Stoney Brook. I poached out there even then. Which made it
all a bit deliciously ironic.
But there were plenty of fuck-off ultra-rich smart-asses there too. It
didn't matter. They were rich and they were going to stay that way no
matter what. And they knew it.
Michelle Obama grew up on on the south side of Chicago.
Emerging from that environment, as she did, was no small achievement.
rdean3...@flash.net
wrote:
>rdean3...@flash.net wrote:
>
>> Hee-hee-hee...you're obviously a Harvard type...
>
>No, Harvard does it too. That's how they get those huge endowments.
>If you're a third generation Yalie from an old-rich blue blood
>Bentley-driving family, your kids not only get into school, they
>don't get bounced either.
And while I'm not the expert on Harvard's entrance policies and
procedures that you are on Yale's, I have some personal knowledge of
both. I'd offer that in the 70s and 80s, Obama, being a minority
legacy, had a large headstart to a Harvard admission. While Obama
likes, even encourages (or at the minimum, doesn't discourage) the whole
humble background bit, ala Bill Clinton (and Hillary, depending...), it
is, overall, as much bullshit as Clinton's bullshit. And as "they don't
get bounced," you have no idea of about what you speak. IAC, by all
accounts, Bush was an average student, no more, no less, and whatever
"help" you believe his family might have been able to provide was never
needed.
>
>I went one year to the Princeton Country Day School, which was
>a pretentious wannabe clone of an English public school (back then,
>anyway). I remember one 8th grade kid who came to school everyday
>in a 3 piece suit, carrying a brief case, delivered by chauffeured
>Bentley. And the driver wore one of those funny uniforms too.
Sounds like a sit-com...
>
>I remember that particular kid was an introverted hard worker. They had
>a huge stone wall, castle-like mansion out on Stoney Brook, with
>majestic iron gates and a long, hedge-lined white gravel driveway.
Ah, well, then, that explains the relevance...
>The also had a mile or more of pristine trout habitat at the upper
>reaches of Stoney Brook. I poached out there even then.
So, let's recap - you were offered a chance to attend a good school and
make friends with a rich hard-working kid who dressed nicely, and
instead, you chose to steal from it and rationalize your failure
there...
>Which made it all a bit deliciously ironic.
Ah, so you're still a thief...
>But there were plenty of fuck-off ultra-rich smart-asses there too. It
>didn't matter. They were rich and they were going to stay that way no
>matter what. And they knew it.
And it appears the reasons behind your attitude are exposed...
>Michelle Obama grew up on on the south side of Chicago.
>Emerging from that environment, as she did, was no small achievement.
More bullshit. Given the number of folks to whom such is attributed,
it's a fairly common type of thing. Heck, didn't John Kerry's campaign
even try to pull off some form of the "worked his way up...outta the
Hamptons" crapola.
IAC, the bottom line is that while schools like Harvard and Yale (and
really, all schools) generally have an admissions policy, even if
unofficial, that favors legacies, they don't pass out degrees for kicks,
and those who are graduated weren't just handed one because they are a
legacy. And if you think they do, that doesn't say much for the school,
and therefore, much about either Obama's degree.
HTH,
R
Wolfgang
salmobytes
...yes, I was a teenage (fishing/poaching) thief.
I used to sneak in to Clark's Pond on the north side of Princeton
too, with black friends from "down town." They had guard
dogs there, so it was a bit dicey. But boy they sure did
have some big bass in that pond. Stealing (fish) from the rich
is our patriotic duty.
Wolfgang
"salmobytes" <roa...@heyney.net> wrote in message
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> rdean3...@flash.net rambled:
>
> Stealing (fish) from the rich is our patriotic duty.
As succinct and clear a demonstration of the fact that the noun "duty" need
not be preceded by the adjective "onerous" as any reasonable person could
ask for.
Wolfgang
who tries hard not to let any opportunity for joy slip by unremarked.
rdean3...@flash.net
wrote:
Ah. In that case, post your address and bank info. I'm sure that
you'll not object to those much less-fortunate than yourself stealing
from you. In fact, why not just give everything you have to those
less-fortunate so as to not make them have to steal. Actually, what are
you doing with anything? It would seem foolish to acquire things that
you realize others are duty-bound to steal from you....
HTH,
R
...I wonder, rhetorically of course, what your reaction and attitude
would be if one of your black friends from downtown was caught in the
act of doing their duty by robbing you blind...and they could show that
you were "richer" than them...
salmobytes
> R
> ...I wonder, rhetorically of course, what your reaction and attitude
> would be if one of your black friends from downtown was caught in the
> act of doing their duty by robbing you blind...and they could show that
> you were "richer" than them...
Actually happened once. Jimmy Greene (now a semi-famous chef in
Trenton) once knocked on the door, at the corner of Prospect and
Harrison. He was dressed in a suit, carrying a Unicef can. He looked at
me, smiled and ran. He knew I knew he stole the can. Got email from
Jimmy a few years ago. He's doing well now. Has a condo on the Delaware
down on the waterfront, in what used to be a blighted industrial area.
Now it's million dollar condos. Another friend Eddie, who I used to
poach with, eventually got a law degree. He never could find work in a
law firm, so he ended up running a collection agency. Which still pisses
him off. But at least he's doing well.
Wolfgang
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Have you ever wondered how life might be different if you understood what
anyone was saying to you? Ever wonder how life might be different if you
understood the previous question?
Ever wonder what makes you pathetic and miserable?
Ever wonder what it might be like to have something to say?
Ever wonder what self respect feels like?
Well, it doesn't matter, does it?
Wolfgang
who, in anticipation of a guaranteed sudden windfall, is making a BIG
shopping list! :)
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>There, I'll disagree with you, old pirate. What is going on in the nation
>and within our role in the world is too important to trivialize as some
>would do. Focusing on little video snippets and trying to portray an
>intelligent person as dumb isn't "fun", it's trivializing an opportunity for
>a legitimate national debate on some issues.
Ah, but it seems for Obama to lie about what McCain said about the 100
years in Iraq. Hell, we've already spent 63 years in Germany and
Japan.
If he can not speak straight, what the hell is he going to do with
that 3 a.m call: "Yeah, we're going to bomb you." <oh shit, he
forgot to say "not">
Everyone laughed at Quale's spelling of "potato", and it was funny.
Obama saying he's been in 57 states is hillarious. Obama hasn't been
in *47* states on his 20 months of running for potus. And, if his
wife has never been proud to be an American, just *why* the hell are
we trying to put her in the White House.
Dave
sned...@msn.com
You know that this is some tiresome bullshit on your part. Four years
ago you were slandering a wheelchaired Medal of Honor winner who you
said jumped on the grenade the wrong way, because he was a Democrat.
Then it was ok to shit on McCain, another war hero, in North Carolina
because I guess that was fun too. Dave, you may have some good
qualities but you are sure one fucked up puppy when it comes to this
crap. I have no idea where or when you learned that this crap was
consistant with being a man but I sincerly regret that it is a part of
who you are.
Dave
Wolfgang
> Obama saying he's been in 57 states is hillarious.
Now, don't you wish you believed that?
> And, if his
> wife has never been proud to be an American, just *why* the hell are
> we trying to put her in the White House.
Because it's about time to give good sense a try?
Wolfgang
no, it will never catch on, but as a one shot deal, what the hell, ainna?
Ken....@gmail.com
salmobytes wrote:
> Michelle Obama grew up on on the south side of Chicago.
> Emerging from that environment, as she did, was no small achievement.
I admire anyone who gets out of the south side....I just question
the intelligence of anyone who goes back. ;-)
- Ken
sned...@msn.com
Being as I live in Western Washington I seldom get to reminisce about
fishing in the Jersey waters of my youth.
Last summer I was back there on death watch and visited some of my old
haunts. Your comments on Stoney Brook reminded me of other nearby
waters. Stoney Brook was the original name for the upper Millstone
River, and winds all over hell and back. It winds thru the Princeton
Battlefield site, well preserved in its 18th century form. I love to
stand on that spot downstream at the edge of the highway in the Rockey
Hill cemetery where Washington conferenced on horseback with his staff
after 3 successive come-from-behind victories against the Brits and
the Germans, and decided to slip North beyond Cornwallis' grasp.
Unless you study Washington's New Jersey campaigns you will not
understand the man's incredible generalship. My family farmed further
downstream on Six Mile Run, a trib, and on the plain at Cranberry and
fought the Brits in the Winter campaign known as the Forage War.
I also remember fishing a narrow little creek that bisected the
Sourland Mountain to the West of Princeton, and North of Hopewell.
Tiny little ,native I believe, Brook Trout in one of the strangest
land forms I know of in the East. Was pleasantly surprised that a big
part is now in some kind of conservancy. Area was always a bit spooky
per the Lindberg kidnapping, but starkly beautiful.
Suggestion: Don't even try to explain how onerous the class and race
system was in NJ in those days. I sometimes wonder myself if some of
the outrageous stuff I saw happen was real. Rich people could get away
with just about anything and the police would help them steal whatever
they could. Between the rich and the Mafia in those days . . . . For
Blacks it was worse and dying in police custody was common. I saw a
White developer divert the drainage into a small Black neighborhood in
North Brunswick, flooding out the homeowners and then buy up their
houses for next to nothing. No one would help them, it happened, it
was real. I saw old Robbi, fresh out of his Winter in the County
Workhouse, die in a ditch we were digging on the very same property.
It was just one of the reasons I went West when I could. Anybody who
says this country hasn't improved in some ways hasn't been around for
very long.
Viva la trespass.
Dave
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night alive as he could be
rdean3...@flash.net
It all sounds like a sequel..."Good Jill Fishing"...so, which one of you
is fucking Matt Damon....?
HTH,
R
Wolfgang
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That's it? That's all you've got left this early in the day?
Wolfgang
who notes that caustic baiting ain't what it used to be.......well, in some
parts of the country, anyway.
Wolfgang
"Wolfgang" <wolf...@mcw.edu> wrote in message
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S'matter, dicklet, cat gotcher snickerer?
Wolfgang
and some of you boys STILL treat this toy like an adult! :)
sned...@msn.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Youmama.
Dave
Dave LaCourse
>You know that this is some tiresome bullshit on your part. Four years
>ago you were slandering a wheelchaired Medal of Honor winner who you
>said jumped on the grenade the wrong way, because he was a Democrat.
Wrong is so many ways, David.
Cleland did not win the Medal of Honor.
I and many others objected to his lying about the Purple Heart. He
was NOT a recipient of the PH. Maybe he should have been with the
terrible injuries he suffered, but he did not suffer those injuries in
battle. The man is a decorated war hero, much more of a hero than
your buddy Kerry, but he lied about his PH. He never received one and
it should not have been on his blog.
I would have objected to his conduct about the PH whether he was a Dem
or a Repub, but I am sure you would not believe that. There is one
thing veterans loathe and that is a wannabe. By listing himself as a
recipient of the PH was false and he should be and was condemned only
for that.
Kerry had his medals but he threw them over the WH fence. He threw
them away saying they weren't worth anything. My question is: Why
are they now displayed in his office and why did he use them in his
pathetic run for potus?
Dave
sned...@msn.com
Yeah you are right, he ONLY won a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. And
you, Ann Coulter and a whole gaggle of creeps like to pretend that his
wounds at Khe Sanh were not battlefield wounds so his lost limbs did
not qualify for the purple heart. Frankly a whole passel of decent
republicans distance themselves from these slanders. The shit heels
like to say stuff like his wounds were self inflicted because he
picked up the grenade and that it wasn't Khe Sanh. I wonder how kids
popped dismantling IEDs would be classified by you and Coulter?
You know damn well that other than McCain this swiftboat crap has been
only run against Democratic politicians, by a group of dirt-bags that
would never have been welcome in the Republican party years ago, and
with McCain as the candidate maybe the Rs will clean out this rats-
nest of America haters.
Dave
Dave LaCourse
>Yeah you are right, he ONLY won a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. And
>you, Ann Coulter and a whole gaggle of creeps like to pretend that his
>wounds at Khe Sanh were not battlefield wounds so his lost limbs did
>not qualify for the purple heart. Frankly a whole passel of decent
>republicans distance themselves from these slanders. The shit heels
>like to say stuff like his wounds were self inflicted because he
>picked up the grenade and that it wasn't Khe Sanh. I wonder how kids
>popped dismantling IEDs would be classified by you and Coulter?
Dave, I just said that the man suffered terrible wounds in Nam and
maybe he should have been awarded the PH. But he *wasn't*, and for
him to say so and stand behind his words and blogs is what everyone
objected to. Show me where I have agreed with anything Coulter has
said about Cleland? It doesn't exist. My one and only objection to
the man is his phony representation of the PH.
OTT, how are you doing with your surgery? Just had another friend,
68, go through the ordeal, but is now ok. He had the same docs as I
used.
Dave
salmobytes
The odd thing about the self-righteous reactionary right is how
passionately they care about tedious symbolic issues that have so little
importance in any rational analysis of what's really important:
gay marriage, intricate nit-picking events parsing about military who
blew up what exactly when, flag burning, patriotism, creationism...etc.
There's a lot going on right now that makes all that stuff seem
more like the brown stuff in my shorts on Sunday morning.
The real core of the R party is corporate might: the unregulated
free-reign ability for business interests to do what ever short-term,
'what's best for me next week' profit things they want. But they (the
real R's) will gladly adopt any backward, reactionary fringe thinking
movement that can bring them a few more votes: when civil rights finally
started to come to the south, the R's welcomed the state's rights
yellow dog segregationist democrats with open arms. They've had control
of the hillbilly south ever since.
The real power brokers in the R party could care less about Jesus vs
science, but they'll run with it if it works. They pay lip service to
the libertarians too. But they don't really want to put a lid on big
budgets. They just want to divert it all to themselves.
We are, by far, the most right-wing industrial player in the world
right now.
notbob
> The odd thing about the self-righteous reactionary right is how
> passionately they care about tedious symbolic issues that have so little
> importance in any rational analysis of what's really important:
> gay marriage, intricate nit-picking events parsing about military who
> blew up what exactly when, flag burning, patriotism, creationism...etc.
Don't forget attacking the Dems, a favorite Repub pastime.
> The real power brokers in the R party could care less about Jesus vs
> science, but they'll run with it if it works. They pay lip service to
> the libertarians too. But they don't really want to put a lid on big
> budgets. They just want to divert it all to themselves.
Yeah, like the Dems are any better. The Dems are just cheaper. They'd sell
their souls for a penny instead of holding out for a nickel.
"The only difference between the Democrats and the Repulicans is: The
Democrats will take you money and give it to those who have not earned it.
The Repulicans will take your money and keep it for themselves." --nb
OBfishing: red herring
nb
Tim J.
<snip>
> Yeah, like the Dems are any better. The Dems are just cheaper.
> They'd sell their souls for a penny instead of holding out for a
> nickel.
Capitalism in action.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj
salmobytes
> "The only difference between the Democrats and the Repulicans is: The
> Democrats will take you money and give it to those who have not earned it.
> The Repulicans will take your money and keep it for themselves." --nb
This is a false argument. Yes, democrats do care about social justice.
They'd like (among other things) to try to end poverty and ignorance
using education, and yes, even to spend a little money to alleviate
real misery. But the *amounts* of money spent on social welfare, over
the years, is a pittance.
During the cold war years the R's used to wine piteously about all the
money we were wasting on "foreign aid." But we hardly spent a nickel
on any real aid. We spent all the money on arms, propping up
anti-communist dictators all over the world. We're still paying a price
for that, in Afganistan, Guatemala and all over Africa.
The real spending, since the Viet Nam war, has always occurred during
R presidencies. But it all went to the military industrial corporations
and the oil companies (run by R's). They're the ones who increase
spending, usually accompanied by simultaneous tax cuts. They don't like
to pay the rent, it seems.
salmobytes
> This is a false argument.
I'm going to give everybody a break and take a powder for another month
or two. I do like to talk about fishing, and there are places--out there
on the net--where that still seems to happen.
There are plenty of ROFFers here who still do that. But also way too
many (like me) who don't. I keep getting sucked into these hopeless
political quagmires. Bait fishing is a much more satisfying bad habit.
Wolfgang
> notbob wrote:
>
>> "The only difference between the Democrats and the Repulicans is: The
>> Democrats will take you money and give it to those who have not earned
>> it.
>> The Repulicans will take your money and keep it for themselves." --nb
>
> This is a false argument. Yes, democrats do care about social justice.
The putative philosophical underpinnings of the Democratic party are
commendable but they have little to do with the reality of party leadership
or power brokerage (which is to say, politics) on a national level.
Whatever may have been the case in bygone eras (and this is still a
contentious matter in history, subject to repeated revision), the fact is
that the sole objective of the major political parties in the U.S. (and
presumably elsewhere) and the major players within those parties is to win
elections and gain and/or retain and consolidate power. It is a perhaps
unfortunate fact that the voting public pretty much universally align
themselves with one or the other of the two major parties and will, for the
foreseeable future, continue to do so despite the fact that neither shows
much indication of living up to the ideals they espouse.
Despite the frothings of a certain damaged individual of our acquaintance,
the underlying cause of all this purblind idiocy is a nearly universal
refusal to adhere to anything resembling an ideology.
> They'd like (among other things) to try to end poverty and ignorance
> using education, and yes, even to spend a little money to alleviate
> real misery. But the *amounts* of money spent on social welfare, over the
> years, is a pittance.
>
> During the cold war years the R's used to wine piteously about all the
> money we were wasting on "foreign aid." But we hardly spent a nickel
> on any real aid. We spent all the money on arms, propping up
> anti-communist dictators all over the world. We're still paying a price
> for that, in Afganistan, Guatemala and all over Africa.
>
> The real spending, since the Viet Nam war, has always occurred during
> R presidencies. But it all went to the military industrial corporations
> and the oil companies (run by R's). They're the ones who increase
> spending, usually accompanied by simultaneous tax cuts. They don't like
> to pay the rent, it seems.
Yeah, all that is true.
Wolfgang
jeff miller
aw hell...i was just gettin to really like you too. <g>
of course, you're right. it's a murky pit around this place, with
little light or pleasant voices most days. still, some things need to
be said and argued...and it's always comforting to hear a new voice
speaking about the issues. enjoy your vacation from the quagmire, but
don't lose your passion or the reason to voice it...even here.
jeff
Tim J.
> salmobytes wrote:
>> salmobytes wrote:
>>
>>> This is a false argument.
>>
>> I'm going to give everybody a break and take a powder for another
>> month or two. I do like to talk about fishing, and there are
>> places--out there on the net--where that still seems to happen.
>>
>> There are plenty of ROFFers here who still do that. But also way too
>> many (like me) who don't. I keep getting sucked into these hopeless
>> political quagmires. Bait fishing is a much more satisfying bad
>> habit.
>
> aw hell...i was just gettin to really like you too. <g>
>
> of course, you're right.
Well, not really, IMHO. How someone can write that much stuff, hit the
<send> button, and then say "Damn - they sucked me in AGAIN!" is puzzling to
me. At what stage of that process does one realize they're being sucked
in?Rather than periodically doing this and then staying away from this
place, wouldn't it just be easier not to reply, and easier still not to even
read the political stuff? It wouldn't be much fun, but easier nonetheless.
jeff miller
you don't think bait fishing is a more satisfying experience than
tilting with some of the human windmills here? you have been sick,
haven't you? <g>
as someone who has easily yielded time and again to my own human
weaknesses...one of which properly but sadly ended my first marriage to
an especially fine lady ...i fully understand and accept the power of
"getting sucked in" despite what might have been the better, wiser,
easier course.
with regard to the issue at hand...at some point you just have to say
what's on your mind. it ain't always about what's easier.
jeff
Joe McIntosh
"jeff miller" <jmill...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message
news:482bb2ad$0$4072$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net...
joe
Tim J.
> Tim J. wrote:
>
>> jeff miller wrote:
>>
>>> salmobytes wrote:
>>>
>>>> salmobytes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is a false argument.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to give everybody a break and take a powder for another
>>>> month or two. I do like to talk about fishing, and there are
>>>> places--out there on the net--where that still seems to happen.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of ROFFers here who still do that. But also way
>>>> too many (like me) who don't. I keep getting sucked into these
>>>> hopeless political quagmires. Bait fishing is a much more
>>>> satisfying bad habit.
>>>
>>> aw hell...i was just gettin to really like you too. <g>
>>>
>>> of course, you're right.
>>
>>
>> Well, not really, IMHO. How someone can write that much stuff, hit
>> the <send> button, and then say "Damn - they sucked me in AGAIN!" is
>> puzzling to me. At what stage of that process does one realize
>> they're being sucked in?Rather than periodically doing this and then
>> staying away from this place, wouldn't it just be easier not to
>> reply, and easier still not to even read the political stuff? It
>> wouldn't be much fun, but easier nonetheless.
>
> you don't think bait fishing is a more satisfying experience than
> tilting with some of the human windmills here? you have been sick,
> haven't you? <g>
Still am, usually. ;-)
> as someone who has easily yielded time and again to my own human
> weaknesses...one of which properly but sadly ended my first marriage
> to an especially fine lady ...i fully understand and accept the power
> of "getting sucked in" despite what might have been the better, wiser,
> easier course.
>
> with regard to the issue at hand...at some point you just have to say
> what's on your mind. it ain't always about what's easier.
I have no problem with that, but it just seems odd to flail at a keyboard
and then post a message of regret a few minutes later. Maybe not - hell, I
don't know. Let's wait a few minutes and see if I regret this one. . . .
Wayne Harrison
"Tim J." <NOkpos...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote
> I have no problem with that, but it just seems odd to flail at a keyboard
> and then post a message of regret a few minutes later. Maybe not - hell, I
> don't know. Let's wait a few minutes and see if I regret this one. . . .
hilarious. as they say down in rowan county (in an expression of
bemused endearment), "...timmaaay, you won't do, son; you just won't do..."
yfitons
wayno
sned...@msn.com
Any complete look at this issue understands that it is a red herring.
First, missing awards and being confused about awards is pretty common
for severely wounded, focused on regaining a sense of the world
outside the horror visited upon them. Cleland even said early in his
recovery and later that the real heroes were other guys and he didn't
deserve the medals. THAT is a very common response from combat
survivors who often remain focused on their dead and missing
comrades. My Uncle, a Silver Star winner, wouldn't talk about the war
until a couple of years ago. He would only make jokes when asked. He'd
say things like HE was safe because he slept under Patton's tank. Ive
read the citation and some of the combat reports of his Armored
Engineer unit and have some idea of the casualties the Germans
extracted from Patton's spearheads, and I know he was not safe. And as
a little kid I saw some of the human wreckage that were his surviving
buddies and I doubt they cared very much about an accurate inventory
of their awards.
I don't think a lot about surgery. Im relatively healthy, knock on
wood, cancer free, in decent cardio shape. Ive been very lucky so far.
I'm pretty physical and have adapted to the minor attendant
inconveniences better than most evidently. My wife is very athletic
(triathlons, kayaking in Mexico as we speak) so that is a positive
influence. My little orchard and some new farm land also keep me
going. I think the keys are pushing a big dose of daily exercise,
light drinking, vegetables and luck.
I'm 65 soon and would be interested in what you and any other oldsters
have to suggest/recommend as per Medigap insurance.
Dave
rdean3...@flash.net
Assuming Dave to be correct about the false PH claim, I'd offer two
things: If Cleland had said he didn't have a PH when he did have one,
the "I forgot" might carry more weight, and two, if he claimed it more
or less contemporaneously with the injury, it would be understandable
that he might assume he had received it. But for a public figure such
as Cleland to fall back on "oops, I forgot I didn't actually have one"
seems to strain credibility - YMMV.
What I don't understand is why people think he (and McCain, for having
been a POW) are "heroes" based solely upon things completely beyond
their control or necessarily correct in their opinions about war or that
to question them is somehow unpatriotic. Another thing I don't
understand is why anyone would question that Cleland is, by "normal"
definition, a "hero" based on his Silver and Bronze stars, which are,
AFAIK, legit and deserved.
HTH,
R
Big Bushkill
Hey guys I get enough fuc al;skdjf politics, from CNN, Fox, and the news
papers. I joined this board to relax and talk fishing.
I have nothing against mixing it up in politics but not here. Get a
life.
--
Big Bushkill
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Dave LaCourse
>Any complete look at this issue understands that it is a red herring.
>First, missing awards and being confused about awards is pretty common
>for severely wounded, focused on regaining a sense of the world
>outside the horror visited upon them. Cleland even said early in his
>recovery and later that the real heroes were other guys and he didn't
>deserve the medals. THAT is a very common response from combat
>survivors who often remain focused on their dead and missing
>comrades.
Cleland did NOT wear the PH when in uniform. He wasn't presented with
one. Yes, he is a highly decorated hero, and I appreciate all he did
for us. But his misuse of the PH is what brought him down. He should
not have done it, listed it on his blog, and in his bio.
Do you remember the CNO who wore a combat V on one of his ribbons when
he did not deserve it? The guy killed himself rather than face the
humility from his peers. There is no difference between that highly
decorated hero and Cleland.
My condition is perfect. PSA still unmeasurable and I have no trouble
with the problems that are normally present after surgery. It has
been 11 years now.
At 70, things are beginning to wear out. I go to physical theorapy
twice a week for my shoulders. Plus, the diebetes pills were doing a
number on my kidneys, so I am now on insulin. Pain in the neck taking
the two shots/day, but it is better than kidney failure. I had a bit
of fun in Miami's Intl. airport coming back from Chile. I "shot up"
in front of the mirrors/sinks. Got some strange looks. d;o)
Be well, Dave
Dave
Wolfgang
"Big Bushkill" <Big.Bushk...@njflyfishing.com> wrote in message
news:Big.Bushk...@njflyfishing.com...
>
> Hey guys I get enough fuc al;skdjf politics, from CNN, Fox, and the news
> papers. I joined this board to relax and talk fishing.
>
> I have nothing against mixing it up in politics but not here. Get a
> life.
Well, there......that should do it.
Now, maybe you could turn your considerable talents in problem solving to
figuring out who is responsible for all your sparkling New Jersey repartee
being posted to a Usenet group whose members had, until recently, gotten
along quite nicely without it, thank you very much.
Wolfgang
Wolfgang
"Dave LaCourse" <dplac...@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
news:fulr24594aa2h0o0r...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:55:08 -0700 (PDT), sned...@msn.com wrote:
>
>>Any complete look at this issue understands that it is a red herring.
>>First, missing awards and being confused about awards is pretty common
>>for severely wounded, focused on regaining a sense of the world
>>outside the horror visited upon them. Cleland even said early in his
>>recovery and later that the real heroes were other guys and he didn't
>>deserve the medals. THAT is a very common response from combat
>>survivors who often remain focused on their dead and missing
>>comrades.
>
> Cleland did NOT wear the PH when in uniform. He wasn't presented with
> one. Yes, he is a highly decorated hero, and I appreciate all he did
> for us. But his misuse of the PH is what brought him down. He should
> not have done it, listed it on his blog, and in his bio.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
> Do you remember the CNO who wore a combat V on one of his ribbons when
> he did not deserve it? The guy killed himself rather than face the
> humility from his peers.
One suspects that he may have misjudged his peers humility.
> There is no difference between that highly
> decorated hero and Cleland.
Even coming from you this is a particularly vapid argument. I don't know
who either of these people is, but I'll bet 3.462 brazillion dollars I can
find numerous differences between them in a couple of minutes.
> My condition is perfect.
One of those positively delightful ambiguities that adds an occasional bit
of spice to what is otherwise a tedious exercise in serial half-wittedness.
I'm sure no one here has any reason to doubt that your condition is
perfect........whatever late stage of decrepitude its abode has attained
lately. :)
> PSA still unmeasurable
And there's another!
> and I have no trouble
> with the problems that are normally present after surgery. It has
> been 11 years now.
So, the sutures are ready to come out?
> At 70, things are beginning to wear out.
Some faster than others......but then, they had a headstart.
> I go to physical theorapy twice a week for my shoulders.
Maybe you should try not typing with them for a while.
> Plus, the diebetes pills were doing a number on my kidneys,
Hm.......you DO know that they weren't suppositories......right?
> so I am now on insulin. Pain in the neck taking
> the two shots/day,
It would appear that you've set your sights too high.
> but it is better than kidney failure.
So's a poke in the eyes with a hot stick, evidently.
> I had a bit
> of fun in Miami's Intl. airport coming back from Chile. I "shot up"
> in front of the mirrors/sinks. Got some strange looks. d;o)
A blind man fat man with a bad perm jabbing needles in his neck in front of
a mirror in an airport rest room.......yeah, that might garner a strange
look or two.....even in Miami.
> Be well, Dave
Well, be dave, anyway.
> Dave
Ditto
Dave
Ken Fortenberry
> Hey guys I get enough fuc al;skdjf politics, from CNN, Fox, and the news
> papers. I joined this board to relax and talk fishing.
>
> I have nothing against mixing it up in politics but not here. Get a
> life.
Fuck off, Jersey Boy. This is roff, if you don't like it
take a hike.
--
Ken Fortenberry
Scott Seidman
> I have nothing against mixing it up in politics but not here. Get a
> life.
>
I notice you're participating from the njflyfishing board. We're
participating from a fifteen year old usenet newsgroup
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. We have our own rules and style, and are
completely unmoderated. About a decade ago, all the participants sort of
agreed that if it could come up on a fishing trip for discussion, it could
come up here.
Now, for whatever reason, the adminstrators of a fly fishing board have
decided to link all the roff postings to their site, and vice-versa. All
well and good, and we like your company, but we're not likely to change our
rules or habits. Perhaps you should take this up with your board's
moderators, and ask them to review their decision to host roff postings.
If you can't come to an amenable resolution, perhaps that particular board
doesn't suit your style. You can find another. These days, php forums are
a dime a dozen. Just leave the usenet for us fogeys.
--
Scott
Reverse name to reply
Wolfgang
"Scott Seidman" <namdie...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AA0A4F96EF4Esc...@130.133.1.4...
> ...we like your company....
No, we don't.
Wolfgang
well, if anybody is going to speak for all of us, it might as well be me.
Scott Seidman
news:6968h1F...@mid.individual.net:
I was shooting for social grace. It was difficult, too. Try typing with
your pinkies extended.
Dave LaCourse
<Big.Bushk...@njflyfishing.com> wrote:
>Hey guys I get enough fuc al;skdjf politics, from CNN, Fox, and the news
>papers. I joined this board to relax and talk fishing.
>
>I have nothing against mixing it up in politics but not here. Get a
>life.
Oh, no. Someone is forcing Big to read this thread.
You let me know who forced you to open this thread and read it, Big,
and I will KILL them for you.
Dave
Dave LaCourse
huh, what.........<yawn>
ZZZZzzzzzzzzz
Tom Littleton
"Big Bushkill" <Big.Bushk...@njflyfishing.com> wrote in message
news:Big.Bushk...@njflyfishing.com...
> I have nothing against mixing it up in politics but not here. Get a
> life.
>
>
> --
> Big Bushkill
a couple quick suggestions, BB. First, try using your real name, you might
get more respect. Second, look into this group's history and overall
topicality. You might wish to restrain yourself from telling us what we
should or shouldn't do. Thanks in advance.
Tom
Wolfgang
> ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> huh, what.........<yawn>
>
> ZZZZzzzzzzzzz
Looks like invisibility ain't what it used to be.
Wolfgang
junkies, on the other hand, still are.
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
That's ok, Wolfgang. I forgive you.
Dave
Wolfgang
No, you don't. A lifetime of lies is a hard habit to break, I've been
told*. Nevertheless, you should try it. Not that it will do you any good
at all, but you should still try it.
Wolfgang
* of course, they could have been lying to me.
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>
>"Dave LaCourse" <dplac...@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
>news:3j13345dd2vbrd9q1...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:31:22 -0500, "Wolfgang" <wolf...@mcw.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dave LaCourse" <dplac...@pirateaol.com> wrote in message
>>>news:g13s24ldouotn8ksu...@4ax.com...
>>>> ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
>>>>
>>>> huh, what.........<yawn>
>>>>
>>>> ZZZZzzzzzzzzz
>>>
>>>Looks like invisibility ain't what it used to be.
>>>
>>>Wolfgang
>>>junkies, on the other hand, still are.
>>>
>>
>> That's ok, Wolfgang. I forgive you.
>
>No, you don't. A lifetime of lies is a hard habit to break, I've been
>told*. Nevertheless, you should try it. Not that it will do you any good
>at all, but you should still try it.
>
>Wolfgang
>* of course, they could have been lying to me.
>
No, Wolfgang, I really *do* forgive you. I know you can not help
yourself. You are forgiven. Really. :)
Dave
Wolfgang
What is it you hope to gain with this childish nonsense? Is it working?
Wolfgang
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
Gain? What does one gain by forgiving another? Whatever it is I have
it, for I truly forgive you.
Dave
Wolfgang
Have you ever wondered how life might be different as an adult?
Wolfgang
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>Have you ever wondered how life might be different as an adult?
I'm an adult, Wolfgang. A very fortunate one. And, I forgive you. I
really, really do.
Be well.
Dave
Wolfgang
No, seriously.
Wolfgang
Dave LaCourse
Wolfgang
Well, I'll be Wolfgang
Who do you want to be?
Wolfgang
Dave LaCourse
wrote:
>Well, I'll be Wolfgang
Good.
>
>Who do you want to be?
I am happy as myself, tyvm.
Be well, Wolfgang. :)
Dave