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rw

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Jan 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/24/99
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Bad Bri wrote:
>
> Ok, I was up fishing this afternoon, (before I wrecked my truck) and I
> was getting extremely frustrated! It seemed that ever third or forth
> cast, I would have to untagle my leader. It was getting tangled on my
> fly, the not to the flyline, the sinker, and the strike indicator.
> I'm guessing it has something to do with the way I am casting but, I
> don't know what it would be.
>
> Any commons causes of this problem and cures for them would be
> appreciated greatly by a new fisherman!
>

Well, you can't cast a weighted line like you would cast a dry fly. Try
letting the the current load your line as your rig goes downstream and then
just lob it back upstrean. It's not picture perfect, but it works.

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Bad Bri

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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Ok, I was up fishing this afternoon, (before I wrecked my truck) and I
was getting extremely frustrated! It seemed that ever third or forth
cast, I would have to untagle my leader. It was getting tangled on my
fly, the not to the flyline, the sinker, and the strike indicator.
I'm guessing it has something to do with the way I am casting but, I
don't know what it would be.

Any commons causes of this problem and cures for them would be
appreciated greatly by a new fisherman!


Brian Hailey
bad...@unisys.net

daytripper

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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If you hadn't mentioned the sinker and strike indicator, I'd have guessed you
were being bitten by the dreaded "tailing loop". As the slice is the bane of
all golfers, the tailing loop is to the fly fisherman...

The most frequent causes of tailing loops are over-powering the forward cast,
letting the backcast drop too low, and/or trying to form too tight a loop.

However, add in the effects of a sinker (along with adding more weight to the
leader, it also acts as a hinge) and the strike indicator (another hinge -
plus wind-resistance) and you can easily end up spending more time unravelling
and retying leaders than actually wetting a fly...

The cure:
- slow down your casting motion - both backcast and forward cast
- keep your backcast higher than you normally do
- open up your loops
- use a slightly side-arm delivery (ie: don't try to come straight over the
top of your casting shoulder when using weight and strike indicators).

Next time you're fishing the same gear, take the time to watch your backcast
(turn towards your casting arm) and see if that helps with your timing. Watch
the loop form on the forward cast and try to open the size of the loop. And
above all, slow down the full casting cycle to give the leader time to unroll
on the backcast, and then avoid overdriving the forward cast.

btw: Sorry to hear about your truck. Hope nobody got hurt...

/daytripper

Eis

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Jan 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/25/99
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The first two answers are good. Casting a nymph, weight, and strike
indicator is a challange for everyone. Was there any wind at your back?
That can really screw up casts. The let it all pay out down stream
technique is the one I use also. I do it as follows. Let the strike
indicator and fly go down stream. Point your rod down stream with the tip
low. This takes all the slack out of the system. Now lift the rod tip up
so the strike indicator comes out of the water and then cast up stream.
the initial lift is slower then the cast/heave but they are all one smooth
motion. If you want to cast further out into the river then use the same
technique but instead of pointing your rod down stream bring the rod tip
back behind you so its about 20 to 30 degrees past the down stream
position. This allows you to get more out then up stream distance. The
idea is that you are loading your rod with the fly in the water. Never
false cast with this method..No need.

With any other method of casting remember this obnoxious rig is not a dry
fly and you must keep the false casting to zero if possible.

Bad Bri wrote:

> Ok, I was up fishing this afternoon, (before I wrecked my truck) and I
> was getting extremely frustrated! It seemed that ever third or forth
> cast, I would have to untagle my leader. It was getting tangled on my
> fly, the not to the flyline, the sinker, and the strike indicator.
> I'm guessing it has something to do with the way I am casting but, I
> don't know what it would be.
>
> Any commons causes of this problem and cures for them would be
> appreciated greatly by a new fisherman!
>

> Brian Hailey
> bad...@unisys.net


Bad Bri

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Jan 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/26/99
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On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:21:47 -0700, Eis <e...@cira.colostate.edu> wrote
these amazingly witty words:

>The first two answers are good. Casting a nymph, weight, and strike
>indicator is a challange for everyone. Was there any wind at your back?

There was quite a bit of wind that day. I believe it was coming from
my left (upstream). I cast right handed.

>That can really screw up casts. The let it all pay out down stream
>technique is the one I use also. I do it as follows. Let the strike
>indicator and fly go down stream. Point your rod down stream with the tip
>low. This takes all the slack out of the system. Now lift the rod tip up
>so the strike indicator comes out of the water and then cast up stream.

If there is a lot of line out, more than would allow me to lift the
strike indicator with my rod, should I create a wave in the line to
lift the strike indicator?

>the initial lift is slower then the cast/heave but they are all one smooth
>motion. If you want to cast further out into the river then use the same
>technique but instead of pointing your rod down stream bring the rod tip
>back behind you so its about 20 to 30 degrees past the down stream
>position. This allows you to get more out then up stream distance. The
>idea is that you are loading your rod with the fly in the water. Never
>false cast with this method..No need.
>
>With any other method of casting remember this obnoxious rig is not a dry
>fly and you must keep the false casting to zero if possible.

Brian Hailey

bad...@ultrasys.net

Bad Bri

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Jan 31, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/31/99
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Thanks for all the tips everyone. I'm goin' out this afternoon to try
them out. I'll let you know how I fare.

Brian Hailey

bad...@ultrasys.net

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 04:35:50 GMT, bad...@ultrasys.net (Bad Bri) wrote
these amazingly witty words:

>Ok, I was up fishing this afternoon, (before I wrecked my truck) and I

Bad Bri

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Feb 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/1/99
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Well, I'm back and I must say, I think it was a very successfull
fishing trip even though I was skunked. This time I actually spent
most of my time with my line in the water!!!! (yeah) My line did get
tangled up once when I started to get lazy and went back to my old
habits.

Thanks for all the tips everyone!

Brian (not so newbie) Hailey

bad...@ultrasys.net

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