Eau du Salmo Morte
Ken Fortenberry
nice weather for early November, bright and sunny and in the mid-50's
each afternoon. Which is why the catching was slow, but no matter
it was good to be on a river waving a fly rod.
The Pere Marquette had a very nice salmon run this year and I didn't
need to read the fly shop braggadocio to figure that out. There were
still salmon corpses everywhere. And Kaylin rolled around in every
goddamn one of them. Why do dogs *do* that ? Ohmigawd, the stench
was, and to an extent still is, awful.
Any suggestions for getting the smell of dead salmon out of a dog's
fur ? Anybody want to make an offer on an 18 month-old yellow Lab ? ;-)
--
Ken Fortenberry
Frank Reid © 2008
fumigate the hound.
Frank Reid
(who learned this after falling head first into a rotting sea lion
corpse)
Frank Reid © 2008
And by the way, to another dog, that smell is Odie cologne.
Frank Reid
Bob
wrote:
Ken,
You may already know this, but you really need to be careful with dogs
around dead salmon. If they eat any, they can get a very nasty
parasite that will really make them sick. At least that's the case
with Pacific Salmon - may not apply to Great Lakes Salmon, but it
would be worth checking with a vet.
Bob
rw
Tomato juice doesn't work well for skunk-smell removal. It's pretty much
an old wives's tale.
Try this mixture:
1 q white vinegar OR 3% hydrogen peroxide
1/4 c Baking soda.
1 tsp dish detergent
--
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Ken Fortenberry
Thanks for the suggestion. The wife took one whiff and headed out to
the vet supply store after suggesting in rather strong language that
perhaps I should take up bowling instead of fishing.
She came back with a shampoo that worked reasonably well.
Next time you fall into the rotting corpse of a sea lion send me a
note and I'll send you a bottle. ;-)
--
Ken Fortenberry
Ken Fortenberry
> Ken Fortenberry wrote:
>> ...
>> Any suggestions for getting the smell of dead salmon out of a dog's
>> fur ? Anybody want to make an offer on an 18 month-old yellow Lab ? ;-)
>
> You may already know this, but you really need to be careful with dogs
> around dead salmon. If they eat any, they can get a very nasty
> parasite that will really make them sick. At least that's the case
> with Pacific Salmon - may not apply to Great Lakes Salmon, but it
> would be worth checking with a vet.
Thanks Bob, I had heard that and I'll keep an eye on her for the next
week. The rickettsial organism that infects the parasite that infects
the salmon and the parasite itself rarely occur east of the Cascades.
If she starts vomiting and diarrhea we'll go straight to the vet for
antibiotics and dewormers.
--
Ken Fortenberry
DaveS
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For sure what Bob said. Get that shit off him. Around here we always
bury salmon remains. The heads are particularly a problem, cooked or
raw they get dogs real sick . . . or dead.
I think the Indian dogs must have developed some resistance because
they were fed salmon. In fact the Kita (mostly called "chum") salmon
are also called "Dog Salmon" but who knows . . . that might be for
their long kipes.
Johnson's wood soap, or rosemary scented shampoo is what we use when
our dog rolls around in dead crabs etc on the beach. Sometimes it
takes 2-3 successive baths to get em presentable, and then all the
oils is gone and they get cold easy. Best policy is to keep em close
when around the stinky stuff. If you catch it right away it pays to
pull the dog into the water and soak him all over right away. At least
that helps in the salt water. Good luck
dave
Bob
Dave,
Though the Indians and Aleuts fed/feed their sled dogs salmon they
didn't just feed them Chum salmon. In many areas Reds (Sockeye) were/
are the primary species fed. I believe the name Dog Salmon is a
reference to the long canine teeth that the males (especially) develop
upon - or shortly after - entering fresh water.
Bob
Tim Lysyk
> I think the Indian dogs must have developed some resistance because
> they were fed salmon. In fact the Kita (mostly called "chum") salmon
> are also called "Dog Salmon" but who knows . . . that might be for
> their long kipes.
>
> dave
I thought chum were called dog salmon because of their teeth?
Tim Lysyk
Fred
On 13-Nov-2009, rw <rw56_to_...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> rank Reid � 2008 wrote:
> > Actually, tomato soup. The same acids that knock down skunk will help
> > fumigate the hound.
> > Frank Reid
> > (who learned this after falling head first into a rotting sea lion
> > corpse)
> >
>
> Tomato juice doesn't work well for skunk-smell removal. It's pretty much
> an old wives's tale.
>
> Try this mixture:
>
> 1 q white vinegar OR 3% hydrogen peroxide
> 1/4 c Baking soda.
> 1 tsp dish detergent
I have used tomato Juice aplenty for skunks but you MUST have lemon juice or
it will not work.
Fred
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
And for landsakesalive, don't mix it in a Gatorade bottle...
TC,
R
rw
Tomato juice doesn't neutralize the smell -- it merely masks it.
http://www.scienceline.org/2006/07/26/ask-cosier-skunk/
http://www.ehow.com/how_5215900_deskunk-tomato-juice-not-work.html
Family-Outdoors
Dog mushers who use salmon to feed dogs usually boil them first. Some
still do it, though it's not legal. Usually out of fish wheels on
"subsistence permits."
rdean3...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
Well, no shit it's not legal! The PETA people must be apoplectic...mushers
boiling dogs...they probably blame it all on the Palins...and besides, what good
are boiled dogs to mushers? Well, count me in the camp of those solidly against
any and all forms of dog-boiling.
>Usually out of fish wheels on "subsistence permits."
Oh...you meant the salmon...nevermind.
TC,
R
riverman
I can verify that this is a MIRACLE liquid! My neighbors dog dragged a
dead skunk home. After being amazed at how well this mixture
neutralized the smell on the dog, we gagged our way out to the skunk,
poured the last of the juice over its mangled corpse, and I sweartagod
you could not smell ANY trace of eau de skunk on it at all. Knocked
out the smell 100%.
--riverman
rw
Better lives through chemistry.
DaveS
> Though the Indians and Aleuts fed/feed their sled dogs salmon they
> didn't just feed them Chum salmon. In many areas Reds (Sockeye) were/
> are the primary species fed. I believe the name Dog Salmon is a
> reference to the long canine teeth that the males (especially) develop
> upon - or shortly after - entering fresh water.
>
Yep that makes sense. The kipe is the "Upturned lower jaw of a male
salmon at the end of its life as it returns to fresh water to spawn."
Anyway, "Kita" (also spelled Keta) salmon is a much better name for
marketing Chum.;+))
Dave
DaveS
>
> I thought chum were called dog salmon because of their teeth?
>
> Tim Lysyk
Yep.
Dave
DaveS
> Try this mixture:
Ill have to try it on beach rotted crab. Wonder how it will do on
Coyote poop and Otter slick? Otter slick, that goo they grease their
runs with, is about the most obnoxious stuff in nature. Around here
one of the worse things that can happen is to have some otters move
under your house.
Thanx
Dave
rw
I don't know, Dave. That mixture is specifically designed to neutralize
skunk odor. Who knows how it will work on other nasty stuff.
Otter slick?
DaveS
The otters seem to rub shit and fishy guts on the "slides" leading to
water. This seems to help keep the mud from drying out, and makes them
slippery. Ive also seen it on rocks leading down from the den area to
the water. Once you smell it you always know what it is. Sometimes
they use culverts as part of their regular trails to deeper water,
food, dens etc. The scat often will have lots of crushed shell bits in
it. What Im describing is from observation and conjecture; don't know
how it squares with more science based descripts.
Dave
You score much on the Clearwater this year?
rw
Aside from that, though, they're pretty cute. :-)
MajorOz
Although it hasn't happened to me, Missouri's program to re-introduce
river otters has had the unexpected consequence of cleaning out a
number of farm ponds. I personally wouldn't mind, as the ponds have
to be "stripped" now and then to insure healthy reproduction and
species balance.
But there are a number of otherwise honorable, law-abiding, sportsman-
minded folks who have turned poacher when seeing an otter making off
with a ten pound catfish from the backyard pond.
cheers
oz
DaveS
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Aside from the law, its a hard call sometimes as to killing off
creatures that have some annoying habits. I'm thinking of a neighbor,
and others over the years, who saw fit to shoot beavers for this or
that high crime. I can see it if the beasties are flooding a house or
barn or pasture in use. And Ive no special mission to the rat world.
But sometimes it seems some folk just have to shoot something, doesn't
seem to matter what.
As a kid in NJ, I rapidly excused myself from "varmint hunting." And
just as quickly decided i needed to learn how to better raccoon proof
my trap-line sets. Yeah varmint "hunting" is good training for a few
military job specs but . . . well my point is that there is a line,
maybe not so fine a line, but a line non the less between meaningless
killing and the ethics of blood sport. "You kill it, you eat it," is
at least a starting place. And the native American practice of
thanking the Great Spirit after a kill is a good spiritual pause
moment with oneself and kids. Without ethics and reverence for the
prey, its just recreational war against a weak, unarmed lesser of
God's creatures. I think this applies to fly fishing as well as
hunting.
Dave
MajorOz
Then there is the argument that it is much more humane to drop an
animal instantly with a hit to the brain or heart than it is to let it
fight it's heart and soul out on the end of a line.
As one who enjoys both, I can understand both sides of the
story..........
cheers
oz, who shoots possums on sight