Bead heads
Eis
(18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or brass) begin to
fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the bend of the
hook going over all the dubbing etc. This even happens on bh brassies! I
usually tie extra thread wraps and add dubbing just behind the bead but
it doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions?
BOB460W34
>(18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or brass) begin to
>fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the bend of the
>hook going over all the dubbing
Hey Dude;
What size bead are you using? It would seem to me that you might be using a
larger bead than you need. Also along with the thread wraps to hold the bead
in place you might want to put a dab of head cement on those wraps.
Tight lines and Tie one on
Bob
Greg Miller
BOB460W34 wrote:
> >I tie lots of bead head flys. I have a problem, particularly on small
> >(18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or brass) begin to
> >fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the bend of the
> >hook going over all the dubbing
>
> Also along with the thread wraps to hold the bead
> in place you might want to put a dab of head cement on those wraps.
>
That's as good advice as any...be sure to test the bead afteryou do the wraps
behind it. Try pulling on the bead a little
bit to see if it slips. I usually don't need it - but a drop
of head cement certainly should add a measure of security...
-Greg
allan podell
Before slipping the bead on, tie a small piece of foam, along the shank,
directly behind the eye.
Slip the bead head on the hook and slide it so the foam is inside the bead.
Dress the
rest of the fly as you normally would plus the drop of head cement or one of
the super glues.
Mike Connor
Eis schrieb in Nachricht <36ADF059...@cira.colostate.edu>...
>I tie lots of bead head flys. I have a problem, particularly on small
>(18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or brass) begin to
>fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the bend of the
>usually tie extra thread wraps and add dubbing just behind the bead but
>it doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions?
>
Hi Eis,
I put beads on a dozen or so hooks and leave them about halfway up the
shank, I then mix a small amount of five minute epoxy, and put a drop near
the eye of the hook and then push the bead up into place. I rarely have
problems with them loosening now. It is admittedly a bit of a mess on, but
works perfectly. I tried CA glues as well, but they are not as good. Also
make sure
the bead you are using is not too large, and that the bore of the bead is a
s close
to the shank diameter as possible.
Tight lines !
Mike Connor
Bob
Eis wrote in message
<36ADF059...@cira.colostate.edu>...
>I tie lots of bead head flys. I have a problem,
particularly on small
>(18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or
brass) begin to
>fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the
bend of the
>hook going over all the dubbing etc. This even happens on
bh brassies! I
>usually tie extra thread wraps and add dubbing just behind
the bead but
>it doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions?
>
Check out the Hook and Hackle website. They have a special
this month on beads for very small flies.
www.hookhack.com
Bob Scott
JBuc545968
SHOPS. IT IS LIKE CRAZY GLUEBUT BETTER. THEY ALSO HAVE SPRAY THAT YOU SPRAY ON
& IT DRIES INSTANTLY. {MINI SECONDS)
ALSO TRY COSSOVER TYING WITH YOUR THREAD. THAT IS - USING THE X TIEING METHOD.
GERALD R. BUCKNER
'The Saint Augustine Artist'
jbuc5...@aol.com
dick knight
I found a small dab of super glue just behind the eye holds the bead on a
bit longer...at least till I lose the fly.
Dick Knight
Ralph H
Eis wrote:
> I tie lots of bead head flys. I have a problem, particularly on small
> (18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or brass) begin to
> fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the bend of the
> hook going over all the dubbing etc?
easiest way to keep a bead in place I've used is; With the bead on the hook
and the hook in the vice attach thread at the hook eye. Push the bead to the
eye. Hold the bead in place and pull the thread under the bead along the
shank and wrap directly against the bead on the
shank behind the bead. You can repeat the process back and forth a couple of
times to make sure the bead is secure. Tie the fly as per usual. When you're
done and you cement the head add a dab to the underside of the bead to
protect the thread. I've done it on many bead sizes. Give it a try.
Ralph H
Richard K. Oring
down thread up near the eye of the hook also when you begin .
>(18 and smaller), after a few casts the bead (glass or brass) begin to
>fall down the hook and after a few more the bead is at the bend of the
Mr. G
attract trout and/or fish because the fish think the fly looks like it has eyes
on it. That, is for the fly tiers to believe. But the really savvy fly tier
knows that bead heads change wet flies into a jigging action style of fly and
THAT ACTION is what makes them work most successfully over any other reasons.
"Except of course, that tiny chrome flash,' if it is chrome beads that are
used. However, most are little, heavy dumb-bell style of bead heads, etc.
So, I think we all need to rethink why we are tying bead heads for. Are you
tying them for 'that jigging' and/or rise/dip action on the retrieve, or are we
all still foolish enough to really think (and believe) that we are still fly
fishing using such a gimmick on wet flies.
I think not. I think bead-headed flies is a cop out between spin fishing action
attached to a fly fishing system.
Like it or not.
Get the lead out of your flies. Go naked before your fly fishing Gods. Become
a purist!
Mr. G.
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All Rights Reserved
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Geoff K
What about chironamidae? There are several types in the interior of BC that
are dead ringers for some of those flies with bead heads. I have fished one
lake for the last 3 years every ice-off and into early summer where nothing
but a blood worm with a green glass bead or black metal bead will work. As
you probably are aware, the trout around the Kamloops are can be some of the
most wary and difficult to catch (even though they are just "dumb" western
trout :-)
I usually fish these flies on a dry line with a very long leader, up to 20
ft long, so the fly sits virtually motionless near the bottom of the shoal
where the fish can get a very close look at it in crystal clear water.
Sometimes I use a twist hand retrieve, but certainly no jigging action.
An exception to what you refer to?
I will freely admit that I use a weighted leech pattern for salmon and
cutthroat in the fall, and specifically for that jigging/swimming action, oh
well.
PS: how are the rods coming? Any chance of getting one up in BC?
Geoff K
Mr. G wrote in message <36B353BC...@gink.com>...
>________ I think many here should have it pointed out that "Bead Heads"
don't
>attract trout and/or fish because the fish think the fly looks like it has
eyes
>on it. That, is for the fly tiers to believe. But the really savvy fly
tier
>knows that bead heads change wet flies into a jigging action style of fly
and
>THAT ACTION is what makes them work most successfully over any other
reasons.<snip>
W Hart
Wayne
To fish is human...to release divine.
Mr. G wrote in message <36B353BC...@gink.com>...
>________ I think many here should have it pointed out that "Bead Heads"
don't
>attract trout and/or fish because the fish think the fly looks like it has
eyes
>on it. That, is for the fly tiers to believe. But the really savvy fly
tier
>knows that bead heads change wet flies into a jigging action style of fly
and
>THAT ACTION is what makes them work most successfully over any other
reasons.
>"Except of course, that tiny chrome flash,' if it is chrome beads that are
>used. However, most are little, heavy dumb-bell style of bead heads, etc.
>
>So, I think we all need to rethink why we are tying bead heads for. Are
you
>tying them for 'that jigging' and/or rise/dip action on the retrieve, or
are we
>all still foolish enough to really think (and believe) that we are still
fly
>fishing using such a gimmick on wet flies.
>
>I think not. I think bead-headed flies is a cop out between spin fishing
action
>attached to a fly fishing system.
>
Ernie Harrison
streamers does increase their effectiveness. Have you ever read Fulshers
Thunder Creek Series?
Ernie Harrison
Mr. G wrote in message <36B353BC...@gink.com>...
>________ I think many here should have it pointed out that "Bead Heads"
don't
>attract trout and/or fish because the fish think the fly looks like it has
eyes
>on it. That, is for the fly tiers to believe. But the really savvy fly
tier
>knows that bead heads change wet flies into a jigging action style of fly
and
>THAT ACTION is what makes them work most successfully over any other
reasons.
>"Except of course, that tiny chrome flash,' if it is chrome beads that are
>used. However, most are little, heavy dumb-bell style of bead heads, etc.
<snip>
Mr. G
Geoff K wrote:
> As always, George, provocative.
> What about chironamidae? There are several types in the interior of BC that
> are dead ringers for some of those flies with bead heads. I have fished one
> lake for the last 3 years every ice-off and into early summer where nothing
> but a blood worm with a green glass bead or black metal bead will work. As
> you probably are aware, the trout around the Kamloops are can be some of the
> most wary and difficult to catch (even though they are just "dumb" western
> trout :-)
_______ dumb? Western? Trout? Surely, you jest georgie? Anything but dumb,
even after you use the word 'difficult' in the same sentence. Mercy!
I would be pleased to come up there and assist you in catching these 'difficult'
fish with beadless flies. Trust me.
>
> I usually fish these flies on a dry line with a very long leader, up to 20
> ft long, so the fly sits virtually motionless near the bottom of the shoal
> where the fish can get a very close look at it in crystal clear water.
> Sometimes I use a twist hand retrieve, but certainly no jigging action.
> An exception to what you refer to?
> I will freely admit that I use a weighted leech pattern for salmon and
> cutthroat in the fall, and specifically for that jigging/swimming action, oh
> well.
_______ HOW BIG are these trout, in the spring, because I have a fly that will
blow your mind and it will not have BRASS DUMBBELL EyES on it, and that IS the
truth.
>
>
> PS: how are the rods coming? Any chance of getting one up in BC?
> Geoff K
___________ It all depends on how fact I can get the machinery together. I AM
SPENDING money on it. I just have to get it together to start and a good
shipment of Bamboo Geoff.
Mr. G
Peter Charles wrote:
> Geeeooorge
>
> Come on now. Ever take a close look a some of those caddis nymphs?
> Little black heads. Jigging a nymph? A clouser minnow perhaps, but a
> nymph? You've been away from the water too long, sell those clubs.
>
> Peter
gotcha*
Mr. G
That is all. I shouldn't talk about something I don't use anyhow.
George "the' nymph fisherman
--
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Peter Charles
Bob.P...@mci.com
gi...@gink.com wrote:
> Get the lead out of your flies. Become
> a purist!
George, how about a deal?
You stop spamming the group with your advertising about some patriotically-
named fly fishing reel, and I'll quit using beads on my flies. I can do it if
you can.
Bob
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Become
>a purist!
Dry fly, upstream only to rising trout, with no pattern not listed in the
Treatise. After you, George... :-)
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AuSable1
Mr. G,
Once again you are wrong and as usual you can kiss my entire non-purist ass.
Bead heads are not generally and in fact rarely jigged. The bead-head nymph is
fished much more effectively dead drift just as other nymphs. They happen be
deadly used in combination with a non-purist strike indicator, dude bobber or
what ever else you angling snobs wish to call them. I know a great angler who
has not fished anything but bead-heads (for wets and nymphs) for three or four
years now. He out fishes us all. He must be a bead-head purist.
Now you talk, I mean shoot your mouth off (actually sounds like a great idea to
me) about "getting the lead out". So that means that you dont use any weight
to get a nymph down deep. Wire isn't heavy enough, and any kind of weight
attached to the line or leader would remove you from the ranks of "puritsdom".
A modern weighted line is also not allowed. So tell us "oh holy than thou one"
how you fish your nymph deep with no weight.
By the way, anyone who sends Mr. G a fly pattern needs a saliva test.
Yippee Tie One On!
ausable1
Mike Connor
if you refrained from insulting people you dont even know.
--
Tight lines !
Mike Connor
In order to know what is possible, one must constantly try the impossible.
Xochi
> I agree with your remarks about bead heads. I think it would be nice though
> if you refrained from insulting people you dont even know.
I dunno... I think if someone posts 10-15 written messages a day in an
international public forum the readers of that forum begin to feel that
they know them, in a roundabout, copyrighted, sort of way, after the first
two or three years or so. With that level of regular posting you can't
expect to not be flamed sometimes. Heck, IMHO, in some ways it merits
flaming in it's own right. :) :)
Spruce1067
he he eh this is Hilton.............