Sage Rod blank splines????
D433-Mark_E_Johnson(Mark)x3037
spline. I just got a 9' 5wt. 5 piece SP blank. There are little white
dots showing where Sage believes the spline to be. I agree with 2 of the
pieces markings, I think 2 other pieces are 180 degrees off, and 1 piece
is 90 degrees off. I don't remember which sections are which wrt the
spline id discrepancy.
Does anyone who has built many Sage rods have any advice for me? Are these
markings by Sage reliable? What is the group's experiences?
I have built 5 other rods that I had to determine the spline on my own, and
these rods cast fine, so I think I know how to id the spline (but you never
know).
If anyone knows of any other source of expert knowledge on rod building,
let me know that also. I am going to call Sage this morning.
Thanks,
Mark Johnson
daytripper
(D433-Mark_E_Johnson(Mark)x3037) wrote:
I'm about as far from being an expert on rolling rods as could be conceived,
but I have a decent memory, and I recall someone posting (on ROFF) that it's
more likely that Sage marked the sections such that they'll assemble into a
reasonably straight rod as opposed to lining up the spine.
Just something to look out for...
/daytripper
Ernie Harrison
I think the dots just indicate the suggested spacing of the guides. That
is the reason a carefully hand crafted rod is better than a factory rod. Go
with what you know.
Ernie Harrison
D433-Mark_E_Johnson(Mark)x3037 wrote in message
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>I have a question about Sage rod blanks and the determination of the
>spline. I just got a 9' 5wt. 5 piece SP blank. There are little white
>dots showing where Sage believes the spline to be. I agree with 2 of the
>pieces markings, I think 2 other pieces are 180 degrees off, and 1 piece
>is 90 degrees off. I don't remember which sections are which wrt the
>spline id discrepancy.
>
>Does anyone who has built many Sage rods have any advice for me? Are these
>markings by Sage reliable? What is the group's experiences?
>
>I have built 5 other rods that I had to determine the spline on my own, and
>these rods cast fine, so I think I know how to id the spline (but you never
>know).
>
>If anyone knows of any other source of expert knowledge on rod building,
>let me know that also. I am going to call Sage this morning.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Johnson
Mu Young Lee
> I have a question about Sage rod blanks and the determination of the
> spline. I just got a 9' 5wt. 5 piece SP blank. There are little white
> dots showing where Sage believes the spline to be.
That is not the spine. Alignment of the dots is done for cosmetic reasons
as /daytripper indicated. When I called the factory they told me:
1) that their rods are so well made that there is no spine.
2) therefore the white dots would give the best looking rod without
affecting performance.
Don't know if that's their official stance on the matter or if this person
was just clueless. Decided to ignore their advice.
I definitely felt a distinct spine on my rod blank and it didn't line up
with the dots. It didn't look the straightest but once I got the guides
on, the effects of the wraps and the weight of the guides made the
finished rod look fine.
I am not convinced the spining is that important anyway but I will keep
doing it.
Mu
Ernie Harrison
What the factory man probably meant was that they don't spine the rods they
build at the factory. Checking for the spine takes time and time is money.
If you ever find a blank without a spine I would like to hear about it. I
can't figure out what would be cosmetic about some white dots running down
your rod. Paying attention to details is what makes a rod you build
yourself better than a factory assembled one. Hell I have seen factory rods
where the guides didn't even line up and they were expensive rods.
Ernie Harrison.
Mu Young Lee wrote in message ...
Peter T
I second the motion regarding the cosmetic appearance of the rod. I have
built a few Sage rods, and I always find the spine using a spine finder
invented by Koe Wantanabe. This can be purchased from Clemens Custom
Tackle. http://www.clemenstackle.com/index.html. It is faster to use and
more accurate than the rolling method, but not necessary if you don't build
a lot of rods.
As for the cosmetics and the spine: When I last built a rod, I did my
normal thing to find the spine on the blank I was building. At that time, I
decided to check the spine on my factory rods. Boy, was I amazed! Not one
single factory rod was accurate. And I am talking about a Loomis GLX,
Thomas & Thomas and a Winston. I was quite perturbed to say the least as
these rods cost a pretty penny. I called both Winston and T & T and Loomis
asking for an explanation after I called some of my rod building buddies.
Again I was amazed at the responses which were consistent. What I was told
was that the factory rods are built with cosmetics in mind. More often than
not, according to one of the Winston technicians, the rod blanks are
slightly crooked when pulled off the mandrel. To compensate, they wrap the
guides such that it helps straighten the blank so it looks good. She said,
"after all, who would pay over $500 for a crooked fly rod"? She was
sympathetic and sounded truthful. I got the same response from a Loomis
tech. T & T did not return my call.
Anyway, a guy building his own rod will be getting the better blanks.
Again, who would keep a blank that was bent when it arrived? So, the moral
of the story is: find the spine yourself. I have built over 150 rods and
not even once have I found a blank without a spine. This is not to say that
they're not out there, but I have not seen one yet. This goes for bass,
deep sea and fly rods.
By the by, I find the spine on each section, mark them, assemble them and
then find the collective spine of the whole blank. This is more accurate
using the spine finder. In fact, with a long fly rod, it is quite
difficult to find the collective sum of the forces in the rod blank using
the rolling method. At least it is hard for me.
Regards,
Pete
D433-Mark_E_Johnson(Mark)x3037 <meg...@dwroll.lucent.com> wrote in message
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> I have a question about Sage rod blanks and the determination of the
> spline. I just got a 9' 5wt. 5 piece SP blank. There are little white
Oliver Fuller
(Peter T) wrote:
How does a Kantanabe spline finder work?