Snail Pattern?
Xochi
Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I wanted
to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
DavPLaC
Xochi writes:
I have never seen a snail pattern in *any* book.
In this month's "Fly Tyer" there is an article by C. Boyd Pfeiffer
about an ingenious way to tie beetles using nut shells and seed
husks. Pfeiffer writes about Eugene Parmeter of Ferndale,
Washington who invented this unusual method of "tying" a fly.
He mentions snails and grasshoppers, but doesn't show any or
give a recipe. You might call him. Snails, huh..........curious.....
Dave LaCourse
Jack C. Schmitt
bed. There is a small snail like organism there that the trout seem to
root from the grass. My best effort has been to use a Renegade tied
weighted on a curved hook such as the Tiemco 2457 or 2487. I sometimes
leave the hackle off. It seems to make no difference as long as you are
using the weighted fly. Good luck and let us know how it works for you.
Jack.
FLYTYER-1
Don't ask me why but according to Jason Borger it is just that. The fly has
a flat gold tinsel tag, a rear white hackle, a body of peacock herl, and a
front hackle of ginger or brown hackle- both hackles of dry fly quality
although it is a "sunken" fly when fished.
Good Luck
Stack
FLYT...@msn.com
"If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on
the shoulders of giants."- Sir Isaac Newton
Xochi wrote in message ...
Gary A. Soucie
> I have never seen a snail pattern in *any* book.
I've seen snail patterns in various books and articles, but they all seem sort of
far-fetched to me, so I've never tied or tried one. As I recall, they are
fashioned from balsa, cork, spun deer hair, leather, etc. They're all floaters.
> Snails, huh..........curious.....
Not really. Early in the season, trout tend to gorge themselves on snails. I've
taken plenty of spring brookies that had snails in their bellies. One May,
fishing in the Orkney Islands, we caught skinny brown trout after skinny brown
trout whose bellies were full of tiny snail shells.
>
>
> Dave LaCourse
Matt McCray
my favorite local streams. I tied these up and they worked wonders. They are
very easy to tie and come as close to the naturals as is needed.
http://users.boone.net/tiefly/snail.jpg Good luck!
Matt McCray
"FLY TYER FOR HIRE"
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Matt Wood
I read about a snail pattern a few months ago in fly tyer magazine. From
what I remember it is very simple.
1. Tie in monofiliment as antennae protruding from the eye end of the
shank.
2. Melt monofilament to form round eyes on ends
3. tie in wide white hackle feather to surface of shank to form the
base (bottom of the snail).
4. You then take a hot glue gun and layer on hot glue to form the tail
and shell.
5. As you are building up the body, use a marker to colour the glue to
the colour of the snail's shell.
6. I know this is not a very good description but with a little bit of
practice and creativity, this is the most lifelike snail pattern that I have
ever seen.
Donna Green
small brown hackles fore-and-aft of a peacock body. Doesn't look like a
snail to me, either, but? I think that one is to mimic the floating stage
(!) of the small lake snails.
Suggestion for a sunken pattern: something that uses a dark brown or black
bead and some marabou?
Ray Angeledes
It's good to see this thread and something specific about a snail fly. I
have been cogitating on this unproductively for several years. Trout in some
of the lakes I fish feed extensively on snails (but thankfully not
exclusively, or I wouldn't know). I'm going to give this some effort. If it
is half good, it should be a killer.
Ray
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DavPLaC
(snipped)
<<> Snails, huh..........curious.....
Not really. Early in the season, trout tend to gorge themselves on snails. I've
taken plenty of spring brookies that had snails in their bellies. One May,
fishing in the ORKNEY ISLANDS, we caught skinny brown trout after skinny brown
trout whose bellies were full of tiny snail shells.>>
Well, that explains it, Gary. Orkney Islands. Would love to do
that some day. I have never heard of snails being used to catch
trout in the States, but I bet *someone* has. <G>
Dave LaCourse
j...@primeline.com
xo...@spamthis.com wrote:
>
> Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I wanted
> to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
> but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
> are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
>
>
Jason Borger did a whole article on tying snail patterns in a recent issue
(Jan 99) of Fly Fish America. Check with your local flyshop - they may still
have a copy. Best of all, it is free. They also have a website
http://www.flyfishamerica.com
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Paul Kerr
Xochi wrote:
> Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I wanted
> to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
> but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
> are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
I've always found the Black and Peacock Spider a great snail fly, it's a breeze
to tie.
Sizes 18 - 10
Body: Bronze peacock herl
Hackle: Black hen
Silk: Black
Use around six strands of herl twisted around the silk and wrap it around the
hook in a criss cross pattern. Tie it the same size as the natural you need
only cover the part of the hook shank up by the eye.
Tie in the black hen hackle sparsley, and that's it.
Some people include polystyrene bubbles to make it float for the odd occasion
when the snails are floating on the surface.
I've seen another pattern of just black silk wrapped around the hook shank to
form the snail shape and then covered in black head cemment.
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John Steel
Xochi wrote:
> Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I wanted
> to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
> but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
> are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
If you go to http://www.FLYANGLERSONLINE.com and then open their archives of
The Fly of the Week; in the third quarter of 1998 is a pattern called "Rainy's
Snail".
It's an extremely realistic pattern and some very good, detailed directions
are given as to how to tie it.
Jack
Jim Robinson
>
><<Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I
wanted
>to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
>but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
>are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?>>
Floating Snail from the Fly Tyers Companion devised by Cliff Henry
Hook: 10-14 wide gape
Thread: black
Body: shaped cork, balsa, (foam?),covered with stripped peacock herl, 2
turns unstipped herl @ head end.
shape body kinda like this < , slit, glue to hook. Tie in stripped herl,
wrap body. Tie in a couple unstripped herl at head end of body. coat
stripped herl to strengthen if desired.
If you try it let us know how it worked out.
Jim
Gillaroo
We use this in Scotland and Ireland- well I do anyway, and it is the simplest
fly in the world to tie.
Wet fly hook about size ten, run silk to the bend, tie in 4 or 5 peacock herls
by the tip, run silk to eye, twist herls to a rope, wind the rope forward to
the eye, tie off, one turn of soft black hen hackle, whip finish, and Bob's
your aunty!!
Herl can be a little brittle, and a trout's teeth can rip one to shreds, but
the materials are so utterly cheap and plentiful, and the fly so easy it
doesnt matter!
Gillaroo
Chris Shelton
I devised a pattern which resembles snails attached to grass. I call it
"The Snag". It consists simply of a piece of black neoprene tied in "Booby"
style at the eye of the hook. The ends are fashioned into cones ( resembling
a pair of snails sitting side by side). At the tail I attach several strands
of olive marabu. Use fairly long marabu so that there is enough to wind
partially up the shank towards the neoprene. Half way up the shank attach
more marabu and repeat the process. At the eye, attach a few more pieces of
marabu. The snag is to be fished either statically or dead, dead slow.
Imagine a piece of grass drifting in the water with snails attached to it.
Brace yourself for some vicious takes. Have fun!!
Regards
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Xochi <xo...@spamthis.com>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying
Date: 22 February 1999 11:28
Subject: Snail Pattern?
>
>Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I wanted
>to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
>but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
>are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
>
Xochi wrote in message ...
>
Big Al
John Steel wrote in message <36D2377B...@home.com>...
>
>
>Xochi wrote:
>
>> Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I
wanted
>> to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
>> but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
>> are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
>
of
>The Fly of the Week; in the third quarter of 1998 is a pattern called
"Rainy's
>Snail".
>
>It's an extremely realistic pattern and some very good, detailed directions
>are given as to how to tie it.
>
>Jack
seen, and excellent directions. Looks good enough to sauté in garlic and
butter, and call it escargot.
Big Al
here fishy, fishy, fishy
Xochi
> (snipped)
>
> Well, that explains it, Gary. Orkney Islands. Would love to do
> that some day. I have never heard of snails being used to catch
> trout in the States, but I bet *someone* has. <G>
Whatever. FWIW, what prompted me to ask was the number of references
I've seen in stillwater trout fishing resources to snails as an important
part of the trout's diet. I'm sure this varies from water to water somewhat
kind of like the importance of scuds but it sounds like and extremely
valuable pattern to have _especially_ since Dave's (and so many other anglers
I'd guess) never heard/thought of it. ;) The two sources I can remember
off hand are Borger and LaFontaine, two pretty good sources, IMHO.
DavPLaC
Xochi:
<<Whatever. FWIW, what prompted me to ask was the number of references
I've seen in stillwater trout fishing resources to snails as an important
part of the trout's diet. I'm sure this varies from water to water somewhat
kind of like the importance of scuds but it sounds like and extremely
valuable pattern to have _especially_ since Dave's (and so many other anglers
I'd guess) never heard/thought of it. ;) The two sources I can remember
off hand are Borger and LaFontaine, two pretty good sources, IMHO.>>
I can never remember seeing snails in any of the waters I have fished.
Doesn't mean they aren't there -- just that I've never noticed them.
This is an interesting thread, because it has made me aware of a
new possible food source for trout/salmon. I *will* be checking for
them and if I find any, you *know* I will tie something up.
Dave LaCourse
Jack/Barbara Kowalski
patterns. One is theBorger peacock and brown hen hackle that many have
mentioned. The second is the same but substituting peocock colored cactus
chenile. The third is the fly called the Spring Creek Special which is
similar to Borger's fly. All are productive is you fish them right--very
slowly.
John Kowalski
Xochi wrote in message ...
>
Ralph H
Flies"
Basically a thick body of bronze peacock herl on a short
shank hook. A rib of copper wire and a few turns of Brown
Hackle.
BTW trout in lakes do take snails freely. Rainbowd eat small
snails but I've caught Brook trout that felt like their
belly's were full of pebbles.
Ralph H
LRFLYSHOP
on snail fishing. He had 2 really simple patterns. One for a dry fly and the
other for a wet fly. If interested, I could send you a picture and recipe for
each.
Xochi
> In article <yy1d832...@bamboo.verinet.com>,
> xo...@spamthis.com wrote:
> >
> > Based on some of the instructional material I've seen this winter, I wanted
> > to try some snail patterns this year on some of my favorite stillwaters,
> > but I can't find any patterns! Anyone have any good snail patterns that
> > are effective and somewhat straightforward to tie?
> >
> >
>
> Jason Borger did a whole article on tying snail patterns in a recent issue
> (Jan 99) of Fly Fish America. Check with your local flyshop - they may still
> have a copy. Best of all, it is free. They also have a website
> http://www.flyfishamerica.com
>
Actually, they have the article on-line at the website! :
http://www.flyfishamerica.com/NationalArticles/JasonBorgerEscargot/BorgerEscargot.html
It was an excellent article! Thanks for the pointer!
j...@primeline.com
Glad to help. When I checked they didn't have the article on-line so glad to
hear that it is there now. Are snails mostly a western food source or will you
find them in eastern lakes and ponds?
-John