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BluesRevue

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May 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/10/97
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Anyone know of any sources for legal jungle cock necks? I've heard that
they are available again ... any info would be helpful. Also looking for
the history of jungle cock and why it was illegal ... when did it go
illegal ... any suggestions on who to talk with would be helpful. Please
email to following.

thanks, Bob Vorel
email: Blues...@aol.com

JMorri5756

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May 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/19/97
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Bob,
Here is what the book "International Guide to Flytying Materials" says
about Jungle cock.....
"Jungle Cock: The cock bird of this wild chicken from India provides the
extraordinary 'enamelled' eye feathers (sometimes called nail
feathers),that feature in the cheeks and of so many traditional salmon fly
patterns.
The bird is now strictly protected and banned from importation into the UK
and US, but feathers are available from domestically reared stock." then
it goes on to talk about the history and substitutes for it as well as
where it is available in the US, UK, and several other countries. For the
US it lists cabela, Hunter, Fly & Field and a few more. Hope I could be
of help and for any other info I would try to find the book, it is written
by Robert Spaight and Barry Ord Clarke and published by Merlin Unwin
Books.
Good Luck.
John

Jan Erik Frithjofsen

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May 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/20/97
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In Hunters's Fly tying catalog you can find it on page 6. Hope it is
true that the source is domestic grown birds!!

Jan Erik

Phil Jones

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May 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/21/97
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BluesRevue <blues...@aol.com> wrote:

>Anyone know of any sources for legal jungle cock necks? I've heard that
>they are available again ... any info would be helpful. Also looking for
>the history of jungle cock and why it was illegal ... when did it go
>illegal ... any suggestions on who to talk with would be helpful.


I understand that the jungle cock is one of a number of species whose
international trade is outlawed under CITES (C...[*] on International
Trade in Endangered Species) but that it isn't actually an endangered
species.

[*] Think of a word for "agreement", beginning with "C"..

Apparently they are quite common in India but the legislation is written
in such a way that whole groups of species are included in the
restrictions, unless they are specifically excluded. It needs someone
to establish the true position and, if appropriate, make a case for
their exclusion from the restrictions.

Are they really difficult to come by in America? They can be bought
quite easily in UK. I bought a cape recently for 20 UK pounds - home
grown by a fellow fishing club member. Even such home-grown capes
cannot, however, be sent overseas because the restriction is on
international trade.

--
Phil Jones
Swansea, South Wales

fearless_leader

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May 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/23/97
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It IS true... Also in Angler's Workshop catalog - two grades - +/- $175

In article <5lt5g0$cd6$1...@o.online.no>, xan...@online.no says...

Joe2455

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May 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/24/97
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I missed the beginning of this thread, but Kaufmann carries Jungle Cock on
page 92 of their catalog for $135.

The description is "...grown genetically in England especially for the fly
tying trade".

Good luck,

Joe

Phil Jones

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May 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/26/97
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Mmm... It was my understanding that even this trade was caught by the
international agreement (CITES). I'll make further enquiries of my
friends in UK Customs. (Can't have our prices distorted by demand from
America!)

--
Phil Jones
Swansea, South Wales, UK

Phil Jones

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Jun 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/23/97
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>Joe2455 <joe...@aol.com> wrote:

>>I missed the beginning of this thread, but Kaufmann carries Jungle Cock on
>>page 92 of their catalog for $135.
>>
>>The description is "...grown genetically in England especially for the fly
>>tying trade".


Phil Jones <p...@ynystawe.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Mmm... It was my understanding that even this trade was caught by the
>international agreement (CITES). I'll make further enquiries of my
>friends in UK Customs. (Can't have our prices distorted by demand from
>America!)


Have made enquiries. Apparently this trade *is* covered by CITES but
the export of UK-produced Jungle Cock to USA is allowed under licence
(unfortunately!). Isn't anyone producing them in USA?

--
Phil Jones

Mike Hogue

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Jun 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/25/97
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For what it 's worth a UK source told me that jc still comes from India (
da!) . and that the problem is not due to Indian supplies but a limit as
to how much an importer can bring into the UK. Importers here in the US,
are also limited as the number they can bring in each year.

I was told that some grade 4 JC skins sell for about $15 in India but no
one will touch these as they are limited as to how many they can bring in.
The price gets higher because of going from broker to broker in 3
countries and the hassle of doing the papers which is about $35 a pop. Add
transportation charges, currency swap and some Indians' ever famous way of
doing business and you can see why they are $125.......Anyway I am also
told that one larger grower is working on jc skins for some time in the
future........breeding I guess is hassle. Mike

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