Spiderwire in salt water?
M Lap
Does anyone have any experience with fish being "line shy" towards
Spiderwire or any of the other braided or fused lines?
Are some brands better than others?
Are some species more shy than others?
Does a monofilament leader help?
To what degree is water clarity a factor?
Please reply directly and to the group. Answers will be posted in an
upcoming article on the Avid Outdoors web site.
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Thanks!
Mike Lapierre
out...@ultranet.com
Rob
My salt water experience with braided stuff was like this... I used three
types Spiderwire and Dacron and Kevlar. What I found was the Dacron
didn't hold up very well. It started to tear easily after one season of
little use. Dacron worked well when bottom fishing but not for anything
else. The Spiderwire was better than the Dacron it held up better, but
the the line started the cut into the eyes of my rod. The Kevlar was tuff
stuff but just like the Spiderwire, and even worse, it was wearing a
groove in the eyes. The braided stuff is very abrasive. So, with out
going into much detail, I felt I didn't get my monies worth from these
lines. I have since went back to mono... and have found Berkley Big Game
line to stand up to all my needs all my rods are set up with it. Check it
out. Rob
philjack
Rob wrote:
> Please reply directly and to the group. Answers will be posted in an
> > upcoming article on the Avid Outdoors web site.
> > http://www.avidoutdoors.com
> > Thanks!
> > Mike Lapierre
> > out...@ultranet.com
> the the line started the cut into the eyes of my rod. The Kevlar was tuff
> stuff but just like the Spiderwire, and even worse, it was wearing a
> groove in the eyes. The braided stuff is very abrasive.
Mike & Rob-
The only guides on the market that will hold up to the gel spun (and
Kevlar) lines are Fuji Silicon Carbide (SIC) or the new (and very
expensive) Fuji Gold Cermet guides. Hope this helps.
Regards,
--
Phil Koenig
Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd.
http://fishdoc.com
"I'm the boss, so WHATEVER I say is OK."
Critterdoc
Phil,
Any experience with braids on roller guides? I have one all roller-guide
rod rigged with spectra-80 that is used for bottom/rig fishing in the
gulf of mexico, and cannot identify any wear whatsoever on the rollers.
Other than the occassional breakoff when amberjack successfully run for
cover, the line seems to be holding up well.
--
Michael
philjack
Critterdoc wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Any experience with braids on roller guides? I have one all roller-guide
> rod rigged with spectra-80 that is used for bottom/rig fishing in the
> gulf of mexico, and cannot identify any wear whatsoever on the rollers.
>
> Other than the occassional breakoff when amberjack successfully run for
> cover, the line seems to be holding up well.
>
> --
> Michael
Michael-
I doubt the rollers would be affected precisely because they roll and
therefore would eliminate the "sawing" action of these lines. If it
becomes a problem (and I doubt it will) you could replace the rollers
with the "hard" rollers meant for wire line. Sorry i wasn't clear on
this in the original post.
philjack
Critterdoc wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Any experience with braids on roller guides? I have one all roller-guide
> rod rigged with spectra-80 that is used for bottom/rig fishing in the
> gulf of mexico, and cannot identify any wear whatsoever on the rollers.
>
> Other than the occassional breakoff when amberjack successfully run for
> cover, the line seems to be holding up well.
>
> --
> Michael
Michael-
I doubt the rollers would be affected precisely because they roll and
therefore would eliminate the "sawing" action of these lines. If it
becomes a problem (and I doubt it will) you could replace the rollers
with the "hard" rollers meant for wire line. Sorry I wasn't clear on
James Beck
James Beck wrote:
Rob I agree that spiderwire is junk in sdaltwater with the one exception
which is deep sea rock fishing. Calico Bass and SandBass just dont bite
on the crap and the line does wear away guides. As far as heavy mono
line for saltwater I highly recommend Ande fishing line over Berkeley
Big Game. In fact I consider Berkeley Big Game to be some of the worst
heavy line available although I do like the Berkeley XL. An important
thing about Ande however is to buy the regular line and not the
tournament stuff. I have found the regular to be much more supple and
reliable.
Good luck
comments? jb...@scf.usc.edu
leny
In article <334AB0...@scf.usc.edu>, James Beck <jb...@scf.usc.edu> wrote:
>James Beck wrote:
>on the crap and the line does wear away guides. As far as heavy mono
>line for saltwater I highly recommend Ande fishing line over Berkeley
>Big Game. In fact I consider Berkeley Big Game to be some of the worst
>heavy line available although I do like the Berkeley XL. An important
>thing about Ande however is to buy the regular line and not the
>tournament stuff. I have found the regular to be much more supple and
>reliable.
I notice that when I despooled my reels of Berkely Pink, the mono made
big circles as it lay on the floor. When I pulled some Ande off the
spool, it made tight circles. Both the spool and reel spool are about
the same diameter. Does this mean Ande has more line memory? Which is
better for casting? Is Ande a more supple line after it has been wet
awhile? When dry it sure feels stiffer than Berkley. This is
confusing but I changed to Ande 'cause those who know more than I say
it's better for casting. I'll find out soon enough.
Thanks.
gamma Daniels
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I love the smell of baitfish in the morning. Smells like... Saturday!!
bill todd
Mike,
I'm not sure what you consider saltwater, however...
Last summer we fished 2 rodeo's in Southwest Louisiana's Vermillion Bay and
just South of the Southwest Pass of Marsh Island. We fished mostly on the
bottom of the hard oyster reefs surrounding Marsh Island, in search of the
"bull reds". The Spiderwire we used gave us hours of fishing time that we
would have normally lost due to snags and hang-ups (not to mention loosing
a running redfish that pulls your line into the razor-sharp reefs). The
mono lines we used to use would be cut-up so bad (from the reefs) that any
5 pound red could easily break your line. The Spiderwire we use now can
pull up half the reef with a snag!!!!
We didn't catch any tournament fish in those 6 days, but it wasn't because
the reds were afraid of the line. We caught a "good mess 'o fish" and I
plan to stick with the tough line for tough fishing!
--
Bill Todd
susana...@worldnet.att.net
P.S. The best part about fishing Spiderwire in SW Lousiana, is the Redfish
Courtbullion!!!!!!
>M Lap <out...@ma.ultranet.com> wrote in article
><334974...@ma.ultranet.com>...
> Does anyone have any experience with fish being "line shy" towards
> Spiderwire or any of the other braided or fused lines?
>
> Are some brands better than others?
>
> Are some species more shy than others?
>
> Does a monofilament leader help?
>
> To what degree is water clarity a factor?
>
Madison
I have fish a good deal in SC with spiderwire for redfish and it works
great! I have caught a lot of fish that I would have otherwise lost. The
fish seem to not see it.
I have also fished in the Florida Keys with Spiderwire. It worked great on
tarpon, barracuda, sharks, etc. The water is extremely clear down there
and it worked great. I had no problem with the fish shying off my lures.
As far as the brand goes, I would recomend Spiderwire over all other
brands. It seems to work the best out of the ones I've tried. I like to
use the 20 or 30 pound test line with the 6 lb. diameter. I use the rods
designed for spiderwire and it doesn't dig in to the guides. My regular
rods don't have a problem with that either.
Charles Andreski
"Madison" <tea...@sccoast.net> wrote:
I have been using the braids for about 3 years and I have not noticed
any wear on my Fuji Hardloy guides. I built these rods myself. This
makes me wonder about the quality of the guides used in production
rods.
har...@flash.net
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:42:39 GMT, andr...@mindspring.com (Charles
Andreski) wrote:
>
I have been using 10#/4# Fireline for trout and reds about a year. I
have used it mostly on 1/16 to 1/4 jigs. It has really been terrific.
The sensitivity increases hookups especially in the winter when the
bites are soft. Solid bites are even more noticeable with this line.
I have been using a 20# mono leader when fising around shell, as the
braid seems more easily cut or nicked. I use a 10# mono backing on my
Chronarch, with only 75 yards of Fireline. Even though the Fireline
lasts longer than mono, I still replace it before its gets too far
down in the spool. Using backing keeps the cost down, keeps fresher
line in my casting line and keeps my casting line near the "full"
portion of the reel.
John Harris
Jarret Guill
I just set up a rig very similar to Johns. I setup a Calcutta 250 with
Fireline 20# for touts(1/16-1/4) aimed at reds and specs(Texas bays). I
also am experimenting with fluorocarbon leader lines. I can definitely
say the fireline+fluorcarbon gives you unprecedented sensitivity over
mono. The fluorocarbon seems more abrasion resistant and is very hard.
If you are new to braid/fused lines make sure you get used to the
instantaneous response. You will have to adjust your hook-set timing and
not set the hook on every piece of grass, shell, and bump that you would
have never felt with mono.
GiG Em'
Jarret Guill
Texas A&M University
Dept. Electrical Engineering
mailto:dgu...@tamu.edu
12:12am CST Friday 4-18-97
> >
> I have been using 10#/4# Fireline for trout and reds about a year.
Jack Turley
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:28:45 GMT, har...@flash.net wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 17:42:39 GMT, andr...@mindspring.com (Charles
>Andreski) wrote:
>
>>
>Even though the Fireline
>lasts longer than mono, I still replace it before its gets too far
>down in the spool. Using backing keeps the cost down, keeps fresher
>line in my casting line and keeps my casting line near the "full"
>portion of the reel.
I'm a saltwater surf fisherman and I've been using Fireline (6# and
10#) over a year now. It's terrific stuff but it does get frayed
dragging over sand and rocks. I too use backing on my spinning reel
and load about 75 yards of Fireline over that. When it gets
sufficiently worn, I peel off the 75 yards and wind on fresh Fireline.
This way I get twice as much usage out of one new spool of Fireline
Why put all that expensive extra line on the spool when it won't be
used?
I connect the Fireline to the backing (8 or 10 pound mono) with a
bloodknot and so far it's held very well.
william verry
IMHO Spiderwire is productive and cost effective. BUT Spiderwire only
lasts two seasons for me, and that's only if I turn the line over for
the second season. The first season, the stuff is difficult to cut with
anything, by the end of the season it cuts quite easily. It saves me
money when jigging for cod. Most snags that would have claimed my $20
jigs are not a problem with the Spiderwire, just don't try to pull on it
with an ungloved hand or a rod that you hope to use again!
WARNING Whatever you buy, don't be tempted by a product called RAPTOR,
which is sold by Sports Authority stores in the US. It resist abrasion
poorly, shreds, deteriorates, and the diameter for the product is off by
a factor of 8 to 10 times what is claimed. If all you want is low
stretch, it will give you that, but otherwise the stuff is sized like
dacron and holds up like yarn!
-Bill
Michael Fitzgerald, V.M.D.
Jarret Guill wrote:
>
> I just set up a rig very similar to Johns. I setup a Calcutta 250 with
> Fireline 20# for touts(1/16-1/4) aimed at reds and specs(Texas bays). I
> also am experimenting with fluorocarbon leader lines. I can definitely
> say the fireline+fluorcarbon gives you unprecedented sensitivity over
> mono. The fluorocarbon seems more abrasion resistant and is very hard.
> If you are new to braid/fused lines make sure you get used to the
> instantaneous response. You will have to adjust your hook-set timing and
> not set the hook on every piece of grass, shell, and bump that you would
> have never felt with mono.
>
> GiG Em'
> Jarret Guill
>
> Texas A&M University
> Dept. Electrical Engineering
> mailto:dgu...@tamu.edu
> 12:12am CST Friday 4-18-97
Throw in the additional benefit of f'carbon leader material having a refractive index
very close to that of water and you've got a theoretically superior product, even at
30-75 cents per foot.
--
Michael Fitzgerald, V.M.D., a/k/a Critterdoc
Driftwood Animal Hospital
Tom Fischer
I use Spiderwire when trolling for salmon in Puget Sound. When you're
line is in the downrigger at 100+feet, the no-stretch property of
Spiderwire really helps with hookups. I definately recommend Spiderwire
for downrigging.
I stick with mono if I'm doing any casting, whatsoever.
Tom