Propane vs Liquid Fuel
jr...@webtv.net
would apprecriate some guidance as to which fuel source to consider.
For now, I will be tent camping. Thanks.
bobbie
Ed Huesers
I prefer the iso/butane stoves as they are a lot easier to use. They
do cost a little more to use than the liquid stoves, but hey.
One argument against propane is that in cold [winter] camping, the
propane has a hard time evaporating and the stove will not burn as hot
as it would at summer temperatures. However, I camp in igloos in the
winter and find the propane to work just fine because of the warmth
achieved inside the igloo.
Ed Huesers
http://www.grandshelters.com
Steve Kotter
At www.tirelesstrekker.com we have a number of stoves and lanterns both with
gas and liquid fuel. A lot of companies now give you the option of being
able to have a stove and then switching to a lantern with the same fuel
source when you are done with the first. Snow Peak makes a great system
like this, as well as Primus and Camping Gaz. It's great because you don't
have to have two seperate fuel sources. If you are just starting out, I
would recomend the Camping Gaz line. It's relatively inexpensive and very
durable. Please email me for more info. If you were interested in both a
stove and a lantern, then we could put together a package deal for you. We
offer a hassle free return policy as well as prepaid return shipping if you
want to return it.
best regards,
Steve
<jr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I am new to camping and looking to purchase a stove and lantern. I
> would apprecriate some guidance as to which fuel source to consider.
> For now, I will be tent camping. Thanks.
>
> bobbie
>
Abernathey Family
>
> I am new to camping and looking to purchase a stove and lantern. I
> would apprecriate some guidance as to which fuel source to consider.
> For now, I will be tent camping. Thanks.
Liquid fuel has about twice the BTUs per weight as propane and this
matters if you're going to be out for a while and you have to carry
your fuel on your back.
Gas lanterns have more light output than propane, run longer and are
just as easy to use as propane.
Gas stoves are another story, especially Colemans. They have a nasty
habit of "snorking" out for no apparent reason and if you don't close
the fuel valve it will flood (and it's a pain to have to dump it out
and relight). Propane, since it is a gas, just disperses.
I personally use Gas lanterns exclusively, and a gas stove when all I
want is hot water/coffee. If I'm going to set up camp and do heavy
duty cooking I use my 3 burner cast iron propane stove.
Thank you
Don Abernathey
Rick Courtright
> Gas stoves are another story, especially Colemans. They have a nasty
> habit of "snorking" out for no apparent reason and if you don't close
> the fuel valve it will flood (and it's a pain to have to dump it out
> and relight). Propane, since it is a gas, just disperses.
Hi, Don
Do you rinse the tank and put in fresh fuel at least once a year? (Assuming the stove is
in storage for a while between uses.) There are five Coleman stoves in my garage, and
the only one that ever exhibited this fine trait you describe had some contaminated fuel
(long story.)
Also, it's a good idea to fire up the stove on full flame for a few minutes once in a
while to get the generator good and hot and burn out carbon, especially if you're using
auto fuel in a dual fuel model (I'd suggest you use Coleman fuel anyway--generator will
last much longer and you'll have fewer toxic exhaust gases.) Tap the generator a couple
of times with a stick or screwdriver while the stove's going full blast and you'll see
the prettiest spark show--all carbon particles coming out of the generator and burner.
Finally, I always make sure the tank is pumped up to the point it's starting to get hard
to pump, especially if I plan to simmer for a while. Using these techniques, my Colemans
are very well behaved, even the oldest two made in the late 50's or early 60's!
HTH,
Rick
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I am looking for the extra heavy type found on luggage and better
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I need a custom bag made for a piece of odd sized equipment and my
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Any help would be appreciated.
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Before you buy.
Abernathey Family
Hey thank you for the information! I'll give it a try. This "snorking"
(thats what it sounds like to me) problem has bugged me for years.
Thank you
Don Abernathey
David W. Swager
> would apprecriate some guidance as to which fuel source to consider.
> For now, I will be tent camping. Thanks.
>
>
Since the liquid has a much higher heat content it typicall burns hotter and
lasts longer in similar applications. I would opt for propane if your
camping is less frequent and of shorter duration. As the stays get longer
and more frequent, you may find some of the mess and inconvience of liquid
is more than offset by the benefits.
DsrtTravlr
wrote:
>I am new to camping and looking to purchase a stove and lantern. I
>would apprecriate some guidance as to which fuel source to consider.
>For now, I will be tent camping. Thanks.
Let me share what I do.
I get a used Coleman stove at a yard sale. A good one has no rust, and is all
there. The old ones are nearly bulletproof, and go from 5-15 bucks. Get a
Primus adapter to use the little one pound canisters. Then if you want, you
can get a whip to hook it to a bottle. You can get BBQ propane bottles at yard
sales for about two bucks. Look at the date stamp. The tanks are good for 12
years.
So, for about $35, you got one tough stove with a tank that will last for a
month of camping. You can buy smaller tanks.
The new stoves are flimsy, from what I have seen. Mine is about ten years old
now, and going strong.
Or go buy a new one. I like propane over gas. Much simpler.
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
Steven C. Karoly
watching accidents with gasoline-fired stoves in the military for 20
years, I like a fuel that's realitively safe and easy to use. Propane
fits that bill. About six months after we went into Bosnia, three of the
first six American soldiers killed in the line of duty were cooks. They
burned to death in a kitchen fire and explosion. The Army (and the
Seabees where I served) were still using the old M2 burner unit, which
was fueled by gasoline.
I like the larger Camp Chef ( http://www.campchef.com/ ) and Outdoor
Cooker stoves. They're 30,000 BTU powerhouses. And they don't take up
that much room, especially if you have a trailer or a pick up.
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MSCS Steven C. Karoly, USNR, Ret.
Contributing Editor, Camp and Outdoor Cooking on Suite101
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/camp_outdor_cooking
jr...@webtv.net wrote:
> I am new to camping and looking to purchase a stove and lantern. I
> would apprecriate some guidance as to which fuel source to consider.
> For now, I will be tent camping. Thanks.
>
> bobbie
jr...@webtv.net
decision...going with the propane for the type of camping that I will be
doing. You all have been most helpful.
bobbie
Recycle This
cartridge, so you could hike five miles from the nearest road and find
that you're out. I've never considered the propane cartridge appliances
as backpacking gear.
DsrtTravlr
wrote:
Well, this IS the camping newsgroup, rather than the backpacking newsgroup,
isn't it?
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
Lou W.
DsrtTravlr <dsrtt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Then again there isn't a group specific to backpacking only.
Rec. backcountry come close though. Maybe its time?
Bruce W.1
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Ronin
Recycle This wrote:
> You can't tell how much fuel is in a propane
> cartridge, so you could hike five miles from the nearest road and find
> that you're out.
Why can't one tell? It's easy enough to weigh a canister and keep track of
usage. I weigh and date my canisters. Then weigh and date them again at
home after a trip. I can tell how much gas I have left and how long it will
last to an exacting degree.
It does take time to learn how your particular stove and needs affect
usage.
> I've never considered the propane cartridge appliances
> as backpacking gear.
Depends. Personally I use Iso/But instead of propane.
Ronin.
cy...@visi.com
sort of feel its movement. But then I canoe or car camp when cooking
(mostly I don't bother to cook in summer) and can always have an extra
container of fuel along.
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Chuck
Bobbie,
One issue I haven't come across yet in this thread is that the small
propane cylinders are not recyclable or reusable, and MUST be treated as
hazardous waste. This is becoming a significant problem in some parks,
to the extent that there is some consideration to banning them them. I
use a propane stove, (easier and more convenient for my wife) connected
to a BBQ type tank. It's refillable, and doesn't need replacing every
second meal.
Enjoy your camping.
Chuck
Phil
<scka...@seabeecook.com> wrote:
>I switched to propane four years ago, primarily for safety. After
>watching accidents with gasoline-fired stoves in the military for 20
>years, I like a fuel that's realitively safe and easy to use. Propane
>fits that bill. About six months after we went into Bosnia, three of the
>first six American soldiers killed in the line of duty were cooks. They
>burned to death in a kitchen fire and explosion. The Army (and the
>Seabees where I served) were still using the old M2 burner unit, which
>was fueled by gasoline.
>
>I like the larger Camp Chef ( http://www.campchef.com/ ) and Outdoor
>Cooker stoves. They're 30,000 BTU powerhouses. And they don't take up
>that much room, especially if you have a trailer or a pick up.
But if you use those little disposable propane tanks isn't it like
carrying little bombs around with you in your car? They always caution
you not to leave a propane BBQ tank in an enclosed area like a garage.
Other than the lower volume of gas, how are the disposables safer?
Being disposable, I can't believe the valves are better than those on
reusable propane tanks.
che...@high.noon
and now a 1 gallon around in my campmobile for years and have never
had a concern. They stay in there all the time, and it gets up to 100
degrees where I live. Propane tanks have expansion space in them, so
you should not have any trouble unless you toss them in the fire.
Pete Dumbleton
leaking gas will settle and "pool" at explosive mixtures whereas in the
open it will disperse much better. The little tanks have auto-closing
valves on them and are probably less prone to leakage due to human
failure. All speculation on my part...
DsrtTravlr
looks like the inflator on a bicycle tire. The difference between this valve,
and one on a bicycle tire is that this one is reversed. You can push on the
pin all you want, but cannot get the gas out. You have to PULL the pin
outwards.
What does all this mean, Mr. Science? It means, boys, and girls, that when the
pressure on the inside of the tank gets too high, the valve lets a little gas
go. This is dangerous, particular in what OSHA calls a
"confined space", and is not without hazards.
But they are not bombs. They have a relief valve that will let go far sooner
than the metal wall. And as plainly stated in the instructions on the darn
thing, do not put the thing where it will get hot. DUH ! ! !
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
DsrtTravlr
wrote:
>One issue I haven't come across yet in this thread is that the small
>propane cylinders are not recyclable or reusable, and MUST be treated as
>hazardous waste.
Is this why Cabela's, Northern Tools, and many companies sell the refilling
adapter for them?
Just curious.
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
Lou W.
Reminds me of the stuff one could buy in "head shops". Buy
all
the pipes and stuff you wanted but it was illegal to use them.
Follow
me folks? Same thing with the refill adapters. You can sell them
its
just against the law to use them to refill a canister. I guess
technically you
could refill the small tanks but it is against the law to
transport
them once refilled.
Lou
Phil
Thanks for the explanation but I still think I'll stick to my Coleman
fuel stove and lantern.
DsrtTravlr
>fuel stove and lantern.
>
BINGO ! ! ! Everyone should use what they prefer, what they know how to run,
and what they feel safe and confident operating. These things will hurt you,
you know.
Steve
Illegitimi non carborundum.
Wackorama
with propane, and I know that Coleman fuel deserves some caution, but it's
worked well for me, and I can't see switching over at this point -
especially for winter camping.
In addition, if you can handle the weight of the Coleman Duel Fuel line of
products, you can run your lanterns and stoves on unleaded gas. I'm not
saying I want to run out and burn Exxon tomorrow, but when the hurricane
hits, you do have some readily available survival options.
Cya! Wacko!
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> >Thanks for the explanation but I still think I'll stick to my Coleman
> >fuel stove and lantern.
> >
>
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