Baron vs Baronet
Mila Little
The title of Baronet was invented, I think in the 1700s, as a way of
raising money. ie the British govt sold off the titles to anyone with
enough cash.
Aelfwyn.
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Zebee Johnstone
: ae...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Mila Little) wrote:
: > The title of Baronet was invented, I think in the 1700s, as a way of
: > raising money. ie the British govt sold off the titles to anyone with
: > enough cash.
: It does, however, seem that the term was used in England in the
: Middle Ages as well. It has never been made clear to me (and I
: suspect nobody really knows) what the occasional reference to a
: baronet really means.
Could it be a mixup with "knight banneret"? Or is that also
a post-period thing?
Silfren
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Susan Carroll-Clark
Aelfwyn is close...the title of baronet was created in the early
1600's (17th century) by James I to raise money. There were several
groups of baronetcies available after that, but the original group got
to put the Red Hand of Ulster on their arms--so spotting the baronet
was easy.
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Brent B. McCrackin
> ae...@cfn.cs.dal.ca (Mila Little) wrote:
>
> > The title of Baronet was invented, I think in the 1700s, as a way of
> > raising money. ie the British govt sold off the titles to anyone with
> > enough cash.
Which gives me an interesting idea to help raise money for the Society.
There exists an option for members to take out a Contributing Membership
from the Registry. Aside from being listed in TI once a year, there's no
real incentive for people to have Contributing Memberships.
Why not allow Contributing Members to entitle themselves "Baronet"?
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Doesn't that seem, well, alien? I really like the idea that the re-creation
side and the mundane side are separate. Would a title that was bought
really mean anything at all? Bleah.
People complain about our recognition system for a lot of reasons. But at
least it recognizes something about ourselves. Bleah.
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> The title of Baronet was invented, I think in the 1700s, as a way of
> raising money. ie the British govt sold off the titles to anyone with
> enough cash.
The modern sort of baronet is just that -- King James I's way (in the
early 1600s, not 1700s) to raise a bit of cash to finance plantations
in Ireland (red hand baronets) and Nova Scotia (cross of St Andrew
baronets). Since the cash went directly to the King (the Sovereign is,
in English law, the Fountain of All Honour), he could raise money this
way without bothering Parliaments' pretty little heads.
Whether "anyone with enough cash" could have bought a baronetcy is
debatable. Earldoms they'd sell to anyone (vid. the Spencers), but
I think some snobbishness was applied to baronetcies.
It does, however, seem that the term was used in England in the
Middle Ages as well. It has never been made clear to me (and I
suspect nobody really knows) what the occasional reference to a
baronet really means.
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Quoting "BrentB.McCrackin"<bmccrach from a message in rec.org.sca
> > > The title of Baronet was invented, I think in the 1700s, as a way
>of > > raising money. ie the British govt sold off the titles to
>anyone with > > enough cash.
> Which gives me an interesting idea to help raise money for the Society.
> There exists an option for members to take out a Contributing
>Membership from the Registry. Aside from being listed in TI once a
>year, there's no real incentive for people to have Contributing
>Memberships.
> Why not allow Contributing Members to entitle themselves "Baronet"?
Because it isn't period.
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>
>Could it be a mixup with "knight banneret"? Or is that also
>a post-period thing?
>
>Silfren
Knight Banneret is a term from around the period of the crusades.
Baronet is a term from, I guess the 1700s. Definitely post period
anyway. I recall recently searching the libraries for info on the form
and use of Arms in period and finding a book on family crests and
Knights and Baronets of England.
It didn't include any pre 1600 info so I did nothing more than skim it,
but I do clearly recall the use of the word Baronet. Particularly the
word was in association with individuals who had 'obtained (recently, in
association with the obtaining of the title) Arms through the King of
Arms' or whatever the title for the real British equivalent for that
position is. At the time I just thought is was some obsure hereditary
title and not something that was 'sold' to raise money. However it makes
sense that an interest among the people of the time of the Industrial
Revolution of showing their wealth and stature by obtaining personal Arms
could have led to the development of the title of 'Baronet'.
Knight Banneret is not Baronet. Knight Banneret is also not post period.
Tschuess.
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