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Basil D
Apr 4, 2021, 12:13:25 AM4/4/21
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It has come to my attention, /via third-hand say-so/, that the Board of Directors of the SCA Inc.
will not allow those putting on events to require proof of vaccination from those attending.
I should not have heard this "through the grapevine". This is /vital/ information for all those who
would participate in SCA events. This should be made public ASAP. It ought to be made the sole
information on the front page of the SCA website. It should be sent absolutely *everywhere*.
Because so long as the SCA Inc. will not protect its participants from those who are not vaccinated,
it will be Russian roulette to attend an event.
Further, as pointed out in a number of sources[1}, the current federal guideline is that an
organization cannot require its employees, students or other members to get a Covid-19 vaccine.
However, just as someone who owns, say, an amphitheater could require those using the facility to be
vaccinated, the SCA---if it dropped the Non-Member Surcharge---could require those wishing to attend
to be vaccinated, s they'd be there "just for fun". That is, if attending an event was not related
in any way to membership, those at an event are just like those going to the amphitheater.
I hope you will, at the least, see the information regarding the SCA's current take on requiring
vaccinations in widely announced.
I hope, though with grave doubts, the SCA will take my advice about how to impose vaccination
requirements. For until it does, or the USA, and any state/locale an event is held in reaches 90%+
fully vaccinated levels, I will attend no event, and recommend in the strongest terms to others that
they do not attend events.
{1] for example,
https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/
~~Basil Dragonstrike
will not allow those putting on events to require proof of vaccination from those attending.
I should not have heard this "through the grapevine". This is /vital/ information for all those who
would participate in SCA events. This should be made public ASAP. It ought to be made the sole
information on the front page of the SCA website. It should be sent absolutely *everywhere*.
Because so long as the SCA Inc. will not protect its participants from those who are not vaccinated,
it will be Russian roulette to attend an event.
Further, as pointed out in a number of sources[1}, the current federal guideline is that an
organization cannot require its employees, students or other members to get a Covid-19 vaccine.
However, just as someone who owns, say, an amphitheater could require those using the facility to be
vaccinated, the SCA---if it dropped the Non-Member Surcharge---could require those wishing to attend
to be vaccinated, s they'd be there "just for fun". That is, if attending an event was not related
in any way to membership, those at an event are just like those going to the amphitheater.
I hope you will, at the least, see the information regarding the SCA's current take on requiring
vaccinations in widely announced.
I hope, though with grave doubts, the SCA will take my advice about how to impose vaccination
requirements. For until it does, or the USA, and any state/locale an event is held in reaches 90%+
fully vaccinated levels, I will attend no event, and recommend in the strongest terms to others that
they do not attend events.
{1] for example,
https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/
~~Basil Dragonstrike
Nikolai Petrovich
Apr 4, 2021, 5:59:48 PM4/4/21
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Basil D <Bu...@example.com> on Sat, 3 Apr 2021 21:13:23 -0700 typed in
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Kingdoms. Local mundane requirements vary.
If you have gotten the injection, will you insist that those who
do not have the injection be barred from all public places?
Perhaps they should carry a bell, and strike it as they walk,
shouting "unclean, unclean" to warn all the righteous of their
possible contamination?
--
Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit
Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
rec.org.sca the following:
>It has come to my attention, /via third-hand say-so/, that the Board of Directors of the SCA Inc.
>will not allow those putting on events to require proof of vaccination from those attending.
No, they are leaving that, like so much else, up to the various
>will not allow those putting on events to require proof of vaccination from those attending.
Kingdoms. Local mundane requirements vary.
If you have gotten the injection, will you insist that those who
do not have the injection be barred from all public places?
Perhaps they should carry a bell, and strike it as they walk,
shouting "unclean, unclean" to warn all the righteous of their
possible contamination?
--
Nikolai Petrovich Flandropoff
Seneschal of Canton Bearwood
Loose Canon, An Tir Heavy Opera Company
Whimsical Order of the Ailing Wit
Scribe & Zampollet to Clan MacFlandry
Basil D
Apr 5, 2021, 5:55:34 PM4/5/21
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On 4/4/2021 2:59 PM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
> Basil D <Bu...@example.com> on Sat, 3 Apr 2021 21:13:23 -0700 typed in
> rec.org.sca the following:
>> It has come to my attention, /via third-hand say-so/, that the Board of Directors of the SCA Inc.
>> will not allow those putting on events to require proof of vaccination from those attending.
>
> No, they are leaving that, like so much else, up to the various
> Kingdoms. Local mundane requirements vary.
I have the information from more than one seneschal. There has been *N*O* public dispersal of
> Basil D <Bu...@example.com> on Sat, 3 Apr 2021 21:13:23 -0700 typed in
> rec.org.sca the following:
>> It has come to my attention, /via third-hand say-so/, that the Board of Directors of the SCA Inc.
>> will not allow those putting on events to require proof of vaccination from those attending.
>
> No, they are leaving that, like so much else, up to the various
> Kingdoms. Local mundane requirements vary.
information on this matter. What has been publicly stated has not mentioned requiring vaccination.
> If you have gotten the injection, will you insist that those who
> do not have the injection be barred from all public places?
>
> Perhaps they should carry a bell, and strike it as they walk,
> shouting "unclean, unclean" to warn all the righteous of their
> possible contamination?
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 5, 2021, 7:00:59 PM4/5/21
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>On 4/4/2021 2:59 PM, Nikolai Petrovich wrote:
>
>> If you have gotten the injection, will you insist that those who
>> do not have the injection be barred from all public places?
No; I will wear my "VACCINATED AND STILL MASKED" mask, even
>
>> If you have gotten the injection, will you insist that those who
>> do not have the injection be barred from all public places?
though it's not period. My daughter has a pattern for an
authentic plague doctor's mask; I don't know if she has made it
up yet.
It appears that June Crown Tourney may be held, limited in
numbers. Spots in the Lists may be secured by reservation/
application, for the first time in the history of the West.
And since I now need the help of two strong adults to get down
the front stairs, likely I won't go at all.
--
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Vinhold/Mists/West Vallejo, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Zebee Johnstone
Apr 5, 2021, 7:57:44 PM4/5/21
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In rec.org.sca on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:43:57 GMT
"personal stair climber". It isn't a thing you can use on your own but
it does mean that you or you in a wheelchair can get up and down steps
anywhere as long as you have transport to haul it with you and one
adult to drive it who doesn't need to be strong but does need to have
good balance.
Silfren
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>
> And since I now need the help of two strong adults to get down
> the front stairs, likely I won't go at all.
Although that is a very period solution.... Consider googling for
>
> And since I now need the help of two strong adults to get down
> the front stairs, likely I won't go at all.
"personal stair climber". It isn't a thing you can use on your own but
it does mean that you or you in a wheelchair can get up and down steps
anywhere as long as you have transport to haul it with you and one
adult to drive it who doesn't need to be strong but does need to have
good balance.
Silfren
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 5, 2021, 8:40:01 PM4/5/21
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In article <slrns6n8vn....@gmail.com>,
Would it work on a flight of outdoor, concrete steps with no railings?
Such a thing would probably work on a flight on *indoor* steps
with one railing, but since we hope to get out of this house in
the summer of 2022, it probably wouldn't pay for itself.
Before last March, I got out of the house once a week, to go to
Mass. Since then, I've gotten out I think twice to go to the
pharmacy, and twice to get my COVID shots. I spend a lot of time
in bed with a cat in my lap.
Such a thing would probably work on a flight on *indoor* steps
with one railing, but since we hope to get out of this house in
the summer of 2022, it probably wouldn't pay for itself.
Before last March, I got out of the house once a week, to go to
Mass. Since then, I've gotten out I think twice to go to the
pharmacy, and twice to get my COVID shots. I spend a lot of time
in bed with a cat in my lap.
Zebee Johnstone
Apr 5, 2021, 9:22:03 PM4/5/21
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In rec.org.sca on Tue, 6 Apr 2021 00:24:37 GMT
sits there until wanted.
I am talking about a manual handling device. It is basically a motor
with wheels and a retractable leg. It has a seat on it, or else a set
of grabbers to hang onto a wheelchair. Seat/person/wheelchair don't
touch the ground, just the climber's wheels do.
You roll it to the edge of the stair which it senses (with or without
stair node treads, so smooth or raised no issue) and stops. When you are
ready you push the button and it puts its leg on the next stair down,
and lifts its body up with person/chair/wheelchair attached. It then
moves itself forward to sit its wheels (and motor/chair/person) on the
next stair level as it retracts its leg and waits for the next order.
GOing up you do the same but the person on the lifter is facing
downstairs so goes up backwards. The driver rolls the machine back so
the machine's back wheels touch the stair riser or near to. Push the
button and the leg extends to lift everything up and back until the
climber's wheels are on the next stair tread. Driver pulls it back as
the leg retracts and it waits for the next button push.
WOrks on indoor and outdoor stairs. Mine has a 20cm step height limit
and is a bit tricky on one step which has a highish plaster nose on
one of the treads. But your standard outdoor noseless step with no
railing is no problem.
Ain't cheap so if you figure steps are not in your future it isn't
worth it. But for me living 2 flights up with an elderly mother in a
wheelchair it is beyond price.
Especially as it means we can visit relatives who have stairs.
Silfren
Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
> In article <slrns6n8vn....@gmail.com>,
> Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>In rec.org.sca on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:43:57 GMT
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And since I now need the help of two strong adults to get down
>>> the front stairs, likely I won't go at all.
>>
>>Although that is a very period solution.... Consider googling for
>>"personal stair climber". It isn't a thing you can use on your own but
>>it does mean that you or you in a wheelchair can get up and down steps
>>anywhere as long as you have transport to haul it with you and one
>>adult to drive it who doesn't need to be strong but does need to have
>>good balance.
>>
> Would it work on a flight of outdoor, concrete steps with no railings?
>
> Such a thing would probably work on a flight on *indoor* steps
> with one railing, but since we hope to get out of this house in
> the summer of 2022, it probably wouldn't pay for itself.
You are thinking of a stairlift which attaches to the staircase and
> In article <slrns6n8vn....@gmail.com>,
> Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>In rec.org.sca on Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:43:57 GMT
>>Dorothy J Heydt <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And since I now need the help of two strong adults to get down
>>> the front stairs, likely I won't go at all.
>>
>>Although that is a very period solution.... Consider googling for
>>"personal stair climber". It isn't a thing you can use on your own but
>>it does mean that you or you in a wheelchair can get up and down steps
>>anywhere as long as you have transport to haul it with you and one
>>adult to drive it who doesn't need to be strong but does need to have
>>good balance.
>>
> Would it work on a flight of outdoor, concrete steps with no railings?
>
> Such a thing would probably work on a flight on *indoor* steps
> with one railing, but since we hope to get out of this house in
> the summer of 2022, it probably wouldn't pay for itself.
sits there until wanted.
I am talking about a manual handling device. It is basically a motor
with wheels and a retractable leg. It has a seat on it, or else a set
of grabbers to hang onto a wheelchair. Seat/person/wheelchair don't
touch the ground, just the climber's wheels do.
You roll it to the edge of the stair which it senses (with or without
stair node treads, so smooth or raised no issue) and stops. When you are
ready you push the button and it puts its leg on the next stair down,
and lifts its body up with person/chair/wheelchair attached. It then
moves itself forward to sit its wheels (and motor/chair/person) on the
next stair level as it retracts its leg and waits for the next order.
GOing up you do the same but the person on the lifter is facing
downstairs so goes up backwards. The driver rolls the machine back so
the machine's back wheels touch the stair riser or near to. Push the
button and the leg extends to lift everything up and back until the
climber's wheels are on the next stair tread. Driver pulls it back as
the leg retracts and it waits for the next button push.
WOrks on indoor and outdoor stairs. Mine has a 20cm step height limit
and is a bit tricky on one step which has a highish plaster nose on
one of the treads. But your standard outdoor noseless step with no
railing is no problem.
Ain't cheap so if you figure steps are not in your future it isn't
worth it. But for me living 2 flights up with an elderly mother in a
wheelchair it is beyond price.
Especially as it means we can visit relatives who have stairs.
Silfren
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 5, 2021, 10:25:01 PM4/5/21
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In article <slrns6ndtq....@gmail.com>,
Well, I'm an elderly grandmother and we do have a wheelchair in
which Meg will push me when we go to Disney World in May (present
for our 50th anniversary).
(if we can; we learned summer before last that everywhere that
isn't Vallejo is much more expensive than Vallejo) we'll be able
to find something big enough for five people and God's own
quantity of books. But that may not happen.
Can you give me a link to the kind of thing you're talking about?
which Meg will push me when we go to Disney World in May (present
for our 50th anniversary).
>
>Especially as it means we can visit relatives who have stairs.
>
Hmmmm. We are *hoping* that when we move back to the East Bay
>Especially as it means we can visit relatives who have stairs.
>
(if we can; we learned summer before last that everywhere that
isn't Vallejo is much more expensive than Vallejo) we'll be able
to find something big enough for five people and God's own
quantity of books. But that may not happen.
Can you give me a link to the kind of thing you're talking about?
Zebee Johnstone
Apr 6, 2021, 12:43:19 AM4/6/21
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In rec.org.sca on Tue, 6 Apr 2021 02:06:09 GMT
https://youtu.be/TLuLwjdp1LU is the one we have.
We got it from www.hercules.com.au but the beastie itself is German
made by Sano who call it a LiftKar.
https://www.sano-stairclimbers.com/liftkar-pt
We have the PS Universal which is the standard wheelchair one. It takes
self propelled or transit chairs and so far it has taken every one we've
tried including one that converts to a walker. About 300 steps on a
battery charge they say. It folds up fairly small, for car transport
you will probably need to take the upright bar off which is an easy
enough job.
But be aware they are in the several thousand dollar range, at least
they are here... They are going to be cheaper in the USA but still
not pocket change.
Try searching for "personal stairclimber" and see what you find.
Silfren
We got it from www.hercules.com.au but the beastie itself is German
made by Sano who call it a LiftKar.
https://www.sano-stairclimbers.com/liftkar-pt
We have the PS Universal which is the standard wheelchair one. It takes
self propelled or transit chairs and so far it has taken every one we've
tried including one that converts to a walker. About 300 steps on a
battery charge they say. It folds up fairly small, for car transport
you will probably need to take the upright bar off which is an easy
enough job.
But be aware they are in the several thousand dollar range, at least
they are here... They are going to be cheaper in the USA but still
not pocket change.
Try searching for "personal stairclimber" and see what you find.
Silfren
Dorothy J Heydt
Apr 6, 2021, 1:30:01 AM4/6/21
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In article <slrns6npn5....@gmail.com>,
Most of the listings on that search were personalized exercies
machines. But I found a few that were what you described. But
several thousand dollars.... ouch. I'm saving up for deposit and
first and last month's rent.
Fortunately, I still have the two strong adults (three, actually)
who can get me down the stairs at need.
Thanks for the link, though.
machines. But I found a few that were what you described. But
several thousand dollars.... ouch. I'm saving up for deposit and
first and last month's rent.
Fortunately, I still have the two strong adults (three, actually)
who can get me down the stairs at need.
Thanks for the link, though.
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