Deaths at Pennsic War?
Jeff Foehringer
I heard about several deaths this year at Pennsic, although some of
these reports might be rumors. Any accurate info would be appreciated.
I know that a gentle from New Jersey hung himself. I read in one post
that it was in the woods near the parking lot. Is this true? A little
unnerving since I camp near the woods at the beginning of the parking lot
(North 20).
Also, I heard of a gentle being drowned and of someone dying of a heart
attack. Any info on these events?
Also, I was under the impression that this is the first death(s) at
Pennsic, but a friend said she knows of a woman who dies there a few years
ago. Anyone know of any other deaths at Pennsic?
EXCMairi
>attack. Any info on these events?
Not true.
> Also, I was under the impression that this is the first death(s) at
Pennsic, but a friend said she knows of a woman who dies there a few years ago.
Anyone know of any other deaths at Pennsic?>
Someone was found having a severe heart attack some years back, but she was
revived (and, I believe, later did pass away).
Mairi
ErichAwful
>these reports might be rumors. Any accurate info would be appreciated.
> I know that a gentle from New Jersey hung himself. I read in one post
>that it was in the woods near the parking lot. Is this true? A little
>unnerving since I camp near the woods at the beginning of the parking lot
>(North 20).
The gentleman from New Jersey who hung himself is indeed true. Anything else
isn't.
I was on radio dispatch at Security point from midnight to 3AM that night. I
was also camped in North 20, in Allied Households (the guy with the small
cannon). A few hours before he succeeded in killing himself, , he was
actually in the Allied Households camp trying to avoid the Security people who
wanted to take him to the Chirurgeons.
The short version: With assistance from Allied Households and Northshield,
Security took him to the Chirurgeon point. I went off radio duty at 0300, got
to bed at 0330 or 0400 after taking care of some stuff. People from his camp
told me that he talked the Chirurgeons into releasing him to "sleep it off"
around 0430.
He went back to his camp, and when his campmates crashed, he returned to our
neighborhood. Sometime between 0500 and daylight, he killed himself,
apparently in the treeline within 50 feet of that last set of portapotties on
the northeast corner of our area. At about 0900, I rolled out of my tent and
saw the Portersville Life Support ambulance come by...
No drownings, or heart attacks this year. The lady who had a heart attack
several years ago is the only other fatality from Pennsic.
Erich
Ld Erich von Kleinfeld, CGD
Knight Marshall, Barony of Stierbach (Atlantia)
Zweihander don't kill people, doppelsoldner do.
Bronwynmgn
<JJF...@timesnet.net> writes:
> I heard about several deaths this year at Pennsic, although some of
>these reports might be rumors. Any accurate info would be appreciated.
> I know that a gentle from New Jersey hung himself. I read in one post
>that it was in the woods near the parking lot. Is this true? A little
>unnerving since I camp near the woods at the beginning of the parking lot
>(North 20).
> Also, I heard of a gentle being drowned and of someone dying of a heart
>attack. Any info on these events?
> Also, I was under the impression that this is the first death(s) at
>Pennsic, but a friend said she knows of a woman who dies there a few years
>ago. Anyone know of any other deaths at Pennsic?
The only person who died at Pennsic this year was the gentleman who hanged
himself in the woods near the parking lot, early on Saturday morning (8/15).
He was found by someone going up to collect their car to start packing, but was
initially thought to be a gross practical joke involving a dummy. Security was
called to remove the offending prank, which was then found not to be a joke at
all.
No one drowned at Pennsic. I don't believe anyone had a heart attack and
certainly no one died from one.
This is the first death that has actually occurred on Cooper's Lake property
during Pennsic. Several years ago a woman with a bad heart condition had a
severe heart attack while at Pennsic, but was resuscitated in the ambulance.
She did die several days later in the hospital.
Brangwayna Morgan
Master Chirurgeon
obsi...@raex.com
<JJF...@timesnet.net> wrote:
<snip>
> Also, I heard of a gentle being drowned and of someone dying of a heart
>attack. Any info on these events?
<snip>
Greetings...
I believe the "heart attack" story is a conflation of the
suicide. In the hours immediately following the discovery of the
suicide, there was a rumour, allegedly from official sources, to the
effect that: "No, no, there was no suicide, somebody had a heart
attack near the parking lot. Certainly there were no drownings.
Nigel FitzMaurice, Forester
sunshinegirl
accidents. Is this true or just another rumor?
Melandra
dragon
sunshinegirl <sunshi...@steward-net.com> wrote in article
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> Other threads have mentioned deaths on the way to Pennsic through car
> accidents. Is this true or just another rumor?
> Melandra
>
Yes, unfortunately true.... a lord from someplace far away got up to war
later after land lottery.... his wife and child was supposed to have gotten
some land for their group during land lottery but never got there.So he
shows up, cant find their group's land on the map.... dont know their names
or where theyre from, suppose we'll find out later.
It's just too high a price to pay.
ps- heard it from the guy who lost all his stuff when his trailer burned on
the way up...
Zack
EXCMairi
>suicide, there was a rumour, allegedly from official sources, to the
>effect that: "No, no, there was no suicide, somebody had a heart
>attack near the parking lot.
Actually, the official response was that there was a medical emergency in the
parking lot (no specifics).
Mairi (I was in Security Point at the time)
Christine Ziegler
>that it was in the woods near the parking lot. Is this true?
Yes this is true. There is no comment from the Autocrate or staff since
this unfortunate occurance is now in the hands of the Mundane Authorities.
> Also, I heard of a gentle being drowned and of someone dying of a heart
>attack. Any info on these events?
No one else died at the war.
> Also, I was under the impression that this is the first death(s) at
>Pennsic, but a friend said she knows of a woman who dies there a few years
>ago. Anyone know of any other deaths at Pennsic?
I don't personally know of any other deaths at Pennsic.
Lady Iseaulte Blaecstan, Clan Kilkenny
Barbara Nostrand
Death is often a personal tragedy, but is also an inherent part of life.
Yes. Someone who was working at Pennsic a couple of years ago was found
in a latrine, rushed to hospital and died somewhat later. Pennsic is a
small town of about 10,000 people. If anything, we have probably had
far fewer deaths than a average town of the same size and age
distribution.
As a Society and a Community, one of the things which we need to evolve
is death rituals. These may not be important or necessary for everyone
in the Society, but they will be of value to quite a few of us.
Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar
durr al-jabal al-mukhfi
bronw...@aol.com (Bronwynmgn) wrote:
> In article <6rarkh$g3e$1...@news2.ispnews.com>, "Jeff Foehringer"
> <JJF...@timesnet.net> writes:
>
> > I heard about several deaths this year at Pennsic, although some of
> >these reports might be rumors. Any accurate info would be appreciated.
> > I know that a gentle from New Jersey hung himself. I read in one post
> >that it was in the woods near the parking lot. Is this true? A little
> >unnerving since I camp near the woods at the beginning of the parking lot
> >(North 20).
> > Also, I heard of a gentle being drowned and of someone dying of a heart
> >attack. Any info on these events?
> > Also, I was under the impression that this is the first death(s) at
> >Pennsic, but a friend said she knows of a woman who dies there a few years
> >ago. Anyone know of any other deaths at Pennsic?
>
> The only person who died at Pennsic this year was the gentleman who hanged
> himself in the woods near the parking lot, early on Saturday morning (8/15).
> He was found by someone going up to collect their car to start packing,
but was
> initially thought to be a gross practical joke involving a dummy.
Security was
> called to remove the offending prank, which was then found not to be a joke at
> all.
> No one drowned at Pennsic. I don't believe anyone had a heart attack and
> certainly no one died from one.
> This is the first death that has actually occurred on Cooper's Lake property
> during Pennsic. Several years ago a woman with a bad heart condition had a
> severe heart attack while at Pennsic, but was resuscitated in the ambulance.
> She did die several days later in the hospital.
>
> Brangwayna Morgan
> Master Chirurgeon
I SUGGESTION YOU CHECK ON THE TIMING OF THE DEATH (ELDERLY WOMAN). SHE WAS
DOA AT BUTLER, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I'D HATE TO THINK THE FACTS HAVE
CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
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revived, taken to hospital, where she died after Pennsic was over.
I got this story from the man who revived her, Master Brusten de Bearsul, a
long-time member of the chirurgeon's effort at Pennsic.
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Iain and Cassi
I, too, am impressd with the low rate of casualties at the War (sounds odd,
I know), considering during the entire run of "Murder, She Wrote", the tiny
town of Cabbot Cove with no more than 1,000 people experienced no less than
1500 deaths.... *S*
Iain
Cumhail Ironsteed
<snippage>
> As a Society and a Community, one of the things which we need to evolve
> is death rituals. These may not be important or necessary for everyone
> in the Society, but they will be of value to quite a few of us.
>
>
A most interesting concept. Most societies do have structured mourning
rituals. Should we? This deserves some thought and discussion.
in service,
Cumhail
Bronwynmgn
durr.a...@iname.com (durr al-jabal al-mukhfi) writes:
>I SUGGESTION YOU CHECK ON THE TIMING OF THE DEATH (ELDERLY WOMAN). SHE WAS
>DOA AT BUTLER, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND I'D HATE TO THINK THE FACTS HAVE
>CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
Your Excellency, there is no need to shout. If you know that from personal
experience, I bow to your superior knowledge. My memories of the situation
(and I was an active chirurgeon at the time, was not on shift but spoke to
others who were, including one of the chirurgeons who did CPR on her) is that
she did not die until several days later (although she was on life support the
entire time). If the information I was given was incorrect, or if I have
inadvertently changed it over the years, forgive me. But the case was
discussed again, this year, after the suicide because of the "is this the first
death at Pennsic" questions, and others remember it as I do -that she did not
techically die on Cooper's Lake property, and was resuscitated at least
briefly, at least once.
Brangwayna Morgan
Jennifer Guy
>Greetings!
>
>I, too, am impressd with the low rate of casualties at the War (sounds odd,
>I know), considering during the entire run of "Murder, She Wrote", the tiny
>town of Cabbot Cove with no more than 1,000 people experienced no less than
>1500 deaths.... *S*
And always when Angela Landsbury was around... Eerie, huh?
Iain and Cassi
*chuckle* I always hoped the series finale would be the murder of Jessica
Fletcher, and since she was dead, no one else could figure out the murder... *G*
Iain
durr al-jabal al-mukhfi
bronw...@aol.com (Bronwynmgn) wrote:
Didn't mean to shout, key-caps got stuck.
Anyway, there is some dispute over the facts and details of this issue, but
the truth is that she wasn't pronounced dead on the site. The Staff was
glad of that, as it meant that no one had "died" on their watch. (Lies,
damn lies, and statistics, right?)
As to the rest of it, it is not worth the aurgument. Ask Melchoir if you
want another answer.
Greycat Sharpclaw
wrote:
>Barbara Nostrand wrote:
>A most interesting concept. Most societies do have structured mourning
>rituals. Should we? This deserves some thought and discussion.
They _are_ forming. Just with less formality and more tailoring than
many outside-world ones.
A gentle of our barony died several years ago. I (and many others of
our barony) attended both the regular religious memorial and the
Scadian memorial services. The later had much more emotional impact
on me, for it _was_ a mourning rite of our common people. The fact
that the details were decided by the organizers, as opposed to being
taken from a book of procedures, mattered little.
I have heard other stories like this from others in the society.
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dehring
Iain and Cassi <cassi...@hamtel.tds.net> wrote in article
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sunshinegirl
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> A most interesting concept. Most societies do have structured mourning
> rituals. Should we? This deserves some thought and discussion.
>
> Cumhail
Haven't there been funerals of SCA members buried in garb and attended in
garb? Or is that just another legend?
Melandra of the Woods
Gavin
>
> Haven't there been funerals of SCA members buried in garb and attended in
> garb? Or is that just another legend?
When Lady Ariadne of Marakiss passed away, her parents invited all
members of the Barony of Rowany (her local group) to attend the
funeral, and requested that everyone who did so attended in garb.
Lady Ariadne was not in garb for the ceremony, and I agree that it might
be considered taking too much from the family.
gui
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David Bretter
> >I know), considering during the entire run of "Murder, She Wrote", the tiny
> >town of Cabbot Cove with no more than 1,000 people experienced no less than
> >1500 deaths.... *S*
>
> And always when Angela Landsbury was around... Eerie, huh?
I think the obvious thing to do here to maintain our good record is to
immediately bann Angela Landsbury from ever attending a Pennsic. %^>
Lettice, Lady Peyton
scl...@chass.utoronto.ca
In article <35db870d...@news.ios.com>,
gre...@idt.fish.net wrote:
> >Barbara Nostrand wrote:
>
> >A most interesting concept. Most societies do have structured mourning
> >rituals. Should we? This deserves some thought and discussion.
>
> They _are_ forming. Just with less formality and more tailoring than
> many outside-world ones.
At Pennsic, I was wandering through the merchant area when I came across a
beautiful chair, set up beside one of the merchant booths. "What a nice
chair," I thought, and then looked up. Beside the chair was the banner that
Master Blackfox used to hang up at Pennsic when he was available for
portraits. The chair--and the items on the table beside it--were a memorial
to him, one which brought a tear to my eye, since I had my portrait done by
him the Pennsic before last (as well as being a Chronicler who used
_Warthaven_).
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Cumhail Ironsteed
>
> A gentle of our barony died several years ago. I (and many others of
> our barony) attended both the regular religious memorial and the
> Scadian memorial services. The later had much more emotional impact
> on me, for it _was_ a mourning rite of our common people. The fact
> that the details were decided by the organizers, as opposed to being
> taken from a book of procedures, mattered little.
>
> I have heard other stories like this from others in the society.
>
I have heard such stories myself. First hand, however, I have more
experience with bereaved families who would rather pretend that their
loved one had never heard of the SCA. It's good that we remember our
own.
Cumhail
Jill Crowther-Peters
Haven't there been funerals of SCA members buried in garb and attended in
garb? Or is that just another legend?
Melandra of the Woods
Lady,
I do believe that in the mundane year of 1984, The Baron and Baroness
of Couer D'Eunni in Calontir were buried in their garb.
This is what I had been told, as I was unable to attend their
funeral.(being newly assigned to the Air Force)
They were dear friends that I saw occasionally at events and i still
sorely miss them.
Ly Wynne
Jennifer Guy
>Haven't there been funerals of SCA members buried in garb and attended in
>garb? Or is that just another legend?
>Melandra of the Woods
Our head of household Sir Forgan Aurelius was attended by Roman
soldiers in lorica and most of his SCA friends came in garb. He was
also mourned by his mundane military unit in uniform, as well as a
group of his rockabilly band's followers dressed in 50's clothes. His
mundane family came dressed in funeral best. There was a piper at the
cemetary, the military read a commendation, and his SCA household
Darkyard brought fresh tears to every eye when they sang the rousing
battle song to the effect of
"We love the lad so dearly; when Forgan's back is tae the wall I see
my duty clearly...... So up and join our noble chief..... Come what
may we'll win the day for FORGAN and for DARKYARD!"
His SCA squires have followed their oath and plan to uphold the
tradition of attending his gravesite on the anniversary of his death
every year. Last winter a household shield was lain across his grave
instead of a blanket of evergreens.
Francis A. Ney, Jr
> Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:36:29 GMT
>
> Your Excellency, there is no need to shout. If you know that from personal
> experience, I bow to your superior knowledge. My memories of the situation
> (and I was an active chirurgeon at the time, was not on shift but spoke to
> others who were, including one of the chirurgeons who did CPR on her) is that
> she did not die until several days later (although she was on life support the
> entire time).
That is my recollection of the event, if this was the portacastle code.
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Francis A. Ney, Jr
> Date: 18 Aug 1998 13:02:29 GMT
>
> This is the first death that has actually occurred on Cooper's Lake property
> during Pennsic. Several years ago a woman with a bad heart condition had a
> severe heart attack while at Pennsic, but was resuscitated in the ambulance.
> She did die several days later in the hospital.
>
> Brangwayna Morgan
> Master Chirurgeon
I recall hearing of a natural causes death somewhere around the Pennsic XV
timeframe. Gentle was terminally ill and died in his sleep. It was the gentle's
wish to go to Pennsic and the family had pre-arranged funeral home transport just
in case -- the chirurgeons were not involved at all. This is legal, as most
Funeral Home directors in PA are also deputy coroners.
The War Chirurgeon had a hissy fit when he found out about it afterwards.
Orin The Late
This is no rumor. In the Shire of Burning Sands, in Atenveldt, we had a
member killed one night when she was struck by a car. She was buried in her
garb, and all the members of the Shire showed up for the funeral services in
garb. This was approximately 13 years ago.
Orin
sunshinegirl wrote in message <01bdcc02$5c8eb860$4d35b8d1@default>...
>Cumhail Ironsteed <xcr...@pompano.net> wrote in article
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>> A most interesting concept. Most societies do have structured mourning
>> rituals. Should we? This deserves some thought and discussion.
>>
>> in service,
>> Cumhail
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Barbara Nostrand <bnos...@lynx.neu.edu> wrote:
>Noble Cousins!
>
>Death is often a personal tragedy, but is also an inherent part of life.
>Yes. Someone who was working at Pennsic a couple of years ago was found
>in a latrine, rushed to hospital and died somewhat later. Pennsic is a
>small town of about 10,000 people. If anything, we have probably had
>far fewer deaths than a average town of the same size and age
>distribution.
Like many of us, I'm sure, I discussed this in the car on the way home.
One sentiment that I've heard voiced is, "A death at Pennsic is tragic,
but probably was inevitable someday, given our size."
(I'm going to get pretty abstract here, so anyone who's still feeling
emotionally shaken by the death-on-site may want to come back to this
later, when thinking of death as actuarial numbers doesn't seem like
such a strange thing to be doing.)
I got to thinking (some of this probably comes from the friend in
whose car I rode -- I didn't keep track of who thought of what)...
Pennsic "town" only exists for a week or two each year (depending on
how you want to count it for figuring our population). 27x2=54 weeks,
or just over a year. Pennsic has only been 9,000-10,000 for the past
few years. If you average all of that out, how large a town are we
talking about, and how many deaths would one expect in a year?
But _of_course_ our death rate is low: in a mundane town, there are
people sick and dying who stay home as a result, and die there. Most
people who are in that bad shape don't undertake a physically stressful
week of camping just then, so many of the expected deaths don't come to
Pennsic to die.
So what I started wondering is this: Of the people who could be
thought of as "citizens of Pennsic", how many have died over the
past year? The past 27 years?
For die we do, and some of us die untimely. A couple years ago
there were what, three separate wakes at War? (And I got smashed for
the first time in fifteen years at the one I went to, for a woman
very dear to me.)
And that ties into Solveig Throndardottir's closing point:
>As a Society and a Community, one of the things which we need to evolve
>is death rituals. These may not be important or necessary for everyone
>in the Society, but they will be of value to quite a few of us.
Most mundane rituals carry over. And there are some ways in which
we can honour our dead, or grieve them, which might seem odd in
mundania. Do we need our own? Probably, given that so many of us
see each other only once a year. Wounds which are starting to heal
for one person are completely fresh for another (and possibly a complete
surpise: "Is so-and-so camping with you this year?" "Oh, haven't you
heard..."). A loss to which one person is finally becoming accustomed
may be felt anew as well.
Death rituals -- which probably won't be the same for all of us --
will become important to *most* of us who get sufficiently involved
in the Society to make friends and stay long enough to lose them.
I know that for myself, saying goodbye to Jo-Bug three times helped
_me_ deal (or start to deal) with the fact that she was gone, and
all three fell into the catagory of death rituals (mundane service,
wake at Pennsic, scattering of her ashes).
We don't all know each other, even the subset of us who attend
Pennsic, but we are a community.
Arthur D'Glenn
Shire of Roxbury Mill
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LiamStLiam
>>>A most interesting concept. Most societies do have >>>structured mourning
rituals. Should we? This >>>deserves some thought and discussion.
I think we do, in some ways.
It's not uncommon at all to hear of a wake at Pennsic,
Shadowmaker's friends held one last year, and there was one for a friend from
Aethelmearc this year.
We sometimes memorialize the dead in song, and this year, for Jafar, in a coin.
It's a litle different for people we do not know.
Liam St. Liam
East
Lord Xbrew
>It's not uncommon at all to hear of a wake at Pennsic,
>Shadowmaker's friends held one last year
It was more than a wake, it was a celebration of his life, between those who
knew him well and those who may not have known him, but respected him just the
same. It was more of a party than a true wake, as was his wishes.
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Bob Upson
Given that it wasn't particulary any of his business, I can't imagine
why.
Macsen
Greycat Sharpclaw
wrote:
>Greycat Sharpclaw wrote:
>
>>
>> A gentle of our barony died several years ago. I (and many others of
>> our barony) attended both the regular religious memorial and the
>> Scadian memorial services.
[snip]
>> I have heard other stories like this from others in the society.
>>
>I have heard such stories myself. First hand, however, I have more
>experience with bereaved families who would rather pretend that their
>loved one had never heard of the SCA. It's good that we remember our
>own.
It is unfortunate that family members deny the friends of the
deceased. Yet it happens often - not just to SCA friends.
I will note now that the Scadian memorial I attended was also attended
by the decesased's mother, who is now one of us.
scl...@chass.utoronto.ca
In article <199808212204...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
lord...@aol.com (Lord Xbrew) wrote:
> It was more than a wake, it was a celebration of his life, between those who
> knew him well and those who may not have known him, but respected him just the
> same. It was more of a party than a true wake, as was his wishes.
You haven't been to a true Irish wake, have you? "Celebration of life" is an
understatement....
Lucas Smithen
> You haven't been to a true Irish wake, have you? "Celebration of life" is an
> understatement....
I remember my first one. At the age of 18, I have to admit the
dead body on the bar was a *little* creepy. However, You do become
accustomed to it, unfortunately, given time. And while I am not exactly
objective on the subject, I have long felt that We have the healthiest
attitudes concerning death.
In Service to those that would have me, I remain,
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Lord Xbrew
>
>> It was more than a wake, it was a celebration of his life, between those
>who knew him well and those who may not have known him, but respected him
just
>the same. It was more of a party than a true wake, as was his wishes.
>
>understatement....
Greetings Nicolaa de Bracton
>
Yes I have, and within my own family line. We made this a mongol wake which
made all Irish ones look like funerals...
lol
LukeMingst
>
>Given that it wasn't particulary any of his business, I can't imagine
>why.
>
People's health at the War was the "War Chirurgeon's" job. To have someone die
on their "watch" must have been horiffic. Especially if they did not hear
about it until afterwards.
I remember how I felt on a much lighter matter. I was a marshal-in-charge for
a local war. It turned out there was an incident at the war I was not told
about. Imagine how I felt when I was supposed to be able to include it in the
report to my superior and I hadn't even heard about it!
Vlasta Ulvaeus
Vinhold, Mists, West
Bob Upson
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> >> The War Chirurgeon had a hissy fit when he found out about it afterwards.
> >
> >Given that it wasn't particulary any of his business, I can't imagine
> >why.
>
> People's health at the War was the "War Chirurgeon's" job. To have someone die
> on their "watch" must have been horiffic. Especially if they did not hear
> about it until afterwards.
Not entirely accurate. The Chirurgeonate is not in any way shape or
form responsible for public health. They are rather a first aid
resource voluntarily provided for anyone who wishes to use their
services. If someone chooses *not* to use their services -- as many
people do each year -- they have no basis for having a "hissy fit."
Macsen
CromAbu
be, was killed in a car wreck (she was driving & hit some ice),& was burried in
her best garb. As was His Lordship Aaron Cauldaries. Both of these gentles
resided in Loch Sallann (Salt Lake City, Utah).
Both had SCA wakes. And both their families while not players, were more than
willing to include the SCA in their funerial arangements.
Both of the decieseds mothers comented to me at the time of the mundane
funerals, that they were really surprised at the number of SCA people that
turned up for the mundane funerals. And both were hartened that their child was
so well thought of by their SCA family.
Fifteen mths. ago I comented that we (my husband & I)had known surprisingly few
people die, consedering
the many people that we call friends.
Since then we have had 35 people die on us. Some were Sca, some were from
church, some were from work, & a couple were relatives. One weekend in Sept.
last year we lost 3 within 3 days. We couldn't go to any of the funerals as we
were both very ill at the time.
Lossing so many people in so little of time, puts the whole thing into a whole
differant perspective.
Most of us don't even like to think about death let alone talk about it. I bet
that most people won't even read these missives about deing in the SCA.
Yet funerial cermonies are as has been stated earlier for the living.
So my advice is that if some one you know in the SCA dies & you want to hold a
wake for them that is seperate from the mundane affaire go right ahead & do so.
It really goes a long way to help in closer. And by all meanes invite the
deceased family & friends who don't play SCA, as it really helps to know that
their loved one was loved by their SCA family. And make it open to all in the
SCA not just their immediate friends.
The wake can be held after the deciesed has been intured, even as long as a
year after the fact is perfectly fine.Seeing as we don't always see each other
as often as say the people that we work with, & it takes time to put something
toghter. Simply have every one who cares to to bring photos of the deciesed at
SCA events.
And have people tell their favorite story about the deciesed.Some food &
beverage is also a good idea, but make sure that there are a few designated
drivers about or some crash space is always a good idea too.
God Bless those who have gone before us!
Hopefully they will make a space for the rest of us when we get there!
Lady Cate