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Bryan J. Maloney

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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Does anybody know of any information regarding the medieval antecedents of
the musical instrument called a "Horn and Hardart"? Being quite enamored
of 17th century compositions for this, I was wondering what its historical
path was.

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Corun MacAnndra

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Bryan J. Maloney <bj...@cornell.edu> wrote:
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>Does anybody know of any information regarding the medieval antecedents of
>the musical instrument called a "Horn and Hardart"? Being quite enamored
>of 17th century compositions for this, I was wondering what its historical
>path was.

It was Peter Shikele under the guise of PDQ Bach wrote a piece for Horn and
Hardart. If I recall, the piece was supposed to be played "automatically".

Horn and Hardart is the name of a chain of automats, restaurants that
served food from dispensers and carosel arrangements, i.e. "automatically".
The current incarnation of the company is called Horn and Horn. Hardart
was either bought out, sold out or died out. I believe the Horn and Hardart
Automats date from the early 40s in the U.S., and they were very popular
due to their novelty. You'll even find an early Bugs Bunny cartoon that
spoofs the automats.

In service,
Corun


Bryan J. Maloney

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In article <71nbbs$s...@access5.digex.net>, co...@access5.digex.net (Corun
MacAnndra) wrote:

You ruined the joke!

Irony is wasted on these people...

Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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Scripsit bj...@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) :

> Does anybody know of any information regarding the medieval antecedents of
> the musical instrument called a "Horn and Hardart"? Being quite enamored
> of 17th century compositions for this, I was wondering what its historical
> path was.

"Horn and Hardart" was a restaurant chain that I believe eventually
amalgamated with Burger King. Peter (PDQ Bach) Schickele (not sure of the
spelling) used it in the title of a joke musical composition "X for Horn
and Hardart" (X being a musical form that I don't recall, sonata or
something) as a spoof on the many legitimate compositions entitled
following the form "X for Horn and [other musical instrument]".

But you knew that....

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Jeff Zeitlin

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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ta...@bigfoot.com (Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle) wrote:

>Scripsit bj...@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) :

> > Does anybody know of any information regarding the medieval antecedents of
> > the musical instrument called a "Horn and Hardart"? Being quite enamored
> > of 17th century compositions for this, I was wondering what its historical
> > path was.

>"Horn and Hardart" was a restaurant chain that I believe eventually
>amalgamated with Burger King. Peter (PDQ Bach) Schickele (not sure of the
>spelling) used it in the title of a joke musical composition "X for Horn
>and Hardart" (X being a musical form that I don't recall, sonata or
>something) as a spoof on the many legitimate compositions entitled
>following the form "X for Horn and [other musical instrument]".

You spelled Schickele correctly, and the piece was a Concerto. I
don't know if H&H was absorbed by BK, but they _do_ own a number
of BK franchises in NYC.

I'd like to know if a left-handed sewer flute is a period
instrument - or maybe, is it an instrument, period.

--
Yosef ben Lazar
jzei...@cyburban.com

Lucy700095

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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>I'd like to know if a left-handed sewer flute is a period
>instrument - or maybe, is it an instrument, period.

I play the Lasso de Amore'. Wonder the same thing???

Funny thread, guys!

Robyn Von Glonn
Outlands

D. Peters

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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In article <3658aa4c....@news.cyburban.com>,

Jeff Zeitlin <jzei...@cyburban.com> wrote:
>ta...@bigfoot.com (Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle) wrote:
>
>>Scripsit bj...@cornell.edu (Bryan J. Maloney) :
>
>> > Does anybody know of any information regarding the medieval =
>antecedents of
>> > the musical instrument called a "Horn and Hardart"? Being quite =
>enamored
>> > of 17th century compositions for this, I was wondering what its =

>historical
>> > path was.
>
>>"Horn and Hardart" was a restaurant chain that I believe eventually
>>amalgamated with Burger King. Peter (PDQ Bach) Schickele (not sure of =

>the
>>spelling) used it in the title of a joke musical composition "X for Horn
>>and Hardart" (X being a musical form that I don't recall, sonata or
>>something) as a spoof on the many legitimate compositions entitled
>>following the form "X for Horn and [other musical instrument]".
>
>You spelled Schickele correctly, and the piece was a Concerto. I
>don't know if H&H was absorbed by BK, but they _do_ own a number
>of BK franchises in NYC.
>
>I'd like to know if a left-handed sewer flute is a period
>instrument - or maybe, is it an instrument, period.

Well, a friend of mine back home in the Midrealm used to (may still, for
all I know) make renaissance transverse flutes out of PVC pipe, and sell
them at recorder workshops. They were a nice starting place for people
who wanted to try out the renaissance flute without expending bucks on a
wooden model (same ecological niche as plastic recorders).

He called them "sewer flutes". Don't know if he made left-handed models,
though....

Cheers--
D.Peters

Gary Burger

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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>"Horn and Hardart" was a restaurant chain that I believe eventually
>amalgamated with Burger King. Peter (PDQ Bach) Schickele (not sure of the

>spelling) used it in the title of a joke musical composition "X for Horn
>and Hardart" (X being a musical form that I don't recall, sonata or
>something) as a spoof

It is called, "Concerto for Horn and Hardart." (I have it on a tape
somewhere). H&H was, if not the original, the longest surviving automat
chain in NYC. I didn't know about the Burger King connection...thanks,
Tadhg!

L. Freydis Sighurdardottir (fre...@portup.com)
Middle Kingdom

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Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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Scripsit "Gary Burger" <tuc...@portup.com> :

> It is called, "Concerto for Horn and Hardart." (I have it on a tape
> somewhere). H&H was, if not the original, the longest surviving automat
> chain in NYC. I didn't know about the Burger King connection...thanks,
> Tadhg!

No problem. When I was working in New York in the late 70s, there was a
Burger King on the cross street that passes south of the Marine Midland
Bank building (don't recall the name) where the serving staff wore nametags
with both "Burger King" and "Horn & Hardart" labels.

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