SCA Authors and Literature
Achbar ibn Ali
question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any
works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
would like to do a Panel on this subject.
Achbar
Kent
Pennsic War.
The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
Stashef (sp).
there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
Aelfraed
Kent
one book is based an Honor's grandfather being an SCA member and having
taght her to use ancient weapons.
Aelfraed
Cynthia Virtue
SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is
mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_.
I know several authors who are in the SCA, but as far as I know, their
works don't mention the SCA.
cv
Lyle H. Gray
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> oh and in David Weber's Honor Harrington serios a major plot point in
> one book is based an Honor's grandfather being an SCA member and
> having taght her to use ancient weapons.
Specifically 20th century weapons...
Harold Groot
>Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about
>Pennsic War.
>
>The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
>Stashef (sp).
>
>there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
>MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
>
>Aelfraed
Those weren't all among the =founding= members, surely? IIRC Robert
Asprin (Yang the Nauseating) first showed up in the Middle Kingdom, so
that was a few years in. As an author he used several real SCAdians
as the basis for characters in at least one of his SF books, but he
didn't use their real names and they weren't in an SCA-clone
organization. I also don't recall Anne McCaffrey being mentioned as a
founding member, and I think I'd have recalled that name in tales of
the founding of the society. I'm very fond of her books. Perhaps you
just meant "early" members? Meanwhile, Poul Anderson (Sir Bela of
Eastmarch) should definitely get a mention as a famous author going
back to the very early days.
Dorothy J Heydt
Kent <Kent...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about
>Pennsic War.
Mary Monica Pulver, known to us as Margaret of Shaftesbury.
>
>The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
>Stashef (sp).
Christopher Stasheff. The connection with the SCA is retconned
into the fifth or sixth book in the series, in a belated attempt
to explain why people took a spaceship to another planet, settled
there, and then took up a medieval lifestyle.
>
>there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
>MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
No, Anne McCaffrey never had much to do with the SCA. You're
thinking of Marion Zimmer Bradley (Elfreida of Greenwalls), who
invented the SCA's name when she was reserving a park area for
our second event and was suddenly confronted by the line "Name of
Organization:".
Diana Paxson (Diana Listmaker) gave the original party in her back
yard. After she'd gone off to train for the Peace Corps, everyone
said, "That was fun, let's do it again," so we did it again.
Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating) either founded, or was
instrumental in founding, the Great Dark Horde.
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West Albany, California
PRO DEO ET REGE djh...@kithrup.com
Dorothy J Heydt
Cynthia Virtue <cvi...@thibault.org> wrote:
>_Folk of the Air_ has a social group in the background which is what the
>SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is
>mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_.
Peter Beagle came to a very early event, before we had decided
how we were doing things, and got some ideas. Later on he kept
away from us because his book was developing nicely and he didn't
want what we were actually doing to interfere with his ideas of
what his characters were doing.
Heinlein was on the SCA mailing list for the first several years,
simply because Karen Anderson knew his address and thought it
would be neat if he would join. But he never did.
There are, by now, a great many authors (SF and otherwise) who
mention the SCA without ever having been part of it; it's become
a minor part of the American scene.
Kat Dyer
> oh and in David Weber's Honor Harrington serios a major plot point in
> one book is based an Honor's grandfather being an SCA member and having
> taght her to use ancient weapons.
Point... it's her uncle... specifically, her mother's brother, who
specializes in 20th C weapons.
Kat
Kat Dyer
> In article <W7ydnT3P5pi...@comcast.com>,
> Kent <Kent...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> No, Anne McCaffrey never had much to do with the SCA. You're
> thinking of Marion Zimmer Bradley (Elfreida of Greenwalls), who
> invented the SCA's name when she was reserving a park area for
> our second event and was suddenly confronted by the line "Name of
> Organization:".
Actually, I know who it is he is thinking about though... Katherine Kurtz.
Kat
Dorothy J Heydt
OK, that's another. She wasn't a founder, though, but joined
several years in when the West Kingdom expanded to the Los
Angeles area. Bevin Fraser of Stirling was her name.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
Terri/Hrothny
Gordon Dickson was bio'd in the back of one of his books. The bio mentioned
his membership in the SCA, which in combination with my
newly-finished-reading of "Warlock in Spite of Himself" inspired me to find
a local group. (It took me 13 years to find one but that's what life
pre-Internet was like.)
Hrothny
Rob
Neil Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. (not that I recall it being
particularly flattering)
Gretchen Beck
includes quite a bit both flattering and unflattering about the SCA. Its
take on Jaelle of Armida is priceless! Don't know whether she's an SCA
member, but she ought to be.
toodles, margaret
Gretchen Beck
Esther, that is -- I know Jaelle's an SCA member ;-)
toodles, margaret
--On Friday, June 11, 2004 4:19 PM -0400 Gretchen Beck <g...@andrew.cmu.edu>
wrote:
Steve Mesnick
> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> need more information.
SCADIAN SF/FANTASY AUTHORS:
* Diana Paxson (Diana Listmaker): the First Tournament was in her back yard.
* Poul Anderson (Sir Bela of Eastmarche)
* Katherine Kurtz (Bevin Fraser of Stirling): once President of the SCA.
* Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating): founder of the Great Dark Horde
* Jerry Pournelle (Jerome of McKenna)
* Lester del Rey (Lester of Rive Rouge): one of the first Eastrealm Laurels
* Esther Freisner (can't recall her SCA name)
* Marian Zimmer Bradley (Elfrida of Greenwalls): who brought the SCA
to the East coast.
* Debra Doyle (Malkin Grey)
* Greer Ilene Gilman (Eugenie de Bruges)
* Joe Schifino (Feral von Halstern)
SCA IN SF:
* Christopher Stasheff's "Warlock" series
* Spider Robinson (one of the Callahan novels, if I recall correctly)
* Peter Beagle's "The Folk of the Air" (thinly disguised SCA)
* Mary Monica Pulver's "Murder at the War" takes place at Pennsic
(pretty clearly Pennsic 11)
* Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
* Robert Asprin: "Tambu", if you can find it, is a roman a clef
about the founding of the Dark Horde, set among interstellar trade
routes. Great story! Find an old Hordesman to identify the real people
behind the characters.
* The dedication of Gordon Dickson's "The Dragon and the George"
is "Thys boke is for Bela of Eastmarche, who hath, in his own
time, knowne a dragon or two." See above.
--- Steffan ap Kennydd
John Husvar
SCA received some mention in a novel named "Hunters of the Red Moon,"
IIRC. (Read it a lonnng time ago.)
Was that one of MZB's early works?
Dorothy J Heydt
John Husvar <jhu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>
>SCA received some mention in a novel named "Hunters of the Red Moon,"
>IIRC. (Read it a lonnng time ago.)
>
>Was that one of MZB's early works?
MZB and Paul Edwin Zimmer, who was her brother. He was Master
Edwin Bersark.
John Husvar
Thank you, I thought it was she, but was uncertain.
Steve Mesnick
>>* Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
BARONESS SAEWYNN SILFRRHAFN POINTED OUT:
> Nope -- "Number of the Beast".
You're right! I stand corrected.
-- Steffan ap Kennydd
--
Grant me the company of those who seek truth, and
protect me from those who have found it.
MDH
the Order of the Laurel):
Tom Deitz (known in the SCA as Dylan of Abeneirin, etc.)
His book *The Gryphon King* specifically mentions the SCA and the
opportunity to appear as one of the characters in the book was auctioned
off at a Barony of Bryn Madoc fundraiser. A bibliography of Tom's work
can be found at risse.tierranet.com/deitz/deitz.html.
CS Friedman (known in the SCA as Tatiana Alexovna Marakovskaya)
Not much SCA content in her books, but plenty of vampires and
vampirelike creatures. She's got a new book coming out this month. Her
website is located at www.merentha.org/forest.asp
Margala of Dovedale (O.L.)
lubarsky
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In Randall Garrett's "The Steel of Raithscar" Ricardo Carrillo mentions (to
himself) that he was trained in the sword by Master Paul Edwin Zimmer. Ariel
by Steven R. Boyett has a
strong SCA connection, with some scadians coming out on top of society after
technology
has been replaced by magic. Rick Cook's Wiz Zumwalt recruited a bunch of
computer people for a programming job in another universe at an SCA event. I
do wonder about Barbara Hambly. The description of guards training at the
Keep of Dare seemed painfully realistic.
Somewhere I do remember a nasty backslid colony world called "Sca", but I
can't place the story.
Avrahm
Chris Zakes
caused Steve Mesnick <ste...@pobox.com> to write:
(snip)
>* Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
No, "The Number of the Beast". The SCA is having a live-weapons
jousting tournament with 32nd-century medical technology available to
make sure that the fighters don't stay dead.
One I'm surprised nobody's mentioned is Mercedes Lackey. I don't think
she's a member, but she mentions the "Medieval Society" in several of
her books.
There's also L. Neil Smith's "Tom Paine Maru", which has a couple of
chapters set on a planet called "Skah"--a rather unflattering picture
of the SCA.
-Tivar Moondragon
Ansteorra
Considering how many wars have to do with population pressure and limited
resources, "make love not war" may be a self-defeating concept.
John Groseclose
<ste...@pobox.com> wrote:
> SCA IN SF:
> * Christopher Stasheff's "Warlock" series
> * Spider Robinson (one of the Callahan novels, if I recall correctly)
> * Peter Beagle's "The Folk of the Air" (thinly disguised SCA)
> * Mary Monica Pulver's "Murder at the War" takes place at Pennsic
> (pretty clearly Pennsic 11)
> * Robert Heinlein ("Job, a Comedy of Justice", IIRC)
> * Robert Asprin: "Tambu", if you can find it, is a roman a clef
> about the founding of the Dark Horde, set among interstellar trade
> routes. Great story! Find an old Hordesman to identify the real people
> behind the characters.
> * The dedication of Gordon Dickson's "The Dragon and the George"
> is "Thys boke is for Bela of Eastmarche, who hath, in his own
> time, knowne a dragon or two." See above.
>
> --- Steffan ap Kennydd
Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as
meeting in the Free Park so they could fight.
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Steve Mesnick
> There is a book called "Demon Blues" by a lady named Esther Friesner
> which includes quite a bit both flattering and unflattering about the
> SCA. Its take on Jaelle of Armida is priceless! Don't know whether she's
> an SCA member, but she ought to be.
Indeed she is, or was last I heard. I can't recall her SCA name, but,
heck, she may well be someone I've even *met* %^). She's in the barony
Beyond the Mountain or in Dragonship Haven (both CT), and I'm in the
Bridge (RI).
Steffan ap Kennydd
Heather Rose Jones
> Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about
> Pennsic War.
>
> The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
> Stashef (sp).
>
> there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
> MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
Also Marion Zimmer Bradley.
There are also a fair number of much more obscure authors
who are or have been in the SCA at some point. A lot will
depend on what your cutoffs are for both "author" and "SCA
member".
Tangwystyl
(one of the very obscure ones)
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does not specifically mention the SCA by name. However, it does mentions
"recreationists" prominently.
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Charlene Charette
Or am I mis-remembering? Been awhile since I've read it.
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Dorothy J Heydt
Charlene Charette <neith...@northere.com> wrote:
>Wasn't the SCA mentioned in Sharyn McCrumb's "Bimbos of the Death Sun"?
No, it's mentioned in her _Highland Laddie Gone._ A sheriff who
plays ACW on weekends has to leave his battle to go investigate a
murder among some Highland Games enthusiasts whose idea of what
it is to be Scottish is a bit idealized. At the end, the sheriff
mentions that the site has to be cleaned up in a hurry (now that
the murderer's been found and people can leave) because the SCA
is using it next weekend, and he and the Highland Gamer he's
talking to agree that "those people are crazy." The description
makes it clear that the Confederate Colonel and the Maid of the
Cat are at least as crazy as the SCAdians.
Charlene Charette
> No, it's mentioned in her _Highland Laddie Gone._ A sheriff who
> plays ACW on weekends has to leave his battle to go investigate a
> murder among some Highland Games enthusiasts whose idea of what
> it is to be Scottish is a bit idealized. At the end, the sheriff
> mentions that the site has to be cleaned up in a hurry (now that
> the murderer's been found and people can leave) because the SCA
> is using it next weekend, and he and the Highland Gamer he's
> talking to agree that "those people are crazy." The description
> makes it clear that the Confederate Colonel and the Maid of the
> Cat are at least as crazy as the SCAdians.
Ah, thanks. I thought she had mentioned the SCA in one of her books.
Dan Smith
Also there is Rick Cook or Richard Ironsteed first king and one of the
founding fathers of Atenveldt.
Rick's the author of the Wiz books (Wizard's Bane, Wizardry Cursed etc).
In one of the books, the heros have to recruit a some programmers to
go to a fantasy world to finish a magic complier. So they head off to
the local SCA even to gather them up.
I believe the first two books can be found in the baen free library
http://www.baen.com/library/defaultTitles.htm
if you are interested.
Daniel de Neuf-Claire
Siege Engineer
House Staghold
Atenveldt
Mark S. Harris
> There are also a fair number of much more obscure authors
> who are or have been in the SCA at some point. A lot will
> depend on what your cutoffs are for both "author" and "SCA
> member".
>
> Tangwystyl
> (one of the very obscure ones)
Now, Tangwystyl, I'd hardly call you an obscure SCA member... :-)
Stefan
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Shalandara
Tears", "the Cup of Morning Shadows", and "The Cloak of Night
and Daggers". One of the characters, Holly, is a member of the
SCA. There is a battle in upstate NY between otherworldy
creatures and Scadians and US goverment types. There is also
an amusing scene when the US govt types (i.e. Men in Black)
descend upon a Sci-Fi con trying to find someone.
S.M. Stirling is another author. His "Island in the Sea of Time"
books only have a passing mention to "historical recreation
groups" in that one of the minor characters is a blacksmith who
crafts custom swords. However, his new book (coming out this
fall) has more than a nod to the SCA. It is set in Oregon, is
basically post-apocalyptic (tied to his Island books in a strange
way) and features several characters int he SCA. One, Norman
Arminger, is a bad guy who uses his position in the SCA to try
to sieze control. Others, like Chuck, are good guys. There is
also a major character who is modeled on Heather Alexander,
the singer. To see the sample chapers go to: smstirling.com
Elizabeth of Hadley Hall
Inc Canton of Sudentor, Barony of Stierbach, Kingdom of Atlantia
Lozengy Or and Vert a Chief Sable
Christianetrue
Esther's a friend of a friend of mine, and I've had chances to talk
with outside of the usual places I've seen her, that is, science
fiction conventions <g>. She's a a guest at a lot of conventions. She
loves costumes and garb, but never dresses at conventions in garb.
It's the separation between the pros and the fans.
Christiane
Tony
> Achbar ibn Ali wrote:
>
> > We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> > question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> > need more information.
>
> SCADIAN SF/FANTASY AUTHORS:
> * Diana Paxson (Diana Listmaker): the First Tournament was in her back
yard.
> * Poul Anderson (Sir Bela of Eastmarche)
> * Katherine Kurtz (Bevin Fraser of Stirling): once President of the SCA.
> * Robert Asprin (Yang the Nauseating): founder of the Great Dark Horde
> * Jerry Pournelle (Jerome of McKenna)
> * Lester del Rey (Lester of Rive Rouge): one of the first Eastrealm
Laurels
> * Esther Freisner (can't recall her SCA name)
> * Marian Zimmer Bradley (Elfrida of Greenwalls): who brought the SCA
> to the East coast.
> * Debra Doyle (Malkin Grey)
> * Greer Ilene Gilman (Eugenie de Bruges)
> * Joe Schifino (Feral von Halstern)
Fred Saberhagen? I seem to recall he's a member.
Michael Grossberg
I can add Diane Duane to this list. I actually met her in the line at the
Fruity Cobbler (Pennsic) several years ago .
Lady Katheryne of Krings Keep
who said "neat!" when Diane introduced herself, and then asked her about her
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Cynthia Virtue
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It looks like the message I tried to post yesterday on this subject
didn't get through. My appologies if this is a duplicate.
Here are several files in the SCA-STORIES section of the Florilegium on
this subject:
SCA-authors-msg (36K) 12/16/94 Authors who have been/are SCA
members.
SCA-in-books-msg (32K) 8/21/96 Mentions of the SCA in books and
magazines.
SCA-noteables-msg (19K) 4/12/01 20th century noteables in the SCA.
Richard Macdonald
> _Folk of the Air_ has a social group in the background which is what the
> SCA might have been like if it had gone a bit differently. The SCA is
> mentioned at the end of _Number of the Beast_.
>
> I know several authors who are in the SCA, but as far as I know, their
> works don't mention the SCA.
The late Gordon R. Dickson dedicated the "Dragon and the George" as:
"Thys Boke Ys for
Bela of Eastmarch,
Who Hath in Hyi Own Tyme
Known a Dragon or Two.
--
Don Iain of Rannoch
--
Richard A Macdonald, CPA/EA
Dedicated student of Fr Luca Paccioli, Master Juggler.
Gib mir schokolade und niemand wird verletzt!!
Andrew Tye
Another author who was in the SCA is Mildred Downey Broxon. SKA Dierdre
Muldomhnaigh, she was Baroness of Madrone and is a member of the Orders of
the Laurel and the Pelican. She also penned a good number of the An Tir
Rebellion songs. I believe she also wrote one book under the
nomme de plume, Sigurd Skallaspillr, (i.e. Sigurd the Plagerist). It is
dedicated to Bela, Ulfheddin, and Reginlief.
Another author who included some thinly veiled SCA characters and themes
in some of her works is Julian May. In her first book of the Pliocene
Exiles series, _The Many Coloured Land_, there are several characters who
resemble certain personages of a certain era in An Tir history.
Ivar Hakonarson
Zachariah Kessin
I don't think David Brin was ever in the SCA but he clearly knows
people who are, becuase several places in his books are named after
SCA groups.
--Yehoshua ben Haim
Shire of Beit Aryeh
peer...@hotmail.com
> There are also a fair number of much more obscure authors
> who are or have been in the SCA at some point. A lot will
> depend on what your cutoffs are for both "author" and "SCA
> member".
Well, here (in no particular order) are some more obscure and not so
obscure sf/fantasy authors who have participated (some more, some
less) in the SCA:
Jon deCles (Baron Jon deCles -- he used to be Don Studabaker, but
now goes by the name he used in the SCA. One of the actual founders of
the SCA, and a member of the first Board of Directors. "The
Particolored Unicorn")
Robert Plunkett (Master Thin Robert of Lawrence, Caid. "A
California Dreamer in King Henry's Court")
Roland Green (Roland de Tour Gris, Middle Kingdom. A bunch of
stuff.)
Robert Charette (Earl Leaghaire O Laverty, Atlantia. Author of
many interactive kid's sf/fantasy books)
Seth McEvoy (Middle Kingdom. Author of many interactive kid's
af/fantasy books. Last I knew, he was writing documentation for
Microsoft, which means he's still writing interactive fantasy.)
Thomas Fuller (Master Thomas Megatherium of Castle Leviathan,
called the Wordsmith, Meridies. Children's books, as well as stage and
radio scripts and shorter fiction for adults.)
[Ruth] Atanielle Noel (Mistress Atanielle Unesse, Caid. The
hilarious "The Dutchess of Kneedeep" and others.)
Katherine Blake pseud. Dorothy Heydt (Mistress Dorothea of
Caer-Myrddin, West, "The Interior Life". And you thought no one would
bust your cover!)
I remember meeting Lester and Evelyn del Rey (who called themselves
Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed at one of my first SCA
events. His official SCA name is Lester of Rive Rouge.)
D.C. Fontana (Mistress Miranda Douglas of Schiehallion, Caid, Star
Trek author) and for that matter, Joyce Muskat (Mistress Joan of
Crawfordsmuir, Caid, author of the memorable 3rd season show "The
Empath".) Karen Willson (whose SCA name I've forgotten -- or maybe
don't know, since I met her before she was in the SCA) has written a
number of sf/fantasy TV scripts too.
Teresa Edgerton (Morrigan Fitz-Raulf -- a number of fantasy novels)
"Jocelin Foxe", pseudonym of Linda Reames Fox and Joyce Cottrell
(Mistress Audelindis of Rheims and Mistess Caterina da Montecello. The
Wild Hunt series. You may also know them from their writings on
costume history and construction.)
Orson Scott Card has confessed to have participated in the SCA as
Friar Orison, in Atlantia, I think.
From the "depends on what you consider fantasy department":
prestidigitator and metaphysical debuker James Randi, who attended
early East Kingdom events, and (according to the East Kingdom
newsletter) once "put a curse" on school officials who refused to
allow the SCA to hold archery at a site.
Rumor hath that Raymond Feist and David Brin participated in the
Barony of Calafia in Caid, or at least hung around with people who
did. Wouldn't surprise me. Heard the same about Emma Bull (except the
Calafia part). Anyone have more information?
There are quite a few more SCA participants who have published
short fiction. A couple examples: Heather Rose Jones (Mistress
Tangwystl, West), Russ Garrison (Sir Gareth the Russell, Middle).
<zzzzzzttt> Oh, no -- my brain just fried! There's more, I promise
you, but I just don't remember.
Well, I said some would be obscure and some not so. I've pretty
much exhausted my memory at this, but maybe (in my copious spare time)
I can do a little research ...
-- Signy
Member of the SCA since before helms were required.
Dorothy J Heydt
<peer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Katherine Blake pseud. Dorothy Heydt (Mistress Dorothea of
>Caer-Myrddin, West, "The Interior Life". And you thought no one would
>bust your cover!)
No, I thought nobody was going to notice. Since we're at it,
_A Point of Honor_ under my own name also mentions the SCA.
> I remember meeting Lester and Evelyn del Rey (who called themselves
>Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed at one of my first SCA
>events. His official SCA name is Lester of Rive Rouge.)
No, Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed were L. Sprague
and Catherine deCamp, now both gone. Evelyn was Lester del Rey's
first wife; after she died he married Judy-Lynn Benjamin.
They're all gone too, but none of the del Reys were SCA so far as
I know.
Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West Albany, California
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Achbar ibn Ali
>Heather Rose Jones <heathe...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> A lot will
>> depend on what your cutoffs are for both "author" and "SCA
>> member"
> n the SCA:
>
> Jon deCles (Baron Jon deCles -- he used to be Don Studabaker, "The
>Particolored Unicorn")
> Robert Plunkett (Master Thin Robert of Lawrence, Caid. "A
>California Dreamer in King Henry's Court")
> Roland Green (Roland de Tour Gris, Middle Kingdom. A bunch of
>stuff.)
> Robert Charette (Earl Leaghaire O Laverty
> Seth McEvoy (Middle Kingdom. Author of many interactive kid's
>af/fantasy books.
> Thomas Fuller (Master Thomas Megatherium of Castle Leviathan,
>called the Wordsmith, Meridies.
> [Ruth] Atanielle Noel (Mistress Atanielle Unesse, Caid.
> Katherine Blake pseud. Dorothy Heydt (Mistress Dorothea of
>Caer-Myrddin, West,
> Lester and Evelyn del Rey (who called themselves
>Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed His official SCA name is Lester of Rive Rouge.)
> D.C. Fontana (Mistress Miranda Douglas of Schiehallion, Caid,
> Joyce Muskat (Mistress Joan of
>Crawfordsmuir, Caid,
> Teresa Edgerton (Morrigan Fitz-Raulf -- a number of fantasy novels)
> "Jocelin Foxe", pseudonym of Linda Reames Fox and Joyce Cottrell
>(Mistress Audelindis of Rheims and Mistess Caterina da Montecello.
>
>-- Signy
>Member of the SCA since before helms were required.
Thanks. These names will come in handy Big time. It is my hope to
have a fun and informing discussion of SCA authors while the fighting
and videos are being shown.
If I am lucky, the con would have one or two SCA authors. That
would and an extra spark to the Panel I hope. Once again, thanks
for the help.
Achbar
Lis
time travel to modern day get their information from websites of members in
the SCA (and frequently mention us in their books). I once had the
opportunity to consult on such a book. on the subject of viking food, after
I wrote to an author asking why she had cigarette-smoking vikings in one of
her books, as pointed out by a patron. Seems she was about to put potatoes
and squash in her next book in the series, and I was able to avert a tragedy
:)
Not sure what that says about us, but there you are. We publish a LOT of
information about history, and should be careful about what we publish,
because it lives on...
Let's not forget the late Poul Anderson and the late Marian Zimmer Bradley,
both SCAdians.
Aoife, former Librarian
"Kent" <Kent...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:cpWdnTWAX6m...@comcast.com...
> oh and in David Weber's Honor Harrington serios a major plot point in
> one book is based an Honor's grandfather being an SCA member and having
> taght her to use ancient weapons.
>
> Aelfraed
>
> Kent wrote:
>
> > Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about
> > Pennsic War.
> >
> > The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
> > Stashef (sp).
> >
> > there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
> > MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
> >
> > Aelfraed
Bronwynmgn
has published three fantasy novels at this point through a relatively small
company associated with Amazon.
And Thomas Gressman (Morgan of Caer Graeme of Aethelmearc) has had some books
published in the, I think, Mech War series? More sci-fi than I usually read,
so I can't remember if I've got the name right.
Brangwayna
WILLIAM DOWIE
"Dorothy J Heydt" <djh...@kithrup.com> wrote in message
news:HzBso...@kithrup.com...
> In article <a3f52b03.04061...@posting.google.com>,
> <peer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Katherine Blake pseud. Dorothy Heydt (Mistress Dorothea of
> >Caer-Myrddin, West, "The Interior Life". And you thought no one would
> >bust your cover!)
>
> No, I thought nobody was going to notice. Since we're at it,
> _A Point of Honor_ under my own name also mentions the SCA.
_A Point of Honor_ was a great book too. My lady and I both love it and
it's one of the few books I re-read every year.
--
Lord William fitzWilliam
Delftwood Baronial Heavy Weapons Champion
David B. Appleton
> "Cynthia Virtue" <cvi...@thibault.org> wrote in message
> news:xyydnTygKf9...@speakeasy.net...
> > Not a book, but _Knightriders_ is a cross between the SCA, a traveling
> > Ren Faire, and motorcycle jousting.
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082622/> I think it's worth seeing;
> > whether it's good or not is an open question.
>
> Ed Harris was fun, and it's an interesting movie, but it D R A G S O N A N
> D O N...
As did the events that took place in the SCA which helped inspire the movie.
Da'ud Bob ibn Briggs
Historical Drive-In Movie Critic
www.appletonstudios.com/movies1.htm
David B. Appleton
> D O N...
As did the events in the SCA which helped inspire the movie.
alejandr...@yahoo.com
> Steve Mesnick wrote:
> > Achbar ibn Ali wrote:
> >
> >> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> >> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> >> need more information.
> >
> >
Joanne Bertin (two novels: _The Last Dragonlord_ and _Dragon and
Phoenix_) was active in the SCA for a number of years in Dragonship
Haven (East Kingdom) under the name Morgana.
Alejandra
Sean Cleary
> Knight Fall (was Murder at the War) is written by an SCA member about
> Pennsic War.
>
> The SCA is mentioned as the basis of the society in the Warlock book by
> Stashef (sp).
>
> there are many famous authors amoung our founding members, including Ann
> MaCCAffrey (sp), Diana Paxton, Robert Asprin and others.
>
>
Kat Dyer
> Thomas Fuller (Master Thomas Megatherium of Castle Leviathan,
> called the Wordsmith, Meridies. Children's books, as well as stage and
> radio scripts and shorter fiction for adults.)
Master Thomas called the Wordsmith is no longer with us... here is the
song I wrote...
In Memoriam
"Master Thomas Megatherium of Castle Leviatan, OL called the Wordsmith
departed this life today, 21 November, 2002.
He is The Wordsmith; we will always hear his voice." - Cathal
We Will Always Hear His Voice
music & lyrics copyright 11-21-2001 Kathryn Dyer
Thomas the Wordsmith is gone
But his voice shall carry on
In hearts of women and men
Beyond border Meridian
Thomas the Wordsmith is gone
But we will always hear his voice
Lady Katrine Witan Runa
if anyone wants the tune... email me
Dorothy J Heydt
>Most modern "paperback" romance authors who write about vikings and their
>time travel to modern day get their information from websites of members in
>the SCA (and frequently mention us in their books). I once had the
>opportunity to consult on such a book. on the subject of viking food, after
>I wrote to an author asking why she had cigarette-smoking vikings in one of
>her books, as pointed out by a patron. Seems she was about to put potatoes
>and squash in her next book in the series, and I was able to avert a tragedy
>:)
>
>Not sure what that says about us, but there you are. We publish a LOT of
>information about history, and should be careful about what we publish,
>because it lives on...
>
>Let's not forget the late Poul Anderson and the late Marian Zimmer Bradley,
>both SCAdians.
In which context I should probably mention that Sir Bela rewrote
his early novel _The Broken Sword_ after he had spent a few years
actually fighting.
David Serhienko
> "Drew Nicholson" <anicho...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Qe2dnePkpcU...@comcast.com>...
>
>>Ed Harris was fun, and it's an interesting movie, but it D R A G S O N A N
>>D O N...
>
>
> As did the events in the SCA which helped inspire the movie.
Tease! He sets it up, and then... nothing. You can't just leave it at
that!
I'm (officially) new to the SCA, and would be interested in the tale
(even just the broad strokes).
DWS / Deykin
Cynthia Virtue
>> As did the events in the SCA which helped inspire the movie.
>
>
> Tease! He sets it up, and then... nothing. You can't just leave it at
> that!
>
> I'm (officially) new to the SCA, and would be interested in the tale
> (even just the broad strokes).
>
> DWS / Deykin
>
It's a good bet it's in the Florilegium, as it's been discussed maybe
every other year on the Rialto.
cv
Fynreswolf
>question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
>works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
>would like to do a Panel on this subject.
>
>
>
>Achbar
>
>
I won't mention any names but there is a very successful porn writer that is a
member of the SCA, I see them each year at Pennsic. Really a nice person.
Ld Terric
"a football game is poor use of a site
that has already been marked out so conveniently as a pistol range"
" Hunter"
Tony
news:a3f52b03.04061...@posting.google.com...
> D.C. Fontana (Mistress Miranda Douglas of Schiehallion, Caid, Star
> Trek author)
Well, if you're going to bring up DC Fontana, then you can't forget Bjo
Trimble (Mistress Flavia - don't know the rest), the lady credited with
"saving" Star Trek, as well as since then having written for the show, as
well as quite a bit of other works.
Lis
Aethelmearc) who recently wrote "On Broken Glass: Loving and Losing John
Gardner" about her period of engagement to (and the death of) Literary Icon
and noted Medievalist, John Gardner. Thornton is also a highly talented
poet and writer in her own right.
Aoife
<peer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a3f52b03.04061...@posting.google.com...
Lis
Aethelemarc, who is just plain Arak when he does Pennsic with is family
every year :)
Aoife
"Bronwynmgn" <bronw...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20040615082807...@mb-m22.aol.com...
Achbar ibn Ali
>Most modern "paperback" romance authors who write about vikings and their
>time travel to modern day get their information from websites of members in
>the SCA (and frequently mention us in their books). I once had the
>opportunity to consult on such a book. on the subject of viking food, after
>I wrote to an author asking why she had cigarette-smoking vikings in one of
>her books, as pointed out by a patron. Seems she was about to put potatoes
>and squash in her next book in the series, and I was able to avert a tragedy
>:)
ns.
>
>Aoife, former Librarian
Thanks My Lady, the above is not what i am looking for. I was
hoping to get information on SCA Members who have written Science
Fiction, Fantasy or Horror
Achbar
Mark S. Harris
No, not exactly. But interesting and a good reminder. Now that Aoife
mentions it, I do remember getting a number of questions, or outright
declarations, from folks using the Florilegium to do research for
historic novels.
Michael of Lost
"Achbar ibn Ali" <ach...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q...@4ax.com...
> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any
> works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
> would like to do a Panel on this subject.
>
>
>
> Achbar
The SCA was mentioned in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon as one of the
things the hacker character did. I can't remember his name at the moment...
randy waterhouse? No... It was a waterhouse, but I forget which.
YIS,
Michael of Lost
Michael of Lost
I ran into a Lord at an event a couple of months ago who recently published
a book. I forget his name or the name of the book. I keep meaning to look
it up. I believe he was the herald of the Shire of Montevale. You can find
his contact info here if I'm right:
http://www.montevale.eastkingdom.org/Officers.htm
YIS,
Michael of Lost
BellyKaat
>news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q...@4ax.com...
>> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
>> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
>> need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any
>> works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
>> would like to do a Panel on this subject.
>>
>>
>>
>> Achbar
Greetings!
"A Walk In the Garden" by Christopher L. Hannah, SCA-known-as Nicholas D'Orsay
MacDonald
Catraoine
Paige L. Damian
Theres also "The Darkness and The Damned" by Feral Von Halstern ( Master
Feral von Halstern, Kingmaker, of Barony Beyond the Mountain, East Kingdom)
Im sure I have others but cant think of any that havent been mentioned
already -
--
Paige Damian
Camelot Creations
www.camelotcreationsonline.com
Michael Grossberg
"David Serhienko" <david.s...@ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote in message
news:10cuejs...@corp.supernews.com...
post it here.
>contact me at geej...@earthlink.net, and I'll give you the whole rundown.
I was one of the
>ahh, "recipients" of what happened from some of the participants.
Gardr Gunnarsson(as the heralds pronounce it)
Barony of Settmour Swamp
P D RUSS
>time travel to modern day get their information from websites of members in
>the SCA (and frequently mention us in their books). I once had the
>opportunity to consult on such a book. on the subject of viking food, after
>I wrote to an author asking why she had cigarette-smoking vikings in one of
>her books,
LOL I think I would like to read the book just for the heck of it.
P D RUSS
>Larry Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy" specifically mentions the SCA as
>meeting in the Free Park so they could fight.
The SCA is also mentioned in the book "Fallen Angel" by Larry Niven, Jerry
Pournelle and Michael Flynn. The main jest of the book are 2 astronauts who are
standed on earth during a time of anti-technology movement and are helped to
safely by members of an underground science fiction convention and some SCA
members.
Tamara
Scott Pavelle
over the years. Who are the SCAdians with published works of nonfiction?
Brion Enkazi
Barony Marche Debatable Lands
Aethelmearc
David Cameron Staples
<gu...@youdontknow.org> in hoc locus scripsit:
Yes, it was Randall (Randy) Waterhouse. The SCA was mentioned as one of a
list of things he was involved in before he 'grew up', in the same context
as AD&D and Hanging Around In Comic Shops Not Getting Enough Sunlight. The
SCA just gets a short mention, then we're back to hardcore hacking.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
Ow! My Mythological Buttocks!
Harold Groot
If memory serves, the authors auctioned off some "you get to appear in
this book" opportunities at a fundraiser, so this is a bit of a
special case. They made the choice beforehand to set up the SF
"underground" and probably chose or invented the key figures
themselves, but accepted several real people in supporting roles
through the auctions.
Peter Grooby
spp...@worldnet.att.net says...
> Out of curiosity . . . I know that our ranks of "actual" scholars have grown
> over the years. Who are the SCAdians with published works of nonfiction?
>
fair number-cruncher who has knocked out the odd book or two.
Vitale
--
--
Remove pants from email address to reply.
David Serhienko
Rest of message wantonly paraphrased.
Drew Nicholson" wrote:
<paraphrase>Knightriders was fun, but dragged on and on.</paraphrase>
David B. Appleton wrote:
<quote>As did the events in the SCA which helped inspire the movie.</quote>
I wrote:
<petulant><paraphrase>OO! Tell me a story!</paraphrase></petulant>
Michael Grossberg wrote:
<paraphrase>Ok. But in private, ok?</paraphrase>
I wam writing:
<quote>Yah yah. Okey dokey</quote>
Thorfinn
>> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
>>question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I need
>>more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any works
>>of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I would
>>like to do a Panel on this subject.
>>
>>Achbar
hi
There are a few authors from Australia who have been in the SCA, both of
these were active at the beginning of Stormhold and Lochac.
Sean the Wayfarer (Sean McMullin) has several fantasy & science fiction
books published.
Firiel of the Greenwood (Kerry Greenwood) has some SF and many crime
books, which have featured on the cover photos of SCA members from here.
There are several others
Thorfinn
Diane Duane
> AND ...
>
> I can add Diane Duane to this list. I actually met her in the line at the
> Fruity Cobbler (Pennsic) several years ago .
>
> Lady Katheryne of Krings Keep
> who said "neat!" when Diane introduced herself, and then asked her about her
> period hat.
Um...
(a) How many years is "several"? If it's the last five or so, it
wasn't me you met.
(b) _What_ period hat?
(The only reason I ask is that I've had my identity thieved before.
[The last perpetrator was at the time also being sought by various
branches of military intelligence, and last I heard was still in jail,
various US jurisdictions having been fighting over who got her first.)
I have no memory of being at a Pennsic -- the only SCA experience I
readily recall has been on the West Coast, Califia-based LA events --
and the only hat I routinely wear is a Tilley.)
(That said: I did live in the Philly area for a good while, and may
have wandered into a Pennsic and forgotten about it. For which
apologies, if that's the case. But I'm still bemused about the hat.
If I was there, I may have been wearing someone else's.)
Best! -- Diane
---
Diane Duane / The Owl Springs Partnership
Co. Wicklow, Ireland / http://www.owlsprings.com
http://www.youngwizards.com | http://www.youngwizards.net
Todd Rich
(snip)
> Best! -- Diane
> ---
> Diane Duane / The Owl Springs Partnership
> Co. Wicklow, Ireland / http://www.owlsprings.com
> http://www.youngwizards.com | http://www.youngwizards.net
Since e-mail didn't look like it worked, I just wanted to say thank you
for some of the more enjoyable reading experiences I've had. Thanks!
Torin
Terri/Hrothny
> Since e-mail didn't look like it worked, I just wanted to say thank you
> for some of the more enjoyable reading experiences I've had. Thanks!
> Torin
And one or two (since my memory is failing) of the funniest episodes of
"DinoSaucers" (?) that I ever watched with my sons. They've memorized the
Yeti/Himalaya episode's repartee. And that lead them to Abbot and Costello.
I won't mention how old they are, but since they saw the show "just
released", you can see that you made a strong impression on non-readers too.
(I agree with Torin about the books, also)
Hrothny
David J. Hughes
Are you limiting this to "books" of nonfiction?
Or do you wish to include magazine articles, booklets, technical
journals, industry publications, academic publications (including such
things as doctoral theses), game instructions, poetry,.......
The list of nonfiction authors would include a large percentage of the
SCA.
POdonn5592
People Living Middle Ages Dreams" should be available by late fall.
I am a reporter for the Cleveland Plain Dealer who dabbled in the SCA and had
attended Pennsic before starting the book in 2001.
It is geared toward newbies to the group, people on the fringes and relatives
or friends who wonder just what it is that you do every weekend. I also hope
that descriptions of events - ones you may have heard about but have never
attended - and profiles of people you've heard about but never met will appeal
greatly to serious SCAdians.
For the book, I made armor, learned to fight and fought (poorly, I admit) at
Pennsic 30 with Legio Draconis for the Midrealm. Though I will not be including
descriptions of all of these events, I attended the following (and more) to
make sure I had a broad look at this group:
Gulf Wars, Lillies, Great Western War, Pennsic, Drachenwald's Double Wars
(2002), Grand Outlandish, an Atlantia University, Baron Durr's Hafla and
several Midrealm Universities, Coronations, and other events. I also watched
performances of the British reenactment groups Britannia, Regia Anglorum and
the Ermine Street Guard.
More details to come later.
- Mael Patraic macDomnaill/Barony of the Cleftlands/Midrealm
MKA Patrick O'Donnell/Cleveland, OH
Will Linden
>> I remember meeting Lester and Evelyn del Rey (who called themselves
>>Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed at one of my first SCA
>>events. His official SCA name is Lester of Rive Rouge.)
>No, Lester the Oppressor and Rachel the Oppressed were L. Sprague
>and Catherine deCamp, now both gone. Evelyn was Lester del Rey's
>first wife; after she died he married Judy-Lynn Benjamin.
>They're all gone too, but none of the del Reys were SCA so far as
>I know.
No, wrong, says the Oldest Surviving Inhabitant of the East. Lester and
Raqel certainly WERE the Del Reys, and ran a large early kingdom event in
Red Bank (RIVE ROUGE). I was there, and on numerous other occasions when
Lester was active.
--
Will Linden wli...@panix.com
http://www.ecben.net/
Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y
Kat Dyer
>
> Since e-mail didn't look like it worked, I just wanted to say thank you
> for some of the more enjoyable reading experiences I've had. Thanks!
> Torin
I'll second that, both for myself & my daughter... I had the great
pleasure of introducing my 10 yo to Diane Duane's work a few years back.
She's been snatching them up and rereading Ms. Duane's books with as
much relish as I do.
Kat
Lis
> No, wrong, says the Oldest Surviving Inhabitant of the East. Lester and
> Raqel certainly WERE the Del Reys, and ran a large early kingdom event in
> Red Bank (RIVE ROUGE). I was there, and on numerous other occasions when
> Lester was active.
>
that, as a teacher and former Library Director, that we have chosen a group
name that lives up to SCAdian AND Literary tradition.
Cheers
Aoife
Daem Aoife Finn of Ynos Mon
Lis
>
> I am a reporter for the Cleveland Plain Dealer who dabbled in the SCA and
had
> attended Pennsic before starting the book in 2001.
Congratualtions. You have managed to find the dream SCA job: one where you
HAVE to attend events, wars, and other revelries in order to be paid. I can
only imagine:
"Oops, sorry honey, I have to go off to work." Our Hero dons his helm, grabs
his baket hilted claymore, and clanks out the door....
I predict a rash of book proposals to publishers in the same vein in the
near future!
Aoife
Purple Kat
> >
> > I can add Diane Duane to this list. I actually met her in the line at the
> > Fruity Cobbler (Pennsic) several years ago .
> >
> > Lady Katheryne of Krings Keep
> > who said "neat!" when Diane introduced herself, and then asked her about her
> > period hat.
>
> Um...
>
> (a) How many years is "several"? If it's the last five or so, it
> wasn't me you met.
>
> (b) _What_ period hat?
Ummmm .... IIRC it was a nice lady approx 4' 8" to 5' 3" tall,
slightly 'fluffy', and wearing a 'Robin Hood' style hat with a Star
Trek pin on it.
As for several years ago - <casts back into foggy brain> Pennsic 26 to
29. That would be 1997 to 2000.
Was this you? or someone else?
Lady Katheryne
John Husvar
knifemaker, and now published author in the speculative fiction genre.
He has four or five books out now, starting with Freehold.
Diane Duane
> Ummmm .... IIRC it was a nice lady approx 4' 8" to 5' 3" tall,
> slightly 'fluffy', and wearing a 'Robin Hood' style hat with a Star
> Trek pin on it.
>
> As for several years ago - <casts back into foggy brain> Pennsic 26 to
> 29. That would be 1997 to 2000.
>
> Was this you? or someone else?
Absolutely someone else. And the height more or less matches the
height of the woman who was faking being me. I wonder...
Let me direct your attention to this old newsgroup post, archived on
Google:
-- which tells the "bare bones" form of the story as it was in 1989.
The fake was eventually caught and jailed (because of multiple credit
card frauds and identity thefts, including those of military
personnel). Oklahoma got her first, I think, and then Hawaii. Other
states were lined up waiting their turn -- she was a very busy
fraudster: I was more or less a sideline for her. (And so I found a
certain amount of poetic justice in that it was Trek fans who caught
her at last.) I have no idea whether this is the same person or not,
but there are some similarities.
In any case, it definitely wasn't me you met, as I haven't been to an
SCA event in easily fifteen-twenty years -- and I'm 5' 7" and about
130 pounds, whereas she is (or was) short and stocky. Also, alas,
there are very few hats that look good on me, and I'm afraid Robin
Hood hats wouldn't fall into that category.
But now I'm fascinated. What else did she say to you? Did she perhaps
tell you what she was working on? (The other fake used to love to do
this to people. I can't begin to tell you how many explanations I've
had to make regarding "projects" of hers that emphatically have never
been projects of mine.)
(If you prefer to take this to email, feel free. But I don't mind this
discussion taking place "out in public" if other people don't: the
more folks know there are people out there pretending to be me, the
more won't be taken in.) (Also -- please note the changed email
address above -- the "iol.ie" one is no longer valid, having finally
been closed down after years and years of attracting just too much
spam.)
Best -- Diane
Diane Duane
impersonation here:
Best! -- Diane
---
Diane Duane | The Owl Springs Partnership | County Wicklow, Ireland
http://www.owlsprings.com / http://www.youngwizards.com
Buzzholio
Ms Greenwood's book Whaleroad is set in a post-apocalyptic Australia
in which one of the surviving groups is obviously supposed to be an
SCA group
they are recreationists and mention 'garb' and several other
SCAdianisms including being led by a King. In the back of my copy she
gives a contact address for the SCA.
- Angus of Castellum Montanum (currently in exile in the northern
wastes of Lochac)
David Cameron Staples
(Buzzholio)) in hoc locus scripsit:
(What, Riverhaven?)
There is also mention of several people and groups with counterparts and
echoes in Stormhold society at the time of writing. Names and devices have
been changed to protect the innocent. (Basically, you need to know
Stormhold history and the Grand Old Personages fairly well to get most of
the references, and you probably need to be Kerry or in her immediate
circle of friends to get all of them. Also, not *all* characters are based
on real people. Kerry's teen's books are set in Post Apocalypse Victoria,
where Melbourne has been wiped out in the worldwide catastrophic failure
of a space-based 'defense' system, and the SCA set up a working society
down the coast to the southwest. What begin as the rules of a game become
over a generation the expression of civilisation and identity: both a
social structure which fits the new circumstances, and a marker of
'civilised' us vs. 'barbaric and chaotic' them. Which is not to say that
all who use the mediavalish structure are good and nice: one group splits
off to found a parallel and seperate 'state' with different priorities,
while other individuals go rogue and become pirates and brigands. People
are still people, and not all people are nice.
Go ahead, look for them on Amazon. You know you want to!
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
Quanti canicula illa est in fenestra?
Alex Clark
> In article <ebvyc.10803$uX2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Charlene Charette <neith...@northere.com> wrote:
> >Wasn't the SCA mentioned in Sharyn McCrumb's "Bimbos of the Death Sun"?
>
> No, it's mentioned in her _Highland Laddie Gone._ . . .
And if I recall correctly, in _Zombies of the Gene Pool_, one of the
fen who were in the slanshack is now in the SCA. But she's not one of
the big-name writer characters.
See also:
http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/biblio.html
--
Alex Clark/Henry of Maldon
". . . What's a troll among friends, except a Christmas song?"
- _Three Hearts and Three Lions_, by Poul Anderson
Achbar ibn Ali
wrote:
>And if I recall correctly, in _Zombies of the Gene Pool_, one of the
>fen who were in the slanshack is now in the SCA. But she's not one of
>the big-name writer characters.
>
>See also:
>
>http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/biblio.html
Thanks for this information.
Achbar
Purple Kat
> > As for several years ago - <casts back into foggy brain> Pennsic 26 to
> > 29. That would be 1997 to 2000.
> >
>
> But now I'm fascinated. What else did she say to you? Did she perhaps tell you what she was working on? (The other fake used to love to do this to people. I can't begin to tell you how many explanations I've had to make regarding "projects" of hers that emphatically have never been projects of mine.)
>
Well,, now you have me over hot coals. I usually Merchant at Pennsic
and this was IIRC the last few days of the event.
I was hot, tired, hungry, thirsty and low blood sugar (which for me is
usual by this time).
All I can remember through the fog of time was that we chatted about
her hat about the lemon shakes sold at the food stand and how hot it
was that year.
Not much about her newest 'projects'. But I usually just say 'cool'
when a 'Name' is talking to me. I figure they have enough to deal with
the real world - they are there to have fun and I will politely leave
their real life outside.
Although I do remember her being with someone (or was it someone was
watching over her?) all I can remember is that the second person was
female and wearning a long dress.
Sorry can't help much.
Too bad we can't get the records from when she filled out her entry
form....
Lady Katheryne
David W. James
Achbar ibn Ali <ach...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
> need more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any
> works of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I
> would like to do a Panel on this subject.
> Achbar
Emma Bull ("War for the Oaks", "Falcon", "Bonedance", etc., etc...)
once told me she had been active in the SCA several years ago, but
nothing even relatively recent (and this would have been back in the
early 90s). I don't recall the SCA showing up in any of her books, but
the fighting style used in some of the fighting scenes of the movie she
and Will Shetterly tried to make out of "War for the Oaks" certainly
looked like they had some SCA folk working with them.
David/Kwellend-Njal
aelfwina
"David Cameron Staples" <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.16....@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM...
> In Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:31:21 -0400, "Michael of Lost"
> <gu...@youdontknow.org> in hoc locus scripsit:
>
> >
> > "Achbar ibn Ali" <ach...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:ul5jc0pi2if1pgk8q...@4ax.com...
> >> We had a demo at a Science Fiction Convention last week. A
> >> question was asked about SCAdian authors and the SCA in fiction. I
need
> >> more information. If you know of any Authors in the SCA and any works
> >> of fiction mentioning the SCA, please contact me privately. I would
> >> like to do a Panel on this subject.
> >>
I am surprised that talking of SCAdian authors, no one has mentioned
Katherine Kurtz, who wrote the Deryni books, and Monica Pulver, whose
mystery series featured a police detective in the SCA, and whose first book
was actually a murder set at Pennsic. It was originally called "Murder at
the War", and then was released as "Knightfall" in paperback.
I believe she has since written other mysteries under another pen name, that
are strictly historical.
AElfwenna (who would *reallyreally* *love* to see another Peter Brichter
mystery!)
georg
> I am surprised that talking of SCAdian authors, no one has mentioned
> Katherine Kurtz, who wrote the Deryni books, and Monica Pulver, whose
> mystery series featured a police detective in the SCA, and whose first book
> was actually a murder set at Pennsic. It was originally called "Murder at
> the War", and then was released as "Knightfall" in paperback.
> I believe she has since written other mysteries under another pen name, that
> are strictly historical.
> AElfwenna (who would *reallyreally* *love* to see another Peter Brichter
> mystery!)
Monica Pulver's latest books are written under the name of Monica
Ferris, and they are a series of needlework mysteries, concerning a new
needlework shop owner in Minnesota. Titles include Crewel World, Framed
in Lace, and a bunch of others. Most focus on a particular type of
needlework, and of course a murder. They are very good, IMO. She even
polls rec.crafts.textiles.needlework for title suggestions.
-georg
Catriona
You may be thinking of the Sister Frevisse mysteries. Monica Pulver
Kuhfeld co-wrote the first six in the series with another SCA person,
who is mundanely Gail Frazer. Gail took over the series after the
first six, and now writes them alone.
The pen name for the Sister Frevisse mysteries is Margaret Frazer. The
"Margaret" comes from Monica Pulver's SCA persona, and the "Frazer"
comes from Gail Frazer's mundane name (she was/is Ailis in the SCA).
When I joined the SCA in Silfren Mere (Rochester, MN), Lady Ailis was
one of the mainstays of the group.
Catriona de Brynton
georg
No, I meant what I said as the same author being Monica Pulver and
Monica Ferris. But you are right that she is also Margaret Frazer.
Here's her home page:
http://monica-ferris.com/
It lists all of her pseudonyms. :) And even better, all of her books.
-georg
just another fan
Robert Uhl
>
> I am surprised that talking of SCAdian authors, no one has mentioned
Yes, including one in which a young boy is so happy to get his white
knight's belt. Ugh.
--
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For entertaining gas contamination I always liked concentrated sulphuric
acid and elemental iodine. The result of mixing these is a mixture of
gaseous iodine, hydrogen sulphide and sulphur dioxide, so it stinks,
stains everything, is poisonous and corrosive.
erilar
<aelf...@cableone.net> wrote:
> I am surprised that talking of SCAdian authors, no one has mentioned
> Katherine Kurtz, who wrote the Deryni books, and Monica Pulver, whose
> mystery series featured a police detective in the SCA, and whose first
> book
> was actually a murder set at Pennsic. It was originally called "Murder at
> the War", and then was released as "Knightfall" in paperback.
> I believe she has since written other mysteries under another pen name,
> that
> are strictly historical.
Monica Pulver and Gail Frazer became "Margaret Frazer" for the early
Dame Frevisse books which Gail continues on her own. The books really
evoke the time and place wen/where they are set and are good myteries.
--
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is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
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