Language/Offense
Garrloch
mistaken) and of the 19th century. A reference has been made to the
origins of that word from the Old German "ficken" meaning " to stick in".
( I can try to find the reference if anyone cares, but it might take some
time)
Gar...
rec.org.sca
Arval d'Espas Nord
> I don't know about the Ancient origins of the word 'Fuck,' but the word
> FUCK does stand for a phrase. Acronym, anagram, whatever the term is, I
> forget.
>
> F-orced
> U-nlawful
> C-arnal
> K-nowledge.
This is an example of what is called "folk etymology", i.e., an origin
invented for a word long after its origin, and widely believed to be true.
Another example is the belief that "Posh" originates in the acronym (yes,
that was the word you wanted) "Port Out, Starboard Home." That one is also
untrue; the steamship companies which might have used that phrase did not
come into existance until some time after the first recorded usage of the
word "posh."
If you wish to think of "fuck" as standing for that phrase, go right ahead;
but it has nothing to do with the origin or actual meaning of the word.
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James A Walker
FUCK does stand for a phrase. Acronym, anagram, whatever the term is, I
forget.
F-orced
U-nlawful
C-arnal
K-nowledge.
In essence, rape.
James Walker
my .02
RhonaapFin
"to plow" or 'to plant" i.e. in the instance of a field.
John [Francis] Stracke
Walker) wrote:
> I don't know about the Ancient origins of the word 'Fuck,' but the word
I've read it comes from Middle English "focken", meaning "to strike".
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John Groseclose
I've also heard it is "Fornication Under Consent (of the) King." I've yet
to see any supporting documentation for either definition.
bwah...@uoknor.edu
practice of knights and courtiers... but my sources have been known to ere in the
past. ;)
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Steven H Mesnick
a discussion on the etymology of the er, "F" word. I offer the following
relevant excerpts from Monograph 4.67 of "A Dictionary of Selected Synonyms
in the Principal Indo-European Languages":
4.67 HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE
Lat. futuere
It. fottere
Fr. foutre
Mod. Eng. fuck
Mod. High Ger. ficken
Mod. Eng. fuck (the most notorious "four-letter word", taboo even for the
New English Dictionary on Historical Principles), but quotable in print
from the early 16th cent....A much earlier date is evidenced by the name
John le Fucker quoted from 1278 AD. May be only a variant of Mid/Mod Eng
(esp. Scot.) fyke, fike "move restlessly, fidget" also "dally, flirt". Cf
Mod High Ger ficken with dialect. fucken....
Mod High Ger ficken "make quick movements to and fro, flick" earlier
"itch, scratch", vulgar sense quotable from 16th cent....
There's lots more....
Baron Steffan ap Cennydd, Pel Steve Mesnick
Towers/Carolingia/East Malden, MA, USA
GWRANDEWCH A' RHESWM!
Harriet Stetser
word"!
JG>> I don't know about the Ancient origins of the word <snip!>
JG>I've also heard it is "Fornication Under Consent (of the) King."
<snip>
The way *I* heard it many years ago (probably before most of you were
born!) was: Fornication - Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. The explanation
was that this acronym was used by the clerks in Medieval law courts in
keeping records of the cases heard -- (the acronym probably 'cause they
couldn't spell 'fornication' or 'knowledge', I betcha!)
Where's an SCA lawyer when ya *really* need one ! ? B-)
Eric Partridge's "A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English"
(7th Ed.) gives a fairly long treatise citing its history as related to
foreign *word* derivations, and indicating the printed use from
Shakespeare, Fletcher, Urquhart, etc. A small quote from Partridge:
"The efforts of James Joyce and D. H. Lawrence have not restored it to
its orig. dignified status." "dignified" ! ?! ! ?! B-}
'Queta de Reyes y M.
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R. W.Odlin
>The way *I* heard it many years ago (probably before most of you were
born!)
>was: Fornication - Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. The explanation was that
this
>acronym was used by the clerks in Medieval law courts in keeping records
of the
>cases heard -- (the acronym probably 'cause they couldn't spell
'fornication'
>or 'knowledge', I betcha!) Where's an SCA lawyer when ya *really* need one
! ?
>
DAVID RAZLER
'Quenta de Reyes, y M., Trimaris wrote:
HS>James Walker and John Groseclose, et al, have written regarding the "F
HS>word"!.....
Aleksandr the Traveller sends warm greatings to the author of this Mss., but
must retort, with concern and anger, use of the term "the F word."
Fuck is just a word, another word in the English language with a long,
long history, beginning as word in the Old Germanic branch of the
Indo-European family of languages, becoming a euphamism and then an
obscenity.
It is, as a word to be studied, harmless as a dead frog, or human, for
that matter, pinned to the dissection table for study and learning. It is
given power by those who grant it special honor, using a single capital
letter to represent it, deifying it, much as Jews who think the name of
their deity is "God" and insist on spelling it G-d though the Bible clearly
gives the deity two different names, neither of them related in any way to
the English word that has come to mean generic monotheistic deity. (The
Semetic languages aren't even Indo-European connected!)
Please steel yourself and use the term complete when discussing its
origins, and on other occasions, especially when in period.
Aleksandr the Traveller
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Harriet Stetser
JG>> I don't know about the Ancient origins of the word <snip!>
JG>I've also heard it is "Fornication Under Consent (of the) King."
<snip>
The way *I* heard it many years ago (probably before most of you were
born!) was: Fornication - Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. The explanation
was that this acronym was used by the clerks in Medieval law courts in
keeping records of the cases heard -- (the acronym probably 'cause they
couldn't spell 'fornication' or 'knowledge', I betcha!)
Lyle Gray
: James Walker and John Groseclose, et al, have written regarding the "F
: word"!
: JG>> I don't know about the Ancient origins of the word <snip!>
: JG>I've also heard it is "Fornication Under Consent (of the) King."
: <snip>
I once heard that it came from an Anglo-Saxon word that meant "to plow".
Lyle FitzWilliam
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Patricia Shanahan
In article <5017.14...@mercopus.com>, harriet...@mercopus.com (Harriet Stetser) writes:
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|> The way *I* heard it many years ago (probably before most of you were
|> born!) was: Fornication - Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. The explanation
|> was that this acronym was used by the clerks in Medieval law courts in
|> keeping records of the cases heard -- (the acronym probably 'cause they
|> couldn't spell 'fornication' or 'knowledge', I betcha!)
What language did clerks in medieval law courts write in?
(Agnes of Ilford thinks that most clerks she knows write in latin. A
few records might be kept in french.)
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Harriet Stetser
PS>What language did clerks in medieval law courts write in?
and added
PS>(Agnes of Ilford thinks that most clerks she knows write in
Latin. A few records might be kept in French.)
Agnes must know some of the same clerks many of us have met!
And, indeed I cannot imagine that the acronym anecdotes previously cited
for this particular 4-letter word would ever be used seriously as
"documentation" !! :-D However, I do think that word origins and
any attendant fables, legends, puns, etc., can be trivial fun - most
times not to be taken too seriously. I *think* that is what was intended
by those who submitted the acronyms . . .
'Queta
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